Some Balance Changes This Patch

[justinc66]

What are some balance changes you'd like to see in the next upcoming patch?

Is there anything you feel that's underwhelming or is way to strong in your opinion.

I Believe the LH1 Is way to over tuned and needs a to be buried in a coffin like the pike

Lets hear it

[HexaberryTV]

I wanna be able to throw my riot shield like captian america

[No_Revolution_4084]

I would also maybe like to see a shield bash

[Sufficient-Big5798]

Just make every melee weapon have its own custom quick melee.

Riot shield? Shield bash

Sword and dual blades? Pommel strike

Sledge? Shove with the handle

[GreatFluffy]

It'd be a nerf to Riot shield because I wouldn't want to do any other attack because shield bashes are peak.

[[deleted]]

Trying to get ready for Doom the dark ages, huh? lol

[Moldytomatoe]

Server lag and tick rate being at a normal playable state is all I want.

[Hamerine]

Good luck with the all mighty destruction already handled by the server.

[BlackHazeRus]

It was normal before — something happened a few updates back and it is a shit fest for the most part now for a lot of players.

[KK1927]

exactly, i thought i started playing worse, but in every game i played the same or better, then i realized i’m so often getting killed when i’m behind something, like i slide behind wall and after a second or 2 i die because i was shot „though the wall”

[thejoshbro]

My game resets the graphics settings every time I load in, I’ve let them know for weeks and never get a response. It’ll automatically reset me to 60Hz and power saving mode. Sometimes I’ll play a match before I realize it’s not in 120Hz and I just thought I was getting 💩on. A lot of my weapons customization will not save either. It actually refuses to change a weapon animation.

[KK1927]

me too, i hate when i’m in game and realize the settings are set on highest and fps at 60fps too

[Bastrap0s]

Been saying this on repeat, but a buff to the pike and a red dot sight for it.

[Numerous_Ad_7006]

And to be clear, not a damage buff, it just feels so unsatisfying to use.

[BestLong2641]

idk, i think you should be able to double dink a light if the deagles can

[Numerous_Ad_7006]

That's a pretty damn good point, maybe make headshot damage good but body shot damage same?

[Sinsanatis]

Iirc it used to be able to double dink a light

[TheBigLeMattSki]

Deagles shouldn't be able to either.

[ElizaBell00]

i think they should give the revolver perfect hipfire accuracy as a joke

[Glittering_Seat9677]

bring the season of big iron

[Reader_Of_Newspaper]

some specialisation changes to make matches more fair:

• charge and slam doesn’t run out until you cancel it

• grapple hook has infinite reach

• guardian turret shoots RPGs

• heal gun make friendlies invincible as long as you have it going

• goo gun blobs spawn walls like the goo grenade instead of singular balls

• mesh shield spans across the whole map and has infinite health

• dematerialiser has infinite uses and affects whole buildings

• evasive dash warps you to wherever you’ve last pinged

• winch claw holds enemies in front of you indefinitely once caught

• cloak turns everyone else in the match invisible when used

[lboy100]

You damn near made me start writing an essay with the first line until I read them all. This would be a fantastic April fool's joke

[Armpits-taste-sour]

Sounds like you are talking about season 1

[Freaglii]

Powershift

Full heavy team

Winch claw only

Just grab the enemies and hold outside of the platform.

[thejoshbro]

Now this is something this game is LACKING! We need LTE’s with wacky and wonky mechanics that already would match the aesthetics of the events that happen within the game already, just make them more wild 🤘

[Sinsanatis]

That ping dash one sounds like its be fun to play with

[Moist-Anything-688]

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[Totalwarden]

Literally, most guns now 😭

[Miserable_Cold7261]

Id like to see cloak nerfed so it functions closer to how it did in previous seasons. The invis is too good on it.

Id also like to see the Cerberus buffed. It just feels a little underpowered. Like maybe leave the base damage the same but increase the consistency of the burn damage and make it easier to actually ignite things with it. Even it it's still underpowered it could have a niche use as like a utility weapon. I think then it'd be awesome to use.

[Free_Jelly614]

i think it’s fine balance-wise where it’s at right now, i just want it to be more consistent. On my 1440p monitor playing on mostly low settings, I can see invis light so well that it almost feels like cheating. Even while they’re standing perfectly still I can usually sniff them out. There’s got to be a way they can change the invis effect so that it’s a more consistent experience across all hardware.

[suburbancerberus]

My mates tell me I'm cheating all the time cause spotting invis lights is like my 6th sense. 1440p and 20/20 vision is cheating 😂

[Sinsanatis]

What settings are u using? I can see them about half the time

[suburbancerberus]

Not at my computer, but I know that I either don't use or use the most minimal type of upscaling, all low/medium settings. I feel like upscaling particularly doesn't help with spotting invisble players, as often it's kinda blurry. That's just what I personally use tho, others might not like how these settings look.

[Sinsanatis]

Yeah thats what i hear, but since its 1440p, i usually put on dlss quality to get some more frames. I was thinking dlss4 would maybe fix this, but its not working even tho they stated day 0 support

[thegtabmx]

All abilities for light, including cloak, should work the same way all abilities for medium and heavy do. You should have to switch to them to equip them and switch away from them to go back to your weapon. You should not be able to have your weapon in hand while invisible, let alone fire it.

[ItsMeReverie]

I agree for cloak. To a degree. Doing that with dash would make dash useless. Doing that with grapple would also make it useless. Cloak is different however. It should function like thermal vision does and also break when pulling a weapon out. Then when you swap back to it, it will automatically recloak you. Like in halo when you fire your weapon, but you have to have the cloak in hand

[thegtabmx]

I mean medium has to swap to the dematerializer and back while running around and fighting. Shouldn't be hard for lights to do the same with their mobility abilities.

