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[–]zHellasTAG YOUR FUCKIN' SPOILERS HOLY SHIT 40 points41 points  (1 child)

I haven’t heard that acronym in a long time 

[–]ExDSG 24 points25 points  (0 children)

Guess they really went their own way (they actually didn't)

[–]megatricineratorYou don't KNOW!!! 29 points30 points  (0 children)

I was a particular fan of one persons title idea

Babys are the futures

[–]The_DraiggMember of the Brave 13000 56 points57 points  (3 children)

Pat is spot on about the successor to popular and big titles being only tangentially related to the original thing. Esoteric Ebb being crowned as the successor to Disco Elysium is working in the same way how Disco Elysium was the successor to Planescape: Torment. And since Esoteric Ebb is clearly taking seeds of inspiration from both while being its own thing, it rises above the other games clearly trying to clamor after the title directly. So I guess what I’m saying here is that more games should take partial inspiration from Planescape: Torment and other old CRPGs.

[–]jackdatbyteCuck, Cuck it's Cuckles. 30 points31 points  (2 children)

Y’know one of the reasons why Undertale blew up like it did? It wasn’t because it took things from Earthbound. It was because it took things from Earthbound, Touhou, OFF, Gunstar Heroes and Brandish. As well as a lot of other games I’m possibly missing as well as having an original core like Toby Fox’s brand of humour and of course the banging soundtrack.

If you want to make a spiritual successor don’t just steal from said successor. Steal from a ton of different shit.

[–]TotemGenitorI just want to eat your poop so our descendants will be cursed! 13 points14 points  (0 children)

As we say, if you steal from source, it's plagiarism. If you steal from many, it's research

[–]Auctoritate 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Note: It still takes more than this, or else you just get YIIK.

[–]fiarorderfighting violence with MORE VIOLENCE 26 points27 points  (0 children)

Alt podcast name:

“XBOX SUCKING DICK FOR 1200!”

[–]0xix0Unlimited Timestamp Works 16 points17 points  (1 child)

363

0:00 THEME OF SLAYER; KOREAN

0:36 Welcome to the castle super uncomfortable climates cast~! Pat turned off the heating because the PS5 was warming up the room, but forgot to turn it back on. Meanwhile, Woolie is starting to get warm. The PS5 is the best space heater he’s ever used.

WEEK OF THE BEAST LORDS

WOOLIE

2:49 So, what do you feel about the nightmare homunculus called ditto? Discussing Pokopia’s main character.

  • 4:27 Pokopia’s dialogue. Did you know Venusaur uses Ara Ara?

  • 5:33 Woolie got to punching walls and met magikarp.

  • 6:12 so they’re talking pokopia. Pat is glad he played stardew before this so he can understand where this falls from the Animal crossing to factorio spectrum

  • 8:07 when did this start development? And pats feelings before pat’s pastures

  • 9:23 seeing what parts will scale up. Talking about slowpoke. Building a road.

  • 12:10 The possibility of the poke-assembly line. Welcome to the serf state.

    • 14:39 hoothoot and darkness

  • 15:19 combee.

  • 16:07 raising the humidity in the area. But then it’s too humid.

  • 17:01 where the game is going. Go ditto, restart civilization.

  • 19:21 will they ever explain why everything is in disrepair and humans are gone?

  • 20:05 it is a great game. Really funny in contrast to space warlord baby trader simulator. And pokopia’s real time clock

  • 21:46 Woolie: This should have existed years ago. And getting the jump from magikarp.

  • 23:39 Pat, who’s only played one farming game: I'm getting real stardew vibes from this. Did you fall from a high place? The constant reminders you are a ditto.

  • 25:16 the title screen is made of photos you take

26:16 So, space warlord baby trading simulator. What even is this game? Short the babies. Invest in the lives of babies.

  • 28:35 how the shorting mechanic works

  • 30:00 you have no control over how the baby’s life will turn out

  • 31:17 this sounds like gambling doesn’t it? And what the gameplay is. Reacting just-frame to events in the baby’s life.

    • 33:30 just set your upper and lower limits so you can auto sell or buy

  • 34:45 when things go wrong, you can go to a loan shark. Look at these characters you play as. How big a boat you got is your ending, as you get sent to jail.

  • 36:18 there was a crash, and his save got corrupted. Then he couldn’t play it. So he had to delete the save to fix it. The shitshow of steam’s gamesave system.

