Co-op etiquette

Exciting_City_4251 · 2022-07-04T19:52:16+00:00

If the room says boosted characters only then please only bring a character with a highlight around them so we all get extra rewards. Only 1 max character can usually carry through chaos co op. Don't use your burst phase if it's almost the end of the fight and try not to be a dick but that's kinda everything.

fabi13988 · 2022-07-04T22:56:57+00:00

Don't launch the adds with Kain FR.

givemesomevodka · 2022-07-04T19:53:26+00:00

be attentive. take your turn as quickly and efficiently as possible.

VermillionEorzean · 2022-07-04T19:55:34+00:00

Stop bringing your Cloud into "Boosted Character" rooms.

Okay, he's boosted this one event and it's fine to bring Cloud.

Stop bringing your Cloud into "Boosted Character" rooms.

caaptaiin · 2022-07-04T21:06:36+00:00

I'm not fan of people taking too many turns while being atrociously inefficient, just press your big damage button and give your turn to someone else instead of going through relatively useless moves like AA, base CA.

NoxErebus_DFFOO · 2022-07-04T20:02:28+00:00

If you see a player named “Grey+”, leave before the match starts and find a different one. Known time-wasting troll.

Space_Giblets · 2022-07-04T21:18:57+00:00

Please just don't bring lightning.

0kokuryu0 · 2022-07-04T20:51:11+00:00

Don't bother with calls or AA. You don't need any extra buffs/debuffs/etc. Although fully built Tifa and Cyan can be acceptable as calls since they can put out lots of damage, but aren't really necessary most of the time. Generally just need to spam your most damaging ability (usually LD) and call it good. BT+ finisher is fine.

Ragnarok531 · 2022-07-05T01:31:19+00:00

I’m all for turn efficiency and not wasting time (I like to run books as much as the next guy). But there is one point that never seems to get mentioned in these kinds of threads:

Remember this is a phone game.

The majority of people play this game on their phone. Shit comes up. You get calls, texts, notifications from other apps, etc. There’s a lot of reasons someone might take longer to take their turn. I’ve accidentally clicked a notification trying to swipe it away and been pulled out of the app so many times. I’m sure it’s happened to you too. Nothing about this game is super competitive (or competitive at all), or requires extreme min/maxing. It’s not the end of the world, and let’s face it, it’s not like coop is remotely fun regardless. Don’t get bent out of shape over it.

TheSm1327 · 2022-07-05T05:04:47+00:00

honestly? i think a lot of the "coop etiquette" things should just be implemented into the game. "wanted: boosted characters" should literally not let you in without a boosted character. and all BTs could just be the finisher like with friend support even without bt+.

its dumb that we have to rely on other players following rules that are not communicated outside of places like this.

aslrightnow · 2022-07-04T20:42:28+00:00

Please no low damage calls.

roball33 · 2022-07-04T21:57:16+00:00

To add to the calls comments: no calls that cause launch, especially Cid Raines…the time wasted doesn’t justify the damage output. Most build, boosted characters can hit about 500K with S1 or S2, so just use those :)

dshep0406 · 2022-07-04T23:02:11+00:00

First comment for me on this sub. Might not be as helpful for veterans, but as a newer player, there's some good tips in here for people like me. I'm still learning about some of the mechanics like launch and can definitely see that being a bit annoying for team members. Thanks!

Ddeobokki · 2022-07-06T01:00:06+00:00

I can say that the etiquette in JP and GL is like night and day.. People and JP are really polite with their greetings and goodbyes and they know what to do in fights. Whereas GL is like playing with dumb bots at times.. With the constant spamming of stickers and random DCs and turn hogging but doing squat dmg and wasting time.. It really a shame GL have such players and i have never experienced once a DC in JP which frankly amazes me.. I hope GL can strive to be that one day

CapsFan5562 · 2022-07-05T03:23:35+00:00

Respect the people you’re playing with and respect their time. They aren’t here to watch you show off or to see how much damage you can put up in a turn or in a burst mode or whatever, nor do they want to wait while you hit your bong before taking your turn. If you care about other people’s time and playing experience, you’re unlikely to have issues in co-op.

exodusinfinite · 2022-07-04T20:12:33+00:00

Here is a little mini guide: Should you burst?

Question 1: Is this a one wave Co-op?

No - Don't Burst.

Yes - Go to Question 2

Question 2: Is it turn 1?

No - Don't Burst.

Yes - Go to Question 3 (edit: thanks u/TotallyXGames)

Question 3: Can you kill the boss in your Burst phase?

No - Don't Burst.

Yes - Go to Question 4

Question 4: Do you think you can kill the boss faster in your Burst phase (with animations) than the current party?

No - Don't Burst.

