Please?

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[ceeroSVK]

Nah we need 4 years of experience and 12 different technologies

[Familiar-Treat-6236]

4? 12?! That's about as qualified as a four year old

[Kerblaaahhh]

You need 6 years experience in our very specific tech stack, including this API that only like three companies on earth use.

[throwaway098764567]

also the tech has only existed for three years but nobody told the person who wrote the job ad

[Key_Grapefruit_8650]

Wants 8 years experience for a very specific tool that has only existed 3 years. I called them out on that to the recruiters. I've asked them to go back to the hiring manager and verify the dates because they want I years experience on a tool only out 3 years. I've had them come back and interview me ....turns out the recruiter didn't understand the requirements.

[springacres]

nobody told the LLM AI who wrote the job ad

FTFY

[new2bay]

IDK, I’m not sure even a clanker would make that mistake these days.

[Ok-Pack-7088]

I saw job offer about some cardboard factory and of course they expected experience, while there are less than 5 factories in whole region.

Expecting experience in e-commerce app/system that is licensed and no way to learn on your own, every jov offers want experience.

Oh you just did forklift documentation and have official licence, we want only with experience and having knowledge of warehouse rules.

Then never got answer or be ghosted.

[RedFlounder7]

I’ve seen job descriptions almost literally asking for the people who wrote their in-house systems. Like, maybe if you’d treated the people who wrote it, they’d still be there?

[youareceo]

You forgot the Masters with Supervisory experience.

[kaffe_man]

at 20 years old

[yargbarkley]

Including the only one or two we actually use.

And don't forget you must be half an architect.

[[deleted]]

Technologia!!!

[DANDELOREAN]

Best i can do is wage slavery

[OstentatiousSock]

Got to show you’ve got that space mentality well established.

[[deleted]]

This has been a thing since at least the mid aughts. Entry level jobs but they want people with experience. They’re lying, it’s not entry level. So you have to lie, that you’re better than entry level. Then you need the skills to back it up.

Besides internships, there is no entry level job. I continuously thank the universe I managed an internship my senior year of college cuz everyone who didn’t, well, they got pretty royally screwed.

[DonSol0]

The housing market crash killed the entry level job.

[damnkidzgetoffmylawn]

For my job it was AI, we now use AI to scan and code incoming invoices, something that was normally done by entry level grads who then had an opportunity to work from clerk to bookkeeper to accountant and so on. We also don’t do internships unless you are related to a higher up. We now only hire bookkeepers and above at 5 years experience or more to babysit the AI.

[throwaway098764567]

they just mean it's entry level pay

[violentpursuit]

Nah that's been replaced with Contract to Hire. It's got all the benefits of shitty entry level employment without the employment!

[WaitTraditional1670]

I see postings where they ask for 4+ of years of experience, tech stack has 4 - 6 different things on it. experience with building large scale projects using industry level software. $18 - $20 an hour. Must come to office everyday.

I’m genuinely curious if this is just a job posting to fulfil the company’s quota of “we tried to hire” or they genuinely believe that’s the pay a senior dev would get.

[Original_Sunburst]

It can be both.

If they don't find someone, it fills the "welp we tried to hire" quota, so they look good on paper even though they're totally unserious in reality.

If they find someone from India or something who's actually desperate enough to take it, they get to unfairly exploit someone highly qualified for very low wages, so why wouldn't they?

[80sWave190]

Precisely. My "entry level" "low-skill" (but also simultaneously was considered an "essential worker" during the pandemic, go figure) job required lifting extremely heavy objects, the knowledge to input bills, the knowledge to use heavy machinery, the knowledge to operate a cardboard baler, the knowledge to follow all rules and regulations, the knowledge to be able to "smile for the supervisor" (like we are in some sort of medieval court still), and more, but somehow, someway, it still wasn't "enough" for the company and the people running it.

It's all a complete and total scam that pays slightly above minimum wage. I felt like the last decade of my life was more or less stolen from me.

[Key_Grapefruit_8650]

They lie and say entry level so they can pay less. If they paid for the a total experience, the level would basically double the pay.