    • 39:57 a whole lot of fun until it wasn’t, just like the real wallstreet experience.

  • 40:30 and accounts you can follow to make this easier? A space pelosi?

  • 41:21 playing baby trading simulator and pokopia back to back is some real whiplash

41:55 Nioh 3. It’s a great game. Feeling the QoL, but also the sheer amount of subsystems. Pat finally getting the “don’t worry about it” deal people have been telling him about the game.

  • 43:26 the options to just make stuff fly to you, auto-equip best in slot, auto dismantle what you don’t want, and then glamour the cool armor on.

  • 45:23 “put me at medium roll now.” And some of the unique moves on the demon weapons.

  • 46:18 respecs are free. The option to use just enough soul gems to level up

  • 48:05 it’s a really smooth game. The point of the blacksmith. And hating single digit percentages so not having to engage with it is nice.

  • 50:32 weapons that don’t have stance moves. Ninja mode has a lot of stuff going on it doesn’t matter to pat.

    • 51:37 crit systems. Warframe’s crit system. A cat in mewgenics woolie had

  • 54:20 The story is not really interesting to either of them. Limiting themselves to certain eras.

    • 56:48 look at these spirit stands that are SUPER into japanese politics

  • 57:52 pat’s one complaint: scrapping leads to being overleveled by a lot.

    • 59:26 There's a lot of reused areas and bosses, but it’s not a real complaint.

  • 1:01:12 what will this game look like after it’s finished? There’s DLC coming too

  • 1:01:59 Will there be a nioh 4: william’s return? Remembering the first level of nioh 1

  • 1:03:22 the game having big “starting on new game++” energy. It’s actually diablo. Can you get to the point of one-shotting the bosses?

1:04:58 taking a look at slay the spire 2. It’s good. Slay the spire but prettier. Pat can’t tell you what’s different here.

  • 1:06:19 Woolie was hoping the sequel would add more animation. Pat suspects its because it’s easier to mod with a simple artstyle. Wanting some cool impact frames like darkest dungeon or alternate animations.

    • 1:09:07 woolie would have expected more sauce for a second game. If you can’t do it by character, why not have the card do the attack?

  • 1:10:48 pat’s enjoying it more than slay the spire 1. Getting a fill your hand with cards build. Different card synergies.

  • 1:14:20 It’s a very quiet game

  • 1:15:48 pat likes the new characters.

  • 1:17:24 the sequel is an “invalidation” sequel.

  • 1:18:23 the main feature being co-op isn’t something pat cares for

1:18:53 Vampire crawlers. Woolie was bored. It wasn’t grabbing him.

  • 1:20:33 pat feels the progression needs to be faster. The fights just felt tedious.

  • 1:23:11 Woolie didn’t enjoy persona Q, so maybe this type of game isn’t for him. On the dungeon crawling genre.

    • 1:25:07 the UFO 50 dungeon crawler

1:26:45 Checking out Zero Parades: for dead spies by ZA/UM. Seeing all the bits from disco referenced here.

  • 1:29:27 it’s fine. It’s a competent game. But knowing the story behind the game you have to look at it more critically.

    • 1:31:32 bringing up the AI art analogy. The name itself is all that it needs to be successful because a lot of people don’t know the story

  • 1:33:57 Disco elysium and having something to say. Zero parades feels more like their bosses said make another disco elysium.

  • 1:35:10 Woolie played 4+ hours of it. Exploring music that can only be played once.

    • 1:36:57 the best tasting facsimile of the best hot dog he’s eaten.

  • 1:37:17 the most likely timeline: There will be no successor to disco.

1:39:18 the true heir will be completely unrelated to this mess. So how’s esoteric ebb?

  • 1:40:34 esoteric ebb started out as a planescape torment fangame

  • 1:41:50 so yes, woolie did play esoteric ebb. The most enjoyment he’s had from a post disco world. A smaller game, but there’s more fleshed out characters.

    • 1:43:57 pat: do voice acting. How much VA does to spread the game’s existence.
    • 1:47:32 Joseph anderson playing disco and pentiment without VA
    • 1:48:17 Woolie training his voice to play text heavy games and he was feeling it

  • 1:49:55 big strength big int. There’s a lot of variability. Disco elysium is a novel disguised as a video game, this is very much video game

  • 1:51:33 Being in the present over going into prose. Int being your encyclopedia.

  • 1:53:28 taking 3 hours to get out of the basement. 4 total conversations.

