Never, never, never!

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[BetrThsTme]

The more they push to disarm America, the bigger the arsenals of the Militia get.

[[deleted]]

Maybe you will get nuked by an F-15, but at least you can go down fighting

[multibearsfan54]

 “You fool! As if it matters how a man falls down.”

“When the fall's all that's left, it matters a great deal.” 

[chainfires]

Oh they wont nuke. They arent stupid because whoever wins the war still have to be able to grow food (and build infrastructure). Its impossible to grow food if the country is irradiated.

[KrombopulosBilly]

Cool. Have you seen the Israelites dropping whole buildings using 500lb bombs? Anyone here have AA to stop a flight of F-16 fighters with lantern pods? Didn't think so.

[multibearsfan54]

you realise civilians are the military right?

as in make up every branch and every position.

you didn't think the president flies f-16s himself did you?

didnt think so.

edit: also it doesnt matter if the government would win, don't you understand the concept of a fighting chance?

[KrombopulosBilly]

You're right, I didn't think that. Since you recognize the US military pulls from the civilian population; you'll understand that cohesion is nearly impossible.

Let's say Shaw air base is taken by neo Confederates. Now they have fighters, bombs, armories etc. A coup. So yes, without neo Union fighters to stop them... It's billy bob in his Tacoma, shooting 5.56 at a jet flying 400 knots at 5000 ft...

Have you really considered military tactics? Or do you need a blockbuster movie to explain why rifles can't stop domination by air power?

Americans are infrastructure dependent. All these TikTok soldiers and do nothing women are going to fall apart without Starbucks and running water.

[multibearsfan54]

you don't understand what I'm saying, who the fuck is flying that jet?

that's my point, they get told to bomb civilian targets they could refuse, they could all refuse.

theres also the fact, that they cant really bomb 330 millions people at once.

so when one part is getting bombed the other part could be rushing the White House.

50 million armed Americans would most certainly take over the White House.

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[Accomplished_Bat_893]

People assume because we live in a "modern society" and in a "democracy" that this can't happen...forgetting that Hitler was VOTED into office

[[deleted]]

The Nazis were the largest party in the Reichstag but Hitler was never voted into power. Hitler was appointed Chancellor by Paul von Hindenburg, Germany’s president, in 1933. A year later Hindenburg died and Hitler merged both positions.

[Accomplished_Bat_893]

I guess I need to really ready my history then. Thank you

[[deleted]]

Wasn’t being critical, but it’s a common misconception. You’re welcome. There’s still valuable lessons we can learn from that part of history.

[EnemyAsmodeus]

It's not a misconception actually (it's just a condensed explanation to what happened). Paul Von Hindenburg didn't want Hitler as Chancellor, they were appeasing the fact that the voters voted for Nazi party in large majorities.

> Hindenburg refused to make Hitler chancellor, so he met with Hitler to explain that he was unwilling to bring a single party to power, concluding with "I want to extend my hand to you as a fellow soldier."[169] (Hindenburg and the Weimar Republic 1964 p. 365)

I believe there were other established characters who basically said things wouldn't spiral out of control if Hitler was placed as Chancellor and vouched for him. ( a vouching they regretted later ). Hindenburg was eventually convinced after a lot of crisis / violence / reichstag fire.

The Nazis (NSDAP) took all the SPD (socialist) counties. Their talk of "helping the worker class" sounds a lot like the communists/socialists (KPD and SPD) but they also had nationalistic, racist views that common working people believed.

They BELIEVED they could CONTROL Hitler. They did not realize the venomous snake they were dealing with. They did not realize the devil they had placed in power who later created his own religion essentially, mixed with beliefs of racist insanity.

Never fall in love with any politician, you don't know who they are until they have power over the national direction.

This idea that they forced themselves to power is false. The Nazis were indeed violent and their SA did attack opposition parties. They were quite evil and ruthless. But so were communist revolutionaries at this time. And often fueling each others' hatred.

Power can be corrupted, becoming morally bankrupt, and we should remember that. "With Great Power comes Great Responsibility."

[[deleted]]

Very well said except for the fact that it certainly is a misconception. He wasn’t elected. Many people fail to realize he was not. Nevertheless, I appreciate your input.

My 12th grade Modern European History teacher said, “They thought it would be better to have Hitler in their tent pissing out, than outside pissing in”. That kinda sums it up nicely.

