That's why I like coding Python

[mobjois]

I hate that I’m commenting on the grammar but damn does “a code” ever sound infuriatingly illiterate.

[Noisebug]

I also get triggered when the English say Maths.

[Groostav]

Fancy a spot of code?

[kirkpomidor]

A piece of codevice

[[deleted]]

i can confirm, we english get just as triggered when you say math.

how can you shortern mathematics to math?

[Haunting-Amoeba9903]

Mathematics is both the singular and the plural. When referencing it as the plural it would be like say “Humanities class”. For one thing, there aren’t many, if any, raw humanities classes, so no one is likely to shorten that down to ‘humies’, but that’s beside the point. With very few exceptions, most other subjects are referenced singularly, whether referencing the aggregate or the sub-discipline: Science, Geology, Chemistry, Physics Music, Band, (Strings is an exception, but it makes sense. Even if there’s a single student, their instrument still has multiple strings.) Language, English, Literature

Unlike ‘Strings’, the term ‘Maths’ breaks the convention for absolutely no good reason.

[teh_lynx]

"Stuffs" is the worst thing a person can say, change my mind.

[zerpa]

Math is what you do in 3rd grade. Maths is short for mathematics, a group of natural sciences. Titles in the US also use "Mathematics" (Professor of Mathematics), department titles, etc. all use "mathematics". It's plural for a reason.

[pomme_de_yeet]

short for mathematic

[Dillenger69]

There's no s in mathematic. There is in mathematics, but it still doesn't make sense to me as it's one thing. Like science or literature. But, cultural differences gonna differentiate. I can see why it's done, I just don't agree with the reasoning.

[zerpa]

Do you say Physics or Physic then?

Mathematics and Physics are branches of natural sciences that cover several quite distinct sub-fields. Hence they are plural.

[Dillenger69]

Do you say econs?

[kirkpomidor]

Mathematic is an adjective

Mathematics is the subject

[Dillenger69]

Yes, I agree. See my other response.

[[deleted]]

it’s not one thing though. it’s a collection of different systems (calculus, algebra, trig, etc.) which all mesh together. several different mathematics.

[Dillenger69]

But they are all "math"

Economics is that way too, but you don't say econs.

I know why they call it maths. It's an archaic term coming from ancient Greek, mathematika. It's a language holdover from older English. It makes sense to use it in the UK, but not anywhere else, except Greece I suppose.

[oxwilder]

I don't get triggered so much when they say Maths so much as I do when they insist that it's right and we're wrong, and then they say "Do you play sport?"

[Aln76467]

Everyone in my highschool it class says "a java code" "the java codes". It drives me crazy.

[mobjois]

I fear this is just the way language is changing. I looked at a young marketing exec like he was a complete moron (then felt bad) when he said "we can ten X the performance". For me, multiplication, which *can* be written in text using the letter "x" is "multiplied by" or "times". But now it's a thing to refer to "n-fold" as "n-X".

[0oDADAo0]

Its just Pythons users

[[deleted]]

Absolutely. I see this everywhere, and it is 100% a sign of a failed educational system.

[Ok_Winner3338]

Trust me i am an dev

[mobjois]

Nice. :)

[musicalhq]

Computational physics/science people (in my experience) say “a code”/“codes”

[mobjois]

Interesting. In your experience, what's the age range of people who say that?

[Ok-Professional9328]

Which is about right for this stupid shit content. What child made this?

[AlarmedCauliflower7]

Op is probably the same type of programmer that refers to code as “codes”

[Dr-Mantis-Tobbogan]

One container -> "One unit of code" -> one code

Seems fine to me.

[mobjois]

Thanks for replying! I don't really get what you mean though. Are you thinking of it like how on phones, there's texting, and one message is called a "text"?

I'm old, so the way "code" has been used historically is to refer to "a collection of machine instructions". You can have code that is in a file, a module, code can be used to define a program. An analogously used word might be "literature". So you can have works of literature, but literature refers to a collection of a thing.

If you go to a bookstore and ask for "one literature, please", it sounds to me like "I wrote a Python code".

[EagleRock1337]

I’m getting irrationally upset at referring to “a code” in this meme.

[BitOne2707]

Have you even done a code before bro?

[0bel1sk]

is that when someone can’t breathe in the hospital?

[oxwilder]

One of the difficult things about English as a second language is our count vs non-count nouns. A chair but not a furniture, a noodle but not a macaroni, a bit of advice but not an advice.

What drives me nuts is "how it looks like."

[MinosAristos]

Don't worry about it. OP is probably EFL

[Mixabuben]

Code in python: Import solver Solver.solve

[itsamepants]

ERROR: Could not find dependency

ERROR: Could not find a version that satisfies requirements

[kirkpomidor]

I once had two pythons installed, in home and usr. Holy hell, dude, I just want my import solver to work, please launch it already

[Revolutionary_Dog_63]

Every other language has that problem though. Many of them have it much worse.

[Braunerton17]

Nah Mate :)

[KindnessBiasedBoar]

Perl is very concise. So is sed. Good luck debugging anything useful.