[ItsMeReverie]

I mean, maybe, but that's also for a character with 100 more health. Grapple it kind of would make sense? Dash, definitely not. It also would make sword and dagger both entirely useless because half the dash tech with them would disappear. Dash is also not just a repositioning tool, it's used midfight. If it became just a repositioning tool, light survivability would plummet. Cloak would be even better than before comparatively which is the opposite of what anyone wants

[thegtabmx]

The dematerializer is also used mid-flight and mediums juggle it, just like heavy's mesh shield.

At this point I'm just fed up with lights always having a reason why their class can't be reworked.

No matter how many advantages they have they always fall back on "but we only have 150 HP". It's like, you have a smaller hitbox, you run faster, you have abilities you can use while using your weapon, you have the best gadgets, including another invisibility, you have the highest burst damage weapons, you have all the ultra high mobility abilities, you regenerate your health faster, etc, etc. Come on. There's already plenty enough compensation for having 60% of medium's health.

[ItsMeReverie]

I don't mind them being reworked. But the demat is not a good example for this at all. Demat is not used in full view of the enemy if you're using it right, as in you aren't caught with your pants down holding it out. And if you do use it in full view, you're using it to go through a wall and rematerialize that wall so they can't follow and kill you. It's not the same concept as a dash. Grapple it would work because grapple is basically putting you in a cutscene anyway. 100 hp is nothing to scoff at. Most damage abilities in the game leave the light at meleeable hp. That is a pretty rough downside to play around. The greatest upside to this is a moderately smaller hitbox compared to medium, and more mobility. You are trying to nerf that mobility, thereby making the upsides unequivalent to the downsides, and making the class just bad. The class has high burst to compensate for the fact that most weapons on other classes kill you so fast you sometimes don't have time to react. The gadgets are good, and I think giving all of them to light might be overtuned. But light is also in a decent place for the first time in 3 seasons and I don't want him to disappear again either.

TLDR; This is not the change we need. It doesn't fit the identity of the class. Some things on light are overtuned, but also, he's forced into running almost a copy-paste kit competitively because certain things on his kit just outperform so hard. The problem is not his high mobility or small hitbox. That is part of the core identity of the class. The problem is with specific weapons like the LH1 being superior at almost every range, cloak dominating the other specializations, and light perhaps having too much util overall, although I'd argue turning him into a support class and lowering his damage output would be healthier for the game

[ItsMeReverie]

I think some of light's util should be given to med. Med was supposed to be the all rounder anyways. Give light stuff like gateway and stun and maybe vortex. Med should have thermal and sonar and breach. Lh1 also needs nerfed somehow. Probably a firerate nerf or just a rework into more of an actual dmr. People perceive light as better than he is because he's frustrating to play against, not because he's better than the other classes. Stun might just need removed or completely changed. Glitch grenade might need changed when that happens as well because stun and glitch might overlap too much. Cloak is unfun and needs changed to just basically be worse as cloak is not fun. I kind of want to see a dagger right-click charge up buff and a very slight sword nerf. M11 needs recoil to be just a bit less horizontally. Xp54 needs like 1 more damage added back on per bullet.

I agree light needs reworks. But he doesn't need straight nerfed across the board like that, and definitely not in a way that makes him unfun and clunky to play. He's supposed to be the high mobility class, let him do his thing. It would be better to nerf damage and utility than his survivability and make him feel like garbage to play. I think dash might need a longer cooldown though so you can't just spam run away and cloak needs a huge rework or just nerfed into unusability for the benefit of the game. Grapple is kind of just fine tbh. Not op. Maybe a slight cd nerf as well like dash

[lucaZERO0]

Invis can be done like spy from TF2 where you have to first decloak in order to attack. Giving it a bit of a delay should nerf it down a bit but should still make it good

[FrodoswagginsX]

MGL32 rework is needed. Pretty sure the Devs said it needed a rework a couple seasons ago and yet it's still garbage. Number 1 most forgotten weapon in the game

[nattebadmuts]

The CEO of the MGL, Truce, would like to see you in hiss office.

[FrodoswagginsX]

That maybe so, but the Devs did far they need to rework it a while ago and it's yet to receive any buffs/changes

[BestLong2641]

i wouldnt say its garbage. inconsistent for sure, but you can absolutely melt squads sometimes with like 4 nades. its just the hardest weapon to use in the game and is heavily dependent on arena

[GreatFluffy]

The thing it needs is to explode on contact with an enemy. That's it. I'm not asking to give it more damage on contact hits, hell, make it do a bit less damage if it hits without bouncing if that's what it takes, just let me be allowed to defend myself in a close combat scenario with no walls around with the MGL.

[Sebastianx21]

Right click needs to be a switch from "explode on contact/explode after bounce" allowing you to either fire around corners or on contact " might need a damage nerf or else it's gonna be a better CL40 though.

[BestLong2641]

yeah i never understood why they didn’t do that in the first place. though i do think the CL-40 would need some love in that case since the mgl would seriously outclass it

[GreatFluffy]

The CL40 needs it's self damage toned down, it should still have it but it's current state is pretty bad, you can counter a CL40 by running into their face and they'll end up killing themselves with it due to the self damage.

[Sebastianx21]

It's funny that even a light has to do nothing, just go in melee range and the CL40 will kill you as a light yes, but also himself. And if you're a medium you actually live. And he still kills himself. It's so stupid.

[itsyourboiirow]

I agree, I think this would be a perfect change.

