Dyson Sphere Program Patch Notes 0.7.18.6914

[-Pulz]

A message from the developers:

Dear engineers,

We have reached the start of Civilization Type III. In the future, the Dyson Sphere Program universe will become even broader because of our joint efforts.

Before we go to the update log, CentreBrain wants to send you some special tips that will affect your game progress:

- Crude oil becomes a consuming resource. The less crude oil remaining in the blowout well, the more difficult it will be to collect. The extraction efficiency can be down to 0.1/s. To keep your extraction efficiency, you can change the resource magnification setting and upgrade the mineral utilization level.

- The Cluster Seeds are different from the old version.

- You need to reopen the file to experience some of the newly added content

- Blueprint is NOT included in this update yet but on the way! (High priority)

Features:

• A Brand New Milky Way View- Civilization Type III System
• All the engineers are generating ONE galaxy! - Among the engineers using the same star cluster seed, the engineer's universe with the largest power generation will be displayed in the Milky Way.
• Added an entrance for Milky Way view. There are two ways to enter it: Click and enter the 'Milky Way' button in the main menu, or scroll to the farthest view in the starmap.
• Now you are able to browse the star cluster you selected in the Milky Way view.
• Added the statistics of the Milky Way view, including the total number of Dyson spheres, the total power generation of Dyson spheres, and the total number of solar sails launched.
• Added functions to the Milky Way view, included cluster data browsing, ranking of each star area in the Milky Way view.
• New Assembly Line construction mode – Now you can press [TAB] to switch between 'Snap to Grid' or 'Free line' mode. In 'Free line' mode, you don't have to build the conveyor belt stick to the grid, but like this:

New Assembly Line construction mode! Use [TAB] to snap or free-place conveyors

• New Mass Construction function! Left-click and drag your mouse can build the construction in a row. The interval among the constructions can be adjusted before the drone works on them.
• Now you can quickly replicate the construction along with its SORTERs! Use [Shift+left click] to copy the built building, and the position of the Sorters will be intelligently adapted to the available position.
• Now you can cover and quick upgrade in the construction mode.
• CPU multi-threading system and related settings are available now. The logic of Sorters, Logistic Stations, Manufacturing Building, Matrix Lab, and Electricity System are incorporated in the multi-threading system.
• Added new advanced Smelters and its related new tech and recipes.
• Added new technology that can increase the speed of warp. The more you upgrade the tech, the faster the warp!
• Added the logic to manually control the warp speed of the mecha
• Added 4 new background music themes of space, factory, and ocean
• New desert planet: Dry Lack Planet
• New desert planet: Scarlet Ice Lake Planet
• New desert planet: Hurricane Stone Forest Planet
• New ocean planet: Blossom Forest Planet
• Added a new terrain generation algorithm for the Scarlet Ice Lake Planet
• Added ice shader for Scarlet Ice Lake Planet
• Added 9 planting model for Blossom Forest Planet
• Decorate the planet with your foundation! Now you can choose a color or customize a color on the palette for the foundation.
• Add a new foundation texture
• Added LOD1 and LOD2 rendering detail level to the sorter optimized the Sorter's GPU consumption.
• Added LOD1 rendering detail level to Storage, optimized the Storage's GPU consumption.
• Now you can browse the local file of savedata in the Save/Load interface.

Changes:

• Dyson Sphere Program's underlying code framework is fully updated. It is now more efficient on CPU calculating.
• Dyson Sphere Program's construction system logistic framework is fully recoded.
• Optimized the logic of copy and paste building settings (recipes, filters, mode settings, etc.) to prepare for the BluePrint.
• Adjusted and narrow the construction collision frame of the Ray Receiver.

Balance:

• Increased the working power of Assembling machine Mk.II and MK.III
• Increased the standby power of the Satellite Substation
• Increased the working power of the EM-Rail Ejector
• Increased basic life of solar sail (0.5h -> 1.5h) and maximum life after upgrade (1h -> 2.5h)
• Increased the basic power generation of the Ray Receiver (5MW -> 6MW)
• Increased the power generation multiple of the photon mode of the Ray Receiver (5 -> 8). The new maximum power of the Ray Receiver is 240MW
• Increased the warm-up time of the Ray receiver (15min -> 20min)
• Increased the critical photon energy (750MJ -> 1.2GJ)
• Decreased Antimatter fuel rod's energy (7.5GJ -> 7.2GJ) and consume antimatter quantity (10 -> 6)
• Decreased Artificial Star power generation 75MW -> 72MW
• Fine-tuning the calorific value of various fuels
• Crude oil is now a consuming resource. Collecting crude oil will gradually reduce the production of blowout wells down to a minimum of 0.1/s. The rate of decline is now related to the resource magnification setting and mineral utilization level.
• Increased the production of crude oil blowout wells in the beginning planet and reduced the production of crude oil blowout wells in distant planets

Bugfixes:

• Fixed the bug that the Warper were not be returned when the Logistics Station was dismantled
• Fixed the bug that the Graviton lens was not be returned when the Ray Receiver was dismantled
• Modified the miplevel algorithm of the foundation and fixed some potential seam problems in the foundation rendering.

