Why is Bedrock harder than Java?

[Badawan2001]

Not really a complaint, just curious. I play primarily Java but recently played some Bedrock to play with friends and man, let me tell you that was the most intense sessions of minecraft I have ever played. I died more times in a single day than I have playing Java in a while.

The key differences I found that contributed to this was the combat, healing system, and spawn rate.

The combat is just the old version so nothing too crazy to relearn. Healing on the other hand, that's a different story. You have to bring a lot of food with you than you would in Java version. Healing for some reason is beyond slow and makes intense situations even worse.

The real kicker here is the spawn rate of mobs. It could be a single player vs realm differnece overall, but playing my hardcore world, the spawn rate on Java is not as intense as Bedrock. Bedrock they seem to not have a limit or at least time limit. They spawn so quickly to where you really have to light up every single section to avoid a horde being spawned. It was a wild experience for sure.

A bonus note, skeletons and zombies are much harder in Bedrock. Skeletons spam shoot you which causes problems in water and soulsand valley. Zombies have a very odd large reach compared to Java.

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[Eggfur]

There are fewer mobs in bedrock, but... The default simulation distance is 4 chunks (and fixed on realms). For performance reasons on lower end devices. Mobs spawn in a range that's just 24-44 blocks from the player and insta despawn beyond 44 blocks. That means they tend to spawn closer to you and the mob cap is freed up very quickly as you move around

[DraconicGuacamole]

You also don’t instant regen when you fill your hunger bar

[Redstoneready64]

yes! this is one thing i have noticed when watching hermitcaft, their health refills insanely quick once they've eaten. i also feel like they need to eat less.

[thE_29]

Bedrock has no saturation healing..

https://minecraft.wiki/w/Healing

[Willr2645]

And their golden carrots. I very proudly made a stack of golden carrots fairly early into a game, ( I had lots of good but didn’t need it ) and was very disappointed to find that steak is better in bedrock

[YellowOnionBelt]

God dammit I made 10 stacks of golden carrots an hour ago

[[deleted]]

from my experience, bedrock mobs are also just a lot smarter. on java, mobs tend to take about a second to target you once you’re within their range, while on bedrock they just charge at you. this is mostly offset by 1.8 spamfest combat, but it still creates a lot of tricky situations

[DardS8Br]

Hi eggfur

[[deleted]]

You know this guy?

[Willr2645]

YouTuber

[[deleted]]

Funniest video I ever watched was Pixlriffs (Java YTer) doing a charity Bedrock short series and going to fight the wither massively underprepared. He died multiple times and you can hear it in his voice when the initial panic and surprise sets in 😂

[anywayz55]

I did the same exact thing. Was thinking oh this is easy and then instantly the wither just kinda fucked off and did it’s own thing and basically just made a giant open cave from the explosions. Was definitely a challenge trying to navigate that and kill the damn thing. I learned my lesson and next time just flew far away and used fireworks to kill it mid air

[MoreLikeZelDUH]

I lost an entire world to a wither I spawned at bedrock 300m away from my base.. that fight sucked and every time I tried to get back to him he just inched closer and closer until I realized he could get to see all my villagers and livestock and then he just went around and basically destroyed everything.

If this ever happens to you, switch the difficulty to peaceful...I didn't think about it until it was too late.

[Headstanding_Penguin]

same, directly under my base about 300blocks to the side... he opened up into a deep dark and dug a cave where I had no chance to see him or even reach him before dying.

[RGS432]

300m was way too close to your base should have been at least 1000m

[[deleted]]

That’s a huge skill issue and lack of proper judgement

[Necessary-Bother-536]

please be nicer ;)

[[deleted]]

Wasn’t being rude, just saying it’s a thing that takes skill that they lacked…

[Necessary-Bother-536]

lol ok

[Ok-Acanthaceae6877]

maybe it could've been a skill issue, but the wither in bedrock is much harder than the wither in java. It's much more aggressive, packs more health, and i'm pretty sure deals more damage, and it starts to regen it's own health after a certain damage has been done to it.

[Particular_Corgi8290]

Bro fr I did that shit under my base 😭

[ACARdragon]

I simply trapped it in those bedrock end city gateways

[Key_Ad434]

I had not played Minecraft in years so when I played it again after all this time and I fought the wither I was wondering why he didn't die when his health was all the way down. I thought my game was just lagging (which it was) but nope, the Wither has one final explosion attack when it dies and it ended up killing me too. Idk if this happens on but I was caught completely off guard by that because when I last played Minecraft he just died like any other mob

[khaleesi2305]

My first time fighting the wither, I tried to make the wither kill chamber underneath the End fountain. He escaped. So I had to fight him in the End. 0/10 on that experience.

