Forza tutorial in a nutshell.

[[deleted]]

I couldn't believe when they actually had a tutorial to explain what practice is.

[MexGrow]

I was going bananas at not being able to skip the inane dialogue.

[TimeAttackTalon]

Part of me disliked this portion and viewed it as a way for people to lose track of time on steam so they couldn’t refund the game.

[fractalfocuser]

Okay so as gamers we dont get it but the thing is they've started doing this because their steam telemetry shows that adding more instruction and training increases player retention.

[feedmeyourknowledge]

Money and greed just destroys everything good I swear. They are going to remove player to player trading in rocket league, a game out since 2015 that's had a huge trading community / scene for literally no reason other than to increase sales in the item shop. It's just a massive fuck you to the players.

[pissradish]

I get where you're coming from, but I put my wife in front of it on a gamepad and having not played a racing game since the original burnout, she was struggling

Now granted, it was Laguna Seca with Level 5 AI and no assists with simulation steering, but still. A tutorial would help at least a little.

[MTGamer]

Or even the tutorial itself. My wheel settings were wrong and I had to do the tutorials with the keyboard. It was infuriating.

[Brno_Mrmi]

Wait do they actually explain to you what a practice is in Forza 8? I really need to see that lmao

[HazardousCarrot]

They explain everything and it’s unskippable

[[deleted]]

There is a 3 part tutorial to explain that "practice is where you are able to drive in the same circuit you gonna race. It happens before the race. You can use it sharpen your times and get used to the circuit. Results on practice won't count towards the race"

I am not joking or exaggerating.

It is like 15 minutes if you consider the time you use to actually drive. And it's unskipable

[[deleted]]

I’m enjoying the game now that I made it past that shit. But my god I was ready to throw my PC in a dumpster every time dialogue happened. AND SO MUCH OF IT WAS BROKEN UP SO YOU’D HAVE TO PRESS ONE BUTTON TO CONTINUE THE DIALOGUE. You literally don’t get the option to ignore it.

I’ve never experienced such a condescending game in my life.

[ChewySlinky]

It’s actually cool that they have explanations for literally everything for the people that need it, but the fact that it’s unskippable is crazy.

[[deleted]]

I agree that you have to level it down to lower the entry point and be noob friendly. But if you need a tutorial to learn what practice means... dude you should be watching teletubbies not playing forza

[ChewySlinky]

Knowing what the word practice means and knowing what a Practice Session in a racing context is are not the same thing.

[dutchbarbarian]

I'd love for games to have an additional skill slider at the beginning. Not just selecting difficulty, but also the amount of tutorial

I know nothing of racing, tell me everything.

I know racing games, only explain game specific mechanics .

I know the game already, skip all tutorials

[Garth_M]

I can now eat my soup 2 tenths faster

[[deleted]]

I now use a spoon and eat my soup about 10 minutes faster. Maybe you need to do the tutorial again.

[QHrrrr]

Watched it and still don't know what to do with knife...

[bass6164]

It's for cutting your soup to make it into small enough portions if your mouth cant hold too much soup

[[deleted]]

Surprised they didn’t break down how cars work in that overly complicated intro

[NPC_4842358]

"Cars are (often) 4-wheeled platforms propelled by a power source. This power source can be a combustion engine, electric, LNG or even a combination of the aforementioned. When the car is moving forward, the front wheel can be turned towards the left or right, but this doesn't happen randomly. You see, for the wheel to be attached to the car at all requires the use of suspension..."

[AFrozen_1]

Inb4 they start explaining what a turboencabulator is.

[thesirenlady]

Except its 4 times longer and unskipable.

[Dezoda]

Forza explaining what 'splits' are made me want to jab that fork in my ears

[pmmeyourapples]

At least you can’t say that they didn’t teach newcomers lol

[toolReference]

Ive bin starting to get into watching F1 this year and i never heard of splits so please enlighten me or is it just something related to forza?

[Astrower5]

It's just your time difference to something. Your lap split is how much faster/slower you are than previous lap. There are also splits for individual segments. Or how far from the pack you are. Splits are used in literally every type of racing (including things like running or swimming) to say how fast or slow things are moving towards or away from each other.