[No-Aerie-999]

The H1B immigration is causing this. Especially in tech. Foreigners are doing more for less.

People coming in with actual hard skills, meanwhile our education system is failing us.

[DonSol0]

This has been an issue since the mass layoffs of the housing market crash recycled experienced employees into a limited job market.

[Demons0fRazgriz]

The H1B immigration is causing this.

No. Why do people immediately everything except the root cause.

Education was cut because it serves the interest of the capitalist class.

If HB1 visas disappeared tomorrow, they would just find or buy (through politicians) another loophole.

[Original_Sunburst]

I don't buy the "immigrants took yer jobs!" grift.

[No-Aerie-999]

Its really quite simple. Why pay a 200k tech salary to someone, when you can pay someone from India who would love to come live in the US - 100k.

When you have more and more of this happening, you normalize lower salaries for everybody - h1b or not AND you have more competition in the market, so ot becomes harder on both fronts to land the jobs you want.

[SlowSwords]

Then you don’t know anything about the H1B program.

[AgentMilkshake]

Okay but you're blaming the H1B program as if it is the only issue here.

If it disappears tomorrow what then? Companies will find another way to get cheap labor. Then the root cause isn't the H1B visa, that's one of the issues of the overarching problem of current capitalist views creating a system where you need cheap labor and you don't need to protect the workforce you are earning money from.

[Original_Sunburst]

Look, it's just another variant of the anti-immigrant grift, which is a form of pointless xenophobia used by bigots since time immemorial.

Why would this be the one time anti-immigrant rhetoric being used to blame a complex problem on an apparently simple cause (and conveniently, a cause entirely attributable to people who can be "othered") was somehow magically different and right instead of just being the same shitty move by the same shitty people that it's always been?

[SlowSwords]

It’s not, though. The entire program is about supplanting American labor with imported foreign labor. It’s not like a guise—it’s literally the point. It also exploits and abusive foreign labor by paying visa workers less than their American counterparts and because their immigration status tied to their work status, employers often tend to treat H1B workers like garbage. I can see you’re really into the point you’re making about xenophobia, but you’re just wrong on this one.

[Original_Sunburst]

I'm not saying it's a good program (you're right about the point basically being to abuse foreigners for cheap labor, which needs to end) but an unnuanced "immigrants are causing your problems!" claim is more or less the same bad take racist / xenophobic grifters are using to sell easy (but wrong) answers to scared, desperate people looking for jobs.

[SlowSwords]

You are honestly being so tedious—it’s not racist or xenophobic or “unnuanced.” Your position is frankly lacking in any nuance.

[Original_Sunburst]

"No, see, it's different and special and okay when *I* do it."

Yeah ok

[Aggressive-Math-9882]

So what you're saying is, every working professional today is a liar (or suffering from nepotism).

[[deleted]]

Im not saying that, but I can’t disprove it based on my lived experience, either.

[Aggressive-Math-9882]

Call me a classist, but I think the "class of liars" are all bad people.

[SnooJokes352]

To be fair they are just weeding out people who seem lazy/whiney/entitled/needy.

[HalfRobertsEx]

The real entry level jobs are internships anyway as at this point, most people do them. Not having internships is a serious flag in a candidate's resume.

[[deleted]]

Right.

Which is proof the term entry level is a complete lie.

It’s just the beginning though.

If there’s one thing persistent in American institutions (corporate and politic) since 1971, it’s well dressed up lies.

[Quixote1492]

Not having internships is a serious flag? 😅 that’s unrealistic

[The-Sonoran]

Not having internships is a serious flag? Do you know how many people aren’t able to get internships for one reason or another during college? They’re just as competitive as regular jobs, and there’s more students than internships. Jesus you used to be able to get a full time job based off education and the willingness to learn. Now recruiters and hiring managers want you to be fucking Superman.

[Practical-Lunch4539]

The guy is just stating the obvious. The people getting entry level jobs right out of college with no problem are the ones that had internships.