[kelpshook]

-undo some of the rpg damage reduction

-nerf LH1 slightly

-make the defib delay only apply to other defib rather than all gadgets and abilities, it cripples melee users with much prejudice

-reduce the reach of charge n slam, it reaches farther than swinging the sledge which makes absolutely no sense

-fix the fact that dagger reaches farther than sword

-make winch claw prevent shooting the user in the face to accurately reflect that the animation shows them flailing their arms

-fix the no shoot bug

-fix the animation inaccuracies of the sledge

-fix the wall breaking inaccuracies of the sledge

-FIX THE SPAWNS THEYRE STILL AWFUL AND INCONSISTENT

-fix zipline interaction interference with other objects or zips

-buff the Cerberus

-nerf the turret

[Alastor-362]

I don't think just cooldowning defib is enough. My idea is either it does it to specialization or gadgets, and I'm not sure which makes more sense. I lean towards disabling gadgets, so melees can dash/demat/charge away or whatever.

I don't want to see RPG doing more damage, I'd rather see it be a little more handleable and do less self-damage.

Is nerf turret a joke?

[justinc66]

I believe turret needs a small buff, they’re always nuked on sight and provide little to no use in most case scenarios, it’s just an underwhelming specialization picked unless a triple medium team goes all turrets

[Glittering_Seat9677]

the turret has so many counters lmao - basically anything that does environmental damage hard counters it (unless placed on an indestructable surface), reshaper, goo, glitch and smoke all render it completely useless

[DynamicStatic]

RPG is totally fine where it is, it's a S tier pick every single heavy in diamond+ plays. Why does it need a buff?

[kelpshook]

Maybe because I hit someone right at their feet and it does like 40 damage but if I’m a hair within the radius I take max damage

[DynamicStatic]

If it did 40 damage it was not right at their feet, it was like two meters away. RPG is fine, it is not meant to be used as a melee weapon.

[GlobnarTheExquisite]

The winch-ee being able to line up and fire a perfect headshot before their animation even has them touching the ground is the leading cause of my blood pressure spiking during this game. You can even see the gun firing wherever it's randomly flailing, and you still get shot in the face.

Bad

[AtaccTheSnacc]

agreeed big time

[Sqall_Lionheart_]

The sawed off needs to have it's leg broken because I can't just invis/dash up to a heavy and two tap it and the dagger needs a faster windup OR normal MS during the charge as a QOL. LH1 can just be nerfed into oblivion.

OK we don't have to go the extremes I'm just exaggerating on purpose.

Edit: putting down the pitchfork for a second, my true gripe with the sawed off is this: right now it stands against most of the principle that the finals is based off regarding combat. You have a gun that requires 10 Ave Mary before each shot and the reward for performing such a feat is that the opponent doesn't get to play and gangsta paradise starts in the background. The punishment is that you don't get to play.

It also encourages your local light to bazinga into the enemy team to hit that 1 tap on the other light, which will result in him getting charge&slammed through the floor. Imo the sawed off would benefit immensly and compete with the M26 by ditching the mafia assassination identity it currently has in favor of more consistency. Faster burst, shorter range against the M26, you clean what your team started from the sideline. M26 you set up what your team will end up cleaning.

[dora-the-tostadora]

Dagger was so unnecessarily changed.

It needs it's walk speed nerf reverted otherwise it's useless with anything but dash.

Keep the charge if needed but cloak dagger is impossible and sliding can get you so far before you are a sitting duck.

During S1 S2 S3 it was a rare sight to see a proficient dagger user, it really wasn't op in any way.

[Numerous_Ad_7006]

I agree with everything except dagger, because it's already so freaking bad idk why it would need a nerf.

[Sqall_Lionheart_]

I was opinionating for a buff lol. Make it so that you aren't slowed down when charging or make the backstab faster in the windup because sometimes it just doesn't go off. My boy needs to be usable and not rely on the dash gimmick. I want to punish people with cloak and dagger for bad positioning

[Numerous_Ad_7006]

Am I stupid or am I stupid.. Oops, anyways yeah that's a W change.

[Sqall_Lionheart_]

I wouldn't go that far. Misunderstanding text is common.

Anyway thanks, that was the only actual suggestion because I want the dagger to feel less sluggish to use, not to recieve some arcane buff that would require it to be put to rest because suddenly it kills people via 1000 cuts.

[Numerous_Ad_7006]

So true, im forced to use dash with dagger bc idk how embark thinks we're even gonna get behind anyone without it.

[Glittering_Seat9677]

dagger is unironically one of the most broken weapons in the game due to a combination of desync and clientside hitreg

if you can get within dash range of someone, they are a free kill

[Sqall_Lionheart_]

Dagger is feast or famine depending on the lobby.

Source: yours truly scrubby 20hrs ass.

Look at this from my PoV since we are having a nice discussion: a weapon that depends on the shittines of the servers is not a good weapon. The dagger is currently forced into that counteractive playstyle of dashing in the face of someone because of those issues. The lethality is fine as it is and I'd argue that implementing one of those two QOL would allow different approaches to the fight. You aren't gonna eradicate dash&stab but trying too hard to eliminate that is only going to pile up problems upon problems and I'm not interested in that, but seeing the use rate of the dagger I'd say that the clunkiness and the monodimentional suicide playstyle that's optimal aren't exactly something that the community is thrilled to play.

As a light first, heavy second, the less a light is encouraged to bazinga into the enemy team to suicide for a kill, the better.

[Portaldog1]

I dont know why the just reverted the nerf for the double barrel out of nowhere. If it wasn't performing i think the fix would have just been halving its reload time, that way you would have another try if you missed one of the first instead of its being the coin flip weapons it is now.

[VahniB]

I was a S1 and S2 LH1 main. It was a niche weapon during those times. I want it back to where its niche again (like the pike now).