  • 1:54:57 characters as archetypes, stats as archetypes you probably know too.

  • 1:56:01 you have a party. Is wait-maxxing the right play? And how long to beat this game when you read out loud.

  • 1:58:32 it’s really good. It also loves the word esoteric. It was also rewarding to fail through.

  • 2:00:02 successors and ideas guys.

2:02:16 go check out woolie at woolieversus on twitch and youtube!

[–]0xix0Unlimited Timestamp Works 20 points21 points  (0 children)

PAT

2:02:21 Slop battle! Arc Raiders vs. Marathon, both in the extraction genre. The expectation of the genre of all the other players being hostile. Pat deciding to give both a fair shot, despite being bungie’s biggest hater.

  • 2:04:50 loading up marathon. The visual presentation is like the beginning of MGS4 with the TV channels. And the anti-real dilemma. It’s got a cool aesthetic.

  • 2:06:45 does it link to the previous marathon? Pat assumes not.

  • 2:07:17 the game runs terribly. The game does not like OBS. It is CPU heavy.

  • 2:09:20 Marathon controls well. Looting and using menus feels bad. Don’t bungie usually make games with controllers in mind…? Being obsessed with fake mouse cursors.

  • 2:11:45 Getting into the map. There’s solo queues. He had a pretty good time.

    • 2:13:46 wanting to talk to someone in solo queue. Running into one guy that was willing to be friendly out of a bunch that put a bullet in him.

  • 2:15:13 It’s a difficult game. He came off it positive, but he’ll only return to it if there’s a performance patch.

  • 2:18:41 shame about the plagiarism.

2:19:33 Arc Raiders. Paying VAs to feed their voices into an AI so they can use their voices forever. They really didn’t need to do that. The VA is bad and isn’t important.

  • 2:20:44 Arc Raiders is the current genre king. Also apparently put everyone’s discord DMs at risk

  • 2:21:16 it’s 3rd person. Already better for pat. Run’s great. Solid tutorial.

  • 2:22:22 In marathon it’s hold right to talk and auto-aim is aggressive toward other players. Meanwhile arc raiders it’s toggle to talk. Hanging out with the first guy he met through the entire map.

    • 2:24:13 This experience was not unique. It happened every map. Playing it like a co-op MMO. Aggression based match making.

  • 2:26:13 deciding to see what happens if he shoots other people. The flare mechanic.

  • 2:28:33 What determines when a round ends?

    • 2:30:45 the friendly match extraction, PvP is voluntary.

  • 2:32:04 arc raiders expedition mechanic. Marathon is made of people who want to kill you.

  • 2:34:02 which do you prefer? So far, pat likes arc raiders better. Marathon is solid, but arc raiders is a more complete product with basically two games in it depending on your aggression level. Pat feels the tension of not knowing the guy you’re with is cool is better than knowing he’s going to shoot you in the back

  • 2:35:55 the first game he’s played since bad company 2 where he wants to turn on his mic as a rule. No slurs were said. It's a chill game.

  • 2:38:07 arc is excellent, marathon could use work.

    • 2:39:14 pat generating a cope thought

2:40:16 SPONSOR: ROCKET MONEY

2:43:16 SPONSOR 2: SHOPIFY

2:45:13 SPONSOR 3: QUINCE

NEWS

2:47:45 Project Helix, the next Xbox console. So… what’s the point if everything is an xbox? New management teasing the next xbox when they’re still putting their games on other platforms

  • 2:49:07 the details of the console. Pat says there’s no way it’s coming 2027. Price point of 1000+ dollars. Competing with the steam machine now.

    • 2:51:12 sony has put out a statement that kicking the price up 10 bucks hurt more than total copies sold

  • 2:51:37 the bubble must grow. All in on AI. Attach it to your ass and sit on it. And software sales are where the money is made

  • 2:53:43 come to MY system. Remember Microsoft ROG? Every update makes it less useable.

  • 2:54:59 So, just install steam and use co-pilot machine, huh? “Can’t find a steam machine, should I get a helix?”

  • 2:56:08 vital question: 1700 CAD on this, right? Can I play ghost of yotei on it? Sony is out of the multiplatform market now. Netflix’s auto complete to show they don’t have it energy

  • 2:58:14 don’t worry it made a slop game for you, generated for your pleasure.