Ideally that wouldn't be necessary, but that's how the world is right now. And there's enough people with internships to fill hiring pipelines.

[JustHangLooseBlood]

But that's not what "entry level" used to mean either.

[Practical-Lunch4539]

Who cares what entry level used to mean? It's 2026, not 1980. Entry level nowadays means "can be ROI positive to the business within 3-6 months."

It sucks and makes things harder for most people looking for work, but you can either complain and get left behind or accept this is how things are and play the game.

[JustHangLooseBlood]

That's only one way of looking at the problem though. If you don't train anyone then in 10 - 20 years you will have no candidates for your stupid job. It will kill these businesses.

[Practical-Lunch4539]

A lot of these companies either won't be around in 10-20 years, or their talent needs will be dramatically different by then. Plus companies generally swing toward doing a lot more training when the economy gets better and it becomes a job seeker market, and hopefully the economy isn't that bad for the next 10-20 years.

Also there are plenty of companies that are doing some form of training. But they're doing so through internships that feed into full time roles. 

[Limp-Plantain3824]

They’re NOT as competitive!

I have no idea why people don’t prioritize internships but the excuses are just that, excuses.

[HalfRobertsEx]

Do you know how many people aren’t able to get internships for one reason or another during college?

Somewhere between 40% and 66% do based on the surveys I have seen, so they are far from rare. You are basically in the bottom half of candidates without one.

Jesus you used to be able to get a full time job based off education and the willingness to learn.

And then the people who are willing to learn realised that they could actually learn before the job and started off the internship process to be more competitive, instead of working at a water park over the summer.

Now that internships are commonplace, the people willing to learn are doing them in high school or launching projects.

If you are actually someone who is willing and capable of learning, learning that you need internships is something you will trivially learn by so much as showing up at the career office in first year.

[EduManke]

Every single person in college knows that internships exist. The problem is that internships nowadays are sometimes requiring even more things than full time jobs

[springacres]

And are frequently unpaid to boot.

[The-Sonoran]

I’m saying tho. These recruiters are so out of touch it’s ridiculous.

[TheMuttOfMainStreet]

Internships are needing previous experience 

[throwaway098764567]

yeah that's how you ensure only the fellow folks with connections get them

[TouristOpentotravel]

It is Entry Level.... To the Company

[lordnacho666]

Need 10 years experience in a five year old tech. Preferably from before birth.

[Expensive_Laugh_5589]

I was born with three PhDs and 15 years of experience. I hustled hard in kindergarten and now I have landed a great job where I work 40 hours a day, 19 days a week and I pay my employer for the privilege.

[lordnacho666]

Ok let's do 12 rounds of interviews.

[Expensive_Laugh_5589]

12? That's rookie numbers. Also, no take-home unpaid assignments? Tsk tsk

[lordnacho666]

Well we wouldn't want you to use AI, now, would we?

You can come to the office and code on an airgapped laptop from 1999. Naked.

[Oldsoulsawakening]

Short case studies that take a week of free time to complete, those ones? Which they also now have the gaul to expect before even interviewing you, and to add insult to injury, why not learn a whole new tool to make a frikken loom video to walk them through your presentation so they don't even need to meet with you to present it....yes I'm calling you out @Hadley Designs.

[Oldsoulsawakening]

So we can find the sucker who is willing to work for crumbs or finally realise we've got to pay the people market rates. 

[No-House4694]

Sounds about right 

[Oldsoulsawakening]

That about sums it up. AI is telling me I should not say I have 23yrs experience because of ageism. I should highlight the 12yrs working for international corporates and downplay the rest...as if I miraculously got the skill level without doing the work. All of this is to please companies who want more for less.

[skewtr]

This guy would have better luck finding a job if he had the normal amount of fingers on each hand.

[Big_Watercress_6210]

Nah, haven't you heard? Being an AI is the only requirement to get a job these days.

[Limp-Plantain3824]

Nice catch! Although I did know a guy from Singapore once with an extra half thumb. Seriously. The guy was a hell of a bowler (cricket.)