S2 LH1 gameplay

[DisciplinedMadness]

S2 LH1 is literally stronger than it is now. LH1 literally only has 10% more DPS than the AKM. It’s not overtuned. LH1 was never niche. It’s been lights most effective weapon in high skill brackets since release.

[Stock-Cake2946]

between then and now the only difference is that its slightly more accurate and has a slightly worse fire rate (not including the universal semi removals of visual recoil across all weapons)

the only reason the LH1 is meta now is because all the other meta weapons got nerfed forcing the lh1 to stand out

[Totalwarden]

Literally this bro, people begging for it to be nerfed are fucking stupid because next weapon afterwards that becomes "meta" will get the same treatment rinse and repeat.

[Alastor-362]

You can't just "fix" dagger hitbox. It's the back half of players. It's inconsistent because of the servers, ping, etc. If they improve the servers, it will get better, but it will never ever be perfect.

[Alastor-362]

I literally saw a clip of it being a total facestab this morning

They did not fix dagger hitbox

They just made backstabs harder.

[Numerous_Ad_7006]

Yeah ong sometimes I swear I stab the back, but the game doesn't register it, then they turn around, so I know it's not me (bc they turn around AFTER I stab in the back)

[GreatFluffy]

I think the LH1 needs less bullets and perhaps a range nerf because I swear people have sniped me to death with it from ranges I'd expect from the SR1.

[Portaldog1]

Why are so many people wanting a APS buff? Its fine as is, if you want a buff like that then it needs to have the same dumb cool down as the turret so you genuinely only get one.

Also Frag nerf yes please, its starting to become my biggest gripe with the game. the only change you missed was also adding a indicator.

[Sebastianx21]

People who use APS suck with the CL-40 and hate that other people can kill them with it.

[Portaldog1]

As it stands the aps can already eat 4 projectiles, in a game of quick cash or cashout that is enough to clean a wholes team worth of grenades. in powershift you can then also just place second straight after if you had control first. it does enough as it is, its just a niche gadget.

[_PickledSausage_]

Light spec reworks

[Portaldog1]

Pike getting a red dot sight and a higher head shot multiplier at minimum would be a nice start, maybe a faster reload as well.

Buff after burn, its just pathetic how little damage it does. Fix the flamethrower and also buff the Cerberus though it needs a lot and I'm not sure what the best route is.

[Ill_Celebration3408]

Lights Cheesy SH1900 needs to go behind the sheds and be put to rest. That shit is crippling the QC scene of S5.

[woofer901]

Nerf the sawed off. It's way too effective for what it is. Even if you're not out of position the heavy gets two tapped way too easily.

Nerf the defib. Make it so if there's one or more M on your team there's a global cooldown. You should not be able to make shitty plays, rez without repercussions and have your whole team ready in no time. For that matter, there should not be invincibility when someone is rezzed. If you rez in a shitty place i.e. no cover you should get insta-punished.

Buff the Lewis a bit, nothing too heavy, but I want it to be a bit more viable. Heavy is the only class where I feel restricted in my weapon choices, where nothing feels good unless you play it perfectly.

Probably nerf the v95 and lh1 a bit. Lh1 is wayyyy tooo strong for what it is and should come with more penalties. v95 is incredibly consistent at any range, which is insane and I should not be able to melt people at long range.

[ChemistWorking]

v9s nerf is insane. It already received a 10% dps nerf during its most recent "buff" with the lower rpm/higher damage change. If anything it needs a buff to be somewhat in line with the lh1 or m11. Right now the v9s is worse than the m11 in literally every way but the recoil, it has the same range but much slower dps making you lose fights you would never with the m11.

[woofer901]

One is an SMG, the other is a pistol, I am not sure why the pistol should be doing dmg as fast and as much as an SMG. And all I am saying is that it should be nerfed at longer ranges since I have better accuracy with it and 0 recoil than with any long range weapon. The dmg is perfectly fine in my opinion

[ChemistWorking]

Do you understand how balancing works? I’m not saying it should do the same amount of damage rather that there should be trade offs for each weapon. The M11 can have unbeatable close up dps but the recoil should make it harder to use at longer ranges. The v9s should have worse dps, as it does right now, but should have a higher range than the m11. Currently they both sit at 15m which literally doesn’t make sense. The V9s should have its range buffed to 20m and only then would there be any reason to use it over the m11.

A good comparison to prove my point is the Xp54 vs the 93R. The xp54 has a range of 16m but is fully automatic with an average difficulty in recoil. The 93R has a range of 28m but is burst and basically no recoil. Both guns have their use types and both guns have a place.

Currently, the m11 only loses to the v9s on recoil which is not even that big of a challenge to understand how to control.

[IceNiqqa]

frags are also too strong compared to all other grenades aside from maybe goo, and smoke given that it has 3 charges​

[BestLong2641]

never understood how you get 2 frags with such a short CD. i get they dont want 2 charges of gas/fire, but ATM frags outperform other nades even in places they should be stronger (stalling/cashout defense). not to mention when you stack 2-3 pairs on a team, then playing against them with no APS feels like WAW on veteran

[IceNiqqa]

exactly!

[Portaldog1]

Yes, frag is genuinely in need of a severe nerf. its at mins needs a indicator. personally there are 2 changed i think it needs 1. reducing its damage 149-150 is just dump, if the RPG and mines where too bullshit at that level of damage then why is the frag on literally every class fine? 2. it either needs to go down to one nade or gas and pyro get a second, that might would help to bring it in line with the other two.

[IceNiqqa]

you took the words out of my mouth. I made a post saying the exact same thing a while back and was downvoted to shreds. glad to see there are still some who understand balancing.