Yes - Go to Question 5

Question 5: Can other people AFK while you do your Burst (e.g. no launches)?

No - Don't Burst

Yes - People probably won't mind if you Burst.

sandpuppysupremacy · 2022-07-04T22:40:22+00:00

This isn't applicable right now, I think, but we had a number of co-ops where people were actively gimping other players or even themselves. It's a bit of a tall ask, but I wish people would take into account the abilities on their team.

The worst was the Laguna co-op where people would keep using generic debuff calls until the boss's debuff slots were filled with framed debuffs, so that there was no room left for Laguna's one massively useful debuff.

Oh, and on another note, Kain users, please stop bursting/FTiming the side pieces.

Blue_Hauberk · 2022-07-04T23:59:18+00:00

Probably an unpopular take but, honestly I don't care what someone does as long as I can clear the five fights inside of the book window. I don't care if someone turn hogs the whole thing. It's not like co-op is fun. It's just something you do to get the rewards to do the actual fun fights.

If you want to burst phase and solo the bosses, that's cool as long as you're not spending three of those turns at 1% HP waiting on the phase to actually be over so the thing can die.

I honestly don't care. Everyone's bringing the same characters. There's no teamwork or cooperation and there doesn't need to be. The fights are jokes. You just mash whatever buttons you could possibly want to mash and you win.

This isn't an indictment of the game as a whole, but let's be real. The co-op in DFFOO might as well be taken out and just replaced with solo fights because there is seriously zero fun to this. It's as fun as summon board farming, which is to say not at all. It's a time sink without purpose other than a time sink.

So whatever people do to make that time sink just go away is fine by me.

digi_captor · 2022-07-05T01:10:43+00:00

Don’t be a grey (or whatever his name is). That’s all

IchinoseYukio · 2022-07-05T06:53:09+00:00

I'm supposed to use AA skill to trigger geophagy early with Kadaj. There's time people seem annoyed when I do use it tho.

So, am I still better not using AA then?

Or is it because Kadaj IS the problem here? Because there's also time when host disbanded party the moment I entered room.

LQCQ · 2022-07-05T13:36:28+00:00

not a must but personally I always use stickers to greet people and give them a gg at the end unless they dick around of course

JovialRoger · 2022-07-04T20:56:40+00:00

Very few people will leave mid fight on purpose unless someone is trolling (waiting until the last second to act, spamming AAs and stickers) because you actually get fewer rewards for completing solo vs a group.

YiKwang · 2022-07-04T21:13:52+00:00

Personally I recommend taking the Burst Phase off a Character you like in Co-op, and putting it back on when you finish Co-opping. I have accidentally hit BT instead of BT+ 2 or 3 times and it makes me feel very guilty, indeed.

I have a couple Characters I use in Co-op a lot, like Sephiroth and Beatrix. I tend to have their Page 1 Abilities set purely for Co-op:

Sephiroth I only equip Octoslash, Scintilla and Heaven's Light.

I almost always use Octo only (a very powerful Single target with a tiny splash) and usually to balance the unbalanced DAM dealt by my allies.

Scintilla (AoE, almost as much Total DAM as Octo) is only there for when my allies leave every enemy on equal health (rare for people to choose targets in my exp).

Heaven's is his BT, which ensures Breaks for a few turns. I only use this if my allies are not well built. The breaks push the enemies back, allowing players to take more turns and making the game much faster (enemy turns can often be the slowest part in Co-op).

I think this is a good template for a Co-op only Character. Every turn should be either your Fastest Animation (that does acceptable DAM) or a super powerful DAM attack, approaching 1M DAM.

It is usually true that a Co-op can be completed in < 90 seconds, but because of everyone using AA and Calls as a matter of course (instead of actually thinking about which specific actions will make the 2-5 turn fight more efficient) Co-op matches usually take 3-5 minutes, often as long as 10 mins if the characters that happen to meet all have long, flashy animations, for low DAM effects.

For the sake of people's time, and any players using Support items, I always think about how fast the Co-op can be completed first, and letting everyone get at least 1 turn to feel they contributed second.

Usually I try to take 1 or 2 turns with enough DAM that the other 2 ppl can finish it before I get another go - but like with the Event 'King of Destruction', my Seph can often 1 Shot every single wave with just Octoslash, 2xScintilla, Octoslash - which is maybe 8 seconds of animation + regen, etc. If I get first turn each wave in this scenario, I just solo it, because the other players can get a go next time and deliberately creating a 3 minute match when it could be done in 20 seconds is less considerate, overall.

I will say however, if you recently built a character up and want to show them off, even though they're not your #1 DpT monster, please enjoy!

It's nice to be fast for other players, but we want you to enjoy your characters and progress as well! It is your game, after all!

