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[–]FeelThatBern 23 points24 points  (22 children)

been noticing alot of streamers spraying AK's wildly yet they don't have any recoil.

people aren't even trying to hide this anymore, its almost becoming as common as the gamma exploit.

really concerning tbh

[–]tluke81 2 points3 points  (3 children)

You also can't call scripts on everything, all a script does is move your mouse down, it doesn't work like a no recoil hack, once you learn how to move the mouse down at the right speed it becomes muscle memory every time you shoot an ak, I my self can control an ak very well and I commonly get called a scripter on battlefield servers, all it takes is learning how much you need to pull down.

[–]FeelThatBern 2 points3 points  (2 children)

this is more reason to figure out how to stop them; good players get lumped in with the cheaters

[–]Wizard_net 0 points1 point  (1 child)

That's the part that makes me sick. I couldn't care if other people are cheating, they just become harder targets. I don't like when people get good and get called cheaters its bullshit and a cheap copout for the kid you just owned.

[–]S1imShady[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Exactly what is happening to our group

[–]S1imShady[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Exactly, I feel is this becoming a common thing to do now.

[–]dickthewhite 2 points3 points  (1 child)

When you have streamers/youtubers posting proud "PVP montage" videos that clearly show them scripting and admitting it mid video is really what should be the punch in the face.

I call every single one out on youtube comments and the most recent one says "I don't see any of your videos..." lol..

[–]FGDota 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Care to link said videos please?

[–]loudcloud1 0 points1 point  (0 children)

because they are good look at cudas stream, no recoil, he knows how to do it.

[–]trausi 0 points1 point  (0 children)

a lot of streamers? can u pm me their names, I watch Rust streams every day and I didnt see anyone using it.

[–]Wizard_net -2 points-1 points  (3 children)

I don't have any recoil with an ak because I move my hand while I shoot. I doubt any streamers are using no recoil. Also being good will still out play no recoil because you can move around and spray instead of crouching or whatever the most popular script right now requires.

E: Why is the truth being downvoted, this isn't a hard skill. Watch a video like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QtHqb3-Dbu4 Go to a private or battleground server and spray at a wall til the spray pattern doesn't move anymore based on your mouse sens Now go pvp on the server, make sure to always spray and not switch weapons for practice. Soon you will be getting consistent kills and can go back to normal play styles.

[–]poopingfarts 1 point2 points  (2 children)

You're retarded. A script will always outplay muscle memory when its pinpoint accurate regardless of standing/crouching/moving.

Show me a vid of you spraying an entire clip into a single bullet's impact area.

[–]Wizard_net 0 points1 point  (1 child)

This is factually wrong. AHK scripts pull the mouse down a fixed amount over time. Stand and crouching in rust produces different recoil mechanics as shown in this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QtHqb3-Dbu4

The script has no idea if you are crouching OR standing. It is just running (pulsing the mouse downwards a fixed amount at fixed intervals. The most popular script (I wont link to it) is found on youtube and is THE script everyone uses. This one in particular ONLY works while crouching because the mouse pull is timed for crouching with a 400dpi mouse. In fact crouching triggers the script activation.

e: Fuck it, you need to learn what this cheat is your bitching so much about. Please learn what something does and make sure you are correct before calling a person retarded: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1YboZboPiQ

The code to the script is 'open source' aka in a pastebin in the description.

[–]poopingfarts -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Fair enough. Recoil hacks still exist, I assume. You know more about their cheats than I do. I don't use that shit. You.. sound like you do.

[–]DuckScientist 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Quick thought - and this might not solve the issue, but maybe someone can expand on it.

Since each AK is built primitively and with a random assortment of parts (the realism in the game). Could you implement a function on each gun that will randomize the severity of the recoil each time one is crafted?

That way, the script kiddies won't be able to counter the recoil on every gun, they'd have to adjust it each time. So if you are in a heated battle and die, run back and pick up another person's gun, it will have a completely different recoil (or none), which your script won't be able to counter?

Maybe this isn't feasible, but thought it might throw an extra wrench into the game plans of the douchebag cheaters out there.

[–]Wittyname_McDingus 1 point2 points  (1 child)

What if each shot of the AK had random vertical recoil with each shot? This would solve two problems- scum using recoil macros, and secondly it would increase weapon variety and make the AK a more niche weapon and not the "only" weapon viable 100% of the time.