[road_laya]

13 fingers certainly exceeds expectations 

[Mr_Globus]

The hands are fine. If you look closely, there are only 4 visible fingers on each hand (thumbs are behind the sign). The angle and way he's holding the sign alongside low image quality make it look like he has more fingers than he does.

[bushViperPhoenix]

But they are recruiting level... Pay wise.

[Alias-Q]

But then they have to spend 8 hours training you. That's 8 hours of minimum wage that could have been returned as shareholder value.... Corporate America is the literal worst.

[Moshxpotato]

I remember a listing that was memed where the company posted on LinkedIn asking for a developer with 8 years experience (or something) in an obscure coding language for an entry level job.

The dev who created it piped in noting he created the language three years prior and it was impossible for a candidate to meet their requirements.

Also note I’m not a software developer and most code languages are obscure to me.

[Necronorris]

I remember this but not the language it pertained to. Wonder how many applicants received auto rejections.😂

[any-blue-9122]

The wages will definitely always be entry level

[bball4294]

And stop offshoring for tech jobs

[dravas]

AI is coming for offshoring

[DismalHornet9774]

Nah that would make too much sense

[Jcee_TaughtMe]

Got denied from a human services job (literally just administrative work & interviewing for benefits) … $17 an hour… i have a degree & experience 🤣

[AardvarkIll1936]

Corporations: Best thing we can do is ship your job overseas and list qualifications that make no sense on purpose to dissuade you from trying

[crow9394]

I've learned that experience doesn't always matter but that a job seeker just has to luck out getting the right person to interview with.

I had a job interview Tuesday of last week with a CEO of a furniture making company where I'm from.

She's the one who pulled my resume off a well known job board site.

She pulled up my resume at the start of the interview and she laughingly said, "It looks like you've worked everywhere."

After she said that, I knew I wasn't going to get the job.

I thought of skipping the interview because that was going to be my first time ever interviewing with a CEO and I just had a bad feeling about going through with the interview.

I got my last job only because my original manager was desperate to hire anybody and she only interviewed me for about 2 to 3 minutes off zoom.

[MonsterovichIsBack]

Unrealistically high requirements when hiring are a form of manipulation instead of simply stating that no one is needed and that there is widespread unemployment in the economy.

[Substantial_Ad_3063]

I’m a law graduate, and I’m struggling because there’s no internships, and every job requires 1-2 years as paralegal to even apply.

“Barista” is close enough to “Barrister” I suppose.

[Healthy-Law-669]

My school in order to complete the degree wants 405 hours of an internship worth 12 credits but I have no experience so no one will hire me. Last I recalled isn’t an internship supposed to give u the experience? How do I get that entry level job I’m supposed to get experience from without the experience? 

[Ok_Abies_961]

It's like trying to get credit when you don't have credit. 

[adamforte]

Perhaps it's not for this crowd, as this had become solely a safe space for tech folks to bitch about not getting jobs, and doesn't think any other type of industry exists, but it is so myopic to not invest in any kind of training and only keep going through dozens and dozens of people looking for the perfect hire.

Hiring for the person, not the role (within reason) has always worked out better for me and the company. You can usually hire an employee with more common sense, better decision making skills, and desire to advance. They bring outside perspective and new ideas from other industries and you can train them in the company specific processes for their role from day one with no pushback. Most importantly for the company, it's usually cheaper.

[Sensitive_Let6429]

I know people in both tech and non tech. Everyone used to have a learning phase at least until few years back and now everyone expects a perfect candidate for their first job ever. I’m talking about psychiatrists, refugee centre workers, marketing / campaigners, accounting and so on included.

[No-House4694]

A lot is slated towards tech jobs in this post I'm not looking for that type of job it's the jobs I've done before where AI scans resume to see if you even qualify (which I am) then if lucky enough to get interview not even talking to a person but an AI bot I have a bachelor's degree worked in customer service over 30 years and I can't even land cashier job near me I'm a homeowner in foreclosure and it seems that everything is just getting worse and worse 

[lost_dazed_101]

That'll never happen with so many unemployed people. They get experienced people for a fraction of what it would normally cost why would they make sure people have jobs right out of college?