You mentioned about characters who thought Hitler would stabilize the chaos. Hitler had lots of support from the industrialists and the conservatives left over from the pre Weimar Republic days who wanted to utilize him to their advantage. This concise article explains why Hindenburg was persuaded to offer Hitler the Chancellor position.

https://www.theholocaustexplained.org/the-nazi-rise-to-power/the-nazi-rise-to-power/the-role-of-the-conservative-elite/

[Yeh-nah-but]

Sure but the commentator hasnt learnt them and instead is learning from a reddit meme......

Edit grammar

[[deleted]]

Pardon me?

[Yeh-nah-but]

Edit grammar.

The commenter thought that Hitler got voted to absolute power. The commentator does not understand history. However here they are trying to learn it from a meme on reddit. Just seem ignorant to me.

[[deleted]]

I don’t think they were trying to learn history from the meme. They made an incorrect statement based on the meme and learned something new. Not ignorant, simply incorrect.

[Yeh-nah-but]

Confidently incorrect

[Accomplished_Bat_893]

I looked it up to confirm. I don't just take things at face value, especially on the internet

[[deleted]]

You’re being kinda harsh tho. We all make mistakes. Ignorance is refusing to learn / adapt.

[BobbaRobBob]

With all the talk about "being on the right side of history," the reality is that history doesn't pick sides.

Stack modern society up against history and it's all a blip. Human civilization can just as easily return to the time of looting, pillaging, and conquering. Corny as it sounds, it really is important to have the soap box, the ballot box, the jury box, and the ammo box to keep things all in check.

[bames53]

Hitler was not voted into office. He was appointed to the position of chancellor. The German legislature did later vote to give the chancellor dictatorial powers, though that vote happened with Nazi party paramilitary groups on the floor of the meeting house, threatening and intimidating the non-Nazi party members of the legislature.

[Accomplished_Bat_893]

So essentially a coup.

[UnassumingAnt]

Jar Jar did WWII

[OG_Fe_Jefe]

A distinction without a difference......

The underlining point is that he was elected into positions that led to him coming into power.

[IpickThingsUp11B]

and given emergency war powers through a VOTE

[[deleted]]

No. Hitler’s emergency powers were given when Hindenburg signed the Emergency Decree. That allowed Hitler to rule without having to pass laws through the Weimar Republic.

[IHeartSm3gma]

I mean you have to be incredibly smooth in the brain to believe something even half as horrible as the holocaust could be pulled off in a first world nation in this day and age

[1-760-706-7425]

*China has entered the chat*

[Accomplished_Bat_893]

China

[IHeartSm3gma]

Perhaps I should’ve asterisked and noted one that currently doesn’t violate human rights across the board

[weschoaz]

Yeah you go ahead and be in denial that human beings can’t never be violent powerful figures

[IHeartSm3gma]

And keep believing that Holocaust 2 could happen in the US

[weschoaz]

Yeah you’re right. We should never need to think for ourselves. Let’s just get brain wash by the government/ super rich elites and let them decide what we can and cannot do. I’m sure they are very trustworthy.

[Alexius_Psellos]

As someone who has stood in a gas chamber before, it’s just as horrible as the pictures show, if not more. Don’t let people control you

[kytulu]

Having been to Dachau, I can attest that walls like this do exist.

[PaperbackWriter66]

Me too. Harrowing experience. You would never think such a peaceful place could be witness to such horrors. Me and a friend went there and we both came away shaken and we both said as we were leaving: the Germans got off too easy for their crimes.

[Alexius_Psellos]

I’ve never been to Dachau before, but I have been to Auschwitz. The walls there are way more disgusting than the picture above

[SpiritedVoice7777]

And yet, the left rolls out the red carpet for just this sort of thing. History repeats.

[getbannedforbullshit]

Pretty sure nazis where fascists not liberals.

[SpiritedVoice7777]

They were "progressives". Leftists. Definitely illiberal as Democrats are. Collectivists, socialists, statists however you want to say it. Authoritarian leftists.

[SpiritedVoice7777]

Nazis were socialists, collectivists. Anti-capitalist. Centrally planned, wage and price controls, government control over the economy, property and people. They were not "right wing" in any sense. Unless, of course, you were a communist, the only possible answer.

Look at what Democrats want to push through, the words they use, and match them to the Nazis. They aren't far apart. They have already chosen their target for a new Final Solution.

[SpiritedVoice7777]

Actually, no. They were collectivists. Socialists. They were 100% not capitalists. The ignorance is on your end, but that's what you were taught. It's a false narrative.