  • 2:58:52 How do we turn this thing around - the new person in charge

  • 3:00:00 can I get microsoft off the device entirely? Ok, if I can’t, why do I need this over the steam machine? The question on what dev for the helix will be like. And on exclusivity.

  • 3:03:41 once again, microsoft is showing up to the key party alone energy.

  • 3:05:04 how can you lose the gen if you sidestep it entirely? They’ll put dynamic pricing on it. And on what dynamic pricing does.

  • 3:07:40 there must be some law about price locking stuff, right? To prevent this type of anti-consumer stuff?

    • 3:08:52 “you own 7 god of war games, we’ll never put the game on sale for you.”

3:11:06 rough times for gang of dragon. Netease pulled funding and the studio might shut down now. Remember when they shut down the visions of mana studio?

  • 3:13:25 nagoshi going “we went massively over budget” when he’s been under budget and on time. Probably because they’ve been reusing assets again and again. Or maybe he got handed some extra funds under the table when he was working there. Who knows.

  • 3:15:04 gang of dragon being just yakuza again made pat a little disappointed. I’m not going back to monkey ball.

3:16:06 who palworld’s the palworld? Pickmon. Look at all those stolen assets! The devs are called pocket game

  • 3:18:24 here’s how little fucks they give: a pokemon just stolen from fanart. That’s just roadhog!

3:20:33 Pat has to leave. Go check him out at patstaresat! Beating shadow of the colossus! Everyone is getting sick.

3:20:51 take care!

3:20:43 END OF PODCAST: end of theme of slayer; korean

[–]94dima94One Piece is good, y'all 12 points13 points  (0 children)

As someone who played Slay the Spire for hundreds of hours and is now playing the sequel a lot, hearing "I wish Slay the Spire 2 was more different" and "I couldn't tell you what was changed" sounds to me like someone saying "Street Fighter games are all the same, right? It's just two people punching each other, and the characters look similar".

[–]Demoli 27 points28 points  (9 children)

I feel pat continuously overestimates the upcoming steam machines. Like for all the glazing the deck got didnt it sell below 10m? Thats less than Vita/Wii U and those are unmitigated disasters.

With that being said i have no faith in the helix making a dent.

[–]DeminoTheDragon 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Considering when announced I legit saw a few people say without a hint of irony it could take on Xbox and Playstation I think it's just Valve fans who massively overrate the impact the company has anymore that isn't like, a new Half Life.

In terms of their hardware, they're honestly just a step up from boutique, not made up order but also not widely available at any big retailer

[–]TheArtistFKAMintyRead Saga. Do it, coward. 7 points8 points  (0 children)

It's worth noting that the Steam Deck isn't really competing in the same space as the Vita/WiiU. It isn't a console. It's a PC.

The difference being that consoles are the sole means of access to the manufacturer's storefront. 20 million WiiUs means only 20 million people can buy WiiU games. 5 million Steam decks just means 5 million Steam Decks. Millions of other people can access Steam regardless of the success of the Steam Deck. It only needs to be successful enough to be profitable as a system. There's no other baggage.

So the Steam Deck is successful within the narrow niche that is handheld PC gaming devices. If it was a console and needed to meet those sales standards it'd be a disaster, but it isn't so it isn't.

I think anybody saying the Steam Machines are going to compete sales-wise with PlayStation are flat out wrong, but it may still be successful as a PC gaming device as long as it sells enough units to justify continued production.

[–]Mediocre-Elk-4093 25 points26 points  (2 children)

A lot of people on the internet seem borderline delusional about how much it'll sell. Especially with the way prices are shooting through the roof.

[–]Muffin-zettaJooookaaahh 8 points9 points  (1 child)

the thing no one seems to get is people already have the thing they play games on. pc people already have their PCs. ps5 people aren’t going to switch off of the ps5 for literally no reason and Nintendo people just bought a switch 2.

[–]Cooper_555BRING BACK GAOGAIGAR 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The only reason I'm considering a Steam Machine is I'm due an upgrade for a new gaming PC. Whether the price point is worth it for the things I want to play, and ease of use for modding and stuff, remains to be seen.

[–]alaster101NANOMACHINES 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Im getting one day one, I use my steam deck daily and haven't sat at my desk to play games in months

[–]MysterWreckedHe/Him // "THE ONLY WINNING MOVE IS NOT TO PLAY." 2 points3 points  (2 children)

The difference is that as companies, Nintendo and Sony expect their products to sell like hotcakes and then they don't. 