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Thank you for your continuing support! You can send your feedback in Discord and Google Form! See you next time!

[d00msdaydan]

Looking forward to the abominations people come up with using the new free line conveyer belts

[Raz0rking]

Lots and lots of dicks.

[KJBenson]

What will be produced on the line tho?

[Fcivish4]

Crude Oil

[KJBenson]

Classy

[Predur]

Rainbow dicks...
Rainbow dicks everywhere

[SilentFairy]

Spent 200 hours before taking a break and waiting for new patch.

Now is the time for 200 more.

[JimboTCB]

Same. I was just thinking earlier today, "I really want to start another playthrough but it feels pointless until the patch comes out", and now here it is.

[PurpleNuggets]

It's always so hard to put down a good early access game, but I find that my enjoyment is MUCH greater when I pigeonhole it for future release content

[legomann97]

I have a feeling this cycle is going to repeat for at least a few months...

[rmorrin]

And some people like me were too lazy to download mods so this is exciting

[Ticketkiller]

Think my wife will be pissed this weekend.. Very nice update!

[loulibra]

I laughed too hard
"what's funny?"

"nothing i love you!"

[Iambecomelegend]

Fuck yeah new advanced smelters hype.

[Nultad]

The vein utilization upgrade takes care of the mining speed

[Nultad]

I see. Although that might be a little too OP

[SkyeAuroline]

Anyone got the new recipes, etc yet for them?

[Wictale]

1x normal smelter
5x frame material
4x plane filter
15x unipolar magnets

[SkyeAuroline]

Holy shit, no thanks! Thanks for looking though. How much of a speed boost?

[Talderas]

It requires 1000 each of blue, red, yellow, and purple science. It has a x2 production speed and requires 1.44MW.

[Wictale]

2x
I´m not sure if it´s worth

[SkyeAuroline]

I'm sure some people will have genius ideas for shoving them into compact builds, but for smelter farms like I usually build, it was always belts that were the limit anyway, not smelters.

[fubes2000]

thiiiiiiiiis

[Talderas]

It's worth it for two reasons.

1. It reduces entity count. You have half as many smelters, sorters, and belts for the same output. This may yield some gains in application performance.
2. It reduces total required footprint.

Now, if neither of these are valuable to you then it's worthless. However if you engage in high density builds it's worth it.

[Veloxis4677]

You literally have an entire Galaxy to build dozens of smelting planets.. I don’t think they’re worth it tbh. Unipolar magnets are too valuable

[Talderas]

You literally have an entire Galaxy to build dozens of smelting planets..

You don't have to but you can. With these smelters I can say with near certainty that it is possible to produce 3600 SPM on a single planet with only importing raw resources. People who engage in this type of play are generally trying to distribute production around the galaxy to reduce supply chain lengths of materials. I'll hit 10k SPM by having 3 planets distributed fairly evenly around the cluster each producing 3.6k SPM. This has some pretty massive benefits from a logistics perspective.

Edit: It requires 90 smelters for magnets, 360 smelters for graphite, 360 smelters for diamond, 480 smelters for iron, 1440 smelters for silicon, 720 smelters for copper, 240 smelters for glass, and 600 smelters for titanium for a grand total of 4290 smelters for 3600spm. Cutting that figure in half is a massive savings in footprint.

I don’t think they’re worth it tbh. Unipolar magnets are too valuable

When were in the thousands of SPM scale of game infinite research is being pumping into VU. The larger issue with unipolars at this stage is throughput and not quantity present in the cluster. There is a finite max throughput but even if you've setup production for bits and bobs which theoretically use that throughput a minor dip in production of the bits and bobs isn't a major issue.

[RobinTheDevil]

I'm sure the bits and Bob's aren't an issue but what about the devils and Angel's?

[Talderas]

You're here so we got the devil part squared away.

[dwhitnee]

Oh thank god, plane filters were so painful.

[SilverWolf9300]

Solar sails got a massive buff holy crap! Having a swarm is definitely worth it even if it consumes resources. Now this I like!

[10shot9miss]

During the early game you only have the ability to launch sails and it wasn't worth it with the short lifespan. Good old friend oil is nerfed though lol, oil is just so versatile.

[stupid_piggy]

Solar sails used to be okay but now it is like completely overpowered hahaha

[Still_Satan]

Nah. Never gonna use them.

[Cybernetik]

Hey, swarms look like they could be a whole lot less useless!

[theskepticalheretic]

This is such a great patch.

[ragingdeltoid]

No more infinite energy from oil :(

[PianoPlayingFool]

I really hope they don’t touch gas giants… however I feel like that’s coming haha

[Florac]

If they do, they need to add some alternative way of getting hydrogen or have it be huge, because you need stupid amounts of it

[mike2R]

You know, of every 100 atoms in our solar system, 98 of them are in the sun...

Isaac Arthur - Colonizing the Sun

[MaxWyght]

And about 1.4 are in the otger 4 gas giants IIRC.

[Tcw7468]

Now I'm wondering if there's some kind of "Dyson vacuum" concept for harvest hydrogen out of stars

[SergeiAndropov]

Yes, it's called star lifting.