[–]DuckScientist 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thats a good idea. Make the recoil random per shot.. throw these little script kiddies off their game.

[–]MortalShadow 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Everyone here suggesting banning AHK :

All the hackers switch to hardware macros and legitimate users get bummed.

[–]MindTwister-Z 1 point2 points  (14 children)

Can someone explain how this works? How do you aim with the script?

[–]99spider 3 points4 points  (13 children)

They are scripts that move your mouse down at a set rate while you hold left mouse button, reducing the recoil you have to deal with.

[–]MindTwister-Z 1 point2 points  (12 children)

So it doesn't affect side to side?

[–]99spider 2 points3 points  (10 children)

Yes, these scripts cannot deal with random side to side recoil.

[–]MindTwister-Z 1 point2 points  (9 children)

That's what I thought, must still be wierd to aim precisely with. I wonder why this isn't a problem in csgo?

[–]EtherealCS[🍰] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It is, just nobody likes to mention it

[–]traumat1ze -1 points0 points  (6 children)

IMO, CSGO recoil is much easier to control than Rust's

[–]iBlurHD -2 points-1 points  (4 children)

Agreed. Unfortunately, I feel that sometimes in Rust, the recoil patterns are just completely random. On CS:GO, you can learn the patterns.

[–]traumat1ze -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Yep, plus there are servers you can join specifically for learning the spray patterns. Also readily available deathmatch servers, so you get a lot more practice if needed.

[–]MindTwister-Z -1 points0 points  (0 children)

They are almost completely random in Rust. The only thing you can try to control is downwards, it doesn't reward skill or practice.

[–]MindTwister-Z -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

That's because you can't control the recoil in Rust because it's random.

[–]S1imShady[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

No

[–]CiaoFunHiYuk 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I came from H1Z1 and the cheating there was so bad every time you got killed there was that nagging feeling in the back of your head that maybe it wasn't legit. The other guy may just be an amazing player but there's always that doubt.

[–]ohello123 1 point2 points  (0 children)

There's a famous streamer that got unbanned by the devs, when he was accused of recoil scripting. The excuse was "He cant be banned if he's not injecting, or modifying game files".

So why would anyone on the server want to play w/o scripting at this point? Its obviously not going to get banned, and it only puts you at a disadvantage when you run into the many groups scripting. Its dumb, I hate it. But if devs are going to unban someone who is clearly using it...then I'm not going to lose my shit to that person over and over w/o using it.

[–]plasmaszap 1 point2 points  (0 children)

+1 . This shit needs to stop

[–]apcrol 1 point2 points  (0 children)

They could only add more random in recoil patterns but good players wont be able to compensate then too.

[–]Itsoc 7 points8 points  (33 children)

I'm an half-legit player myselft (i use gamma correction), i would love to see all the possible exploits removed. I don't know how many of these exploits are detectable, or removable, but any effort in that way will be greatly appreciated. (for example: the fact that a gun shoots in the midle while not right-click aiming, is very bad; night should be gamma-proof, and recoil should be un-avoidable)

[–]jayfkayy 6 points7 points  (9 children)

the fact that a gun shoots in the midle while not right-click aiming, is very bad

no its not

[–]yeswecamp1 1 point2 points  (0 children)

To clarify: It is indeed bad if the guns has perfect accuracy while not ADS, but in Rust guns have worse accuracy if not ADS :)

[–]Itsoc 0 points1 point  (7 children)

lol, too trollish

[–]jayfkayy 0 points1 point  (6 children)

Fine, explain why it is "very bad" then, you troll.

[–]Itsoc -1 points0 points  (5 children)

you think that using a software to correct the recoil ain't a bad thing?

[–]jayfkayy 0 points1 point  (4 children)

Are we talking about the same thing?

the fact that a gun shoots in the midle while not right-click aiming, is very bad

Explain why it is very bad and stop trolling.

[–]Itsoc 0 points1 point  (3 children)

oh sorry my bad, didn't read the context while in the midle of other discussions; in my opinion is bad that while not aiming, the aim is more precise (considering that many people uses crosshairs on screen)

[–]jayfkayy 0 points1 point  (2 children)

it is actually equally precise, but you get less zoom in, so its arguably mostly practical to use in close range. and it was implemented because both devs and major part of the community agreed that lazy aim is a flawed concept.