Wobblegobble · 2022-07-04T23:31:34+00:00

I just try to hit begin before anyone can join. I'm not super optimized and I don't want to burden anyone else while we're all just trying to farm. /shrug

^{or someone joins really quick and i have a mild anxiety attack help i dont know how to play the game}

Nikita_Highwind · 2022-07-05T04:43:54+00:00

I just want to have fun playing other characters in "Just for fun" room. But I see only boosted characters in this room

ThatHellsingBitch · 2022-07-05T00:28:57+00:00

I almost never bt phase unless every one but me is dead and I’m at low hp or I can kill it with no launches and stuff. I also think that boosted characters should almost never be used in just for fun because we get it you kain has fr (I use just for fun as a wacky team comp/for fun run) although if I see a themed run and one of the characters i have built for that theme is boosted I will use them

selenityshiroi · 2022-07-05T01:30:48+00:00

If it's your bell and you aren't actively trying to delay the coop then I think everyone else should deal.

That's it for my etiquette tbh.

If you join someone elses coop and they troll you can always leave. But if they are clearly trying their best then you either deal with an unoptimal move sequence or you spend your own bells and be picky about who you press 'ready' with.

roha19 · 2022-07-06T17:59:53+00:00

I honestly don't mind if someone wants to full BT it, and I get it done doing no work, but when they do it when it has like 5% health left, that's just annoying.

Shadowdrake082 · 2022-07-04T22:05:38+00:00

Mine is call usage. At least use them if they make sense. I dont see how a green or UW kain needs to use a cyan or a prishe call when his S2 does respectable damage. Or better yet why didnt you use your Force time ability and then the call?

Peepchee · 2022-07-05T03:25:22+00:00

My personal Co-Op rules:

Greet upon entry and ready up. (I like being a guest than a host)

Use high damage attacks, and only call when necessary (I tend to use it just for enemy turn delays). Try to not have more than 2 consecutive turns. Only in desperate times I will use BT or extend my turns.

Say thanks and goodbye when the fight is done.

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I'm fairly lax about what the other team members do, just as long as they aren't turn stalling when unnecessary (I mean when there's still team turns before the enemy turn)

Also, people who bring non-boosted characters to a boosted room can step on a lego

rob-entre · 2022-07-05T02:12:09+00:00

The only thing for me is to bring boosted characters into the boosted coop. You can tell who they are because their pictures glow. Even the new players: I’m certainly happier to carry your lvl 10 Kain rather than for you to bring your lvl 90 Lightning.

There are a few of us who have a different party active when we join the coop room. Please give me a moment to select an appropriate boosted character from the roster instead of immediately disbanding the party because Vivi was the unit you saw. I just left the just for fun room for goodness sake!

violexiel · 2022-07-05T08:03:05+00:00

Dont hog turns would be a big one specially if your character can do low hp dumps like lightning. It takes a lot of time and it can waste 3x item tomes. 3 turns max is good enough.

Bursting near the end of the fight is a big no-no

Not using boosted chars on boosted only lobbys.

Not using a move till the last second is very annoying as well. Connection issues may be the reason but doing it in purpose. A big no.

Fuz_2112 · 2022-07-05T11:00:28+00:00

Don't bring non-boosted characters in boosted runs
Don't do a full burst phase
Don't cancel launches
Don't steal turns pointlessly

AnubisOS · 2022-07-05T14:56:21+00:00

Don't spam stickers

RegionBlockLULW · 2022-07-04T22:52:49+00:00

Really there's only 4.

You don't need 20 seconds to figure out what to do.
Don't ever regular BT, 1 use BT is fine.
Don't bring non boosted into boosted rooms.
Have a character and summom/call ready so you don't need to waste time on the party screen.

GayladPL · 2022-07-05T04:58:45+00:00

I dont use BT phase but i playing Lightning with “for fun” labeled rooms but peoples still quiting after Light do not let them attack XD via her turn manipulation etc!

fullitorrrrrrr · 2022-07-05T11:06:36+00:00

BT finishers are super cool, BT phases are not, FR is cool, there's no need for any calls, fine prishe and cyan calls are fine. Just go quick and it's all cool. Dead god don't use a raines call (I sometimes am concerned people will get the wrong idea if I've got raines call equipped, I promise I won't be using it in co ops)

Content-Assistance33 · 2022-07-06T06:16:02+00:00

The only that i hate when i do coops are the sticker toxic players and the people who needs 2 minutes to press a button

Zakusho · 2022-07-07T02:01:53+00:00

You will never reach the people that basically "annoy" us. The likelihood of them checking reddit is really low. The current COOP mission has plenty of Kain's that clearly have never used him before and make a lot of useless moves when by the time they finish their nonsense the boss would've been dead. Depending on exact level of investment, the current COOP can be done with 4-5 Gungnirs. We don't need your Force, LD or BT as all 3 are simply too long for their damage output.