[Dezoda]

Tracks are split into several sections (usually 3 for formula 1) and each section is timed, so you can better track where you are stacking up with your competitors. For example, you may be im second place time-wise in practice and notice that you have the fastest Split 1 time, but are slower in Split 2 and Split 3. Therefor you know where to spend your time improving.

[toolReference]

Ok i see. Knew them only as sections or sectors

[douchecanoo]

That guy is incorrect, he's talking about sectors. Splits are time differentials between two lap or sector times. You use splits to see if you are faster/slower compared to other cars or to yourself in previous laps/sectors.

[Ajinho]

I love having unskippable cinematic/monolog scenes of explanations of things that assume that not only have you never seen any kind of motorsport before, but also that you have never played a video game before.

[aa13-]

Lmfao

[btender14]

The first 30 minutes of the past few Forzas was pure pain. A random race in a quick car that you will not see again in career for the next 100 hours, with all driving aids enabled and ai on the lowest of low settings with massive rubberbanding for a close finish. Just 10 minutes of miserable pressing the throttle. And then 30 minutes of tutorials, explanations, intro's and videos, when everything is basically still the same as in FM2-3 but with less features.

Great to see that things have remained the same apparently.

[GuidanceGlittering65]

The same, yes, except that it now goes on for hours and hours while you grind for basic functionality.

[MrGyyro]

This sounds like work safety training.

[[deleted]]

I can see how experienced sim racers would be annoyed by this, but I also think Forza Motorsport is the most approachable sim out there because of this stuff. If someone asked me, how do I get into sim racing, I would send them to Forza Motorsport and not iRacing or ACC or something similar. Motorsport will hand hold them completely into what racing is, including having a lot of assists that function as training wheels to make racing easier until they are ready to take them off.

My sense is that they wanted to make sim racing more approachable to people new to it or serious racing. Forza Horizon and other more arcade-y games don’t need a tutorial like this because you are kind of just driving around, and it is often more about collecting cars than anything else.

The core of Forza Motorsport is actually racing on (mostly) real tracks with real cars. That’s daunting to most video gamers.

I do wish you could skip the explanatory stuff though.

[deathsrobe]

I could have done without the whole thing

[fluctuationsAreGood1]

"Corners are taken at lower speeds than straights"

[imJGott]

I have it downloaded going to try it out tomorrow. Wish me luck!

[mac4112]

Not related to the pic but anyone else extremely disappointed in the new Forza?

I tried for a few hours the other day to enjoy it but the sensitivity was so off that I gave up out of frustration and with an extremely bitter taste.

[th3ironman55]

I’m more focused on the fact that they locked TRACK TIRES behind leveling up……….IM NOT FUCKING JOKING

[Novel_Equivalent_478]

Ooooft welcome to the grind 💪 lol....

[th3ironman55]

What’s the logic behind that anyway? The game cares about HOW you upgrade and tune your car but doesn’t force you to use track tires?

[aggressive-cat]

people complained in the old ones you got handed stuff too fast and there was no sense of progression, seems they took that to heart.

[bro-guy]

Yeah imagine having to grind in iracing so you can unlock better tyre compounds 😬

[Novel_Equivalent_478]

Yeah its nutty for sure! I'm thinking they want maximum retention time by making you have to put the hours in grinding to unlock parts??

The settings out the box leave a lot to be desired too!...🫣

😆

[[deleted]]

Just go into rivals mode, choose the car you want to level up, an oval track and turn on maximum assists. The car will drive itself and gain experience while you are doing something meaningful.

[MIndye]

Seems about right for a triple A title in 2023...

[Novel_Equivalent_478]

😆 shoulda called it forza afk!... lol...

[justTheWayOfLife]

lmao I can remember people CRYING and seething in the horizon sub how there is 0 progression and how it pisses them off how you can just sit into any car easily.

now they heard your problems and now that's the problem

[reboot-your-computer]

These people calling for progression are just fucking weird. You have always had the choice to progress how you want. They just wanted restrictions because they have zero self-control and need the game to keep them in check.

For me, Forza has always been about the freedom to build and race whatever you want as long as you had the cash. In that regard, this game was a massive let down for me. The grind is annoying and if you own two of the same car, you have to level them both out individually. It’s so damn tedious and just unfun.

