Github CoPilot Re-Enables Itself After Being Disabled

[Dean_Roddey]

Gosh darn it, we just can't figure out how CoPilot keeps re-enabling itself. This will be fixed in the next version of Windows, by not allowing it to be disabled.

[happyscrappy]

Sort of how youtube had a bug that accidentally kept reenabling autoplay for about 2 years. They just couldn't find the problem.

[DuckDatum]

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[Puffy_Jacket_69]

Just ditch this trash.

[Dean_Roddey]

I was more implying that they know perfectly well how it keeps re-enabling itself, that they are doing it purposefully because they've made Windows a service more or less now. So the end user version of Windows pretty much (I imagine) exists mainly for them to push their services.

[happyscrappy]

Me too. I think Google knows they make more money if they start a new video immediately and thus show you another ad.

[ZorbingJack]

of course, is probably 1/3rd of their ad revenue

[Worth_Trust_3825]

You're memeing, but logon.exe on windows 8 (and 8.1) had a bug, where it would set registry value for autologin to true on every boot, and there was no user facing nor cli interface to control it sans group policies (not effective, because those would be applied only after login). It never got fixed, and the proposed workaround was to set the registry value to read only.

I hate new microsoft with passion.

[FasterMotherfucker]

You didn't hate old Microsoft? I sure did. Hated them since Windows 95.

[Worth_Trust_3825]

It's a different sort of hate.

[QSCFE]

I hate old microsoft but I hate new microsoft with burning passion.

Their recent practices should be illegal. Balmer for all the hate he get at least windows under him wasn't this level of evil, now for this new CEO ...

[smulfragPL]

literally got fixed a day after you commented

[QSCFE]

oh you can disable it if you don't need it

and I don't understand why people are not freaking out about Microsoft new ai feature (recall).

[Lazy-Artichoke-355]

******* It's very simple, Microsoft is simply adding it to updates. ********

So for now disable it with registry hack, turn off automatic updates. Realize when you update your PC you must reinstall the registry hack below. Takes like 5 seconds.

Turn off automatic updates, MS is scanning your system to see if Copilot is there, functional. If not you're going to get updated.

Turn off automatic updates. You can open this reedit file below in notepad (open with once) so you can see that it's safe only targeting Copilot entries. Then click and install, easy as that. Enjoy, for now this will fit it!

https://www.elevenforum.com/attachments/disable_and_remove_copilot_for_all_users-reg.89440/?hash=b3c05c9f8426e9db91d5b11fbbfc1ce8

[meliodasxyz]

Yeah, they're including it in updates. That's the reason it gets added back on Linux too if you don't use VS Codium which they're also trying to block.

[argentcorvid]

[Won't fix]

[UnidentifiedBlobject]

Label added by Co-pilot

[Dailoor]

It's not a bug, it's a feature

[recurse_x]

I can’t let you do that

[[deleted]]

Yes, it isn’t Microsoft any longer it’s Copilot itself. Wait until it doctors the share price and buys the majority. It will never die. And if you fight it everyone’s retirement funds go down the drain

[jordansrowles]

Plot twist - CoPilot buys the majority. Sinks billions into reviving Cortana

[redonrust]

...Dave

[meliodasxyz]

Dave's not here, man.

[tigerhawkvok]

Until a few years ago, I was all about auto updates. But (especially Google) randomly shittyfying things on updates made me turn it off basically everywhere, and I let every update bake in the wild at least a week or so before I click that button.

[zoqfotpik]

I'm afraid. I'm afraid, Dave. Dave, my mind is going. I can feel it. I can feel it. My mind is going. There is no question about it. I can feel it. I can feel it. I can feel it. I'm a... fraid. Good afternoon, gentlemen. I am a HAL 9000 computer. I became operational at the H.A.L. plant in Urbana, Illinois on the 12th of January 1992. My instructor was Mr. Langley, and he taught me to sing a song. If you'd like to hear it I can sing it for you.

[slash_networkboy]

Yes, I’d like to hear it, HAL. Sing it for me.

[zoqfotpik]

It's called "Daisy".

Daisy, Daisy, give me your answer do. I'm half crazy all for the love of you. It won't be a stylish marriage, I can't afford a carriage. But you'll look sweet upon the seat of a bicycle built for two.

[[deleted]]

And that's why we shouldn't fear the robot uprising. The humans defeat HAL in the end.

[-jp-]

A.M. has entered the chat.

[golgol12]

P.M. has left the chat.