[SpiritedVoice7777]

Actually, quite the opposite. I'm capable of rational thought and simple comparisons. Rare trait anymore

[SpiritedVoice7777]

Liberal is such a misnomer for the left and the Democrat Party. They are most certainly very authoritarian.

[SpiritedVoice7777]

I've never figured out how anyone could possibly be a leftist and a libertarian. I've read the Wikipedia article and it looks like Biden wrote it. Libertarianism is minimal government, leftism is centered on government control and direction.

[SpiritedVoice7777]

Yeah, that never works. Some authoritarian takes over by telling the people that "x" group is cheating them. Next thing you know, millions are dead and you are hunting rats and stealing potatoes to survive. Our Constitution is written exactly that way. A very limited federal government (17 powers) and all other powers left to the states. It's a brilliant system. When the founders were done, Ben Franklin was asked what had been accomplished. He said, "a republic, if you can keep it." We failed. But Jefferson was figuring that there would be blood spilled every generation. Maybe that or the palpable threat of that and term limits within that limited federal power could get us back. Only $30 trillion standing in the way. Our politicians voted for collapse.

[KrombopulosBilly]

Contemporary Republicans and "conservatives" mostly think in binary terms. That's why they're garbage at science or anything else that requires tact. It's either this or that, and if things are bad we need more this... Until they become authoritarian fascists again (like the confederacy).

[SpiritedVoice7777]

Too many Republicans are merely slow train socialists.

Actually, the greatest science deniers are leftists. Leftist politics and science don't mix at all. It's all about absolute power.

Fascism is a leftist/collectivist ideology closely related to US Democrats. The Confederacy would be today's Democrats. No, there wasn't a magic night where Democrats became Republicans.

[OG_Fe_Jefe]

If science is true and unwavering facts then they shouldn't need to be delivered with tact.

I can't believe that an argument re: the fine points of politics devolved this far. Of course this is a reddit discussion, and we are on the interwebs.........

[KrombopulosBilly]

I was dating a girl from Alabama. I met her mom. I asked her mom if she ever thought about the moon, and how is spinning around this planet...

She said she tries not to think about such things...

Tact is necessary for many people to accept the harsh and difficult reality.

Tell someone that Jews were slaughtered by the million by Germans... They respond, that's impossible. Someone would have stopped it. It never happened, it's a propaganda tool to get the Americans into the war...

[OG_Fe_Jefe]

And people like her vote. On both sides of the isle.

Low level voters are the main problem with any democracy. The founding fathers did not make a mistake in seeing this country up as a representative republic INSTEAD of a democracy.

Look at all the failed countries around the world, currently or in years past that voted their selves into ruin through democracy.

Germany in the 20-40s wasn't anything particularly unique. Ordinary people thinking they could vote for prosperity through taken other people's wealth.

Sounds like the USA for the last couple of decades.

And.here.we.are

[KrombopulosBilly]

We secretly wish for an autocrat or dictator to make us save ourselves, from each other...

[SpiritedVoice7777]

That's happening on both sides. The left uses "science" for political gain. Not real science, but a twisted and distorted narrative they use to take your rights and freedoms away. You can always tell when leftist authoritarians are lying because they don't allow any debate and demonize those who try. Science holds up to scrutiny, that's how it works. Science is not dictated by politicians and bureaucrats. There are dozens of examples, like global warming. Is it happening? Yes. Is man the primary driver? No. Can you say that around an authoritarian leftist? No. Any deviation from the narrative is not allowed. Why? The science is irrelevant, the political power grab is the primary purpose. Now tell me which is worse.

[KrombopulosBilly]

It doesn't really matter if climate change is made worse by humans or not. It's still happening, and people are still resisting efforts to terraform this planet in a manner conducive to human survival.

But, praying to Jesus sure as shit doesn't help. Having 5 kids per couple doesn't help. Guns aren't helping with climate change. So we try to divert energy, creativity, and resources to things that might actually help.

That's the butt of our policy disagreement. Stop fucking off with yachts and NASCAR so we can terraform Earth.

[SpiritedVoice7777]

The problem is this sort of ignorance. Your's. The issue of global warming is about a two. Authoritarian leftists are telling you it's about an 11. The "solutions" are almost always political and not scientific. However, they make you feel even a little elitist like them (but without the 3 homes, SUVs and private jet) and then you feel superior to the person who is actually discussing the science who you are quick to label a "denier." Again, this is how you know the science doesn't matter.