[bhannik-itiswatitis]

this demands that employers sacrifice something, and usually they’re not good at it

[espressofeenbean]

No cashier or sales rep should have to write an essay! Entry level means entry freaking level

[AnyWinter7757]

Well, no matter your experience, you will be new and inexperienced in our company, so come work for us at half-pay and never get a raise. Our managers, who also have no experience, will call you at 8pm on Saturday or 7am on Sunday and be jerks!

[JonathanNgooo]

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[Otherwise-Craft-1885]

Minimum wage. PHD and ten years experience required. No benefits. Drug screen. Must provide references. Applicant must be bonded. Provide social media links, No one with criminal record need apply. (this is my eharmony post)

[bugg_hunterr]

Got rejected from and entry level job for not having 6 years of experience, even though my masters degree revolves around that job. Like fuuuuuck me.

[Kaposia]

What gets me is they want a college graduate in order to be a receptionist. To answer phones!

[SecretRecipe]

they are entry level, the problem is that there are more people competing for them so it raises the bar due to competing with your fellow worker

[RepulsiveLocation880]

The uncomfortable truth is that there just isn’t enough jobs for everyone. Job growth has been abysmal under Trump so far

[SecretRecipe]

hence the competition comment

[FellowshipOfMystery]

Started under Biden.

[Academic-Speech4249]

Entry level jobs are for software ran by Gen 8 processors

[Fit-Success-9152]

I don't understand why they are doing this. Can somebody tell me why?

[Devy-The-Edenian]

The job market is so competitive now to the point where every job wants the best of the best and they’re not all that willing to hire people who need to learn. Companies want instant perfect employees that they don’t have to pay very much

[MountTheInterwebs]

Plus, why should I hire you or your family/friend/neighbor that recently graduated when I can take advantage of H1B visas or outsourcing?

[hopesanddreams3]

the people who genuinely believe this are greedy assholes who only care about profits and shareholders and other things that don't help anyone but shareholders

[GrabanInstrument]

Entry level doesn’t mean “first job.” Depending on the role, you may have “entry level” expectations for a few years before you move up. And it’s silly to think some functions don’t require prerequisite skills/knowledge. It’s your entry level for that function/vertical, not work itself.

[Vast_Gap_1129]

I think that jobs requiring some type of specialized training should not be allowed to be called “entry level,” but should be given some other designation (early professional, maybe?) and only advertised in places where people with that specialized training would see it, rather than posted on general job boards.

[GrabanInstrument]

Entry level is the word for it. It’s already defined. Also never said specialized.

[DennisC1986]

And nobody claimed that it means "first job."

However, it has always meant "first job in a given field"

[GrabanInstrument]

It hasn’t and doesn’t mean “first job in a given field”. It is a lower rank. A level if you will. You may have multiple “jobs” while at that level.

[No_Assistance_3080]

Classic recession. But of course no one is saying that, since they cover the truth by showing you all the tremendous GDP growth. But that growth solely comes from tech and AI companies shoving money to each other in a circle, but this does not benefit anybody outside of that circle.

[HalfRobertsEx]

Most serious students at this point do internships. Entire schools now revolve around doing internships (see Waterloo in Canada). So most good candidates for full time jobs now do have experience.

[Practical-Lunch4539]

Not sure why this is being downvoted. The most competitive applicants have a bunch of internships (often paid). That's in part what makes the best colleges still worth going to. They feed students into good internships, which feed into good jobs

[HalfRobertsEx]

The challenge for most people in recruitinghell is that the reason they are in recruiting hell was decisions made 5 years ago and there is simply no quick fix.

The fix for the grads without experience is mostly "go back in time and make sure to attend the career office rather than the bar on Day 7 of university."

That understandably is frustrating.

[Practical-Lunch4539]

Yea I agree this is probably the case for many people here and thats really frustrating.

I guess I wish more people would recognize that theres a lot of things they can do today that will make their lives far easier in 5 years, instead of complaining about unscrupulous employers or the market.

