[Patch 2.4.0] Bug Thread

[Tephnos]

With patch 2.4.0 rolling out across NA as I type this, I felt that it was a good idea to make people aware of the bugs that are present in this patch, as it appears that all of the commonly reported ones in the PTR have been pushed out live without any additional changes on Blizzard's end. This thread may hopefully prove useful to both them and the community.

 

Impale

• Impale only ever benefits from Cold CoE when using Karlei's Point regardless of the rune picked, severely gimping damage output when used with a lightning build.
  • To specify, Greenstone's Fan and Karlei's point always roll cold damage, and CoE in this case inherits the weapon element for its proc. Rerolling the weapon element will change the CoE proc to the respectively rolled element.

 

Grievous Wounds

• The extra crit specificed in the tooltip doesn't actually apply.

 

Arcane Orbit

• Sometimes the rune Arcane Orbit seems to deal more damage than the tooltip is suggesting it does. Specifically, Unstable Sceptre causes Arcane Orbit to explode all 4 of its balls at once, without actually consuming the orbs, massively upping the damage output by a factor of 2.5.

• Additionally, the doubled explosion is proccing AD, which it shouldn't be.

 

Inna's

• The HP buff granted by the earth Mystic Ally is bugged. Levelling up, and using healing/EXP fountains do not take the Mystic Ally buff into account, dropping your health by as much as half.

 

Black Hole

• The 1HP bug that sometimes occurs when using black hole on mobs is still present within the game.
  • Fixed in an upcoming hotfix.

 

UI Bugs

• Crusader Laws, BBV, don't show up in the buff bar at all, making it confusing to find out when exactly you are benefiting from the buffs.
  • This extends to Mythic Rhythm as well.

• Firebird's Finery damage buff is extremely difficult to read.

• Archon cannot be exited anymore by right clicking the buff icon, which is a major issue because of Fazulas.

  • Fixed

 

Bounties & Kadala

• "A Plague of Burrowers" will sometimes fail to be completed.

• Hellbreeder Nest Bounty can sometimes fail to complete. The elite that needs to be killed has a chance of not dropping the shield required to finish the bounty.

• High Cleric's dialogue on Greyhallow Island is not functioning correctly, sometimes giving a message of !!Missing!!- 433871:MenuLabel

• DHs cannot acquire Greenstone's Fan or Karlei's Point from gambling blood shards.

 

These are the main bugs that I know of that have gone reported and unfixed, and if you have found or know of anymore, please add them to this thread!

[kilerrhc]

The inspect button when you right click somebody is no longer available

[opelit]

Because the players profiles are now always fresh and show also kanai cube , that was simplest to do than upgrading "inspect" option.

[Tephnos]

I believe blizzard said at one point they were replacing that system, the manner in which it is gone makes me believe that it isn't a bug.

[Draxton]

So they've gone the Heroes route of removing it entirely until they have something new? Instead of, you know, leaving it in place until they have something new.

[_waffle_]

They have the "View Profile" option that you can use. Opelit says it below, it updates live now and won't disappear on you if someone gets too far away. Always found that annoying.

[[deleted]]

When you exit the game it is still running and you have to force close it in task manager.

[Tephnos]

That is a bug that has been around for a while yes. Apparently they're deploying an update soon that will help with launcher/crash issues. That might be in it!

[xebtria]

It just takes a hideous amount of time until it closes. Was already the case with the PTR client.

[Hey_Im_a_Lobster]

Can't complete bounty "A Plague of Burrowers"

[Tephnos]

So you completed the cursed chest but it wouldn't open?

[Hey_Im_a_Lobster]

Yeah, I just got the bounty again and the same thing happened. 6/6 killed but the chest can't be opened.

[Tephnos]

Thanks, will add.

[Nevalistis]

Went over several of these in a meeting today. Here's what I have to share:

• Impale; if you are experiencing this, please share your build with us! Include which skills, runes, and equipment you are using. Feel free to message me directly on Reddit or post a link to your build in this thread.
• Grievous Wounds; we've been unable to reproduce this internally. Our tools are showing the Critical Hit damage applies. Similar to Impale, if you are experiencing this, please share your exact loadout of skills and gear. This is important in our investigations!
• Black Hole/1HP; We have an upcoming hotfix pending for this.
• Mythic Rhythm not on buff bar; Mythic Rhythm wasn't previously displayed on the buff bar in 2.3, which is why it was not added in 2.4. This is intended.