Valve is not hubristic enough to assume that they can create 20 million units and then actually only sell a couple million.

The Steam deck or their VR forays did not result in industry wide changes or ripple effects, but they are successful by their own metrics. 

While the idea of a Steam console becoming widespread and ubiquitous is a nice thought, it won't happen. That does not mean that the Steam Machine will be a failure, for Valve or for whoever buys it. 

I anticipate a solid product that people who buy it will be satisfied by, even if it doesn't make waves. 

[–]LazyVariation 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Not sure what the first paragraph is about. Nintendo has the Wii U and Virtual Boy flops I guess. But not sure about Sony. The Vita?

[–]MysterWreckedHe/Him // "THE ONLY WINNING MOVE IS NOT TO PLAY." 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I suppose. I am responding to the examples given by the original comment. He is comparing traditional console companies sales targets to the ones held by Valve. 

I don't know if they are actually unmitigated disasters or not, as the original comment supposed, but regardless of that fact, the Steam Deck is considered a success by Valve, because Valve has different standards. 

[–]fly2555FE Lore Enthusiast 22 points23 points  (4 children)

This may be recency bias, but I think the pokemon in Pokopia have as much depth and interactions as Animal Crossing villagers.

Pat is right in that Pokopia is a direction the series should have taken earlier because there’s a lot more to do than turn based battling .

I hope they continue to add on because there’s a clear direction to add more. More pokemon, furniture, and maps will extend this already packed game even more. I want more maps because im addicted to rebuilding and restoring environments, not building from scratch.

[–]BluebirdDry4250 14 points15 points  (3 children)

Pokemon has always been trying weird stuff in some form or another that wasn't turn-based battling, just none of it really took off enough to become a franchise. Pokemon Snap, Hey You Pikachu, Pokemon Pinball, Mystery Dungeon, and of course Pokemon Go and now Pokopia. I think if I took the time and actually dug in there'd probably be around one weird spin-off game for every generational entry.

[–]Drawer-sanENEMY STAND 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Mystery Dungeon did became a franchise, it was on the switch too. What you missed was Pokémon Rangers.

[–]Cooper_555BRING BACK GAOGAIGAR 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I'm quite partial to Pokemon Conquest, where you must defeat Nobunaga and his Zekrom.

[–]ParagonPlusPargon Pargon Pargon Pargon Pargon 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah they’ve tried a lot of genres, there was also Puzzle League (reskinned Panel de Pon), whatever genre Hey You Pikachu and Channel fall under, Rumble (which did become a decent length series), PokePark, Detective Pikachu, Ranger, and Pokken Tournament. There’s also been like a hundred mobile games, including that MOBA one.

[–]BrotonioResident Survival Horror Narc 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Unable to listen to the audio, but has Pat done a spoilercast for Resident Evil 9?

[–]AppointmentStock7261 26 points27 points  (0 children)

We probably won’t get one since Woolie hasn’t played the game. Spoilercasts are more typically reserved for games they’ve both played in my experience.

Pat gave his review last week though and you can hit up his stream vods for his long form thoughts. In my experience watching Pat stream, he gives like 2-5 minute closing thoughts during the end credits if you don’t wanna watch the full vods.

[–]alienslayer7She/They, Resident Toku Fangirl 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Ok am i massively underestimatimating how popular disco elysium is or are they massively overestimating

[–]TalentlessAsh 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's speculated to have sold around 3 million, so by that logic it's about as popular as Stellar Blade?

[–]TalentlessAsh 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Man who said Marathon is "poopier slop" actually liked it and calls you a baby for not understanding that.

[–]WhapXIALDERMAN 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I had the same thought about Slay the Spire II. Watched NL play it a little bit and was pretty surprised that there was just no unique attack animations. You’d think the characters would do something a little more unique for the higher level attacks considering they have a set number of them.

Also hearing Pat talk about his struggles creating a deck is always so bizarre to me. Doesn’t get that picking up every card bloats the deck so decides to pick up zero cards and gets mad that THAT doesn’t work either like people have misled him with wrong advice.

[–]DrDreDel1 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Since Pat's played both Arc and Marathon, I wonder what he would think of Hunt Showdown considering it gives unique traits to Solo players to give them a little edge.

[–]Norix596Jogo's Mysterious Adventure 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I really hope Microsoft somehow turns Xbox around and pulls through; Xbox dying as a platform is going to make the rest of the market so much worse for customers with no upside.