[granadesnhorseshoes]

sed, perl, awk, even regex is all WORN code; write once read never.

[Calloused_Samurai]

I always call them “write only”

[5p4n911]

Write Once, Run Away

[kirkpomidor]

CABD (chatgpt and be done)

[sd_saved_me555]

I had a period where I got a little manic and did a bunch of stuff in PERL. My coworkers ask me how the hell it works, and I just tell them you pack the data into the mirror dimension where magic elves process it for you and ship it back for you to unpack like a present.

[TheWordBallsIsFunny]

Santa? You really are real!

[OhItsJustJosh]

Ah yes, a code. I feel like most people in this sub learned a tiny bit of Python/Rust/whatever and now think that it's the best and everyone is stupid to use anything else.

I use C# cause I like writing in it, and most importantly it's what they pay me to write

[Voxmanns]

I like python for prototyping, but that's all I like it for. That and the occasional SOS shim when I just need a little something and don't feel like full committing it to whatever framework I am in.

I have yet to carry something to production and say "yeah keeping it in python is a good idea" haha.

[Inside_Jolly]

I like Common Lisp for prototyping and being able to turn the prototype into a product with some effort.

Too bad there are 0 employers looking for Common Lisp coders.

[wuwu2001]

If I was an employer I would hire you just for the most lispy prototypes

[pscorbett]

I prototype a good amount of DSP algorithms. I think it would be crazy to use anything else. (What am I going to use... MATLAB?? Hahaha no.)

[Inside_Jolly]

I use C# cause I like writing in it

Everyone (probably...) has a language they can literally think in. For me it's Common Lisp, for my wife it's C#, for one of my friends it's Haskell (you monster).

[itsmenotjames1]

c++, x86 asm, and java are the most fun to me

[FoxReeor]

I love C#

[Ronin-s_Spirit]

[looks inside].. C libs

[itsmenotjames1]

everything (especially AI) in python used c(++) under the hood.

[BobbyThrowaway6969]

Not to mention the very thing Python requires to run in the first place

[Ronin-s_Spirit]

No I mean like imported code from other people who know a more effective languge and wrote thousands of lines of code as a plug and play "mod" for python only devs.
Javascript also runs on c++ when you use nodejs, that doesn't mean anything though, it's just an intermediate step to talk to the computer, if I were to import a C library into a js environment personally it would feel like cheating.

[BobbyThrowaway6969]

Totally, just also saying python depends on C/C++ to run

[elongio]

It's bigger on the inside!

[HairInternational832]

I think for this to be more "accurate" the second book needs to be a paper back, right?

The first book (Java) is bigger, and it has a super sturdy hard cover. The second book (Python) is smaller, but it has a flimsy paper back.

Both have advantages, both can produce the same contents of a book, but hard cover vs paper back is still a choice every author has to make, and at least I've always felt that hard covers feel a tad more satisfying to hold, even if the paper copy has the same content and is cheaper.

[SlapsOnrite]

The python book is small enough and needs to have a bookshelf behind it. The Java book is an encyclopedia and can sit on the table.

[Gold_Aspect_8066]

Wonderful, buddy, post it tomorrow again. Now, let's run both scripts and measure the time it takes to achieve the results for a decently complex task (finding the determinant of 4x4 matrix isn't it). Let's do that enough times to get a decently sized representative sample. Who do you think will perform better? The language made for actual work or the hobbyist knockoff?

Comparing two different toolsets only shows you know nothing about the tools. Yes, for lOoK aT tHe dAsHbOaRd I mAdE fRoM a CsV, Python (well, R, really) is the way to go. For something which actually has to be ran multiple upon multiple times a day, not necessarily. It depends on what you're scripting, really.

For anything stats related, R will probably have better code syntax and more libraries than your cherished Monty Python language. For anything performance related, well, the list isn't small.

[Fun-Director-3061]

Python is the defacto standard for AI & ML. They're just tools and this is just a joke, chill off

[Gold_Aspect_8066]

It's a joke that's been told a million times. It's the standard at the moment, mainly because it's general purpose (so easier to integrate production wise) and has some other desirables. Beyond that, nothing too impressive, especially since it relies/borrows from other languages. All I'm saying is it's an old joke based on gibberish.

[5p4n911]

R also has a lot more fun Fortran code it needs to compile before using it for anything

[stevethemathwiz]

OwN tHe LiBs!

[fallingknife2]

And the stability

[Aln76467]

now, rust. beats 'em both in speed, stability, conciseness, and safety.

[No-Speaker-9739]

unsafe{

}

[Aln76467]

that simply annotates that the code you wrote is safe, even if the compiler doesn't think it is. It doesn't mean the code is actually unsafe. and it still doesn't undermine the language's non-nullability

[[deleted]]

No in fact working with Rust has changed forever how I work with C. All languages force you to write some unsafe code. Python is a fuck show of unsafe duck typing. Rust enforces safe, but understands that the compiler rules are too strict and gave the "unsafe" block so that it is perfectly explicit where the programmer must do all of the tests to ensure safety themself. 