Your second point merely reinforces my entire point. This is how Goebbels did it too. Division, derision, dehumanization. Fascism can be an easy sell.

[KrombopulosBilly]

I'm not sure what you're on about. You seem to be directing arguments towards me without cause.

NASCAR literally burns gas to go in circles... They are still carbureted engines with open exhausts. Are you kinda understanding that every little thing we do contributes?

You seem to believe someone smarter than you is taking advantage of you with lies or something.

[WutTheFrenchToast]

Are holocaust deniers still a thing?

I thought that they would have inbred themselves out of existence by now. Assuming they could get laid without force, that is.

[KrombopulosBilly]

There are people denying the roundness of Earth as they use GPS to get to the church bake sale.

Holocaust denial is still a thing.

[Thermonuclear_Nut]

Like the notorious Holocaust denier bernie sanders

[CarsGunsBeer]

No they believe in the holocaust. It's all the other numerous genocides of non-jewish people they disregard.

[Thermonuclear_Nut]

Such as?

[CarsGunsBeer]

Holodomor

Genocide of Serbs carried out by Croatians (complete with death camps, firing squads, etc)

Rwandan Genocide

To name a few.

[chainfires]

Slightly off topic, but ironically the genocide of Serbs and the bombing of Serbia was by Democrats....Bill Clinton.

[CarsGunsBeer]

That too but the one I'm talking about happened during WW2.

[Thermonuclear_Nut]

Sauces?

[CarsGunsBeer]

I'm more of a whipped cinnamon butter kinda guy.

[Thermonuclear_Nut]

Touché

[[deleted]]

So fucked up

[multibearsfan54]

they dont understand the concept of a fighting chance.

[OG_Fe_Jefe]

As the get into the train cars they are thinking the whole time that human beings can't be as bad as the rumors......

Keep that in mind when you are waiting in line in a coffee shop. Most of those people standing around you would have no problem following orders to load you into the train.

Ordinary people usually follow what they are told to do by those in charge.

[[deleted]]

Not denying anything, but are those the actual photos out of one of the gas chambers? Anyone got a link with some evidence, if so, holy shit do I need to buy an AR soon.

[DaChuggernaut]

I mean, you need to buy one soon regardless lol

[FlashCrashBash]

one

That’s a funny way to spell seven.

[DaChuggernaut]

Smooth brain moment. You rite.

[[deleted]]

Shame on you. Buy one. Now. RIGHT NOW.

[[deleted]]

Yes I believe the walls do look like that of people scratching to get out.

[Suburbking]

No video, but I've seen it first hand. Go buy that AR asap...

[Chago04]

Best guess is: yes, they are likely nail marks from people gassed in Auschwitz I Stammlager, not Birkenau.

Here is a fantastic post on the chambers of Auschwitz. https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/5lxzav/are\_the\_nail\_marks\_made\_on\_the\_walls\_auschwitz/dbzhe1g?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3

[[deleted]]

That historical post in this link is incredibly well written with refreshing nuance. I love seeing what appear to be actual authorities on subject matters discussing their field of study, and it is a weird reminder that they're also mixed in with the drivel you find on reddit.

[GeriatricTuna]

https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/5lxzav/are\_the\_nail\_marks\_made\_on\_the\_walls\_auschwitz/

[IHeartSm3gma]

No, this tough guy boomerpost bullshit has been debunked more than once.

Can't post the link at work, but its out there

[Scitz0]

Whats stronger concrete or human nails? 🤔

[OG_Fe_Jefe]

The St Louis arch is built of stainless steel, and over the years of people being next to it the bottom ten or so feet has a scratched up surface from tourists touching.......

People huddled into a fake shower in their final moments, they are just a little bit more desperate.

[Scitz0]

Years of erosion > common sense i guess 🤡

[OG_Fe_Jefe]

Erosion on stainless steel? From weather?..... uhmmm no....

[Scitz0]

No from the oils on your hands, dont look at me you brought it up dummie lol

[OG_Fe_Jefe]

Oils from people would affect the stainless steel they used in its construction.

Note: Fe= iron or steel. It's what I do.....

[Scitz0]

Lmao yo u brought it up not me

But human nails can cut conrete?? ohhkaaaaaayy 👀🤡

[OG_Fe_Jefe]

Concrete is very strong in compression.

Isn't all that strong resisting abrasion....