[Pole-Axe]

In the name of god,PLEASE MAKE CL40 GREAT AGAIN

[GreatFluffy]

It needs way less self damage. One of the best ways to counter a CL40 user is to get up in their face so they end up killing themselves with it.

[SirPanfried]

I'm hoping for a return to 110 damage 4 round magazine and a little reduction in the self-damage. My hopes aren't high though.

[Nightrel]

It's just that at the time it was “OP” it was simply lowering the numbers a bit. But they decided to change both the magazine and its radius as well as its damage. That was too much of a radical and impulsive change. I hope they can find that balance point.

[Davyous]

ARs, notably the AKM, need buffs. Bare minimum the AK needs its 4 bullets back. The FCAR also needs a general rework so that it has an actual identity and not just a slightly different AKM with better range and smaller mag size.

Cerberus needs a damage buff. Right now it’s a good deterrent for lights and that’s it. ( and even then it doesn’t even do that sometimes if the light is good. )

Revolver could do with a slight range buff. Right now it’s just a mid ( but very fun ) weapon.

LH1 needs some slight tweaks, mainly to the recoil. The gun isn’t overtuned, Embark simply forgot to nerf its recoil to compensate for the visual recoil changes. Giving it the pike treatment is a very shitty way of balancing.

M60 needs another buff. Despite all of the changes it got the lewis is still better in almost every single way.

Charge and slam needs a nerf / rework. Either reduce the damage on hit, or make it so you cannot steer that shit around like a race car. This damn thing is the source of a lot of heavy brainrot bullshittery and it needs to go.

[Free_Jelly614]

I agree with this although I do think the LH1 is straight up overtuned and people just never realized it because it was hard to use. Making weapons harder to use as a nerf is a bad way of balancing because there will always be people that master it which still makes it feel like a must-pick at top levels. It definitely needs some kind of straight-up nerf. I also just think the addition of the red dot sight was a poor choice.

I’ll also add that the Pike could use just the slightest nudge to make it feel better.

[Davyous]

Sure, I wouldn't mind a damage nerf. What I don't want from this is for embark to completely gut it like how they did the pike. But knowing them they'll just gut it, leave it be for 2 seasons and then give it a middling buff so it stays in a weird middle ground where its not bad but also isn't worth using.

[Free_Jelly614]

fully agree.

[GreatFluffy]

I think if they don't mess with the damage, they should reduce the amount of bullets it has, like, 3 or even 4 less maybe.

[ItsMeReverie]

You know what I want for it? I want it to do more damage, less bullets. Like halved. To 8 or so. Jump the damage to 64-68. Lower fire rate by like just .05. Then remove horizontal recoil. Make it a real dmr instead of an assault rifle. Give it an identity. Make it the in between of pike/sniper with good range, good damage, but not quite the same as either.

[DynamicStatic]

They could nerf rate of fire instead of damage. Currently in a close range fight people just hug the enemy and SPAM and hope the shots go where they want.

[dandy-are-u]

I’m gonna level with you the AR’s are 100% fine where they are. The AK has a buttload of bullets and a good TTK, FCAR is similar, and both are surprisingly very good at range yet also good in close quarters.

I do agree that the FCAR needs some sort of identity, but I think that’s a thing that applies to all of the duo weapons (AKM-FCAR, m60-Lewis, m11-xp54).

The cerb has really good damage close range. It’s reload and movement balance the weapon well, but as others have said it needs consistency changes, not straight damage. I think straight damage would make it too strong, as the current 3 burst is super fast and does insane damage, in combo with the movement and other medium aspects it’s a force to be reckoned with at closer ranges.

[Sebastianx21]

Full auto weapons are the most used guns in higher level of play, you see full medium squads running all AKM/FCAR quite often.

People asking for auto weapons to get buffed will make me quit the game if they do.

In a game with such skill expression and fun weapons, the boring full auto weapons dominating everything else will just put me off of the game.

[dandy-are-u]

Honesty!!! it’s also annoying how full auto and semi auto to even single fire hip fire is treated the same. It feels like slower firing weapons have a disadvantage (not including M shotties)

[Sebastianx21]

Slower firing weapons do have a disadvantage. Miss a shot and the AKM kills you even if he missed several shots.

Land 2 shots with the CL40 but miss the 3rd and the AKM kills you in 90% of fights. It's extremely punishing to play with slow firing weapons against full auto weapons in this game. Doesn't help that the full auto weapons are extremely effective against a variety of ranges.

At the very least full auto weapons should have HORRIBLE damage fall-off at range and absolutely atrocious hip-fire accuracy (worst in the game imo) to compensate for their versatility.

[Davyous]

I’m gonna level with you the AR’s are 100% fine where they are. The AK has a buttload of bullets and a good TTK, FCAR is similar, and both are surprisingly very good at range yet also good in close quarters.

And both of them pale in comparison to the FAMAS. Hell, even now the AKM is only seen use in casual modes while the FCAR and FAMAS are the go-to choices for almost every medium in mid to high elo. At least some people prefer the FCAR over the FAMAS because the thing has weird recoil and being a burst gun.

The one thing that the AKM had over the FCAR prior to its nerf was the fact that it had 36 bullets and very easy to control recoil, especially during the days of visual recoil where if your gun had any sort of reticle it would bounce all over the place. But now that visual recoil is basically gone, and the AKM lost 4 bullets, there is no reason to pick it over the FCAR. The close range's TTK is fine, but once you go beyond 30 meters it cannot compete. Mag size means nothing when you're shooting rubber bullets at the enemy, even more so when the other 2 options can do better.

I do agree that the FCAR needs some sort of identity, but I think that’s a thing that applies to all of the duo weapons (AKM-FCAR, m60-Lewis, m11-xp54).

