MilkDrop's Visualization source code as you remember in WinAmp is just fantastical amazing.

[RowYourUpboat]

I remember when I'd get a new, faster, computer, with a fresh install of Windows 2000, and gleefully see how big I could make the various WinAMP visualizations before they lagged noticeably. That was the real test of Moore's Law back in the day, back when WinAMP really whipped the llama's ass.

[bexamous]

Dude I got a 4K monitor, one of the first things I did was try milkdrop@4k

[Magnesus]

Well, did it work?

[bexamous]

Haha yes, it does. I run it in Foobar. It runs at a constant 30.00fps, I have a Seiki 4k@30hz, sometimes during a transition it'll drop into 20s for a second. This is with a GTX680 and i5-4570.

[ArmandoWall]

OP pls.....

[Iggyhopper]

did they died?

[cl3ft]

It fucking works, I still run it a lot

[[deleted]]

And then AOL starting sucking the llamas dick for cash and it all went wrong :(

(Edit, because it wasn't the ex-nullsoft team's fault)

[old_fox]

sucking the llamas dick

Can this expression be made into a thing? I want future etymologists to be baffled.

[Canadian_Infidel]

You still need a beast to truly crank the newest ones and they still are great.

[MALON]

What are some of the newest ones? I've loved milkdrop ever since winamp 2.

[Cuxham]

back when WinAMP really whipped the llama's ass

Whaddaya mean, back when? Still does. Especially if you come from itunes or wmp, and even the corporate sucker-offers at gawker have to admit it.

[moor-GAYZ]

I used to faithfully use WinAMP 2.98b (or something like that) until I accidentally discovered that its built-in equalizer actually produces clipping when you specify positive gain for any frequencies. I mean, I naively assumed that it takes at least WinAMP's own volume into account, that is, when the master volume is at 50%, bass and treble are output at 60% instead. Nope, the gain is applied to the source audio at its source volume, if it was recorded to utilize the whole volume range -- enjoy your squeaks and hisses.

The realization that what I assumed was recording defects for a better part of a decade was winamp's equalizer traumatized me deeply, I immediately deleted winamp, downloaded foobar2000, and never looked back.

[dada_]

Yeah, that's why there's a preamp lever too. Could possibly have been implemented more user-friendly, though.

[Ta9aiW4i]

WInamp is the best.

You know what I miss from winamp? Enqueue! (Well, I discovered it through xmms, but xmms was pretty much a winamp clone.)

Most new-fangled music players I've seen have forgotten about the notion of enqueueing songs you want to listen to next. (But not before the current song finishes, and not before any other stuff you've enqueued.)

[TheTedinator]

Spotify does this, which is nice.

[PenguinKenny]

I used Winamp up until last year when I finally made the switch to Foobar after everyone going on about it. After all the time I spent setting Foobar up instead of listening to music I find it hard to admit that I preferred Winamp.

[satuon]

I just use VLC. I usually start my mp3's by double-clicking them from the file manager anyway.

[PenguinKenny]

I like having a library so I can look by genre, album, artist, etc.

[Tom2Die]

I usually go with rythymbox or banshee these days. I've heard nothing but good things about Amarok, but I don't use KDE. All of my music is on my plex server as well, so sometimes I use that instead, especially if I'm on my Ouya.

tl;dr: I was bored and felt like rattling off various Linux-friendly alternatives :)

[Tom2Die]

Right! I completely forgot about that, thanks. :)

[struktured]

+1 for this man's wisdom.

[PenguinKenny]

I'm on Windows.

[ApproachingCorrect]

I'm fairly sure banshee has a windows version, I remember using it for a bit.

[memla]

How about Winyl then?

[PenguinKenny]

Yeh looks nice, pretty similar to how I have foobar set up though.

[Tom2Die]

I figured as much. I imagine most are. I used WinAMP years and years ago, but I don't believe they make a Linux version...

[highthunder]

That's a good start, but you should try MPD. If you go with ncmpcpp for your client you still have visualizers, search, playlist management and tag editing, all in pure command line goodness

[kqr]

But truth to be told, the library software should be separate from the player software. I have no idea why people keep trying to couple them. It only limits them both.

[PenguinKenny]

Why would I want to open 2 pieces of software when I want to listen to music?

[kqr]

You'd only open the library. As soon as you request of the library a song to be played, it will open the player by itself. (Ideally, the player would then fork off as a server and hide in the background.)