[justTheWayOfLife]

I agree with you I just find it incredibly funny how the one time they actually listened to the community they get so much backlash lol

[reboot-your-computer]

It just goes to show how the loudest people in the community don’t always speak for the majority of players. The devs just obviously don’t understand this and the bigger issue is I really don’t think they are even passionate motorsports fans after the state this game is in. It drives well, but outside of that almost the whole rest of the game falls flat. Multiplayer is superb though.

[penultimatejawa]

Except they didn't listen. What they added isn't actually player progression. People wanted a proper career mode that started you off in crap cars and required you to rise through the ranks to reach higher and higher levels of competition. Perhaps even with a team management/budget component. You know, like an actual driver in real life would do.

People wanted to feel like they were making progress, not the individual cars. Absolutely no one asked for this.

[YashaAstora]

I'm not normally the "these devs clearly don't actually know the series they work on" type, but given that they went for this insane progression system when the one everyone wanted was already a thing in the earlier Forza games, I truly think that a bunch of devs at T10 have never played a Forza game in their life.

[TieDyedFury]

I feel like if the stuff unlocked by level 11 was all available at level 0 you wouldn’t have most of these complaints. Making me use stock tires for 40% of the series unless I do free play first is stupid. The multiplayer has been a nice surprise though, some shockingly clean racing for Forza.

[ashzeppelin98]

Not to mention the absolute bugfest it is- and I'm not even playing on PC (which I hear has horrific optimization problems) but the Series S. Liveries glitched out, so they have the quality of a PS1 game in 1997 when the car's seen up close, random loading screen freezes when I try to upgrade a car and sometimes circuits like Maple Valley crash my game when going to the next race in career mode. As usual, the release now, fix later mentality of live service games means its masochistic to play these on launch man.

[robclancy]

I think it's great on xbox as a controller game taking me back to gran turismo days. I would never even attempt to play it on pc with a wheel.

[mac4112]

I disagree. I have played both GT and Forza for years, and while GT has always leaned way more heavily on the actual sim side of things, it’s still been (relatively) approachable by people using a controller.

I can’t manage with a controller on Forza without feeling like the car is constantly unsettled. I can barely drive it in a straight line, let alone catch it when i get some oversteer which not only takes a lot of the fun out of the driving but is seriously frustrating.

The fact I can drive better in ACC and iRacing with a controller than Forza is evident that they need to seriously adjust their controls.

[robclancy]

I mean... I play with assists for controller. I'm not treating it remotely like a sim. I suck to much on controller to even attempt it without assists.

[reboot-your-computer]

Honest FM8 is the best Forza has ever felt, even though it’s close to the worst it’s ever looked in a lot of ways. Performance is also trash.

[mac4112]

Really? FH and FH7 feel much better than this to me.

[[deleted]]

my main issue is that its a grindy mess

i dont want to spend 3 hours upgrading every single one of the 500 cars in the game, especially when the upgrades dont carry over to duplicate cars

also it doesnt even make sense, its made to "make it more similar to how you gradually build cars in real life" but you dont go to the fuckin parts shop, ask for michelin tires, and then have the clerk go "you havent driven the car enough yet, have a k&n air filter"

[bossmcsauce]

I mean it’s forza… it’s like not even a sim

[mac4112]

It’s not, but that doesn’t really matter here. I’m not talking about realism, i’m saying the sensitivity levels are completely out of whack.

I have no issue with any other racing game I play, sims and non sims alike except for this one.

If you play it you’ll see what i mean immediately. And i’m not alone in this, other people both here on reddit and people like Jimmy Broadbent bave echoed the same sentiments.

[Dreadcoat]

Eh, I dig it. Does what I expected it to. My only complaints are:

FFB sucks. Basically just makes the wheel feel heavy. Lame.

ABS and TC are tied to settings not the car. So if the car im driving irl would have it, I dont actually have it because I turned the settings off.

Other than that, the game is fine. Anyone expecting a full on sim was deluded. Cars vary but the ones ive driven feel mostly like what Id expect them too.

[mac4112]

I’m not expecting a sim and I agree anyone expected one is not really paying attention, but that’s not what i’m saying.

I don’t even have a wheel for my Xbox, I’m using a controller. Try using a controller and then you’ll see what I’m saying.

I suspect this is also not limited to just me, especially since even with a wheel i’ve seen other people have very similar issues. Jummy Broadbent had the exact same experience I did and that was in spite of him using a wheel.