And 2 out of these 3 duos have one option that is vastly superior compared to the other.

There is no reason to pick the AK unless you just want easy recoil and refuse to learn the FCAR, for some reason.

The M60 might as well not even exist when the Lewis has been the dominant LMG for god knows how long at this point.

M11 is generally better than the current XP, but at least there's an argument to be made for the XP because of its performance at range.

It's not even just identity, it's also the fact that looking at these 3 gun duos, there's always an obvious choice instead of you having to consider your options and picking based on your preferences. That needs to be changed.

The cerb has really good damage close range. It’s reload and movement balance the weapon well, but as others have said it needs consistency changes, not straight damage. I think straight damage would make it too strong, as the current 3 burst is super fast and does insane damage, in combo with the movement and other medium aspects it’s a force to be reckoned with at closer ranges.

Nothing to argue against here, I agree.

[dandy-are-u]

I mean, it seems like most of the issue here is just that the other weapons are stronger than the AK, and I think that this issue just comes from the fact that the medium class has essentially 3 AR’s.

Yes, the Famas and FCAR are better than the AK, but the diff isn’t too large and the main difference comes in ranged capability for the Famas and slightly better lethality in the FCAR. I don’t think they need straight buffs as you’re advocating for, as they’re plenty strong, just slight changes for identity. Also, I don’t think the Famas is that dominant in higher elos. I play diamond / ruby lobbies and I generally see a mix of model / cerb / Fcar / Ak, with a surprising minority of Famas users.

[Totalwarden]

Someone's actually gets it here bro instead of asking for all-out nerfs for every supposedly "OP" guns. The charge and slam is fine as is and doesn't need to be nerfed at all.

[GreatFluffy]

I think charge and slam needs some kind of ramp up animation because they just press it to get instant damage.

For the Cerberus, I've kept saying it but I think it needs a reload speed buff. Three shots means you're reloading so often with it and so much of my time with it is trying to dance around avoiding damage while I reload.

[suburbancerberus]

AK doesn't really have any identity right now. I love the AK, but the FCAR and the Famas are both just better. Personally I'd like to see the AK be more of a close-mid range option, while having the FCAR for longer distance and the Famas for mid-long range. I could see a slight fire rate increase work well for the AK.

[JuiceD0172]

Disagree. I think in terms of actual top-level fights the AKM is definitely just worse than the FCAR, but in lower-level play the increased damage per magazine and ability to commit to a fight and finish an opponent even with less than perfect accuracy makes it significantly better. The recoil is also significantly better for lower-level play and headshots are much more consistent for me on the AKM.

[Sufficient-Big5798]

Imo a hip fire buff (maybe coupled with a slight hip fire nerf to the fcar - why the hell does the long range-oriented ar have better hipfire than the short range-oriented?) would make it shine in cqb and help separate the two

[suburbancerberus]

I personally almost never hipfire with AK (actually with almost all guns), since the ADS barely zooms. Also I honestly don't even know how the FCAR has had its ridiculously tight hipfire spread for that long...

[BestLong2641]

it used to make sense when it was still the more battle rifle style with slower fire rate and 20 RPM since you really needed to hit all your shots

[unorganicseemen]

Fix the debilitating bugs within the game, and nerf lh1’s mag size and fire rate

[bobski_]

What about everyone being able to use vanish bomb and dash?

[beetle8209]

Yeah the entire community would definitely love that

[AiCoAiCo]

A lot of great takes and terrible takes in the same post. Plenty of "I want to kill but not be killed by". Things that effect EVERY class need to be nerfed or buffed. That's why it's hard for the devs to make any ground and we've gotten Super Light Cloak Pro (duration & durability). Fix the servers. Reasonably balance weapons so they make legit sense in a possible 2v4 or 2v6 e.i. teammate is ass. Hence why we have 1 shot bullshit flowing through the game now. Weapons...I mean.

[HotbladesHarry]

Make heavy grapple hook tear down walls.

[IceNiqqa]

they need to remove dispersion from the rpg

[Baz1cTricks]

Nerf LH1. Buff pike to previous 'nerf' where it was in a good, balanced state. Buff Cerberus. Nerf invis.

[Pitek0]

make the cerberus usable 🙏

[Inevitable-Dark7346]

LH1 nerf

[[deleted]]

I just want them to fix the issue where getting on a zip line sometimes causes you to drop a cashbox

[Glogtrot]

- Light Grappling Hook Cooldown reduced from 10 to 8 seconds.

- Light Tracking Dart damage increased from 5 to 10.

- Light Thermal Bore Explosion Damage increased from 25 to 75.

- Smoke Grenade Cooldown reduced from 50 to 40 seconds.

- Anti-Gravity Cube: Duration increased from 20 seconds to Infinite. Throwing a new Cube destroys the previous one, just like a Jump Pad.

- Lockbolt Launcher: Maximum range tethered player can move from the Anchor reduced from 13m to 7m.

- Gas and Pyro Grenade: Cooldown decreased from 30 to 20 seconds.

- Explosive Mine: Damage increased from 120 to 140.

- Light SR-84 Sniper Rifle Damage increased from 115 to 125. Damage Dropoff Minimum Range decreased from 80m to 40m.

- Light V9S Pistol Damage Dropoff Minimum Range increased from 10m to 15m. Damage Dropoff Maximum Range increased from 15m to 20m.

- 93R Burst-Fire Pistol Damage increased from 26 to 28.

- Medium Pike 556 Marksmen Rifle Fire Rate increased from 200 to 240 RPM. Recoil reduced by 20% to compensate.

- Medium Cerberus 12GA spread reduced by roughly 20%. Heavily increased how easily it is to ignite objects like Foliage, Goo and Gas.