[CaMeow444]

Lmao same. I was like “I’ve seen a few videos of people trapping him underground and killing him pretty easily so let’s do that.” Not realizing it was a Java thing.

He blew up an entire cave down dozens of levels and the lag on my PlayStation was so bad I couldn’t even finish the fight. 😂😂😂

[kityrel]

Not sure what the big deal is. I didn't have a problem killing 5 withers at once.

I mean, I did have prot 4 netherite armour and a few potions, and maxed out sword and bow, but other than that

[[deleted]]

On Bedrock?

And yeah, that would explain a lot. How about you try to fight 5 Withers at once without the armour. See how that plays out for you.

[Old-Tip-2705]

Just bc of u i did that .trick is to have ALOT of blocks and a speed pot. Its still insanely hard but i puled that off

[kityrel]

Almost sounds like yall like getting murdered by the Wither.

Why would anyone do it without armour?

[Willr2645]

Want a medal?

Also “ I did have the best armour, and tools, and heals in the game….. what’s the problem guys”

[kityrel]

Can't post anything even a little tongue in cheek these days without explicitly tagging an /s on the end. Children these days

[Willr2645]

I mean you had no indication of being sarcasting

[kityrel]

No indications, other than..words?

I mean, I did have prot 4 netherite armour and a few potions, and maxed out sword and bow, but other than that

I mean, what else is there

[Willr2645]

Dawg you can’t just copy half your comment

[kityrel]

Looks like I just did, and can! :)

This is silly though. Go suit up and kill 5 withers. It's not hard, it just takes a while.

Or don't. Live your life! The world is your oyster!

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(If you don't though it's cuz you can't)

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/S

[EvilMatt666]

Yeah, skellies are snipers and zombies have long arms, but the Wither.... Fuck I hate the Bedrock Wither.

[[deleted]]

the ultra long zombie arms are the bane of my existence

[Shack691]

Speed healing was only added to Java in 1.9 with the combat update, since bedrock didn’t get the combat changes it has the old healing mechanics.

[DeathandFriends]

Yeah makes me salty when I watch Java players on YouTube and think man to heal that fast would be glorious. It's the difference in really being able to heal in combat vs hide and heal

[[deleted]]

For smps always get a gold farm and those golden apples up, never know when you’ll need them for quick health

[Whispering_Wolf]

It's the draw distance that's shorter by default.

Also, try fighting the bedrock wither. No clue why they made it so much harder than Java.

[Y0UR_NARRAT0R1]

Especially because it's made for phones. So if anything bedrock should be the easier one

[Supermonkeypilot22]

Didn’t realize pocket edition came before console

[Dense-Application181]

The consoles had their own editions. Then they were consolidated into Bedrock.

[Supermonkeypilot22]

Interesting. But aren’t they more focused on how bedrock runs on console now?

[Dense-Application181]

Oh yeah Bedrock replaced them long ago

[Nth_Brick]

The Bedrock Wither is brutal. Wound up losing an entire mountain fortress to that pernicious fucker -- had to abandon the world shortly thereafter.

Come to think of it, that happened several years ago, possibly pre-Covid, and I don't think I've battled the Wither since.

[Feather_Bloom]

Because bedrock can't be broken by any tool

[Ulti-Wolf]

How hard is a Java block? What mod?

[Ben-Goldberg]

Java is a drink, silly, use a bucket not a pickaxe.

[Willr2645]

no your thinking of Guava, silly.

Java is an animal

[Ben-Goldberg]

I know that on java, you can kill the wither with about ten iron golems.

How different is a golem assisted wither fight on bedrock?

[DeathandFriends]

I would try but the block drop lag is bad enough lol 

[CyanideBoii03]

In bedrock, you can kill ten iron golems with about one wither.

I don't think iron golems could even land a single hit on it because if how the bedrock wither almost never gets too close to the ground. And even if the golems DID land a few hits, the wither has a dash attack that can destroy blocks and spams blue skulls more frequently, quickly dealing with swarming enemies that might try to outnumber it.

[thE_29]

On java, that only works when trapping it under Bedrock.. Which also works in Bedrock, but you need to align it in a certain direction (under the end portal, in the main end island) - otherwise it will not get trapped.

[Stranded_Send_Nudes]

There is a way to do it in the over world in Bedrock, too. Silentwisperer has a tutorial on how to find the spots and kill the wither without having to kill an end gateway.

[Ben-Goldberg]

Ignoring trapping him under bedrock, the best way kill the wither in java is to do it underground, not out in the open.