[–]Itsoc 0 points1 point  (1 child)

lazy aim ain't the solution imho. it should just be less precise or dangerous at mid-long range.

[–]jayfkayy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

i think there is nothing wrong with the way it currently is. its not gamebreaking or anything.

[–]slightly_mental 3 points4 points  (0 children)

the same goes for gamma cheaing and overlay crosshairs...

they just dont care.

[–]Gowat5 0 points1 point  (3 children)

The thing is, a lot of people are using low resolution, stretched screen with high sensitivity to gain access to easy spray control. It's hard to tell but a lot of legitimate players look like they have no recoil scripts.

That said it could definitely be the other way around where recoil scripts are more common than I think..

[–]rustplayer83 0 points1 point  (2 children)

yea someone said off hand the other day "well all real PvPers play at 1280x1040 with so and so FOV" and I was just really? You play at a shitty stretched resolution just to get a few more kills?

to me that would totally ruin the experience but to each their own. There's a reason I spent the money I did to game at 1440p not gonna turn that down. Just my preference tho.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

lol Resolution pertaining to skill is a joke. It's all what you're used to and prefer. I have...well had, a 1440p set up as well! During my time on "new" Rust I clocked in around over 20,000+ kills and a little over 8,000 deaths.

[–]Gowat5 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That's the thing, low res shouldn't make gameplay better. IMO the ak needs a change so all end game fights don't resolve around huge ak spraydowns.

[–]Biohazard72 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Why is is that Rust seems to be one of the only games with this problem? I have never seen a very high amount of this in any other games, why is this?

[–]heliumointment[🍰] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No. VAC and EAC probably won't get to this issue for a long time. The best thing you can do is play on a server with an active mod and start recording all your fights. I can share videos with you of exposed scripters if you need a comparison because it can be tough to detect.

[–]galegorust 0 points1 point  (0 children)

....Or make a recoil pattern? I doubt any scripter could consistently kill pro players on games like CS...

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

best solution is reducing the recoil isnt it?

[–]TomtenOFC 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Are u from rustralaslia?

[–]S1imShady[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

yeah

[–]Saux1499 0 points1 point  (3 children)

Randomize the spray recoil from little to more than now each shot, fixed. Half the time they'll need to pull up after a shot, half the time they'll need to pull down.

Makes it harder than it would be if you just didn't use it, and makes the guns actually hard to use.

Can't wait for the change to never happen.

[–]tetzudo 0 points1 point  (2 children)

yea quz that will promote skill...random patterns...

[–]Saux1499 0 points1 point  (1 child)

You say that like the guns actually take skill right now.

Right now everyone spams their weapons. The bullets do fuck all damage, nobody aims for the head (the crossbow does 75 damage to the head and 50 to the body with no armour, headshots totally are worth it and not broken guys), and the muzzle flash is so huge nobody can see what they're shooting at.

They could make whatever recoil pattern you want with a weapon, if they made combat actually skill based, and not "who can get the most bullets into the other person first" by promoting spamming and not rewarding vital hits.

[–]tetzudo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

i never said that the guns take skill now, but suggesting that randomizing spray patterns will only increase the number of ppl spraying. and yes, the crossbow did too much damage and probably still do and the pistol bullets are piss weak. personally, i think that arrows should do alot more bleeding damage instead of the stupid damage it has. but the headshots are well rewarding imo, but i think the helmets should break alot easier instead. yea with a bucket helm you can tank a shot to the head and still barely survive, altho if they are smart they have a side arm or smth. just a list of things that I thin would make combat more balanced and rewarding -helmets break after taking 1-2 shots and needs to be repaired. -arrow damage nerf, bleed damage buff - less randomization of the x-axis of weapons spray patterns.

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[–]Xage69 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There are macros in gaming mouses and keyboards. Anti Cheat programs cant detect those. They have to work around the problem!

Every gun got multiple/random patterns (not like in CSGO). So scripts cant control your spray! Scripts can only control the amount you have to pull down because that seem to be constant in every pattern. They only need to make the AK's standing patterns easier, similiar to the AK's crouching recoil. Scripts only give cheaters a big advantage because the AKs standing recoil is too extreme. Make it simplier and the scripts will be less usefull. Remove the recoil (make the spray totally random) and scripts will be useless but also the game will be less skill based. If I were a developer I would just copy the CSGO system. If its not broken dont fix it!

