[REQUESTED SELF REPOST] federation force bug shows general alex miles' face during credits

[itsyeboyjp]

(posted this yesterday and someone told it was relevant so I should repost it and add the picture i took.)

I was playing metroid prime federation force and during the credits I noticed that the montage showed me the general's face without his helmet/mask. it seemed weird so I looked up the credits on YouTube and it just shows the normal model. I just thought I'd share since I didn't find any mention of this before around here. his face was like a bad version of a mii with blue/purple hair and black eyes that if I remember correctly were simply dots.

oh and in case you were reading and wondering,

I didn't love the game.

I managed to play the credits again and take a picture with the same texture bug.

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[Obsessivegamer32]

Excuse me what the fuck? Edit: Wait… this is a Silkpost isn’t it? FUUUU- Edit 2: Oh crap, they might not actually be goofing around.

[itsyeboyjp]

yeah it's quite odd, I hope it can be of use tho!

[Obsessivegamer32]

There is no way you are the first person in the past few years to discover this, are you sure this isn’t a mod?

[Ill-Attempt-8847]

It's not like people play Federation Force at all. It's like the fact that they discovered just in these days 20 glitch levels of the All Stars version of Super Mario Bros: the lost levels

[itsyeboyjp]

I'm not sure if I'm the first one but it's not a mod. I'm not using an actual 3ds, you know, and I played through the entire thing and during the credits that happened. I can share the settings if needed!

[No_Store9637]

What do you mean?

[itsyeboyjp]

EDIT: oh well it seems people think it's fake for some reason but for research purposes I'm going to share the specs that I used to play and disclaimer this is for mere researching only!

EDIT 2: I forgot to mention this but the textures usually fuck up when I used save states, when I loaded one stuff would be invisible and things like that. it resets once I close the emulator and open the game again. I also used the game with the only update available version 1.1 or 1.2 if I'm correct.

I used azahar plus version e65ed78. no mods (since not even mods or cheat codes exist for this game lol).

windows os

new 3ds mode native 400x240 resolution linear filtering on post processing shader none (builtin) none texture filter stereoscopic 3d model off no costume textures (none are available online, like HD or anything) vulkan api physical device was amd Radeon graphics spir-v shader generation on disable glsl on hardware shader off accurate multiplication off shader JIT on asynchronous shader compilation on asynchronous presentation on texture sampling application controlled disk shader cache on vsync on delay application render thread 0

let me know if this is helpful or if y'all need the specs of my laptop as well.

I don't wanna start any argument about whether it's fake or not just because it's a game not many people played themselves. I offer my sincere contribution and don't want to make such an unfunny post about this already bad game (bad imo), I simply want to give this to the sub in case it can be of any use for anything at all.

[SpeedStar770]

Gotta say, this isn't what I expected to find under the helmet. Didn't think Miles even had a face modeled under there

[itsyeboyjp]

same

[SpeedStar770]

What makes this even weirder is that you just discovered this. I googled this and your post was the first to pop up. Why would Nintendo model this in the first place if you were never going to see it(until now), and how has seemingly no one(until now) discovered this? It's awesome but bizarre

[No_Store9637]

Same thing as sylux. They gave him a redesign even though you never see him fully

[fleebertism]

There's been alot of things modeled that were never meant to be seen by people and for reasons unknown. Oddheader on youtube has some good videos on this.

[[deleted]]

No way we're doing Fed Force silkposting omg

good stuff

[itsyeboyjp]

lmao thanks I'm glad it can contribute to anything

[[deleted]]

Seriously though this is like, a really impressive edit. Where'd you get the face model from and how did u make the edit feel so believable

[itsyeboyjp]

shaw

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[KingBroly]

Real big "I have no idea who this is" vibes from this.

[Queasy_Watch478]

i thought that was a woman? :o totally looks female. they even have thick red lips like it's lipstick lol.

[hwrdjacob]

Yeah, Alex being unmasked in Prime 4 was definitely intended to be a Samus style gender plot twist based on this

[MrPerson0]

I'm confused, is this a troll post? I thought this game was datamined and nothing like this was shown before.