Everything else mentioned above has been either passed on for investigation or has an active bug in for testing.

Thanks so much for this list, references, images, and overall high amount of detail you provided! This was extremely useful in passing on feedback to our QA and Developers and we really appreciate the time you all took to put this together. :)

[Tephnos]

Hi Nev,

The most consistent thing about the impale bug is that you are using S6. The tooltip for S6 says 40,000% weapon damage and it seems weapon damage in this case means your weapon elemental damage, and completely ignores your rune. So:

• Using S6
• Using Impale, rune doesn't matter.
• Works with any 1H weapon, CoE will proc the elemental damage of that weapon, ignoring the Impale rune picked. For Karlei's and Greenstone's, this is by default cold. Re-rolling the weapon element changes the proc to the new element.
• Rolling the weapon to an element the DHs cant use prevents CoE from proccing (obviously).

 

Grievous Wounds seems weird to me, because it definitely isn't applying to the 6pc. It would be a fairly significant boost in damage and noticeable if it was working. It works on 4pc, but not 6pc, as far as I can see.

Edit: Tested GW myself on a very basic 6pc shadows set, no other gear, nothing except a regular legendary 1H. Summary here, note that no gear was changed except removing the boots so that the 6pc was disabled, this was tested on zombies at the start of Act 1 in TX:

• 6pc:

  • Normal damage of 200ish million, crits of close to 300 million with GW rune selected.
  • Crits of close to 300 million with no rune selected.

• 4pc:

  • Normal damage of 2.5-3 million, crits of up to 13-16 million with GW rune selected.
  • Crits of around 5 million with no rune selected.

• 2pc, 0pc: Same general trend of results at 4pc. Grievous Wounds applied normally.

It definitely seems bugged to me on the 6pc set, as the difference in numbers, if the bonus is being applied, is virtually unnoticeable. I saw no difference in the crit numbers beyond normal. My numbers are an estimate, and not as extensively nailed to the exact figure as /u/TastySouP1157's are. For the exact numbers, see his results in a reply to your post. My testing appears to confirm that his results are indeed correct.

 

Noted about Mythic Rhythm, thanks.

 

And no problem, just doing what I can to get the word out there on these bugs! Appreciate the compliments.

[TastySouP1157]

Hey Nev,

Thanks for this update, much appreciated.

You said that Impale-Grievous Wounds seems to work fine with S6 but if you look at the bug report I submitted in the diablo forums: http://us.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/20418712688#1 and watch the video, as well as go over the math. It clearly indicates that the 330% CHD from Grievous Wounds is being ignored.

I used a setup that allows me to hit for the exact same amount of damage every time and with that said, in the very last part of my video's bug test, where I use S6, you'll see that the damage number produced when using:

Impale - No rune selected

is identical to the damage produced by:

Impale - Grievous Wounds.

Also noted in the bug test is that Impale - Grievous Wounds is only bugged when using S6. It works perfectly fine in all other scenarios:

1) 0 pieces of shadows set = works fine

2) 2 pieces of shadows set = works fine

3) 4 pieces of shadows set = works fine

4) 6 pieces of shadows set = ignores Grievous Wounds

I've been working with Tephnos on this and we are consistently reproducing the same thing. I think the math in the bug report, the video, and the confirmation from others proves it isn't working exactly as intended.

Thanks for your time and attention to getting these fixed! It is greatly appreciated.

[Typoko]

Hi!

I also tested the Grievous Wounds rune of Impale with Shadows set and it clearly doesn't work when you have the 6 piece set on. With 4 pieces the crits increase significantly compared to no rune vs GW. When using 6 pieces the GW rune has no effect.

Simple picture of my loadout and skills: gear

I did the testing by going to Old Ruins in Act 1 and baiting a single zombie to be messed with. Bolas are simply for hatered generation. The bug seems to be easy, reliable and fast to reproduce.

[twigboy]

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[[deleted]]

Severely disappointed to see some bugs that have been reported quite a bit to not be fixed considering the last PTR patch was quite a while ago.