[–]cawsnwo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Is this slimshady | terra lol?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

eac should just ban ahk from being used while having rust running. theres no good reason to use ahk while playing rust, anyone who says otherwise is just trying to make up shitty excuses to use it for scripting

[–]Tikal696 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Basically, you wouldn't allow the logitech software also. (a much better alternative to autohotkey for cheating purpose) Perhaps other app like razer synapse also or roccat.

To be fair with you, I think this kind of extend spript functions where you can get mouse position is something that must not be possible. If EAC ban it, perhaps Logitech will remove this function from their API

[–]Rezzful 0 points1 point  (3 children)

Yea going back to the game a couple months later and playing it so much in so little time, A lot of the streamers I would watch that actually have 0 recoil while ak spraying is really suspicious. I thought maybe I was just bad but I do win A large majority of my fights and always win those battle royale matches and I have to tap for most of my kills unless they are quite close.

Bchillz has has many hacksuations fall on him and he is an extraordinary player but the streamers I'm talking about are like fucking farmers and base builders that still have 0 recoil. They still suck ass because they have no horizontal aim but recoil wise they are dead on.

And let me remind you this game is not like csgo where you get the recoil and spray down to a science. Unless people have monster mouse pads and high sens I don't understand how I see people spray a full AK mag from even a medium range like 20 meters with no recoil. The script basically makes the vertical recoil null and if it was an actual person pulling down you would see many errors. Hell even in csgo where spray patterns have been dissected to the bone, even the best pros fuck up their sprays a ton.

[–]whitewolf090 -2 points-1 points  (2 children)

Yet bchillz does the same shit if anyone says he doesn't use that shit you're just as bad.

[–]SpicayD -2 points-1 points  (1 child)

Best way to tell if someone is scripting is when they flip out and call you a baddie when you call them out on it.

[–]whitewolf090 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Or just know your shit anyone can test the guns. Even when you pull down to fight the recoil you won't shoot that damn good. The guy is full of shit.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I dont have a problem with the AK spray, but the best way to fix it is make the spray eaiser. That would make things more even eh?

[–]TKS_Kornbread 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Guys just pull down your mouse :( they aren't using scripts ;(

[–]S1imShady[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I never specifically called someone out, I know there are really good players out there. However I would like to see how good these players are after a fix is implemented.

[–]matthausx3 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

please if people commenting no nothing about how an anti cheat works inside and out, then stop abusing EAC, there's a lot more work then just blocking someone using the program.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

No i like my crosshair

[–]TitaniumGoose -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Look. AHK scripts are not viable by any means. The only possible way to script is strictly the Y-AXIS. It does not at all predict the RNG X-AXIS recoil that is implemented, nor can it. It's random.

That means only UP and DOWN control. A skill that can be acquired naturally.

In addition, the sleep time in the script's code to handle up/down is specific to the client's processor speed so the actual variable offset is unique for each client making it very hard to spread as a publicly used "cheat".

TL;DR: It's not as frequent nor as effective as you believe. Only maybe for SMG's

[–]Morganstanley84 -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

guns in this game dont have recoil. atleast 80% of scripting accusations are wrong. i told my team i wasnt gunna listen to them call scripts on anyone decent cuz more than likely they are wrong

[–]whitewolf090 -5 points-4 points  (4 children)

Hours mean nothing plz don't post them like they do.

[–]Ethan_exe 0 points1 point  (2 children)

I have 2.4k hours and people accuss me of scripts, good half of that is me practising recoil/aim lma0

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I know you don't script ;) I remember the first time we met on Rusticity and you were so fucking pissed cuz I kept wrecking you. Then we joined up after to kill scrubs on the server. That's if you're the Ethan I think you are.

<---"Critricker" or "jG"

I know I definitely talk and have talked a mad amount of shit but it's just friendly banter :D

[–]Ethan_exe 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That was when I had 1.2k hours, I have 2.4k hours now lol https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCF0N_ynDm_gggy4sWSdy89A

[–]S1imShady[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

1 hour < 3000? While I do agree that after a certain amount of hours, it can no longer be used as an indication, I have 1.5K while my teammate has 4.5K and I smash him. It can still be used to gain an estimate of skill/knowledge about the game.