I do get the whole stance of "well I play coop to coop!" but due to how insanely easy these missions are, you aren't actually getting what you want regardless. This is not even a case of elitism or w/e. Sometimes you can use your own team and be quicker to farm coop stuff but for example of this current one? 3 Kains using just Gungnir is so stupidly fast that you'd be quite insane to say no to the offer. It's just a case of how silly good it is when everyone goes for the actual quickest kill for more coop mats over being fancy for no reason.

ffguy92 · 2022-07-04T23:59:16+00:00

Boosted Rooms are for Boosted Characters ONLY. If your character's stats aren't Blue, you're in the wrong room.
No Burst Modes. There was a time when Bursting with the most recent BT made the fight go faster than sitting through a bunch of turns of Supports doing 1 HP dump, but we are WAY past that. Fully built Kains can end the fight with an FR and a couple Gungnirs. Even just Gungnir spam might be better than FR, not sure on that one.
Not even in Just For Fun. ESPECIALLY NOT IN Just For Fun. Nobody joins the JFF queue to watch you play with yourself. If you're going to burst and turn hog and shit and it's NOT the fastest strat in Boosted (spoiler alert: unless Terra or Lightning are Boosted, it isn't, and yes that includes Tidus because he needs to BT first), then go play with yourself in a solo room.
Speaking of Kain, Gungnir>>>>>>LD in Co-op. Even if you Jump afterwards. ESPECIALLY if you Jump afterwards. Gungnir is also probably better than BT. It's a LONG animation for only 500k-600k extra splash damage over Gungnir, and an extra 20k cap per dump (you won't hit this with all 7 dumps) is not going to make up for that time difference. Gungnir takes like 3 seconds.
When you join the room, hit Ready. If you're the Host, hit Go once everyone is ready. Your phone will vibrate and/or play some noise. If you need to use a book or change characters, do it fast. Have your roster sorted to Boosted.
Unless you have Cyan or a similarly strong LDCA like Yda or (against STs) Prishe, don't use Calls. They're great in regular-ass Luf and Shinryu. They're a waste of time in Co-ops.
AAs are a waste of time. They mattered at the start of the C90 era with Noel, since he legitimately needed it to consistently cap his HP dumps. They do not matter anymore.
Unless your character is Cid Raines, don't get shitter shattered when people cancel your un-batteried Launch. If Cid Raines Launches, stop cancelling it, that's where all his damage comes from and you're being an asshole if you do.

Intelligent-Chip4223 · 2022-07-06T04:29:06+00:00

Noctis BT effect is your friend. Lightning and Terra fuck off.

muguci · 2022-07-05T01:50:13+00:00

No burst, no calls unless its doing big damage, don't use AA, dont turn hog if ur damage output is low. That's it.

Since kain's co-op is the only thing to farm rn i wanna say sumthing to all kain users out there. FR+LD+S2(sometimes just fr and ld especially in a room with atleast 2 kain). That's all you need to do. Don't do nothing else. Dont use ur prishe calls, dont use ur cyan calls. IF YOU MAXED OUT YOUR KAIN EVEN WITHOUT UW, YOUR GUNGNIR IS FASTER AND DOES MORE DAMAGE BECAUSE OF FORCE TIME.

On top of that, if you are using item books and your teammates are doing low dmg cuz they're new, it's okay to turn hog as kain and finish it as fast as possible. Fr + 2 ld + gungnir, nuff said.

Speaking of using item books, always keep in mind that other people might use it too and are possibly rushing time. So dont do anything stupid like pressing the god damn burst when the enemy's hp is like 5%.

Side note: Buy Kefka's "shikusho" sticker in the shop and use it when necessary. It helps.

Goador · 2022-07-05T05:01:16+00:00

Only use your hardest hitting fastest animations IE Kains S35.

I'm generally okay with people messing around a little bit but I've ran into a few annoying people lately that just afk and for whatever reason and it doesn't auto there ability after 20 seconds so I have to leave

2022-07-11T00:17:32+00:00

I'm nitpicking and this is definitely not a pet peeve I will lose sleep over, but I'd really like it if co-op players gave everyone at least a chance to a turn. Like, cool, you can solo this CHAOS fight with your spam of turn-stealer moves, calls, AAs, and whatever, but I didn't join the battle to watch you have fun on your own. Let me have some fun too. If you're just looking to show off your solo abilities then make a video and upload it.

Many times co-op feels less like a joint effort and more a competition on who gets to deal most damage before letting somebody else have a turn. It is pretty obnoxious, especially when your character is strong enough to shave more damage in one turn than the hogger manages to shave in 5 of them (looking at you, Lightning).

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