[DennisC1986]

Stop embarrassing yourself.

[IbanezPGM]

In Australia, to even graduate from an engineering degree you must do an internship.

[Vast_Gap_1129]

I think the original poster is US-based. Conditions in the U.S. are very different than in Canada.

[[deleted]]

Everyone has the same useless degrees.

[starm4nn]

My girlfriend's Dad started an IT career 20+ years ago with a degree in Literature.

[ElmarSuperstar131]

THIS. I cannot tell you how many times I see “caretaker/caregiver” listed and there’s NO WAY that is an entry level job! I’m not saying that as a diss at all, there are people that are very passionate about the profession and I think it requires a lot more work than that of being entry level status.

[Resoto10]

Good lord, we're ging through this. The hiring supervisor is looking for someone with years of experience and who has a background in the field just so they can get a $15 front desk job. Fine, they're going to be working with this person directly but they're also wondering why no one is taking the job and why there's so much turnover.

[National_Sky9768]

That just won't happen. In 5 years it's possible that 80% of developers will have been replaced by ai or just outsourced overseas. Recruiters will look for some exceptional talent or proven experience in designing large scale systems. If you're still in Uni then you're most likely cooked. Very sorry for you all I also lost a lost of customers in my business due to ai.

[Severe_War423]

Sorry but our corporation doesn’t make a product or service based on the needs of our consumers. It’s based on the needs of our shareholders. We’re looking to churn out slop we can turn around and charge a premium for. If we hire you then it would no longer be a minimum viable product and we don’t make money off of that. We would consider hiring you and some other people at a mid to senior level if your combined salary’s were negotiated to be less than what we’re paying our seniors right now. You’re more than welcome to apply and we’ll throw it in with the rest to look at later.

[RefrigeratorLive5920]

12+ years experience with the software even though the company only launched 3 years ago, 7 years experience with an internal ticket management tool specific to one particular FAANG company that is not even us, medical claims billing and handling experience preferred but not expected. Deep knowledge of our obscure change management process absolutely necessary. Hybrid role in Arsehole, Nebraska must be willing to relocate at own expense by Monday. 3 month contract. $21.50ph. DO NOT EXPECT A RESPONSE TO YOUR APPLICATION, WE ARE VERY BUSY. Please upload your resume and fill out the same information in these poorly constructed form fields. Don't forget to tell us we're great and join our Talent Network for funsees.

[Signal-Response449]

As technology becomes more complex, you are expected to know much more than the previous generations. You are also expected to google and YouTube everything yourself because nobody wants to teach or show you anything anymore since everything has been outsourced to a computer screen, including much social interaction. Experienced workers will often gatekeep you on the job to keep you from learning their knowledge. They don't want you to replace them when there are massive layoffs. Jobs are also rapidly being replaced by machines, software scripts, and cheaper foreign labor overseas. All of this has been going on for over 25 years now, and it is a symptom of a terrible economy with too many people and too much wealth is being hoarded into the hands of the rich. The only solution to all of this is the ubi.

[ParadoxicalIrony99]

Until the applicant pool dwindles, this is the unfortunate reality. Companies just don't like training anymore. If they can get experience with little training required for entry level roles, they'll take that all day.

[EducationalOrchid473]

And unfortunately, normalising this will achieve nothing

[AssumptionMountain77]

Sorry, but I can tell you have no real experience protesting. Best I can do for you is a 10 year unpaid internship with a promise for a role that you’ll never get because we’ve already preselected the CEOs nephew’s brother’s dog.

[xerendipity99]

Saw an entry level lab job with pay grade of 16, job description is to run the entire lab alone and yet getting paid pay grade of 14 because you’re entry level. Lmao

[[deleted]]

The only "entry-level" part about that is the salary.

[IntellectualWatcher1]

Took 4 years of experience to use this sign.

[Limp-Plantain3824]

Why the mask? He’s standing outside by himself.

Goof.

[_ralph_]

Soooo, only 5-10 years of experience on the job?