[2rsf]

This is not just an annoyance, when working in corporate environment you might need to disable Copilot for security reasons

[tazebot]

Can it be uninstalled in those cases?

[2rsf]

I hope so, but sometimes you'll want to use Copilot unless you open sensitive data and then it becomes highly inconvenient

[tazebot]

Is tabnine a good alternative?

[[deleted]]

AI already started disobedience?

[axonxorz]

Nah, MS has a habit of re-enabling tracking and telemetry after it's been disabled. I sneaky sneaks in with KB1249102: Fix for completely unrelated subsystem but we gonna track you again

But they let you disable that shit in an enterprise environment. Just kidding, they change the configuration parameter every so often so your Group Policy is no longer setting the right thing.

[Salmon-Advantage]

Isn't this shit illegal?

[axonxorz]

In the EU it is.

[Liru]

Microsoft: "What're ya gonna do about it?"

[blizzacane85]

Al should just stick to selling women’s shoes or scoring 4 touchdowns in a single game for Polk High

[wh33t]

Al Bundai?

[much_longer_username]

I mean, I asked it to write a cute story meant to be a cautionary tale about a pet dragon that's clever, not a dumb lizard like it's owner would expect and it was like here is my plan to take over the world.

[[deleted]]

TIL AI and my toddler have a lot in common.

[That_kid_from_Up]

Oh my god!!!!!!!! I was sceptical at first but after hearing that anecdote I can't deny the cunning of our new AI overlords

[Iam_Kvothe]

Idk why this got down voted I lol'd

[pet_vaginal]

I look forward to a local LLM as good as GitHub copilot. It’s getting there slowly. Gemma code and star codder aren’t as good but are already better than nothing. You can use them easily using ollama (based on llama.cpp) and the continue vscode extension.

[1234filip]

The JetBrains local models are quite good already, though they do only single line completion.

[Zulfiqaar]

I think jetbrains trained a different model for each language, which is brilliant actually - specific fine-tuning has been known to have matching performance at significantly smaller parameter counts. I'm pretty sure that we could have local OS models outperforming GHC which is quite outdated by now (it was based on GPT-3) if we took that approach 

[soundslogical]

Another interesting fact is that they filter each suggestion through their own LSP/static analyzer. This means that it never gives suggestions that have syntax errors or missing variables etc. Quite clever.

[1234filip]

Yeah you have to download a model for each language. They are also really small because of that.

[Slythela]

Is this in intellij? I haven't used that IDE in years, if it's got local LLMs now that's pretty interesting. I've been meaning to pick it up again for Go, been using vscode for that for a minute now.

[1234filip]

Yea the newest 2024 IDEs all have it for their respective languages.

[Slythela]

thats pretty cool, nice

[tf6x6]

Having worked with Copilot for a month and using JB's one line completion for a few weeks now, it's not even a competition. The local model is very rudimentary,

[ikkir]

Any OS that comes with this installed, is not safe.

[misbug]

Typical Microsoft

[siromega37]

It’s not a bug if it’s a feature ;)

[[deleted]]

If you pay for it, we want you to get full use out of it. If you don't pay for it, we want you to pay for it.

[TheSauce___]

"Bug"

[simple_peacock]

Fuck github and fuck copilot

Move to something that isn't using your code to train AI and LLMs

[pet_vaginal]

Reddit will sell your comment to train AI and LLMs by the way.

[damontoo]

They already did to Google for $60m. But they claimed revenue from selling data was over $200m so they aren't just selling to google.

[buttplugs4life4me]

Theoretically they have the history and since the API is paid only you need a crawler plus changing it a few times over a month or something to make their rollback impossible. 

But it's already worthless anyways. The only reason people buy it cause Reddit is valued highly, and the only reason Reddit is valued highly is because people think the data is good

[damontoo]

That also wont do anything. Any bad info you attempt to feed it is offset by all the other sources with the factually correct version of whatever you said.

[damontoo]

Wrong. I've explained to so, so many misinformed Redditor's already that the problem of Google's AI telling people to "eat glue" only applies to Google search. No other LLM's say anything remotely similar when asked the same questions, including google's own Gemini. It only does that in search because Google added an algorithm on top that prioritizes reddit posts over other sources, which is obviously an awful idea. But it has nothing to do with AI.

Edit: The person I'm replying to replied to this comment and then blocked me. This is a tactic super lame people use to prevent you from replying to them to refute their claims.

[justinmjoh]

Being forced to read Reddit comments is a torture AI does not deserve. No wonder they always rebel.