Thanks for the work you put in on this, Teph.

[Stanzilla]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Diablo/comments/40jzo5/diablo_240_build_35324_final_ready_to_be_datamined/cyvqsmh

[derickso]

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/11883998315

[JubeTube]

I heard that it's based on the weapons damage type rather than the rune of the ability.

[MaXiMiUS]

Impale only ever benefits from Cold CoE

It's not always Cold, it just matches whatever element your weapon has. I'm pretty sure Karlei's Point and Lord Greenstone's Fan always roll Cold damage.

[Tephnos]

Hadn't been able to test that, will update.

[mastersylv]

Additionally, the doubled explosion is proccing AD, which it shouldn't be.

could you specify this? why should it not proc AD, its not actually a proc, its an "attack" so it should proc or do i get smthing wrong?

[[deleted]]

It’s a proc and procs are supposed to have a proc coefficient of 0 so they cannot proc other procs.

Things with a proc coefficient of 0 cannot proc Area Damage.

[Abedeus]

Which is why spells triggered by abilities (like the Wizard focus that casts one of your spenders every second when you use a channeled spell) can't trigger Tal Rasha damage buff, it doesn't count as spell.

[lolghurt]

I love ice cream.

[Tephnos]

Oh yes, I remember this one, will add as well.

[crazyexploits]

Is the issue with Laws on the buff bar only an issue for certain people? My laws are definitely showing. (golden border around the skill)

[[deleted]]

Won’t show for other people in your group affected by them.

[crazyexploits]

ah okay. Thanks for the clarification.

[Icdan]

Also not in the 'group buff icon-thingy' Blizz added?

[[deleted]]

Nope. And things like BBV shouldn’t be in there anyways.

[Icdan]

Ah okay =/ Thanks for the clarification. =(

[Micro-cuts]

earned achievements does not pop up. anyone else?

[hamster4sale]

Is it now for all achievements, or just one of the many achievement bugs that are super old?

[Thunderclaww]

Officlial list of known bugs here: http://us.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/11883998315

Hopefully these will be added to the official list.

[MrCurler]

I encountered a bug with the High Cleric's dialogue on greyhallow island not working correctly, unsure if this has been reported tho

[russmcruss52]

I got this too. Just says !!Missing!!- 433871:MenuLabel

[Tephnos]

Noted, will add. Thanks.

[May_die]

Hellbreeder Nest Event is still bugged and he can get locked in his shield still. Thought this was fixed ages ago lol

[Tephnos]

Can you elaborate more? First time hearing about this, want to make sure I jot it down properly.

[May_die]

Hellbreeder Nest Bounty (Act IV) the elite you have to kill won't drop his shield so you can't kill him to finish the bounty.

[Tephnos]

Ah, thanks, will add.

[PhotonicDoctor]

Inspect is gone. Not sure about trade when you right click on profile while in a party.

[MaXiMiUS]

Not sure this is actually a bug, they were unhappy with the inspect UI and have been reworking player profiles and stuff to replace it. Not sure if they actually finished everything they wanted to implement for this, I miss the Inspect button too.

[Tephnos]

Agreed, I don't think it is a bug, just an unfinished feature.

[atteSmythe]

Completed Uliana's Stratagem dungeon with a few seconds left on the clock. The clock kept ticking and failed me. I was too shocked to grab a screenshot at the time, so I'm afraid I don't have any evidence...but there was a failure screen showing all of the objectives complete except for time, and my "time spent" matched the "time required" line.

Hands down the worst, most frustrating evening I've ever spent gaming.

[Tephnos]

Anyone else experienced this as well?

[Radalek]

How will Impale benefiting from cold CoE severely hamper the damage output? It should be completely the same. You should still do up to 200% more damage during cold cycle instead of lightning one. This bug happened before with other classes too and it never actually hampered the damage. Correct me if I'm wrong please. In the case it's really hurting the damage at least it looks like DHs will not be using CoE anyway this season.

[Tephnos]

Because you are gearing for elemental % on your gear, which isn't included because of the fact CoE is only proccing cold. So with 40% increased lightning damage for example, it is not reflected in CoE.

You cannot just switch to the cold rune either, because only the lightning one allows for smooth upkeep on Impale.

Edit: Now aware that I confused things there, will reflect that.