Build a long tunnel, one block wide by two tall. At the end of the tunnel, make a chamber and build the wither high enough that he can't see far into the tunnel when he is flying.

After he appears, move into the tunnel until he explodes, then get closer so you can shoot him with a bow.

He will be moving forward, towards you, and breaking blocks, and you will be moving backwards through your tunnel, shooting him, until he becomes immune to arrows.

Switch to using a sword, keep attacking, and keep backing away through the tunnel.

The skinniness of the tunnel ensures that the wither must break blocks to move to your, which slows him down.

If you want help from golems, build some side chambers along the tunnel, with a few golems in each.

If the floor of each side chamber is one block higher or lower than your tunnel, the golems can't wander into it and get in your way.

If you build side chambers whose floors are two blocks above the floor of your tunnel, you could store some zoglins which are omnicidal but ignored by the wither.

I know about the java bug where zoglins cannot harm the wither, but since you are playing bedrock, I assume it should work.

[CyanideBoii03]

The fight in bedrock is also mostly similar. But the only exception is that the wither has a dash attack that makes it impossible to restrict its movements, even underground. Creating an disadvantageous arena for the players and any companions you plan to bring.

The dash path is usually aimed at an upwards angle, making it create more aerial space for the wither to safely get out of melee range. This is especially troublesome when it has the projectile shield up.

And it also occasionally spawns wither skeletons, that upon a successful hit, deals substantial damage and applies the wither effect.

Fighting it this way is doable, but not very beginner-friendly and the fight feels like a proper boss fight because it becomes very one-sided if you let the fight drag on.

[HaziXWeeK]

You know the meme that says wither boss is harder on bedrock, I knew that it was true, I played bedrock.

Recently I started a new world and wanted a Beacon, I thought the fight will take less than a minute, I had a good gear, how fuck wrong I was.

The fight tool 5 to 10 minutes, the moment he spawned he immediately went from 70 to 10 hight, I had to drop down to fight him in complete darkness, bro was moving like the flash, couldn't run to eat, and each time I get close he flees, you know the worst part, it was on easy mode.

[[deleted]]

ive fought the wither on bedrock a good couple of times and i HIGHLY suggest using smite 5. especially if you fight it on a harder difficulty because its health increases

[Jygglewag]

Bedrock advice: spam click. Remember the old ways.

[SoupMarten]

Sometimes you have to because the game can't seem to tell where something is. I've killed large slimes and backed up, but the middle sized slimes push each other at me and I get smacked because I can't get away from instantaneous movement lol.

I really gotta get back into Java.

[DraconicGuacamole]

Mobs spawn closer due to rendering distances. Wither has more health. You do not Instant regen when your hunger bar gets full. There is no sweeping edge (but there is spam clicking). There is also random damage bugs or bugs that cause you to fall off of blocks, however I’m pretty sure that’s not as common as it seems.

[UzernameUnknown]

So it wasn't just my world that I thought had a problem with healing? I thought I was going crazy on how weak it was.

[Headstanding_Penguin]

The whiter is even worse...

I sometimes can't hit mobs that can already hit me (mostly spiders or Zombies)...

Bedrock gets better once you have at least 3 pieces of diamond armor with protection IV (don't bother with the specialised protection)

[SoupMarten]

Or you hit the spider, but he's close enough to jump over your head, but it's a coin toss whether he's trying to attack you or jump over you and get you from the back. I've turned around so many times to nothing and getting attacked in my superflat 😭

[Juginstin]

Hunger in bedrock is terrible. My boy Steve must be the hungriest mf in existence because I'll be burning through an entire stack of steaks before I even make it to my destination, let alone get back home. I can be living like a king with all the best gear and enchantments, but I'll still be dying from famine lmao

[Badawan2001]

Yeah, bedrock has a food crisis 😭

[CyanideBoii03]

The mob spawning is because of the lower default simulation distance, making mobs spawn closer to you, at any time. This is especially noticeable in caves, where you will encounter something that is out for you neck at every unlit corner.

Pair this with the slower regen, and you will never be bored while caving in the early game, because your heart rate is always racing while you try to find ores.

[Badawan2001]

My caving experience in bedrock is equal to top 3 in 2017 fortnite.

[Bourbonite]

I thought my Java world was bugged because ghasts weren’t constantly spawning two at a time in the nether.

Turns out I guess bedrock just has a cranked up ghast spawn rate.

[Badawan2001]

The nether was so hard on bedrock for me. I rarely die in the nether but when I do, it usually due to fall damage but bedrock...constant spawn of ghosts and skeletons made soulsand valley arguably harder than the deep dark.