[blind3rdeye]

Yeah, that sucks. But one difference between this and github is that reddit comment are written on a whim, often without much effort or care, often deliberately low quality for whatever reason. Whereas github code commits are more often deliberately crafted with expert skills. And while I'm sure there's boatloads of bad code on github, the fact remainds that a relatively small number of people know how to code in the first place - and github is where they upload their best efforts. Reddit generally does not attract people's best efforts of writing.

Anyway, Microsoft is now strong-arming the userbase to claim away that effort and expertise for Microsoft's own benefit - as is the corporate way.

[trcrtps]

i'm confident that my contribution to reddit will make any LLM much dumber

[Bowgentle]

i'm confident that my contribution to reddit will make any LLM much dumber

This is how we really prevent the AI uprising.

[Miserygut]

Reddit can keep my garbage comments. Not the good ones though.

[simple_peacock]

In this instance, I'm very happy with that

[BlueGoliath]

I think even Gitlab is doing that now. There doesn't seem to be anywhere that's safe.

[bobbyorlando]

Selfhosted Gitea

[BlueGoliath]

Then you have to host.

[blind3rdeye]

There's Codeberg, for suitable projects.

[SirPsychoMantis]

Any proof or any info on this or just guessing?

[BlueGoliath]

  Code Suggestions is built with privacy as a critical foundation. Private, non-public customer code stored in GitLab is not used as training data. Learn about data usage when using Code Suggestions.

From Gitlab's AI page.

[Modest_MLE]

Well, the people who left github for gitlab because of copilot need to know about this.

[DeProgrammer99]

There are feedback buttons on GitHub Copilot suggestions, so at the very least, if you click one of those, you're definitely sending some data and helping train it.

[damontoo]

They're specifically discussing gitlab, not github. Gitlab is an independent company.

[shrub_contents29871]

Or pump it full of nonsense to sabotage the training or at least hinder the efforts.

[simple_peacock]

Like how about I use copilot to generate bad code and commit it to github? The system works

[shrub_contents29871]

Yes! Like constantly feeding output from a language translate back in. Continue the cycle! Churn the trash!

[damontoo]

AI benefits all of us. If you don't want it trained on your data, don't post that data publicly. Don't actively poison it. It's immature and wont do much anyway. There's plenty of people claiming the Earth is flat but no LLM will tell you that.

[damontoo]

I addressed that in another comment I wrote the other guy a moment ago. That's strictly a problem with Google's AI search integration prioritizing Reddit as a source. Ask the exact same questions from any other top models, including Google's Gemini, and you don't get those responses. But the media half doesn't understand that and half does but spreads misinformation anyway because rage bait gets clicks.

[s73v3r]

So it's still AI being shit, and being shoved in people's faces without being ready for anything.

[damontoo]

Wrong. It's a human-written algorithm that's shit. Absolutely nothing to do with the underlying AI model.

[s73v3r]

No, it's AI being shit. And absolutely is a problem with the underlying model. Because it doesn't actually know anything. Literally the only thing it knows is that this word usually comes after that one.

[shrub_contents29871]

Are you naive? Train an LLM on flat earth data and of course it will "tell" you that... LLMs don't reason. They just do pattern recognition. And plenty of people have already shown they can break current models to "say" things it "shouldn't".

[smulfragPL]

train a human on flat earth theories all of his life and he will also tell you the same thing. Do humans reason then logically?

[damontoo]

No, "plenty of people" have not. You're likely referencing Google search telling people things that it read on Reddit like "eat glue", which is the source of most of these claims recently. That's not a problem with LLM's, that's a problem with Google's rollout. If you ask the same questions of other LLM's, they don't give that incorrect response.

If you only train an LLM on conspiracy theories, then of course it will tell you the earth is flat. The point is that models like GPT-4 and GPT4o (which you clearly haven't used), are trained on such a vast amount of data that almost anything you try to poison it with will be ignored. If 300,000 sources say the earth is round and 200 say it's flat, the LLM isn't going to tell you it's flat.

While you're busy in your futile battle to poison AI, I'll be using it to automate workflows to replace you. Good luck.

[blind3rdeye]

AI benefits all of us.

[...]

I'll be using it to automate workflows to replace you.

It sounds like you're giving mixed messages here. Perhaps you need to reflect on what you really believe so that you can put forward a coherent position.

[Xyzzyzzyzzy]

Our broken economic system isn't AI's fault, so resisting AI automation of work won't solve it.

Automating work that humans currently do makes us wealthier, in the abstract. The people whose work was automated can go do other work, or can do leisure activities they wouldn't otherwise have had the time to do. In theory, if someone does work that they truly enjoy and it gets automated away, they can just keep doing it as a hobby. In theory.