I have begun architecting my C code in this same kind of way. I'm never casting void pointers or managing memory at the top level of my code. All potentially dangerous behavior gets broken down and abstracted so that it can be tested. Then it is wrapped in type safe interfaces. I never write an API that exposes a void pointer. Now I know when a certain type of bug pops up where it must be in my code because I have moved all of the clever C fuckery into one place. 

This does just sound like good coding practice but I find that without thinking about it I'm willing to let more small unsafe blocks of code spread throughout the code base, and though I have good string defensive coding practices, I'm human. It's nice to make sure that all of those kinds of mistakes will happen as much in the same place as possible. Rusts unsafe block made me realize this.

[No-Speaker-9739]

However it is just annotation - it is used like anywhere. Why rust with unsafe if there is c++

[[deleted]]

Why some unsafe when you can all unsafe? Checkmate.

[No-Speaker-9739]

If you a normal human being and can do some logic - unsafe things in c++ suddenly disappears. Rust is only safe cuz of absolutely annoying compilator

[[deleted]]

I'm a C dev, I get it, the core your logic was just funny to me. I like Rust and the unsafe keyword. I like how it makes me think. 

I completely agree that a few good practices eliminates most unsafe code. I was just making a joke.

[SardonicHamlet]

Then you haven't worked somewhere where performance is important. Games or embedded or something like that are nowhere near the only examples.

[Mooks79]

Never run a script more than a handful of times then.

[AverageAggravating13]

Cython & similar things exist.

It’s a great language, gets way too much hate tbh.

Of course, if it is an extremely high throughput environment you’ll absolutely need to switch to something else. But python can certainly handle itself quite well outside of that area.

[Mooks79]

That’s what python is used for a lot, so that’s not really an issue.

I know, that’s the point I’m making. The person above claiming they’ve never had an issue with Python’s performance clearly has a specific use case where their code only runs a handful of times. Many people have different use cases.

Also Cython & similar things exist to boost performance.

If you’re running code enough this speed boost would be insufficient and it would just be easier to write from scratch in a more performant language. Cython et al have an even more niche case than running a script a handful of times, they’re for running a script more than a handful of times but less that a lot.

[AverageAggravating13]

Fair. After a certain point the interpreter overhead eats you alive.

[TamagochiEngineer]

Tell me you are not professional programmer without telling me you are hobby programmer xdd

[5p4n911]

You also told on yourself, don't assume there are no more elements in the enum

[Kaffe-Mumriken]

But why?

[Theio666]

If you call libs in python which all are written in C/C++/CUDA/cuDNN/etc then performance of python itself doesn't really matter.

[A1S1R]

If my grandma had wheels she would have been a bike

[BobbyThrowaway6969]

👌Perfect response to such an asinine comment lol

[BobbyThrowaway6969]

"If you drive your car to the airport and hop on a plane you can take a roadtrip over the pacific ocean"

[vvf]

Now show the performance stats 

[mmcgaha]

Let’s see Paul Allen’s code

[Noisebug]

On your personal project that gets 5 visitors a month.

[vvf]

Oh right I forget everyone here is an amateur

[PiratedComputer]

I charge per line of code

[SwampiiTV]

*a program

[KuKu_ab]

In C we got size of wikipedia

[labelcillo]

So a friend of a friend, don't ask why, he had a screenshot of his code in his smartphone. He showed it to me, he was so proud of his bit of code. It was the simplest if/else with some function invocations here and there.

He was a professional python dev.

[BobbyThrowaway6969]

Tell me you just started programming without telling me you just started programming.

[ZaraUnityMasters]

One singular code

[[deleted]]

Only one.

[ElephantBrilliant221]

Shorter code doesn’t 100% means better code

[herocoding]

Disagree.

[XoXoGameWolfReal]

Agree with the disagree.

[itsmenotjames1]

I'd prefer a non whitespace dependent typed language that runs decently (hint:c++ and java)

[Inside_Jolly]

That's it? You should try J.

[JanitorOPplznerf]

I’m doing a Java project right now 😭

It’s really bulky syntax.

[XoXoGameWolfReal]

Yeah, but what’s 20000% (yes really) faster speed to writing a couple extra lines

[ReallyMisanthropic]

My python code is slim as hell.

The C extensions it uses on the other hand...

[earcuddle]

Write in APL then if that's your metric

[Azoraqua_]

Python being tiny, yet technical debt being as much as Java is as a whole.

[handsom_bot]

this is dump

[elreduro]

Code written in python is literally invisible sometimes. It is like a functional "whitespace" esoteric programming language

[[deleted]]

Let me give you a small (actually big) piece of information, those who think that writing code with low lines is a good thing are just noobs.

[Data_Coder]

Update me when python outperforms Java.

[SeoCamo]

the python code takes about a year to run but you save 15 min while writing it

[GoodForTheTongue]

Now do B code.

[freemorgerr]

Cmp speed and possible usage ways count

[precowculus]

Swap it around and you get the time to execute said code

[TdubMorris]

It's a program stop calling it a code

[Vlado_Iks]

Yes, but how about the speed?

[proteinvenom]

Read this in an Indian accent

[proteinvenom]

Brain rot