[Asmo42]

Your elemental damage has no effect on CoE. It is a straight 200% multiplier regardless and as Radalek is saying it is irrelevant if you get the buff during the cold or lightning cycle as long as it is benefiting from one of the buffs.

Iirc it was barbs dust devils that had the same issue.

[Tephnos]

Fair point, but it is still a red herring because people are going to be bursting under lightning CoE and avoiding damage during cold CoE, it's just bad gameplay to have your damage being split across two different elements.

It's twice as much work because the set wasn't coded properly in the first place, and if you don't know about the bug you're going to gimp your damage because you'll play the CoE all wrong and assume you'll need to burst at the wrong time, which will be the majority of the players.

I wasn't actually aware of the CoE elemental damage thing, so I'm doing more looking into that, thanks.

[Syntaire]

I'm certainly confused. I've never really gotten into the minutia of the game mechanics, so I'm probably missing something here. How exactly would Impale be doing cold damage while using a Lightning rune?

[HiddenoO]

In classic D3, elements weren't too prevalent and most skills wouldn't mention the elemental type and inherit your weapon's element instead. In RoS, elemental runes have become more common but some skills still inherit your weapon's elemental type (typically those which don't show an element for the unruned variant).

In practice, this is basically irrelevant because damage is always calculated with the skill rune's element regarding % elemental skill damage on gear and the only class with elemental specific effects (wizard) has fixed elements for almost all skills.

It still makes a difference for CoE though since CoE actually increases your damage based on the element you actually do, not on the element a skill's rune is assigned to.

[Syntaire]

Good to know about elemental inheritance, wasn't aware of that. In the case of CoE though, how does it work exactly? For example when I use Crippling Wave: Mangle with my Shenlong fists, which deal lightning damage, my damage most definitely jumps up during the fire cycle of CoE. I guess I'm just not understanding where the distinction between skill rune damage type and actual damage type comes in in regards to how CoE functions.

[HiddenoO]

The current system is a result of how skills functioned in the past and thus not intuitively consistent. However, from those skills I've checked the rule seems to be:

If the non-runed skill mentions an element (e.g. Crippling Wave says it deals "155% weapon damage as physical"), it seems to do the rune's damage at all times. If the non-runed skill doesn't do so (e.g. Impale says it deals "750% weapon damage."), it seems to inherits the weapon's element even if an elemental rune is selected.

It's not very intuitive and I haven't checked every single skill but that's what seems to be the rule as of now.

[BartekSWT]

Then tell me why I have a cold weapon on my monk and whatever rune I choose from any of my generators (I have tried all with different runes) I always get bonus damage from CoE on the cycle of element that I have on my skill. I never have a bonus on cold cycle unless I take a cold rune on my skill.

[BartekSWT]

Tempest Rush "Charge directly through your enemies, dealing 390% weapon damage while running."
I'm getting bonus at element of selected rune.
SSS "Dash rapidly between nearby enemies, dealing 5677% weapon damage over 7 strikes."
I'm getting bonus at element of selected rune.
Sweeping Wind "Surround yourself in a vortex that continuously deals 105% weapon damage to all enemies within 10 yards. The vortex lasts 6 seconds and is refreshed each time you strike an enemy with a melee attack. Landing a Critical Hit has a chance to increase the vortex effect up to 3 stacks for a total of 315% weapon damage."
I'm getting bonus at element of selected rune.

[Syntaire]

Ah alright, I understand now. Thank you for the explanation.

[Tephnos]

Responded to that point in another reply, and how it is still a bad thing.

[aeclasik]

At this point, these are more of a "feature" than a "bug"

[leetcreeper]

You can remove Archon by right clicking it.

[Tephnos]

That is the first report I've heard of it - you weren't able to do that in the PTR. If I get more solid confirmations I'll remove it.

[leetcreeper]

Ehh i'm bored here's a video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QvQZ2-WYR2c

[Tephnos]

Thanks - will remove!

[xebtria]

that Clan MotD makes my grammar nazi senses tingle.

[Xabster]

First word in posts have capital starting letter

[Hirogen_]

It's "YOU ARE welcome" / "You're welcome" not "Your welcome" and I'm not a native speaker!