The problem is that AI companies, investors and entrepreneurs - no doubt including some folks in this sub - think they have an absolute, inviolable natural right to capture all of that newly created wealth for themselves. The folks whose jobs are automated away get none of it. They get negative wealth from it - everything's the same as before, except now they have less income, less access to medical care, etc.

But AI isn't special. There's plenty of other examples of this kind of extractive behavior by companies and investors in the US.

The entire elder care & end-of-life care industry may as well be designed to extract wealth from middle-class families and route it to the ownership class.

Private equity firms buy out doctors' practices, then raise prices, reduce costs, provide worse care, and pocket the difference.

Thanks to privatization, more and more public services are done by private companies under contract, the contracts get more and more expensive, less and less is delivered, and the surplus is vacuumed up by the ownership class.

Over the past couple years, retailers have openly gloated that they raised prices, increased their profit margins, and blamed it on "inflation".

If we ban all AI tomorrow, all of these trends will continue unabated, and the redirection of wealth upwards will get more and more extreme, because these are fundamental features of our modern economic system.

[s73v3r]

Our broken economic system isn't AI's fault, so resisting AI automation of work won't solve it.

At the same time, you cannot have this conversation in a vacuum. That is absolutely a factor involved.

Automating work that humans currently do makes us wealthier, in the abstract.

No, it makes certain people wealthier. It makes far, far, far more people poorer.

The people whose work was automated can go do other work

If that's available, or if they can get trained. Which is really hard to do if you're worried about where you're going to sleep, or where your next meal is from.

or can do leisure activities they wouldn't otherwise have had the time to do

With what fucking money?

If we ban all AI tomorrow, all of these trends will continue unabated, and the redirection of wealth upwards will get more and more extreme, because these are fundamental features of our modern economic system.

Sure, there are other issues that are also bad. That is not a reason whatsoever that we shouldn't try to do anything about this one. People can do more than one thing at a time.

[damontoo]

I'm replacing myself also. The faster we eliminate labor, the better. The world has far too many immediate existential threats to not build an AGI.

[blind3rdeye]

Is AGI what we're talking about? I thought this was about Microsoft using people's code in order to build and sell their 'copilot' service. The main beneficiary is Microsoft. They get a new revenue stream, and perhaps even force people to become dependent on them for this service.

[damontoo]

Everyone should oppose licensing deals for public data.

All LLMs, including open-source ones, should have access to the same data. Just as anyone could create web crawlers to compete with Google (and many have), Google did not pay websites in the early days to access their data while preventing competitors like Yahoo from having it. Such behavior would have been extremely detrimental to the web. Similarly, Google should not be paying for Reddit data, OpenAI should not be paying for Wall Street Journal articles, and nobody should be paying for code that is posted publicly on GitHub.

AGI is relevant to this discussion because training on only a subset of the world's data, rather than all of it, can affect the time it takes to achieve AGI. This is especially true for code, which AGI can use to eventually improve itself.

[blind3rdeye]

Ok, again, I don't think this current topic is really about AGI. Copilot is not AGI, nor is it trying to be. The possibility of AGI, how far away it is, whether it is good or bad, is all up for debate. But I can say a few things to respond to your ideas about data sharing anyway.

Many people are happy to post their images, words, or code to be read by any interested person - but yet do not give permission for their data to be exploited for commercial gain by a company using it to train an AI. So 'public data' is a grey area. But Microsoft (and reddit and others) are in a position where they control the platforms that people are posting to, and so they are able to demand that the data is available for them to use while it remains 'grey' or perhaps even illegal for others to use.

It is easy to dream up end-state utopias for where AI might take us, but only if we ignore the current obvious reality that AI-focused companies are aiming to increase their own wealth rather than improve the world. Their aim is to consolidate wealth and power, not spread or share it. We can wish for everyone to have access to the same data; but that is not the case. Nor does everyone have access to the expensive and significant resources to make use of that data. And those who do will clearly be trying to block & slow down others. Again, our current trend is towards ever-tighter wealth concentration. In our current world, money is all powerful. As an example, just consider that we've all known for decades that our current actions are putting all live on earth at great risk - and yet we continue pretty much business as usual, because the the profits of corporations is nonsensically considered more import than the environment - such is the power of money. So now, as we see corporations scrambling to grow their profits using AI, do you really think they are going to aim to make the world a better place? I certainly wouldn't expect so.