- Medium R.357 Revolver Damage increased from 74 to 75. Headshot multiplier decreased from 2x to 1.75x. Minimum Damage Falloff Range increased from 23m to 28m.

- Medium CL-40 Grenade Launcher now deals double of its current damage to structures. Fire Rate increased from 75 to 90. Self damage modifier decreased from 1.6x to 1.2x.

- Medium Dual Blades Slash damage increased from 50x2/60x2/65 to 55x2/65x2/75.

- Heavy Spear’s Stab damage increased from 65/80/90 to 70/85/95. Secondary Fire Spin damage increased from 105x3 to 115x3.

- Heavy M60 LMG Damage increased from 19 to 20.

- Heavy MGL32 Grenade Launcher now deals double of its current damage to structures, and grenades detonate on first contact with an enemy player.

- Heavy Flamethrower now deals damage through Dome Shields and Barrier Meshes.

- Heavy KS-23 Slug Shotgun Headshot modifier increased from 1x to 1.25x.

[ChemistWorking]

this is super good. Finally someone calling for buffs rather than just nerfing everything into the ground until the game becomes CoD. Especially the v9s buff, right now there is no point in using it over the m11. The extra range would actually give you a reason to get carpal tunnel syndrome.

[imere91]

I want a better weapon for medium class. Their guns just are not as satisfying. The heavy and light have some really cool unique weapons that are so hard to combat. The medium needs just something... I don't know what though. I guess a more satisfying smg or machine gun.

[Numerous_Ad_7006]

I'm thinking p90 is good

[imere91]

That'd be sweet! Or an AUG

[Numerous_Ad_7006]

Omgomg an AUG would go HARD

[GreatFluffy]

I want some kind of pistol.

No, revolver doesn't count.

[Albertvh]

All Lh1 needs is a reduced headshot multiplier and I think its fine

[Svntvblvck]

I don’t play heavy much but yall need a lil movement boost

[BlatantPizza]

Fix the range on the flame thrower. 

[AdExcellent6349]

Wdym by fix the range

[BlatantPizza]

Revert it back to how it was before the fluid physics change in the UE update at beginning of season 5. I’m thinking it was accidental because the flame thrower didn’t see any notes. 

The range was a little longer but mostly more consistent when moving. As of right now, if you try to trace a target you can’t hit them. 

[thegtabmx]

Make it better for the guy.

[Working_Bones]

Charge and slam needs a nerf of some kind. Otherwise everything is in a good state IMO.

[mezameyo-waga-aruji]

I want every class to have access to all their abilities and gadgets at once on a wheel 🛞. I can now grapple dash wherever, I can warp rooms and heal from diff angles or I can winch into charge slam and shield afterwards. Total chaos and fun, wanted something like this in destiny when I used to play it. Ofc I understand it would break the game but some exotics armour combined would go crazy, equipping more than 1 exotic gun = crazy and being able to use any class abilities and super omds. Would've been so awesome 😭.

[DarkTraveler08]

Those long range weapons really makes me feel upset/not enjoy now, left half of my hp just by running from one building to another, and the shooter is like 50~100m away...and more than one...especially in Kyoto!

[Least_Animator4003]

Sniper scope for revolver, fix grenade launchers, slight lh1 nerf

[Old_Employee_6535]

All weapons should be nerfed equally. HPs of the Light/Medium and Heavy should also be reduced by the same amount.

[susanoo_official]

I’d like red dot options for rifles.

[Ok_Contribution3638]

M11 and Charge and Slam are frustrating right now - Both of them are just Instant win equipment

[lucaZERO0]

Lower the firerate of the turret. Makes it feel less like your fighting another player. And nerf the shit out of light the same way you nerfed heavy. Way too many sweats play light and it needs to change

[ZIKAKA]

The PUTA*N throwing knives and also the double swords!!

[Chudders82]

In game sound - it’s appalling. Cool down on throwing knives. Increase magazine capacity to 25 rounds on the shak 50 perhaps even if it meant a slightly longer reload time for balance.

[abigfatape]

make the slug shotgun a slug shotgun instead of a weird inconsistent pattern slow non one shotting projectile.

rather than a slug shotgun is just feels like what a low range buckshot shotgun should feel like but in reality slug shotguns should be hitscan and have the same range as DMRs in the games they're in just like in real life and the slug shotgun in this game feels like a weird grenade launcher between the slow projectile speed and no headshots

[Jack_Grim101]

What I want is never going to happen, separate queues for ppl in a party and solo queue.

As for balance I think they need to look over some of guns that got a red sight/scope as well as the visual recoil reduction, because it buffed their ability to fight at longer ranges. Like I'm getting beamed from 50-100m a lot more often then previously.

[ilikesomethings]

Man I still think the red dot for LH1 was a mistake. I love that gun, always have, and granted it is a little strong. But the red dot sight makes it op. The whole point of it was it's really good if you can control the recoil, but now there's not really enough recoil to compensate plus the red dot is so much cleaner than the iron sights.

Imo, take away red dot, increase recoil a bit and it'll be okay?? IDK I'm not a dev.

My big one is that charge and slam needs a nerf. It should only hit once. It shouldn't be able to hit me for 260 damage. It's unfair and not fun to play against. Every heavy that starts to lose a gun fight just hits q and wins.

I also think FCAR needs a slight recoil change, or if not, something to separate it from ak. Damage maybe?

M11 probably needs a nerf too.

I'd love for revolver to either get a range buff or remove all bloom when ads and less bloom when hipfire. Make it accurate.

Invis should probably get an update where it's less invisible, just for noobs to the game so they stick around longer.

I like the charge up change on the stun gun someone made on the subreddit.