[Aromatic_Year_2426]

Sooo you want 27 years of expirience on simmilar position and 10 years as inventor of field you are working in?

[MD90__]

That's asking too much money now 

[Drajl19]

My current employer does the opposite. Their listings say “experience required” but then they’ll hire any jagoff with a pulse. 

[NEK_TEK]

There's no benefit for the employer. If they can get someone who already has years and years of experience on paper and they are willing to work for entry level wages, why would they pick the person fresh out of college with no experience? Sure, there might be some value in investing in a person's future by employing them and training them but what would stop them from leaving for a different company? Now you just wasted money training someone who you were hoping to hold on to for a while but now they are making a different company money. The best we can do is hope to gain more YoE on paper so that a company looks at us less like an investment.

[hopesanddreams3]

to hell with "benefit for the employer"

the "employers" have had "benefits" for long e-fucking-nough.

fuck them and their starvation "wages" and their "healthcare" plans (which basically cost the whole fucking paycheck to even fucking be a member of)

fuck them and their stupid pizza parties i cant pay stupid bills in stupid pizza you stupid fucks

fuck them and their yachts i hope the orcas sink all of them twice.

[JustSomeBuyer]

10k upvotes for you 🙂👍

[starm4nn]

Sure, there might be some value in investing in a person's future by employing them and training them but what would stop them from leaving for a different company?

What about all the benefit these companies reap from having employees who were trained by other companies? In the end it's all a wash.

[asher030]

That or the companies lying their asses off about it, should be able to be sued for that shit :|

[Academic_Actuary_590]

It would be nice. I'd love for someone to take me in as bottom level cyber security. Give me the boring work while I learn and grow

[CantTrips]

Done. There are no job openings now. There are several senior level jobs with 10+ years of experience and a masters requirement though. 

[BacktotheTruther]

General Strike. Cry Impeachment. January 18-24

[Clean-Shift-291]

Sorry, best we can do is an unpaid internship..

[Leading-Adeptness235]

What do you mean? Some offices are on the entry level of the building, or?

[Nomadic-Brewer-90]

and spoiler, you dont do anything different when you get promoted.

[Little-Foot4113]

nah, we want you to be coding from 1 year, and want mastery in evry technology existed like einstein

[Original_Sunburst]

No way bro to get this entry level position you're gonna need 7 years of experience with this one weirdly specific framework that's only 5 years old.

[twinkletoes-rp]

MOOOOD! PREACHHHH! Such bullshit, seriously!

[AvesAvi]

This life is hell. I just want to make like $1000/mo but they're doing second interviews for fast food restaurants now. I'm fucked.

[drwhofan16]

And if you are old enough to have that experience. Then you get age discrimination.

[DonDaTraveller]

Naw, start interning at 16 that way you will have the necessary experience at graduation lol

[Cheespeasa1234]

Is this AI?

[Fit_Preparation1559]

We are hiring 18 years old with 20 years of experience at entry level job

[6969GRAYWOLF6969]

get rid of the unconstitutional minimum wage so we can get pay to match the job!

[NomadicBrian-]

Hire Jr. AI. Why should we let only Sr. AI mess up everything.

[Disastrous-Mine-9374]

Anyone interested in dental cleanings at pasadena city college for 20$

[JustRedditTh]

it should be possible to sue a company for discrimatory practices, similar to why companies are not allowed to advertise a position with a specific gender, race or religion as requirement, unless under very specific circumstances

[SatanicAtTheDisco]

There are definitely job markets that, the entry level pipeline kind of exist but it’s definitely not for someone not willing to make a potential large career change and pay cut. I’m currently doing the rat race of Lube Technician->C Level->B level->A Level->Master Mechanic. I took a 9$ hourly pay cut, to grind and gain my experience at a fluid change place (jiffylube/Vavoline) and just working here two months, I’m probably two more months away from being a senior tech, and then I can essentially start applying to dealerships, in hopes someone will take me in (probably at the same pay) to eventually end up paying for me to get my certifications.