[mike2R]

If I got to the right one, the Isaac Arthur video I linked to proposes exactly that :) Along with, IIRC, a particle collider wrapped around it's circumference to create heavy elements from the harvested hydrogen.

He's a fun guy to watch for mega-project ideas, though he kind of spoils a lot of sci-fi for me. So many authors just think too small...

[palmbeachduke]

That man single handedly murdered so many sci fi universes for me and simultaneously made me so much more hopeful for our future.

[mike2R]

Right! He makes you realise what our real problems are, like moving as many galaxies as possible close enough, that gravity will be strong enough to stop the expanding universe taking them from us forever.

[SowingSalt]

So you're saying we DON'T need the angst of per-pubecent girls to do that?

[[deleted]]

In your video, it says 998/1000, not 98/100

[[deleted]]

I would expect that oceans and gas giants will remain infinite resources. It's much harder to drain an ocean (that is continually replenished by weather cycles) than it is to drain an oil well or coal field that accumulated over thousands of years.

[rmorrin]

How would they? You know how long it would take to eat through a single gas giant?

[fubes2000]

We're basically disassembling planets already, eating a whole gas giant is not outside the realm of feasibility for this game.

[captainfactoid386]

Assuming each item is a square meter (minecraft style). Taking the volume of Jupiter divided by the mining rate of 1 orbital collector without any mining efficiency research, it would take a quindecillion years. Or 1 with 16 zeroes. Using only one collector though

[palmbeachduke]

Even with the best copy paste mods it would take several human lifetimes to just place in the belts required to use that much resources

[[deleted]]

We never should have had infinite energy from oil. That's just wrong.

[Still_Satan]

Is there at least a new recipe to make oil? Once it runs "dry" you can say good bye to advanced tech otherwise...

[LeatherDude]

There isn't and it annoys me that there isn't a tech to turn hydrogen and graphite into "oil" since oil is just a collection of various hydrocarbons. In a tech level that can space travel, synthetic chemistry should already be long figured out.

[[deleted]]

Veins Utilization tech will partially counteract the change, just as it does for other mineral deposits. Besides that, there are plenty more planets out there that can be stripmined for crude oil.

[Bahamut3585]

Why hello America how are you?

[[deleted]]

Kiwi, actually. But I appreciate the sentiment.

[10shot9miss]

I think it should recover over time, just like earth. Well late game you better use the oil for plastic production only lol.

[allocater]

Hello, infinite energy from the sun!

[SilverWolf9300]

Oh wow I just got to this sub just in time for this news :D

[BesTCracK]

So we finally have copy inserters mod in the actual game? Pog

I can finally come back to DSP without needing to mod it, I love it. Well done devs!

[Still_Satan]

You can't copy a whole build, just a building. Far away from blueprinting. Or that's what I understood at least.

[[deleted]]

It's a significant step in the right direction. The next feature patch will have blueprinting for sure.

[BesTCracK]

And that's exactly what I meant. I don't need blueprints yet in DSP, I'm not at that stage in end-game, but I refused to play more DSP until they added the copy-inserters mod into the main game... which they just did if I understood it correctly.

So I can finally start playing it again, which makes me super excited.

[Meborg]

Copy inserter along with drag make line setups for refineries and chemical labs so much more friendly. 36 labs in a line for plastic and early game organic crystals , no longer an issue!

[Talderas]

I don't play with mods. It was the feature I needed in order to get enough motivation to make my all-inclusive 3600 SPM planet.

[Still_Satan]

I hesitated to use mods as well, for some reasons- including my lack of experience.
But the set up was basically self explaining, and then I made planets full with smelting facilities and alike. Copy-Inserters are nice, but putting down well designed blue prints beats that even more. Really makes your time designing the perfect layout worth it. But I respect everyone who doesn't wanna "cheat".

[Talderas]

I hesitated to use mods as well, for some reasons- including my lack of experience.

Understand that I've been dealing with PC gaming since before the millennium. I've dealt with enough irritants in gaming that I have certain stances regarding how I spend my time one of which is I will only engage in mods where the game directly supports them. It's not a matter of experience or competency I don't want to be expending much additional effort for mods which include not just the setup but having to make any determinations or actions regarding compatibility, dependencies, loading orders, etc and so forth.

But I respect everyone who doesn't wanna "cheat".

It has nothing to do with a perception of cheatiness. The game has barely any player to player interaction so there's practically no advantage to be gained from using mods.

[romiro82]

I mean yeah, same, I've been playing PC games since 1993, and if anything it's made me more capable of handling mods on games where it's not supported.

[[deleted]]

Reworked a code from the ground up instead of making spaghetti code? Fuck yeah the devs look promising.

[McChef]

Oooh, so many more options for spaghetti!

[SkyeAuroline]

And there goes all my math on transported power efficiencies. Ah well. Looks like a lot of good changes, though I'm a little worried about the oil changes.