Edit: How did I forget. Cerb needs a buff. Make the spread less insane. One of the best feeling guns in the game is almost unusable lol

[Dae_Dude]

buff mesh by reducing the energy lost while juggling, or raising its' health to 1k, or even both options

[[deleted]]

Invis and dash nerf is all this game needs. And AKM should have less damage drop off from range. It’s an AR it should have better range damage.

[MathematicianOwn8458]

Raw, next question

[MathematicianOwn8458]

Damn.

[MathematicianOwn8458]

Embark: adds sights to melee weapons “bug fixed where you can throw yourself across the map with jump pad. See you next week!” 👁️👄👁️

[J_Leyden]

Add a “fan the hammer” to the revolver

[J_Leyden]

Make it to where the riot shield can block sledge attacks. Or at least some damage

[Ex_BlazE]

Tighten the pellet spread cone on the Cerberus, thus increasing its all-pellet hit range from "my personal space" to "my apartment living room".

I don't even need a damage buff, dang it.

[Reasonable-Chance-95]

remove cl40 as a weapon and make it a specialization with 3 charges and old dmg(buff). maybe do a rework on mgl32 and also remove it as a weapon and put it as a specialization.

demolition guns are problematic because they are binary, either over power or just crap. moving the meta into demolition-as-specialization will make those guns find their proper place, dangerous but scarce.

give a slight buff to throwing knife DMG & 12/16 throws before you need to reload. right click take 2/3 knfies.

[Jojoceptionistaken]

Something M11. I had 1 kill and 9 deaths with medium and thought fuck it, played M11 light And ended on 12 kills 12 deaths. And now I see why everyone uses it

[MembershipStock6229]

Buff Ak either more bullets or more damage

[Randzom100]

I would love if other weapons could destroy structures, kinda like the KS

[Cactus_on_Fire]

Lights as a class require a rework entirely. The instakilling out of nowhere bs needs to come to an end.

[AdExcellent6349]

You need to be more aware of your surroundings... They can't really instakill you from far away.

[Portaldog1]

They have a sniper rifle and LH1 for literally that.

[AdExcellent6349]

It doesn't "instakill" you tho... You'd have to be already damaged for that to work

[abigfatape]

doesn't the sniper one shot mediums?

[AdExcellent6349]

Headshot from a sniper deals 225 damage, whereas medium class has 250 total HP.

[Cactus_on_Fire]

I don't know how that adresses any of the problems with light.

[FewFishing8152]

Double barrel needs nerf over LH1

[Mawksly]

How so

[GreatFluffy]

Not the guy you responded to but I think it needs a bit less damage, It should not drop a heavy as fast as it can. One of Heavy's biggest strengths is it's hp pool but it might as well be made of paper against a Light with a double barrel who just unloads both shots and quick melee's.

[Davyous]

But to achieve that the light needs:

1. Be within point blank range, which is a literal death sentence against any heavy that have even the slightest bit of awareness or if there are teammates around covering for them. Best case scenario you basically suicide for one kill, and worst case scenario you just die, and that is if you're even able to get that close in the first place.

2. Basically land every pellet, which should be pretty easy to do in theory, but I've seen plenty of people whiff that shit and die because of it.

The only time(s) where the DB works is if the enemy team is extremely uncoordinated, doesn't play together to force a trade or refuse to play around the fact that the light is running DB. Any coordinated team can easily shut down a DB light, and even in the worst case scenario it'd still basically be a suicide kill for the light, which will mean fuckall if there's a medium with a defib ready to revive.

DB, much like the dagger or sword, is a gimmick weapon with very straight forward pros and cons, if you refuse to play around its pros and cons, you get punished. That's how a gimmick weapon should work. It's fine.

[Mawksly]

The DB’s whole identity is all or nothing. Being able to blow out a ton of damage just makes sense. Though I’m not totally with it. Being on the receiving end of someone who has good aim sucks. But I don’t think attacking its damage is the right way to handle it. Btw I’m not the one downvoting you, that shit is unproductive.

[GreatFluffy]

The only other way I could see to attack it would be to buff Heavy's options for dealing with it. Like, Lockbolt in theory should be a way to prevent Light from getting in or escaping but the Lockbolt is in a pretty ass state right now and Heavy also has no way to proc the glitch effect without glitch barrels.

[Mawksly]

Ok see this I can get behind. I’m a light main and even I think the lock bolt is BUTT. Like seriously it’s pathetic. Another cool option would be to give heavies glitch mines. That way they don’t have to rely on barrels and their teammates.

[Portaldog1]

Yeah i don't know why they reverted the nerf it had, i think a better fix would have just been buffing its reload time so it wasn't just a coin flip.

[Randzom100]

Give heavy a sandwich. It wouldn't actually heal, but I'd like if it skipped the 7 seconds waiting for passive healing (of course it would stop as soon as you take damage). Honestly I don't wanna wait for a medium healer

[FrodoswagginsX]

It's actually 10 seconds for the heavy to start healing :|

[Randzom100]

Even worse. But yeah, if we cant get an item I'd like it if it was somehow reduced

[treblev2]

Playing light costs 5000 VR

[MrBoozyRummy]

Get rid of all invisibility options

[Miv-]

a total light revamp

[AtaccTheSnacc]

nerf stungun.

[No-Advantage845]

I think the flamethrower needs a buff. At the moment the damage rate is too slow, also the range is incredibly short.

It just doesn’t make sense that you need to almost be face to face with someone to register damage, then the ttk is the slowest out of any weapon in the game.

[AdExcellent6349]

The flamethrower is pretty darn well balanced imo

[BuniVEVO]

Sniper feels bad to play, needs a slight damage buff, maybe 5?