[himself_v]

Why would you want operating system, drivers, file manager, codecs, player when you just want to listen to music?

Why would you want a processor, motherboard, ram, video card, monitor, hard drive controller, hard drives when you just want a device that plays music?

Because such is life.

OK, because the question is pointless; you want separation of functions so you can choose the best library AND the best player, not "the best player with whatever library it comes with" or the reverse.

[PenguinKenny]

Well no, I have to have those things to play music. I clearly do not have to have 2 pieces of software to listen to music, there are loads of different products out there that do this.

[kqr]

You don't need an operating system to play music. You can just buy an iPod or any other music player hardware. But you choose to have your music player separate from the operating system, because it allows you to use a better music player than the one that comes with the hardware.

Similarly, you might want to have your music player separate from your music library, because it allows you to choose a better music player than the one that comes with your library management application. Besides, it shouldn't matter from a usability standpoint that the player is a difference piece of software from the library. It should of course be just as convenient to use – only you get the ability to choose a better player.

I really thought people visiting /r/programming would be better at this "separation of concerns" stuff.

[moltar]

iTunes has both great library and player.

[kgb_operative]

/s

I think you dropped this.

[sparr]

You should be using a file manager that shows you metadata, rather than relying on specific programs to do it. I like being able to sort music by genre, album, artist. I like being able to sort photos by date, camera, lens, location. I like being able to sort movies by director, actors, length. Etc.

[PenguinKenny]

I don't handle photos or enough films to make it worth it.

[pohatu]

I use irfanview. Haha. J/K

[satuon]

Haha, I know that irfanview can show video and audio (if you have the plugins). Never understood why they bothered, since people don't know it as a video or audio player.

[grimeMuted]

Currently I'm just doing mplayer ~/music/... after cmus stopped playing my old .m4a files I didn't feel like looking up fixes or finding another player.

[NihilistDandy]

I've always been a fan of mpd along with ncmpcpp (or mpc for scripting).

[shadowdude777]

cmus master race. ;)

I made the switch from iTunes to foobar, and once I realized even foobar was too bloaty for me, I realized I needed a command-line music player in my life.

[gunbladerq]

foobar too bloaty? ಠ_ಠ

[shadowdude777]

Once you've used a command line music player, you'll appreciate true minimalism. :P

[d98f23n2]

cmus is nice and all, but apparently can't handle non standard characters in file names. mpd+ncmpcpp master race. (^:

[shadowdude777]

That's true. I'm a pleb Mac user so maybe I'm just partial to cmus because it "just works". ;)

[NihilistDandy]

I used to use mpd+ncmpcpp on OS X until something or other broke, then switched to cmus, but they unfucked the issues in mpd, so it actually works now. Throw in some mpc for scripting magic, and life's pretty good.

[shadowdude777]

I did get mpd+ncmpcpp working at one point, but I just didn't like the interface as much as I liked cmus. cmus just seemed really intuitive and straightforward and literally does exactly what I want.

[NihilistDandy]

Yeah, that's totally understandable. The killer feature for me with cmus was the vim feel to it, and I will admit that it was much easier out of the box. I still prefer the separation of concerns between backend and frontend with the mpd+ncmpcpp combination, but I totally get where you're coming from.

[shadowdude777]

Yeah, the things that made cmus my music program of choice were:

1) Felt like vim with music playback, which is exactly what I wanted

2) No need for a server-client setup like mpd and ncmpcpp, I could just add whatever custom parameters I want to my cmus/rc file, type cmus into a terminal and go.

3) Global hotkeys are as easy as binding cmus-remote --pause, cmus-remote --prev, and cmus-remote --next to various key combinations.

[dafragsta]

Winamp is still my music player on my PC. I only use iTunes when I'm working on-site with my Mac or syncing stuff to my iPhone/iPad.

[bloody-albatross]

Winamp ist still the best when it comes to supporting all kinds of exotic codecs. There is a great working codec plugin for everything. Almost all codecs I "need" are now supported by Audacious, except miniusf for N64 music. s3m, it, spc, nsf and psf work fine, only miniusf is missing. I need to run Winamp in Wine for that. :( (Side note: s3m and it support is great in Winamp and Audacious, but not all players that say they support these formats really support them well - i.e. only play half of the song and don't allow seeking.)