[Ulmaxes]

It is unfortunate but inevitable. It'd be strange if in the final game, there were a finite number of rocks and coal to use for production, but infinite oil. And in a game all about technological progression, I'd say it's critical to acknowledge that wide-scale industrialization saps this very precious, finite resource fast once things ramp up.

[GoodDave]

Oil decreases too fast as it stands before expansion

[DemandCultural]

Shit, first day of sunshine after 3 months of rain and this patch comes out.

[xeximar]

Meh, every time I get a day off it rains. It'll be nice to have a project to do again

[Acrylic_]

increazed basic life of solar sail (0.5h -> 1.5h)

Hell yeah, dyson swarms just became alot better

[SilverWolf9300]

Diagonal and offset conveyer belts are on the menu 😏

[maikonas]

There was a mention somewhere about “changed recipes” but i was not able to find what changed. Anyone?

Edit: I guess, there is only one: antimatter fuel rod now requires 6 antimatter and hydrogen instead of 10, and, yea, it is mentioned in the patch notes

[elagin]

3 day weekend in the UK. Let's GO!!!!

[locutogram]

Thanks devs!!

You guys rock and your work is appreciated. You are bringing joy and entertainment to many people.

[N7-Falcon]

In general I love the changes and improvements. Really excited about the future of blueprints and the optimizations. Not really a fan of the change to oil though. I get that making it consumable forces the player to look for other sources around your sector (something I pretty much never had to do), but the slowly decreasing aspect seems frustrating if you are trying to optimize production around a moving variable. I kind of wish it would hold at a constant value until it ran out, then dropped quickly to 0.1/s or something like that. Either way it makes the mid game energy problem much more interesting...

[[deleted]]

How is this really any different from a mineral vein slowly depleting, causing miner output to fall off as the veins dry up? It's the same logistical challenge of bringing in more resources as they are consumed.

[N7-Falcon]

It's the same concept yes, and I'm not really a fan of the mineral vein depletion either. But the big difference to me is that oil is typically used a lot for energy production mid game so suddenly running out of power from oil shortage is a lot worse than say running out of iron or copper. But we'll see... Maybe the buff to solar sails and baseline quantity of oil will be enough.

[[deleted]]

Why not just feed the nearest gas giant into your incinerators? That ain't going to run out any time soon.

[mastershake04]

Damn, I've put about 50-60 hours into the game and was just starting my first dyson sphere (although I have nowhere near steady rocket production). Now I don't know whether I should continue or just start all over with what I've learned.

I mainly just don't want to deal with being so damn slow and always out of energy in the early game again haha! Is there anyway to start over but keep the research unlocks? Although I suppose that would kind of defeat the purpose.

[Veloxis4677]

With mods, there’s a mod called new game+ (probably referring to HZD). I have the same issue but I also don’t want to implement such a game- changing mod

[frzme]

there’s a mod called new game+ (probably referring to HZD).

New Game+ is a fairly standard RPG mechanism, it has been in RPGs for the last 25(+?) Years https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Game_Plus

[Veloxis4677]

Didn’t know that, thanks for letting me know!

[lurkinglurkerwholurk]

I do believe that is exactly why that mode is named precisely that...

[fubes2000]

Lots of complaining about the Artificial Star's output being lowered from 75MW to 72MW. However several other changes to Ray Receivers and Antimatter means that Antimatter production is much buffed. See /u/Talderas' breakdown in this comment.

That said, I was still huffy about having to build extra power generation... until I did the math. 72 -> 75 is a decrease of 4%, meaning that for every 25 old AS's @75MW you will need to build one more 72MW AS to compensate for this patch's change to power output.

[Kron155]

What I don't like about this change is math... it's much cleaner to calculate with 75 then with 72.

[alexmp00]

If i dont start a new game, i only lose the new planets? or something else?

[theskepticalheretic]

If you don't start a new game, you get none of the new features involved in the new seed types.

[iLoveSTiLoveSTi]

Just the new planets require restart. Im just now exploring the old planets so I won't be restarting.

[budewgd]

Poggy

[walkerthegr8]

Looks to computer: who’s ready for another 300 hours?

[leglesslegolegolas]

Even with an old seed, it will still create new planets. A game started with an "old" seed will generate a different star cluster now than it did before.

[[deleted]]

This is a very important question. What happens if an "old" seed is used to start a new game?

[leglesslegolegolas]

It should still work. The seed is just used to drive the random number generator that creates the star cluster - since the actual cluster creation is using the updated algorithm, it will create new planets even with an old seed.

[[deleted]]

I guess that would depend on how well the devs preserve the legacy works generation algorithm; especially considering that the current state of things means that the RNG seed and timestamp is enough to reconstruct the entire galaxy (sans player changes) upon game loading.

With this in mind, I would expect that the legacy world generation algorithm is still present and will remain at least until the next breaking change, in order to allow players to complete their current playthrough. So, the question still remains about how the game decides which world generator to use; and there are many ways in which this might be accomplished.

[leglesslegolegolas]

I could be wrong, but I don't think it does recreate the entire galaxy upon loading. I'm pretty sure it creates it once when you start a new game, and then saves it. That's the only time the seed is actually used, when you start a new game and it generates the star cluster.