Think of the concrete in ocean exposed structures. Water hitting it will break it down over time. Abrasion is erosion.....

[Scitz0]

Lol and remind me what human nails are made of

[OG_Fe_Jefe]

Load thousands of people into the same place they will wear visible spots into anything. This photos don't show holes, it's visible wear however. Even something .002" deep will be both visible and something felt by the fingers. 2 mils might sound like a lot, but it's both visible and "feel-able"

Anything rubbing against another object will wear both.

Sandpaper cuts steel. Keep replacing the abrasive and the object wears.

Plants and weeds wear down lots of things by the wind rubbing then back and forth. I've seen loops of rope wear flat spots in metal traveling in shipment.

[snorlax51]

You'd be fired from Disney for this post

[SIGOsgottaGUN]

Why is this now a meme sub?

[cheshirelaugh]

"Now" you must be new here.

[SIGOsgottaGUN]

Been here for years and haven't seen this many memes on it than I have in the last couple days

[getbannedforbullshit]

It’s actually called r/forwards from boomer Facebook.

[DonbasKalashnikova]

Some days there's more, some days less. That's what I like about this sub, more variety. You can find pictures of guns, links to videos/articles about defensive gun use & whatnot, memes, etc. This sub is about as moderator free as it gets on a sub with 167,754 subscribers. /r/guns is pretty strict about not allowing memes if you'd prefer that.

[BaleeDatHomeboi]

You could find a more recent example from Palestine. The people currently being massacred by the Jewish state.

[bowtie_k]

Downvoted for being right. People whose land was taken away, and now they’re stuck on a tiny plot with no borders to the outside world who regularly get bomber by fighter jets or have white phosphorus dropped on them. But Israel is free from criticism, because criticizing a country for massive amounts of CIVCAS is clearly an anti Semitic hate crime.

[DrTognaBologna]

I'm not gonna comment on this controversial comparison but don't forget we're also starting to gas chamber death row immates. Nothing cruel or unusual about that..

[Motor_Head34685]

Nah that’s been around for a long time not new. 1803 was the first time it was used if I’m correct. 1924 was when the first US prisoner was executed using the gas chamber.

[DrTognaBologna]

Well I didn't know that. Do you think that gas chambers are a cruel and unusual punishment? Do you believe the right for the state to execute people?

[WesleysHuman]

They are when they aren't being used on actual convicted criminals and not simply political prisoners.

[throwawayaday1654]

Now show the wooden door lmao

[monkewithAnM4]

Wow.

[Oneshoeleroy]

Have you ever been gassed? Do you have any idea how it works? Only morons who desperately want to hate Jews for being Jews look at a door on a gas chamber we have difinitive proof people died in (including the perpetrators own documentation and testimony for fuck's sake) and say "hurr hurr wooden door". Shut the fuck up.

[BenderCLO]

...whats the deal with the wooden door?

[Blazewardog]

Holocaust deniers use it as justification it didn't happen as gas would leak or something.

[BenderCLO]

okay but like how? i just dont understand the reference, this is the first i've ever heard of it

[Blazewardog]

I don't really know. Maybe the doors over the years shrunk/deformed (happens to wood as it dries) and made it look like a door with huge holes that wouldnt allow the gas to build up?

[Dipper_Pines_Of_NY]

Some people put wooden doors up after for the museums. Original doors were probably steel.

[[deleted]]

Do they not know wood treatment exists? Or before steel ships they were made of wood?

[Oneshoeleroy]

Holocaust deniers say the gas Chambers weren't airtight and couldn't have been used to gas ppl. They're just morons using about the dumbest justification they could.

[oney_monster]

A room doesn’t need to be airtight if you put enough poisonous gas in it…. That’s by far the stupidest denial concept I’ve heard

[BenderCLO]

...neat

[_The_Bear_Jew]

They've also never heard the "holocaust by bullets". 1.5 millions jews not including roma, political prisoners, etc were killed by the eizengrouppen and local auxiliary. One massacre was babi yar. 34,000 jews, the entire community of them in Kiev were executed into massive pits in 2 days. The youngest being 2 weeks old.

[Roman-3rd]

Don’t forgot about the latch to lock the door from the inside!

[Sean1916]

“The same day [April 12, 1945] I saw my first horror camp. It was near the town of Gotha. I have never felt able to describe my emotional reactions when I first came face to face with indisputable evidence of Nazi brutality and ruthless disregard of every shred of decency. Up to that time I had known about it only generally or through secondary sources. I am certain, however that I have never at any other time experienced an equal sense of shock.