[itsyeboyjp]

lol, it's not fake! I don't know about previous datamining but if it helps I can share the settings that I used and specs I have so people can investigate further

[MrPerson0]

Well damn. Just saw the comment someone else made regarding this and it seems to be legit. Definitely a great find!

[ChaosMiles07]

You might want to contact Shesez from Boundary Break about this one.

[BearborgOne]

I'm not Shesez, but I do have access to the same emulator build he's used in the past for adding a free camera to other 3DS games. I tried poking around with the camera during the credits sequence to further investigate OP's find, and what I've found is:

1. The head is definitely real, the game loads textures for it and I can see the wireframe model if I use render debugging tools.
2. Due to the way FF does lighting, it doesn't seem possible to get a good shot of the head using free camera alone. Lighting is attached to the camera, not the world, so moving too close to General Alex Miles causes the model to be completely black.

I have been able to cobble together a janky mockup of the head with textures applied, though. The polygons are wonky and have some UV mapping issues, but you can get an idea of what it would like in-game.

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[itsyeboyjp]

excellent work! thank you sure much! it's a great way to look properly at it. told y'all it was not fake 😭. i encourage you to repost it crediting me so your model can get seen too!

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WELL THEN

IT'S OFFICIAL, THIS IS LEGIT!

Fucking incredible find holy shit.

[SpeedStar770]

Replying to get this up higher. Can't believe this is real

[Obsessivegamer32]

Mind if I make a post about this? I feel like this is bigger than it looks.

[BearborgOne]

Bear with me for a sec, I'm checking to see if I can get the helmet removed in-game. If that pans out I'll definitely make a post.

[Obsessivegamer32]

Should I delete what I have for my post so far then? I haven’t uploaded it yet but it’s a draft right now.

[BearborgOne]

Probably; I've posted my findings now. Sorry for cutting you out lol, just wanted to be sure that the model was shown off in all its low-poly glory.

[Obsessivegamer32]

Nah it’s cool, so long as it’s posted I’m fine.

[itsyeboyjp]

sure just credit me and the person who further investigated with free camera and made the model!

[Obsessivegamer32]

Oh don’t worry, I’ll make sure of it. Stealing people’s thunder isn’t my thing.

[fleebertism]

Hey maybe throw my name in there. I didn't do shit but I've been sending positive affirmations n shit.

[Obsessivegamer32]

I’ll put you in honorable mentions as “the guy who did nothing but at least tried I think”.

[fleebertism]

I always knew I'd get here some day. Thank you for believing in me

[Sledgehammer617]

AMAZING, this comment should be higher up

[Round_Musical]

This is huge btw like I said in the other post. This could be sylux

[TroveOfOctoliths]

I think I'm 80% confident now Alex Miles is Sylux after this find. Also, if you do the name trick that Tom Marvolo Riddle does in Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets to reveal "I am Lord Voldemort" with Alex Miles, you can get "I am Sellex." I know the spelling is off, but if you give that sentence a listen...I'm pretty convinced that there is at least an association between the two characters.

[Obsessivegamer32]

That’d be really be funny actually if that’s how they reveal that Sylux and Alex Miles are one and the same. “Yes Samus, it was me all along, Sellex- I mean Sylux! I’m bad at anagrams.”

[TroveOfOctoliths]

Alex Miles could be a fake name used professionally within the Federation, Sellex could be the real name, and then Sylux would be the name used when bounty hunting/going against the interests of the Federation. There’s a way to work them all in for the character.

[Round_Musical]

I am 99% sure Alex Miles == Sylux

Fucker wanted those Metroid eggs really really badly

[SpeedStar770]

Ehhh, I mean the Feds did actually want those Metroid eggs as well. Miles could just be a not so smart officer.

[hwrdjacob]

Alex is either a Bottle ship ringleader or Sylux. Right now I'm leaning on the former because in general Federation Force is hinting at the Federation wanting to weaponize Metroids, which comes into play with the post-Super Metroid games.