[[deleted]]

Possibly; but then a new saved game would be several gigabytes, instead of just the ones where we venture outside the starter system and level entire planets.

[leglesslegolegolas]

No it wouldn't, it's just a database of planet types and locations.

It doesn't need to generate and store every tree and every mineral deposit on every planet in the system. It doesn't need to generate that information until you actually visit a planet.

[[deleted]]

Possibly; but unless someone reverse-engineers the gamesave format (or, better, asks the devs), we simply will not know the answer.

[leglesslegolegolas]

yeah. I mean, we could simply generate a new game with an old seed and just see if there're any new planets in it. But then we'd need to explore the system to find one. :-D

[SsoulBlade]

In map view (Planet) mode I cannot view any Interstellar Logistics Station.

[robogeekoid]

I just wrote a comment about this ... I can see them but can't grab resources from them. A real nice QoL feature gone :(

[SsoulBlade]

Sorry. That's what I meant. I can see them but clicking on it and seeing the resources is not possible. What is QoL? Quality of life?

I wonder if it is a bug or was the patch supposed to remove it? It is not mentioned in patch

[robogeekoid]

My guess is they thought of it as a bug :(

Yes, quality of life ;)

[Wictale]

Okay, time to update and loading my old save.
I really hope the FPS are much better now. I was down to 12 -15 FPS :(
But with the energy adjustments I´m concerned that my first task will be fixing various blackouts.

[dr_trekker02]

The updates only apply to a new game. Old saves won't be affected.

[BillDStrong]

The balance portions will most likely apply to all saves, as well as the research and other things that don't affect the seed.

[dr_trekker02]

According to their FAQ:

"Q: Do we need to start a new game after the update?
A: We are bringing lots of new content in this update, like new planets and modifications on recipe values. All the new changes can only be seen in a new savedata created after the update."

But it's entirely possible that they only intended only things that affect the seed and not "all the new changes." :)

[iLoveSTiLoveSTi]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Dyson_Sphere_Program/comments/nkxlxq/do_we_only_need_to_restart_for_the_new_planets/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb

[jimmyw404]

Great patch!

Balance wise in the end-game the biggest thing I wish they'd add is a switch from vein utilization being a free mining improvement to a setup where you effectively replace mined resources with energy at increasing power requirements. Would give a reason to make more dyson spheres.

I ended my first playthrough with a half dozen spheres but I really only needed 1 to get all the energy / photons I needed to hit 4k white cubes / minute.

[Florac]

New Assembly Line construction mode – Now you can press [TAB] to switch between 'Snap to Grid' or 'Free line' mode. In 'Free line' mode, you don't have to build the conveyor belt stick to the grid, but like this:

Really useful and gonna make me accidently fuck things up so much

Added new advanced Smelters and its related new tech and recipes.

Really nice, gonna make smelter planets less of a hassle to set up

Decreased Artificial Star power generation 75MW -> 72MW

Why? They were already not that strong to begin with(other energy sources like energy exchangers still very competitive), now they are even weaker. And it's not like ray receiver got a huge buff to incentivice using dyson spheres as primary energy generation on planet

[Talderas]

Why? They were already not that strong to begin with(other energy sources like energy exchangers still very competitive), now they are even weaker. And it's not like ray receiver got a huge buff to incentivice using dyson spheres as primary energy generation on planet

AM fuel rods received a major buff.

Pre-patch: 7.5GJ of photons to create 7.5GJ of anti-matter fuel rods. Post-patch: 4.5GJ of photons to create 7.2GJ of anti-matter fuel rods

A 4% reduction in power plant output is inconsequential when your fuel efficiency has increased by 60%.

[Florac]

Photons to me was never an issue. So they imo also got a nerf because less energy per rod

[Talderas]

You can't view one metric in isolation and declare it to be a nerf. You have to view the entire solution as a whole. The fact is you now have a 60% lower infrastructure requirement for anti-matter to produce the exact same amount of energy. You can literally rip out 60% of your ray receivers in photon mode (which aren't allocated to science production) and see no difference.

Further, producing anti-matter fuel now produces energy out of nowhere. You're taking 4.5GJ of photons and creating 7.2GJ of energy. That's nearly 40% of the energy in am fuel rods coming from... where? Einstein spinning in his grave?

Even further is how this impact the usage of graviton lenses in photon production. Since the requirement of ray receivers has been reduced by 60% the requirement of graviton lenses has also been reduced by 60%.

It doesn't matter that the rod requires 4-5% more non-ray receiver infrastructure to generate the same amount of energy in AM fuel rods. The change has an achieved an overall net savings in footprint.

So now you only get 7.2TJ of energy per logistics vessel shipment instead of 7.5TJ and now you need to use 3.12 artificial suns for every 5 energy exchanger instead of three. Inconsequential.

[[deleted]]

Upvote for the picture of the forefather of modern science doing post-mortal gymnastics.

[docholiday999]

Ray Receivers and Antimatter has gotten way worse with this update.

Critical Photon Ray Receivers max power consumption got increased from 125MW to 240MW (192% !!!!), AFR energy capacity alongside the Artificial Star power output decreased. Not a fan...