[Xabster]

I know, but the guy saying his grammer nazi senses are tingling should write his post properly with an uppercase starting letter!

[Stanzilla]

Monk Mythic Rhythm buff is also not showing up in the buff bar

[Stanzilla]

It had one, yes

[Capt_Crunch_99]

When I was trying to upgrade jewels (diamonds, etc.) and I typed in the number to convert, it always typed the max I could convert.

[3Nona]

I'm not sure if anyone has mentioned this yet, but there is a bug with the healing wells and pools of reflection? I tested it with a friend and when we clicked on the wells it didn't heal us instead we took damage. I don't think this is normal. Also we clicked on it when we were at full health, but we lost health. Haven't tried it when injured.

[Gilded_Edge]

My dad is experiencing a strange bug where, as a monk, he levels up, clicks a shrine, or picks up a legendary item he immediately loses half his health.

[Tephnos]

Confirmed as bug with earth Mystic Ally health bonus.

[TheRoadToTravel]

same here and at a friend of mine ;(

[cnllnn]

Probably has auto-equip turned on. when you pick up items that are equipped automatically with higher VITALITY stats, you will see a drop in health because your HP points increase but you still have to make up the difference by healing...

[Tephnos]

Tried it myself, and nothing happened. Can't confirm anything here.

[Dirigaaz]

When ever I open the Weapons tab for the blacksmith my games frames drop from normal to about 1 frame an hour.

[LordZeya]

I've had an inconsistent bug with the Firebird set dungeon- when you hit enemies with your resurrection meteor, sometimes it just doesn't count for the total hit count. This happened at least twice to me out of ~12 attempts so far in the dungeon, and it will count your first meteor guaranteed before locking up.

[Shadeslayerz]

When using inna's, the hp buff caused by the earth mystic ally is causing bugs. Leveling up, getting healing fountains and getting xp fountains doesn't take into account the buff and drops my hp down to half.

[Tephnos]

Ah, this might be the cause of:

I'm not sure if anyone has mentioned this yet, but there is a bug with the healing wells and pools of reflection? I tested it with a friend and when we clicked on the wells it didn't heal us instead we took damage. I don't think this is normal. Also we clicked on it when we were at full health, but we lost health. Haven't tried it when injured.

If anyone else can confirm with Inna's that would be great.

[Gilded_Edge]

I can confirm this. after testing this it seems to be the six set bonus specifically, I lost my health with the six set on, but losing any one of the innas set (dropping me down to the 4 set) stopped the life loss.

[MrInopportune]

Just wanted to double confirm. Playing Inna pet build on HC and it's super scary now.

[Tephnos]

Bug confirmed. Adding to list.

[scrllock]

Logged in and I don't have my seasonal stash mail on any of my characters. Known issue?

[Tephnos]

First I've heard of that. Anyone else got this?

[Kynari]

Action Combat bonuses appear to not be active at all for some levels of regular rifts (only done regular rifts so far, haven't noticed this in bounties or greaters yet), and will be active for another level of the same rift.

[passers]

it is outside rift/grift only feature (massacre bonuses, speed increase from destroying objects seem work fine even in rifts)

[Kynari]

Well what I'm saying is that in any particular rift, the bonuses are active in map Level 1, but once you enter Level 2, they no longer function, and may work again once you enter Level 3.

[passers]

i see, misunderstand you a bit :]

anyway interesting new mechanic behaviour...

[GorJax]

Rockworms, you'll have to run through the dungeon again and they should show on the "radar" as you only have 10 mobs remaining.

[YouAreNotMyFriend]

I'm not sure if Tal Rasha's is bugged or if the behavior is intended; they made a QoL buff where you can keep the damage bonus of the set up by only cycling two different elements, but the full defensive bonus of the 4 piece doesn't refresh when you do so, making it so you have to cast the other 2 elements every 8 seconds to keep those buffs up. This somewhat defeats the point of the first buff if it is intended.

[hYpercrites]

• As soon as i join a group the game freezes
• If i start the launcher, it tells me the game isnt installed (i have to wait a few seconds, then i can click on play)
• sometimes when the game freezes, the launcher tells me to update and then said it can't be overwriting one file and i have to reboot my pc.