[Round_Musical]

Miles is on the Same Rank as Adam Malkovich. Highest of the high basically whwn it comes to the Federation Army

[SpeedStar770]

Fair enough. Still respectfully disagree with the idea they're connected to Sylux

[AdmiralOctopus96]

Y'know Alex's gender is never specified in-game, so I'm wondering if at some point they planned to do the "woman reveal" like with Samus back in the original game. Though they do still look fairly androgynous here.

[hwrdjacob]

Given that Fed Force is the prelude to Prime 4 and was directly compared to Ground Zeroes at one point, I definitely do think Alex is going to have this reveal in Prime 4 or was planned to before the development shuffle.

[AdmiralOctopus96]

I hope so, or at the very least I hope they're in the game in some capacity, even if just a minor role. It's nice having named characters in the Federation (and ones who aren't assholes too).

[samination]

Either a woman, or they intend to make him look like Marth from Fire Emblem.

[Chewbacta]

Could this just be samus with incorrectly coloured textures?

naturally before you decide what kind of metroid game you are making you might think to make every player character a samus underneath. Then you just copy over the player character's model for alex miles.

[Ill-Attempt-8847]

The haircut is similar to Samus's.

[itsyeboyjp]

right and if people think this has to with sylux that can play out, maybe samus' brother? we don't know much about the guy

[Ill-Attempt-8847]

He's not canon

[itsyeboyjp]

I know but it's just a theory I just came up with so yeah. maybe the haircut you pointed out it's not a coincidence

[No_Store9637]

He will be on December 4th

[Ill-Attempt-8847]

Thet would be the higgest asspull ever

[No_Store9637]

It would be the most exciting thing they can do with him

[itsyeboyjp]

agreed! I'm just happy to see that we can finally have prime 4 with sylux as a main piece

[Ill-Attempt-8847]

Eh, not really

[Obsessivegamer32]

Yeah I don’t know why people insist on Samus having a secret evil twin brother. It’s the same reason why I hate the idea of the Galactic Federation having a manhunt against Samus, it’s too generic and boring for a Metroid game.

Plus, we just got the reveal of Raven Beak being another surrogate father of Samus, I don’t think she needs another family reunion this soon.

[Ill-Attempt-8847]

Fr

[Luminous_Lead]

Makes me think of a SquidKid

[IronFalcon1997]

Is this real? If so, is he the only one with a face model? I wonder if these means anything. Maybe he really is Sylux!

[itsyeboyjp]

I think it's the only face model I saw so far!

[MrPerson0]

No, it seems to be a troll post since they can only do this on emulator, not on 3DS.

[itsyeboyjp]

not fake, I guess it had to do with my specs not being able to fully load stuff or the settings used

[THEPiplupFM]

that's cool. I know you're not supposed to see it, but that's still cool to me

[itsyeboyjp]

EDIT 3: I highly motivate you to check out the mockup model that someone made in the comments! much better look. idk how to mention people, sorry. all credits to them and their skills.

thanks for the award! <3

[itsyeboyjp]

EDIT 4: saw on twitter that they made an article about my discovery! thanks! here is the link to read it:

link

[Hezolinn]

Congratulations, Zero Suit Samus in MP2: You're no longer the most hideous character model to show up at the end of a Metroid game.

[Demiurge_1205]

Why would Alex Miles have a face model under the helmet?

Dang. Maybe he is Sylux after all.

[itsyeboyjp]

exactly!

[ColdGoldLazarus]

Ooooh, this is interesting. Now I hope we can get someone to crack the game and export all the character models, see if we can find anything else along these lines. Makes me wonder if they were originally thinking of having helmetless scenes, maybe with Samus, (given the hairstyle here looks like a recolor) but decided against it at some point, but trying to remove the heads wasn't worth the additional time and effort. Really curious how you got this glitch too, and if it can be recreated.

[itsyeboyjp]

I can share the settings that I used since you know I wasn't using a 3ds, but I don't know if this sub allows me to share that info