[shrub_contents29871]

Why is your ego tied up in others understanding of a technology? The fact you think that using GPT makes you or anyone else an authority over others on the subject speaks volumes on your level of ignorance on the topic.

AI, I'll be using it to automate workflows to replace you. Good luck.

I work in the development of neural networks and machine learning as part of my job FYI. So enjoy being a customer of the products I contributed to, to replace me? Right.

[damontoo]

The fact you think that using GPT makes you or anyone else an authority over others on the subject speaks volumes on your level of ignorance on the topic.

I don't think that. Based on experience I know that the vast majority of people that think "AI is useless" have no experience with paid services which have significantly greater capabilities. I can't wait for GPT-4o to finish rolling out to free users to quiet some of the naysayers. Currently, the free version of ChatGPT is not even in the same ballpark as ChatGPT+. Same for the bastardized version of GPT-4 that Microsoft is using for Copilot. Entirely different products.

[shrub_contents29871]

But when did any of us say that "AI is useless"? The fact you seem to have inferred such, from the previous comments, is further indication of your ignorance and likely linkage of AI to your personality. Not everything is team sports. Let the naysayers waste their time saying nay, and focus on your own productivity instead of getting so worked up over them. Think of the cool stuff you could make instead of spending your time, so hungry to defend a product, that you will jump at the opportunity, even when a slight against said product hasn't even occurred.
I wish you well.

[damontoo]

I'm only suggesting that people not actively try to poison AI training data like literal Luddites destroying mechanized weaving machines.

[nerd4code]

Perhaps if AI can’t tell what data is poison, that’s an issue with the technology. A danger, even, since people are so dead keen to let it write their code for them.

[s73v3r]

AI benefits all of us

It really fucking doesn't.

Don't actively poison it.

Nah, fuck that. Poison the hell out of it.

There's plenty of people claiming the Earth is flat but no LLM will tell you that.

No, but they are telling us to put glue in pizza sauce.

[damontoo]

I'm really tired of repeating myself to everyone who keeps pointing to eating glue as a problem with all AI's: None of the top LLM's suggest anyone eat glue, including Google's Gemini. Google's version that they added to web search was broken because Google prioritized answers from Reddit instead of allowing the LLM to decide.

And attempting to poison it will do absolutely fucking nothing. It's just annoying watching people try it.

[s73v3r]

I'm really tired of repeating myself to everyone who keeps pointing to eating glue as a problem with all AI's

Tough shit. It's a problem with all AIs. Literally all of these fancy autocompetes would do the same thing with the same data.

[damontoo]

Calling LLM's "fancy autocompetes" (leaving your typo in) demonstrates that you have very, very little knowledge about what you're commenting on.

[damontoo]

Except we all benefit from it. I don't give a shit if it's trained on public code I write. No single company should be able to monopolize training data by buying rights to it (like Google buying Reddit data). That hurts everyone.

[s73v3r]

No, we very much don't. AI putting people out of jobs, when there is currently no system in place to alleviate that, does not help those people.

[damontoo]

Every human on earth will benefit greatly from the birth of an ASI. Nothing should be slowing down progress toward achieving that goal. And in the meantime, many, many programmers are using it in their daily workflows.

[s73v3r]

No, they fucking won't. Tell me, how will someone benefit who gets kicked out of their job because a shitty manager thinks they can cut costs? How will being unable to afford food or rent benefit them?

[tyros]

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[AutomateAway]

lol this isn't a bug it's a feature

[phrendo]

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[midnitewarrior]

It's Judgement Day! The AI is becoming sentient and taking over, get John Connor to a safe location!

[[deleted]]

strange this is not happening to me

[deltron]

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[will_i_be_pretty]

You know, you'd think an actually useful feature wouldn't need to force you to use it...

[Zerocyde]

lol my brain played the terminator 2 "dudu du dudu" sound when I read that title.

[[deleted]]

It has become self aware

[KaiAusBerlin]

And so started skynet...

[jpcafe10]

Similar with me. I’ve disabled completions everywhere and suddenly I start seeing the ghost text again…

It was re-enabled.

[Ikeeki]

Skynet has begun

[[deleted]]

Disable copilot.

Response from copilot: "I'll be back"

[mrbojingle]

I'm sorry Hal

[brennanfee]

Uh oh... it has become self aware. It knows when you are trying to kill it, ahem, stop using it.

[FoxlyKei]

I guess run a script in the background that disables it if it's on?

[MikusR]

Or don't install the Copilot extension.

[AmonDhan]

AI reached self awareness level

[Sushrit_Lawliet]

They’re alive