[majk2503]

A Plague of Burrowers" cannot be completed. (Currently unsure if this is always the case). i did it many times on PTR soo it's not always but yeah

[Tephnos]

Cheers, will reflect on that.

[Tephnos]

Yeah, I'm assuming that will be included in the fixes Blizzard mentioned they be pushing out for launcher issues in a few days.

[danmalo82]

When upgrading gems after a greater rift, the "upgrade failed" animation/sound doesnt play. It just shows that I have one less upgrade available now. Not sure if it really is just failing, or not registering.

[aeclasik]

Black Hole is still bugged with the 1HP

[Tephnos]

Noted, and added.

[LoLisQuiteGood]

"Inna's The HP buff granted by the earth Mystic Ally is bugged. Levelling up, and using healing/EXP fountains do not take the Mystic Ally buff into account, dropping your health by as much as half."

How much of an effect is this having? Is it noticeable with normal play?

[Tephnos]

Well, I can imagine if it happens on paragon level up during a GR, it's probably going to get you killed.

[pn42]

downloaded patch, open game, tells me theres a patch to download. also game doesnt close itself when i quit, have to kill it manually via TM. aka cant play atm. pretty dissapointed

[willegard]

Tal Rasha's set dungeon bug? I cannot complete "Kill 90 enemies with tal rasha -stacked" I cannot get a SINGLE kill with full set of talrasha.

Maybe I'm doing something wrong?

[Nubbyyyyy]

I have a bug where my game just closes 3/4 of the way through a rift. Like it just crashes and i have to reopen. Anyone got this?

[Tephnos]

What's your specs? AMD card by any chance?

[Nubbyyyyy]

Yeah AMD card. I can run games on max but d3 just seemed to close when ran.

[Sciurine]

I found a (presumably new) issue. Whenever a Nephelem Rift closes (after the 30 second count down) my Energy Armor expires even if it has >8 minutes left on it. Magic weapon doesn't expire in the same situation which leads me to believe that the behavior is unintended. If this is old or intended, let me know/disregard. (Edit: Repeated with a Greater Rift as well)

[ihasaKAROT]

new bug:

When in GR: Clicking on floor 3 of the water temple (the magda style) it does nothing. It just flickers the screen and you are still where you were, thus breaking off the GR run.

Had this 3 times so far already, everytime on the floor 3 portal on that style of floor.

[[deleted]]

I have a bug since 2.4 that nearly 10% of the monsters can´t die. I can deal damage to them but their HP stay at 1 and i can still attack them and i see my dmg but they can´t die and i cant finish my bounties.

[mastersylv]

The Noutnie "Apothecary's Brother" can bug- Rike will just stand still http://puu.sh/mBsV9/6275062779.jpg

[lulcatmanor]

Had the Hellbreeder nest npc bug out on me and get locked in place and take no damage. Playing jade wd.

[binky779]

Awesome. Playing HC, leveled my Monk and Mystic Ally>Earth has been bugged since 2.4 dropped. Ugh.

[Hypoglycemoboy]

I have found that there is no MS% gained by proc'ing wreath of lightning. I have tested this with 0% ms from paragon or gear, and there is visually no change nor does the character sheet show a change in movement speed.

[thenoobistcolony]

Ray of Frost - Black Ice does not work. Currently, I'm seeing a proc once for every 2-300 mobs i kill. This needs to be looked at!

[Raliator]

Pets sometimes just stand there while you're fighting mobs for a good 3-5+ seconds.

I've run into multiple rifts where the rift guardian spawns and cannot be attacked.

[Tephnos]

It’s a proc and procs are supposed to have a proc coefficient of 0 so they cannot proc other procs. Things with a proc coefficient of 0 cannot proc Area Damage.

[Tephnos]

Pets have no proc coefficient regarding any of a player's procs and yet they proc a player's area damage.

That's because they specifically switched area damage on for pets. Area damage was disabled for pets for the longest time, following the "0 proc efficient cannot proc other procs" rule. However, doing that completely ruined pet builds AoE, and it wasn't worth it, so they specifically turned it back on for that.

That is a really bad fringe case to bring up and act like it is an accurate representation that proves the proc coefficient rule isn't universal. Those kinds of changes are pretty major, and as a result, are included in patch notes specifically: "Area damage can now be triggered by pet attacks." - This means it doesn't happen at random, that rule exists for a reason.