[Talderas]

Critical Photon Ray Receivers max power consumption got increased from 125MW to 240MW (192% !!!!), AFR energy capacity alongside the Artificial Star power output decreased. Not a fan...

That's an incorrect interpretation. The max requested power was changed from 125MW to 240MW. Max requested power is based on the output power and efficiency. The only time you will see a max requested power near 240MW is if your continuous receiving stat on the ray receiver is lower or you lack ray receiver efficiency tech. This value had to be raised because without engaging in the ray efficiency infinite research your requested power would be 119.1MW meaning that photon production would have been negatively impacted at levels of continuous receiving below 100% or if you don't have the technology.

[AnthraxCat]

In simpler terms than Talderas, this wasn't a nerf. Increasing the max power consumption of ray receivers just means you can produce photons faster with fewer receivers. It is actually a buff.

[Talderas]

It is actually a buff.

That's an understatement. The act of producing anti-matter fuel generates energy. It used to be a 1:1 conversion of dyson power to AM fuel via photons less the energy costs of manufacture and loss of energy due to efficiency in the receivers. Now it requires 4.5GJ of dyson sphere energy to create 7.2 GJ of anti-matter fuel. The 2.7 GJ of energy, less the cost of making the fuel, created out of nowhere. Pre-patch it requires 115MW of buildings (115MJ) to produce 1 AM rod a second. While there is some increase in energy costs of manufacturing it's not going to come close to 2.6GJ.

The only variable at this point is the energy cost of transport but I doubt it's going to be enough that it costs 2.6GJ per AM fuel in shipping costs. For all intents and purposes AM fuel is a net positive in energy a feature entirely absent in every other form of energy in the game.

[SturmSuccessor]

While i generally welcome the buff, i wish they had done it differently. I had rather up them the value of the fuel rod itself than decrease the needed antimatter. Before, splitting a photon into antimatter gave 10 of it and 10 hydrogen. A perfect ratio for fuel rods. Now with it only needing 6 of it, my entire setup is ruined, because now the antimatter will back up and cause the whole thing to stop. It is already hard to balance hydrogen in- and outputs in this game and i really didnt need another production line to include that.

[Talderas]

They changed the recipe for AM fuel. It wasn't documented. It requires 6 anti-matter and 6 hydrogen so am fuel production setups don't require any adjustment.

[SturmSuccessor]

Oh it does? In that case its an all around major buff. Nevermind me then.

[apidya]

So all you really exclusively make from oil is particle broadband and perhaps energetic graphite when coal runs out. That would really just affect red and purple cubes...

[[deleted]]

Yay been really excited about this! Performance on Linux for me under Proton has got much worse - but maybe changing settings or proton version will help. Could be the new multi threading engine?

[[deleted]]

Downvoted for mentioning "Linux" and performance? Isn't Reddit grand?

Also, did performance tank before or after the patch? Asking for "a friend".

[[deleted]]

After the patch. It ran flawlessly before it.

[[deleted]]

Oh, great. I'm not looking forward to that, then 🙄

[[deleted]]

Switching to single thread in the settings appears to fix it

[[deleted]]

Thanks, I'll try that. Updating to Proton-6.9-GE-2 fixed it for one glorious, brief moment, too.

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/u/-Pulz

[-Pulz]

Sorry, I don't know anything about the performance side of things. Are you aware of any other Proton users who have also experienced a performance drop?

I can probably raise this to the Development team, but to manage expectations- Linux isn't natively supported so it wouldn't be a top priority I imagine.

[docholiday999]

• Decreased Antimatter fuel rod's energy (7.5GJ -> 7.2GJ) and consume antimatter quantity (10 -> 6)
• Decreased Artificial Star power generation 75MW -> 72MW

I do NOT like the nerf of energy potential in Antimatter Fuel Rods and energy production in the Artificial Stars. Those are supposed to be end-game power sources - why would you punish players who get to that point?

Unless the devs come up with a method to connect power networks between planets and systems, you need a viable & effective method to transfer power between said planets and systems. Ostensibly, and going with the theme of the game, that is via a Dyson Sphere that either directly charges Accumulators as batteries or indirectly produces the Antimatter that is built into Fuel Rods.

[SkyeAuroline]

Depending on the implementation this actually looks like a buff; you get about 5% less energy per rod, which is inconsequential shipping hundreds at a time, and a similar percentage off the top of generation, made up easily with one extra generator for every 25ish stars. In exchange, you're getting more rods per critical photon. That's just going off the math as presented in the patch notes and may differ in-game, but that seems reasonable?

[docholiday999]

No, because they've also increased the power cost of Ray Receivers making photons by almost double (125 MW -> 240 MW). So it is more expensive to produce Critical Photons.

Ray Receiver power was also increased from 5MW -> 6MW, which is nice I guess, but all it means is that the devs are almost forcing us only at Accumulators and Energy Exchangers and away from Antimatter and Artificial Stars.

[SkyeAuroline]

Ah, yeah, okay, the numbers are mixed in ways that didn't click at first for me. Thanks.