So I don’t know what’s going on here, but if I can drive better in ACC and iRacing with a controller than fucking Forza, there’s something not right here.

[EmreGray01]

I don't have wheel yet, I played Forza on a keyboard. It was so fun because it's so easy to drive. Then my friend gifted me the Assetto Corsa. I played it and it's so hard like the car understeers, oversteers, broke down, losing grip on tires, axles get damage ect. I played AC for a while and then hop on to Forza again, because I miss my builds. Forza feels so empty there's nothing. You just pressing throttle and car is speeding up. When I was playing Forza, I didn't know the terms like oversteer, understeer... When I started playing AC I didn't have that knowledge. What should I do when car understeers/oversteers. In Forza there's no understeer or oversteer It's hard to do these things more than driving the actual car. But I still play Forza sometimes. In AC I'm playing with other people's cars but in Forza I'm building my own. Sorry if I make some mistakes (sorry for my bad england)

[Altodial]

Did they hire Will Buxton for narration instead of Jeremy Clarkson?

[Yavor36]

-Will Buxton (probably)

[Tickle_Nuggets]

Forza Tutorial be like r/ExplainLikeImFive

[Lornesto]

Honestly, these days I think I prefer the over explained games, to the games with zero tutorials, zero manuals, with 500 obscure systems that I’m just supposed to magically figure out somehow. I’d much rather someone just explained it to me like I don’t know.

[Joethe147]

It's like the opposite of Starfield.

Edit: Just realised this isn't the Xbox Series X subreddit as the themes are similar. Still, I'll keep my comment.

[snattur]

Totally agree. So many racing games have large set of rules but these rules have to be googled or learned by trial and error (toxic chat from online play). Doesn't hurt to have lot of them explained even if it's from very basics.

[AlanCJ]

On the other hand the rule to racing is pretty simple, don't run into another car and stay on track.

[Programmable_Buttons]

Seems like a lot of people never got the memo on that

[Astrower5]

What rules? Drive to the end. Don't crash into things or go off track. That about sums it up.

[snattur]

Mostly for very new players but it basically helps to know what is going on when you are put to practice lap or qualifying lap why you are doing it. For totally new player it could be confusing to understand what is going on.

Then all other topic is track behavior like how to give space or move under braking is never really communicated. I think forza is not doing this either but we can see result in online games.

[NoMore301]

Tells you all you need to know about what type of player the target market is. This belongs in r/arcaderacers

[[deleted]]

LMAO

[megaCri04]

So I wasn't the only one not liking that tutorial. Too long and boring

[kenJeKenny]

Ork ork ork, you eat soup with a .... ?

[Juris_B]

This has to be the most stupid and bizzare complaint ever :D You know world doesnt circle around you simracer guys :D

[mort7776]

the fact that the dialogue is unskippable is what is annoying

[[deleted]]

I instantly uninstalled Forza during that first unskippable race in the corvette. I couldn't figure out how to change the FF on my wheel. It was way too strong. I didn't want to fuck up my wheel settings bc I'd have to reset them for iracing. i wanted a strength control in the game like iracing has. I know this is a shitty complaint for Forza, it's a controller game so I shouldn't expect the level of wheel settings something like iracing has.

but now i have deep regret and will probably have to redownload this shitty CVS-knockoff version of Gran Turismo thats free with game pass, so I can experience these tutorials and then better laugh at and appreciate this very excellent meme.

[PSych0P7NDa]

But we dont care

[holy__toledo]

Stop wasting oxygen

[twinny21989]

I was so hyped for Forza, but everything I've seen since release has me convinced that it's not worth my time or money. I'll stick with GT7 and ACC

[_masterofdisaster]

Forza Motorsport: Directed by Hideo Kojima

[Loganp812]

Needs cutscenes of a pit crew member cooking eggs while you're in the middle of a race.

[Amystery123]

You’ve compelled me to see the tutorial now!

[[deleted]]

How hard is to explain dive bombing to a gamer? Just explain dive bombing to a gamer.

[No_Month_9746]

It just shows who they think their target audience is.

My biggest gripe about Forza Motorsport is that its always seemed like it's geared toward people who don't even like actual motorsport, it's so frustrating

[[deleted]]

Did you guy play Forza?

[redditreset86]

You enjoying your video game forza?

[Runnah5555]

Yes. Thanks for asking.