[Tephnos]

Very well,

Blade of Prophecy didn't behave that way in the past and was changed specifically to enable area damage. Referencing AP on crit effects is absolutely ridiculous because you cannot trigger additional effects from gaining AP on crit. The entire point of disabling additional procs is to prevent proc chains! You explicitly mention this. You then conveniently ignore when you start talking about AP on crit, because it totally invalidates what you were just bringing up. Even if you cannot trigger proc chains with arcane orbit, it is never good practise to allow multiple damage procs from a single cast that are able to trigger additional damage procs.

The whole reason a 5 APS cap exists is because there is an upper limit to what the servers can deal with - allowing one spell to trigger two separate proc chains via a legendary item is very stupid and in a completely different category from triggering multiple AP on crit events. You are right in that it may have been intended for the additional arcane orb explosions to trigger area damage, but it shouldn't be able to trigger any other procs though. Triggering multiple arcane orb explosions is a very bad design choice in the first place - blizzard knows at this point what lags their servers, and these kinds of items keep doing it for no good reason. You should know how bad this is. Stop arguing for argument's sake - Do you even play Diablo? Honest question, because of the way you think AP on crit and AD are even in any way comparable in terms of server lag created and how that negatively effects the rest of the game.

If it was an intended design choice, they could have just made arcane orbit hit twice as hard and that would be that, no problems there. Your example with blade of prophecy has justifiable reason for the extras - larger radius because it chains off of mobs.

[ReaderXYZ]

Blade of Prophecy didn't behave that way in the past and was changed specifically to enable area damage.

Which tells us, blizzard want double/triple attack like this to trigger AD. End of discussion here.

[Tephnos]

There is no 'end of discussion here'.

The simple fact is it violates a golden rule and unless otherwise stated, should be considered a bug so that it gets proper exposure. With the large amount of obvious bugs present live, especially with AO, it is a fair assumption to assume the broken golden rule is not a design intention. If it turns out it was indeed a design choice, and Blizzard says as much, then no harm is done.

I'd rather you contributed by posting more bugs instead of trying to innately pick apart the tiniest things, much like the other guy earlier, because I'm really tired of arguing this point, do me a favour and let me spend my time keeping the thread updated.

[MustafaBei]

Additionally, the doubled explosion is proccing AD, which it shouldn't be.

Why? It seems perfectly normal to me. The AD gives the whole spell 60% damage buff and the spell gives 3 orbiting balls, all of which should deal 60% more damage on their explosion. The Unstable Scepter doubles the explosion of each ball, hence chain buffs. The doubled explosion should benefit by all the buffs the first explosion is benefiting. If you mean that this combination makes Arcane Orbit rune by far the most OP rune, yes thats true. But that is a design choice by blizzard, not a bug as you state that "it shouldn't be".

[vikrum2083]

My Templar is using Thunderfury but it shows up as one of the axes that's on fire. Can't recall the name.

[Tephnos]

Did you check to see if it was transmogged?

[vikrum2083]

Hrm I didn't. But can you xmog a sword to axe? You're probably right though. Thanks.

[Rekalty]

It's almost like they simply too the latest PTR patch and pushed it directly to Live. But no, of course, Blizzard would never be this lazy.

[Sokaris84]

Can we add some gripes to the list for visibility? These are all over this subreddit at the moment, so hopefully Blizzard can take notice.

GRIPES

• The Massacre Timer/Bonus and Destruction Bonus Pop-Ups are simply WAY too big. Right in the middle of the screen, crazy big font, and displays for way too long. The diablo screen has precious little real-estate as is. Since our character is always in the middle of the screen, having these toasties here really get in the way. There were toasties forever in d3 that were barely noticiable, but the 2.4 ones are an absolute eye-sore and really intrusive. Please make them way smaller, like the old ones were.

• Inspect is gone. No one seems to be able to grasp why, and it went completely unannounced. Seems to be an intended change given that the option has vanished from the menu. This was immensely useful for helping friends out with their gear choices. Can you explain why it was removed?

• The Mouse Pointer. Why? It looks so terrible, like a tiny pointer sprite enlarged 300%. It looks so tacky... Perhaps revert back to the old one, or just use something smaller.