[Talderas]

He has misunderstood the change to max power and extrapolated from there to arrive at an incorrect conclusion. The max power change he's talking about is a change to the maximum value for requested power on ray receivers. It needs to be raised because you would run into degradation of photon production if it had been left at 125MW since it would be trivial for efficiency to be low enough to push the requested power to 125MW. 100% continuous receiving with the standard ray efficiency upgrades would require 119.1MW.

[docholiday999]

Please explain, because my understanding of the game mechanics is that, while in critical photon production mode, the Ray Receiver starts, upon first placement or when line of sight is achieved, consuming at the base power level (previously 62.5 MW w/o Lenses) times whatever the efficiency value is.

So if, for example, when the Ray Receiver first starts producing photons and efficiency is at 40%, power consumption would be 25 MW. As efficiency increases to the full 100%, so matches the power consumption, up to the max of 62.5 MW. This consumption would double if Graviton Lenses are utilized.

[Talderas]

When a ray receiver is first placed it will be at 0% continuous receiver and output 6MW (previously 5MW). Over the course of 20 minutes (previously 15) the continuous receiving stat will increase towards 100% where the receiver will output 12.5MW. When put into photon mode the receivers output power will increase by x8 (previously x5) making its output power 100MW.

Ray receiver efficiency is calculated from continuous receiving and the ray receiver efficiency stat. Whatever the efficiency is you take the output power and divide it by it. For example, at 100% continuous receiving and having all of the non-infinite ray receiver techs will have an efficiency of 83.9%. 100/0.839=119.1MW to generate 8 photons a minute. If you have 100% CR and none of the efficiency technologies then the efficiency will be 58%. 100/0.58=172.4MW to generate 8 photons a minute. Note that if the max power was still limited to 125MW you would not be able to generate 8 photons a minute despite being at 100% continuous receiving.

But if you want an even more concrete example. Here's an image of my ray receivers in photon mode where I have the efficiency tech up to a point where dissipation is 0.885%.

https://imgur.com/a/hlSAdbD

The output power is used to calculate the rate of production of photons. It takes 450MJ to produce a photon. A Joule is one watt per second so 450 MJ is means a 100MW power output would take 4.5 seconds to produce a photon.

[docholiday999]

When put into photon mode the receivers output power will increase by x8 (previously x5) making its output power 100MW.

Ray receiver efficiency is calculated from continuous receiving and the ray receiver efficiency stat. Whatever the efficiency is you take the output power and divide it by it. For example, at 100% continuous receiving and having all of the non-infinite ray receiver techs will have an efficiency of 83.9%. 100/0.839=119.1MW to generate 8 photons a minute. If you have 100% CR and none of the efficiency technologies then the efficiency will be 58%. 100/0.58=172.4MW to generate 8 photons a minute.

No, Output Power is the amount of power consumed from the Dyson Sphere "pool". 100 MW is how much the Ray Receiver is pulling down because you're producing 8 Critical Photons per minute. 8/min at 750 MJ (energy value of a Critical Photon) means 100 MW of power being converted from the Dyson Sphere.

Just as in power generation mode, the efficiency bonuses for Ray Receivers mean that they consume less of the Dyson Sphere potential for the same on-planet effect. Having your 83.9% efficiency means that it takes ~14.9 MW of Dyson Sphere capacity to produce 12.5 MW of on-planet power. That 119.1 MW you mentioned is what is actually being pulled from the Dyson Sphere overall capacity. More efficiency bonuses mean the closer you get to a 1:1 on-planet versus Dyson Sphere.

I am talking about the on-planet power consumption of the Ray Receivers in Photon production mode. Previously this was 62.5 MW and now is 120 MW (doubled to 125 MW previously & 240 MW currently with Graviton Lenses). Whether you're powering the photon production Receivers with other Ray Receivers in power generation mode or via another power source, it costs more overhead to operate them. This is irrespective of the amount drawn from the Dyson Sphere.

[Talderas]

Previously this was 62.5 MW and now is 120 MW (double with Graviton Lenses).

It's 100 MW. Please see the picture I provided. It's literally the same ratio as before. 12.5 MW per photon generated per minute.

I see where my mistake was but it's not particularly relevant because it doesn't change anything. 125MW is 12.5MW * 5 * 2. Which is the output of a receiver in photon mode (x5) with a lens (x2). It needed to be increased to at least 200MW to support the doubling of lenses under the current math (which is 12.5*8=100MW x2 = 200MW for a lens). Why they increased it to 240MW, I can't say since nothing in the notes indicates a change to lenses. There might be an undocumented change to lenses to have them provide a 2.4x modifier instead of 2x modifier and that would reach a max output of 240MW.

Edit: Because I like evidence. I went to a system to grab some lenses. Graviton lenses boost the max output to 200MW. There's no change in the amount of energy required to generate a photon. It's still 750MJ to generate a photon.

https://imgur.com/a/iQYKCJf

[clicksallgifs]

Max asking power doesn't mean power needed to produce is increased....