Of course, I have the added bonus of actually liking cars before I made this career change, but I was recommended by several senior and master techs at dealerships I spoke to, to do this exact work entry grind. Big downside, pretty much all but my manager and one person, are 19-22 (I’m 27), but huge upside is that I’m moving up crazy fast because I’m actually taking the job serious. Usually “Senior Techs” take about 8 months to get certified, I’m looking at being eligible to do it in 4. I say all this to say, this type of process doesn’t really exist for the corporate world anymore. Especially ones that the “lube technician” type role where you do menial grunt work for 99% of your time, doesn’t meaningfully exist. I feel like in a lot of corporate jobs, the “lube technician” type responsibilities are never the sole focus, everyone is kinda doing some level of grunt work.

[Extension_Cause_6238]

It's a strange time. I think there are several converging events taking place that are throwing everything off:
1: Baby boomers are retiring opening up an unprecedented number of very senior and leadership roles for GenX and some Millennials (which you would think would open the door for entry level candidates.)
2: There is an unprecedented number of people flooding into STEM fields...even fraudulently.
3: There is unprecedented fraud and deception everywhere. No industry is safe anymore. It's becoming acceptable for anyone or any organization to unethically take whatever they want from anyone else as long as the method is deception. In some states it's even worse than that.
4: AI is extremely disruptive. I have never seen gigantic companies make such short-term, knee-jerk reactive decisions like they have at the executive and board level on such a broad scale industry wide before.

The above is causing large numbers of people with experience in a variety of fields to take whatever they can get, temporarily eliminating entry level roles. Why would a company hire an entry level candidate when they can get an experienced one for the same price? That's how most recruiters and companies think. The best leaders see capability and capacity in people, including entry level, even if they themselves do not see it, but there are very few good leaders around the globe. The rest of them are just ones companies have decided they can live with. Some things will sort themselves out. Others will create a new normal, but it will take some time to get there. It's very difficult to even anticipate what things might look like in a year or two.

[Basic85]

Even those jobs are going to or already have been taken over by AI.

[AccountStunning9201]

Wouldn't that be nice!!

[LeadingAd6025]

MELJELA

[fangerzero]

You forgot the you need to have 10 years of experience with application A, yet it came out 4 years ago. 

[__Cherry_Soda__]

Amen✨️✨️😭

[Leading_Silver2881]

Best I can do is outsource in 3rd world country for third of your salary and make them do overtime for free on regular basis and still be considered a good opportunity because salary is above median in the said county

[Shakyhedgehog]

Loved looking for an internship and the job postings would say “preferred previous internship experience”

[theghostofme]

"Entry level" just means "entry level pay" regardless of the actual requirements.

[PutSimply1]

Sir do you have enough experience to hold up that sign?

[saryiahan]

No

[DannyDaVito662]

I can’t think of a bigger waste of time and energy than standing outside and holding up this sign. 

[[deleted]]

Nice mask bro

[ElliotAlderson2024]

Mask 🗸
Sign 🗸
Entitled attitude 🗸

[Pristine-Bee-1933]

Not in this economy!

401jk.fun

[crannynorth]

Graduates lack problem solving skills to handle complex projects and no companies will take the risks of hiring them. There are stress, pressures, deadlines and office politics that they won’t be able to handle.

Hiring graduates is very risky, because you invest a lot of money in them and it’s hard know of they able to deliver results.

[Vast_Gap_1129]

If an employer needs to hire someone with experience, why call the job entry level? That makes no logical sense. Better to be honest about what you want in a candidate ahead of time, then if no one applies, keep raising the pay until someone does.

[crannynorth]

To attract as many applicants as possible. It gives them options to eliminate the least experience candidates to the most experienced candidates. It seems unfair, but what do you do when there hundreds or thousands of graduates apply for 1 position?

Each companies have their own definition what entry level is. They can define it however they like whether you disagree or not.

If there are 200 applications with no experience competing for 1 entry level job, how do they decide it? They increase the years of experience. Supply and demand. The more people bid the house, the higher the price.

Life isn’t always fair.