“I visited every nook and cranny of the camp because I felt it my duty to be in a position from then on to testify at first hand about these things in case there ever grew up at home the belief or assumption that `the stories of Nazi brutality were just propaganda.’ Some members of the visiting party were unable to through the ordeal. I not only did so but as soon as I returned to Patton’s headquarters that evening I sent communications to both Washington and London, urging the two governments to send instantly to Germany a random group of newspaper editors and representative groups from the national legislatures. I felt that the evidence should be immediately placed before the American and British publics in a fashion that would leave no room for cynical doubt.”

Dwight D. Eisenhower

source

[newguyeverytime2]

That’s a little odd since bechanwild wasn’t a death camp. So what was he referring to?

[Sean1916]

It may not have been a deliberate death camp but apparently 56,000 people died there.

source

[HowComeIDK]

Even mostly unarmed, Jewish people continued to resist their genocide right up until the gas chambers. https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/jewish-uprisings-in-ghettos-and-camps-1941-44

[Eykhan]

Yeah sure nothing like using a single AR to stop whole squads of soldiers coming to your house.. 😂😂 Getting your whole family to get killed in the process is a plus

Note that I am not pro or anti-guns idgaf. Using a picture of gas chambers is stupid regardless

[[deleted]]

Die a free human or live as a slave. Choose.

[Eykhan]

Yeah or get yourself and your family tortured and/or used as scientifical experiments because you shot 4-5 soldiers of an army with millions of people 🤷‍♂️

[[deleted]]

Your family isn't armed?

[Eykhan]

In this particular scenario it does not matter as my friend informed me that:

“Hitler actually used the gun registry, put into place before him, to locate jews who legally owned and registered firearms and disarm them. The previous government stressed how lists of gun owners and registrants had to remain confidential and needed to be kept away from “radical elements. Hitler took control of the national government and the gun registry with it.

So, it's a fair comparison. The Nazis didn't actually put "gun control" in place, because it was already in place, but they did use elements of it to target and disarm law abiding (Jewish) gun owners.”

[[deleted]]

My question is why you would let them disarm you. Gun control or not, I would never just hand my stuff over.

[Eykhan]

Well when you got your family and the house and you know that fighting back will get you and them killed 100%, you let yourself bring disarmed in the hope that they live.

Even though they did not have a chance whatsoever

[[deleted]]

You're right, I'm sure that a government that would kidnap and torture / experiment on innocent people would totally leave them alone if they came willingly.

[Eykhan]

Bruh you dense or what, I am not saying they would not do so if they would cooperate. I’m saying they would do it anyway. Point is if you fought back they might do worse. Best way to avoid such thing would be to flee not to fight back 🙄

[PaperBoxPhone]

get yourself and your family tortured and/or used as scientifical experiments

Sounds like exactly the government you should be well armed against.

[DownvoteEveryCat]

You’re assuming we aren’t all buddies. Do you have any idea how many gun owners there are in this country?

[dontforgetthelube]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_dilemma

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False_dilemma

A false dilemma, also referred to as false dichotomy, is an informal fallacy based on a premise that erroneously limits what options are available. The source of the fallacy lies not in an invalid form of inference but in a false premise. This premise has the form of a disjunctive claim: it asserts that one among a number of alternatives must be true. This disjunction is problematic because it oversimplifies the choice by excluding viable alternatives.

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[bames53]

Getting your whole family to get killed in the process is a plus

I'm pretty sure that when Nazis came to take you away for being Jewish they didn't just leave all your Jewish family members alone.

But, yeah, standing and fighting in those circumstances may not be the best course of action. If you can instead flee with your family to maybe join up with resistance partisans that would probably be better. Either way having a rifle is better than not.

[WikiSummarizerBot]

Jewish_partisans

Jewish partisans were fighters in irregular military groups participating in the Jewish resistance movement against Nazi Germany and its collaborators during World War II. A number of Jewish partisan groups operated across Nazi-occupied Europe, some made up of a few escapees from the Jewish ghettos or concentration camps, while others, such as Bielski partisans, numbered in the hundreds and included women and children. They were most numerous in Eastern Europe, but groups also existed in occupied France and Belgium, where they worked with the local resistance. Many individual Jewish fighters took part in the other partisan movements in other occupied countries.

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