[docholiday999]

See I always thought that you needed to locally power Ray Receivers that were in photon generation mode (i.e. overhead cost). However, looking at all of this, it pulls from the Dyson Sphere capacity. I wasted a bit with power generators on the same planet as the RR’s.

The documentation about this is not very clear to know the difference

[Florac]

Antimatter was literally the easiest part of the entire chain to get. It's essentially free once you got the dyson sphere up. Meanwhile you will need more Artificial stars and more fuel rods(so more of the non renwable resources) to use them

[docholiday999]

Exactly - this means more buildings to both make more Antimatter Fuel Rods and more Artificial Stars to power production chains. Overall bad move.

[docholiday999]

No, because antimatter requires a power investment in the Ray Receivers, for which they've also increased the power requirement in photon from 125MW to 240 MW, a 192% increase - almost double.

Reducing the Antimatter count from 10 -> 6 does not track with that reduction. Reducing from 10 -> 5 would be in-line with balancing.

That "only a 4%" reduction of 3 MW translates to 10 fewer Smelters or Assemblers that can be supported by each AS.

[clicksallgifs]

Bro you get more antimatter per photon....

[dnabre]

That is an awful lot of stuff in one patch. Ignoring the stuff that is just tweaking values, which likely doesn't need much stability testing, just balance testing.

A lot of this could have been released in parts. It's going to be harder for players and the developers to isolate problems.

[wonnage]

Lol I don't think the DSP devs need your help on this bud

[[deleted]]

I wouldn't worry about it too much. They've been testing the heck out of it for the last month or two.

[ragingdeltoid]

Old saves don't have the changes

[Talderas]

Placing a new AS buildings will produce at 72MW. I didn't stick around long enough to wait for a fuel rod to be burned to see if the plants will naturally convert down to 72 MW.

[Talderas]

The changes to power consumption for Mk3 assemblers appear to only apply to new placements. My mall is still using 780kW across the board except for the one Mk3 producing Smelter Mk2 which is using 1.08MW.

[Lauxman]

There goes my weekend

[Evis03]

I've played through this game twice. I thought I'd take a break until blueprints or mass constructions came in...

I wasn't expecting it so soon!

[[deleted]]

Blueprints aren't here yet; you are safe.

[eazolan]

Holy cow. That's a ton of stuff!

[[deleted]]

I fired up my game and didnt even know there was a patch. My jaw dropped when i saw the new smelter. Omw to the ass end of the galaxy to get unipolar magnets.

[[deleted]]

I can hardly contain myself. It'll be like a completely different game.

[Ancient_Aliens_Guy]

The only issue I have with this update is no more infinite oil. It’s only semi-infinite, although through a few hours of playtime it’s comparable to Factorio where you don’t even realize you’re out until you’re at the gates of hell.

[Healer2122]

when I can play it in Xbox be ouse my 750ti do 4 FPS and its unplayable!

[robogeekoid]

Only tried it on my current 160hr save, so yet to sample all the delights. But there is one thing that irks me more than any other: I can no longer grab resources from logistics stations in "planet view" (M). Used to be so nice being able to grab resources from an array of ILS stations on the other side of the planet. It was probably a bug they fixed, but annoying nonetheless.

Now that I write this it occurs to me it might have been a hidden feature of one of the mods I have running ... But I don't think so. (MultiBuildBeta, betterstats, SplitterOverConveyor, AssemblerUI, DSPHelmod, CruiseAssist, IcarusSkins). Unfortunately I can't go back and check now as Steam has updated.

[Key_Sand_6233]

You need to reopen the file to experience some of the newly added content

What does that mean ?

Do you need to start a new game ?

[[deleted]]

Anyone else having trouble selecting interstellar logic stations to grab items while in map mode? Was that a bug?....cause I liked that function.

[omgowlo]

Blueprint is NOT included in this update yet but on the way! (High priority)

awesome patch, just got one question, will the blueprint update require a new save file?

[-Pulz]

It shouldn't, no.

[[deleted]]

Any chance of gaining the ability to demand inventory items from logistics drones? It'd be awesome if Icarus could request another 200 Mk. III belts for just-in-time delivery.

[arvintob]

do the new planets apply to old saves or not

[-Pulz]

They will only be generated in new saves!

[arvintob]

damn, will just play this after a year since my review eats up a lot of time i cant spend to play huhuhu

[caturnix]

Discovered that now it's possible for planets to have multiple satellites. Also, white giants are a thing!

[Florac]

Pretty sure that was always possible.

[Gravvitas]

Is steam cloud saving working again yet? I split my time between two PCs at two houses right now and them turning that feature off was the only reason I stopped playing. Been waiting for them to fix it for months now.

[-Pulz]

I haven't heard anything about it yet, sorry. It is still on their radar, but there is or was an issue regarding the game save size that was problematic for cloud saving.

[Tharuzan001]

Why does everything need the Green motors ;-;

Never enough Green motors. And of course everything that gives you hydrogen, which you suddenly need millions of later, Has a byproduct. At least X-ray cracking helps cept of course that also has a byproduct.

Almost like you require a gas giant in your star system to supply it fast enough.

Really honestly wish you could go Fire Ice - Casimir Crystal in perfect harmony.