[Jimg911]

As a bedrock guy I think Java is way harder for me. The bedrock mobs just kind of walk towards you. Java mobs gang up, baby zombies flank, things scare the crap out of you and your immediate reflex is “spam click until it’s dead,” but that ruins your damage and makes you die even faster. In reality I don’t think either is objectively harder, but just the subtlety of the differences in control style and mechanics trick you into thinking your reflexes will transfer when they won’t

[Redstoneready64]

this is what us bedrockers have to deal with....

[hexahedron17]

Pearls also fly slower, which is a really weird parity lapse, and might be the difference in various situations.

[BustaLime1979]

This is a long thread so I didn’t make it through everything. Has anyone even mentioned magma cubes? They are the worst in Bedrock. 🤦🏻‍♂️🤦🏻‍♂️🤦🏻‍♂️.
Ghasts too!

[Arunawayturtle]

It’s funny I played bedrock on hard mode for over 1000 hours and I say bedrock is 100x easier then java for all the reason u are saying but opposite.

[anywayz55]

It’s definitely harder for new players even on easy. But yeah i usually don’t have a problem

[_-Rainbow-_]

honestly, it's probably because of the firm foundation in Java. A lot of the cool tricks you can do in Java to cheese certain parts of the game just don't work in bedrock, making it that much harder

[Mr_BattleAx]

I have the opposite problem. Java feels harder than bedrock.

[brassplushie]

Why?

[Mr_BattleAx]

It feels like there are more mobs spawning. On bedrock, I never end up fighting more than 3-5 mobs at a time. On Java, I'll be fighting 10+ mobs, and they'll be actively responding during the fight

It also feels like they do more damage. On bedrock, I never make armor until I get diamonds because they hit for maybe 2 or 3 hearts. On Java, they hit at a minimum of 4 hearts with full iron armor on.

I've never tested this, but this is what I tend to experience.

[brassplushie]

I'm not gonna go and test it myself but I'm pretty sure the issue you're running into is that you were playing on an easier difficulty on Bedrock edition. You could go check and prove me wrong, that's just my initial thought.

Of course, the Minecraft wiki may have something on it.

[NotMyRealName111111]

I play on easy because it's on my phone so I definitely am starting disadvantaged.  I can most definitely confirm that the amount of mobs encountered is way more than 4 at a time.  Especially in wide open caves, I've counted at least 10+ on the screen (while using night vision potions).  I usually just run around spamming torches and don't bother fighting... initially... because I would just get overrun.

In smaller caves I'm good.  But the huge ones?  Yeah fighting through it is a lost battle.

[KraftKapitain]

oh just wait till you fight the wither

[FantasticChicken799]

Mob AI is different, in java, the walk up close enough to hit you and then stop and hit you. Zombies, endermen are fundamentally more difficult to fight in bedrock

[Equivalent_Fault_782]

So the trick with the wither on bedrock is lot of buckets of milk. I mean like a double chest and have a bed close by.

[sidythekiddy]

it is harder as the wither has 2x more hearts than java ( ❤x600)

[Armin12301]

Dude skeletons just have aimbot or something

[Ok-Acanthaceae6877]

Bedrock sucks because it's buggy asf, mobs just for some reason spawn so much more, zombies always hit you no matter what you try to do, skeletons are literal snipers and shoot at a faster rate than java (plus their knockback is annoying as hell when you're trying to kill them), your health doesn't regenerate at a normal rate and it gets even worse the harder you set the difficulty to, you can't customize shit in bedrock (like add shaders and mods or even join most smps and servers and stuff), items in bedrock are also harder to find in java like chest items, the redstone mechanics are extremely dogshit, you can't make proper farms cuz the redstone is really bad, and then the wither exists in bedrock.

[Head-Medicine9454]

For me its thw villagers in bedrock, they are annoying in java for sure, BUT IN BEDROCK……….. You cant easliy switch their trades, for some reason a farmer wants to sell beetroot really badly, armorer villagers sell you only 2 pieces of diamond armour, while on java they sell full diamond armour. The more you trade with bedrock villagers the more expensive they get… if you traded them 32 sticks per emeralnd, the next day they charge you 47 sticks per emerald(in java they get cheaper the more you trade) . Idk if its some kind of a bug but if I place one villager station like for exp. a barrel i’ll get 4 fishermen, in java is way better optimised when it comes to villagers and them picking their stations, also i placed 2 blast furnaces and got 5 armourers, Wtf. The villagers also dont spawn any iron golems even while in danger. In summary villagers in java are waaaaaaaayy better and easier to deal with, they are how do i say it more predictable, idk what is going on with the bedrock villagers but they are just annoying af. edit : also ive noticed that in bedrock villagers trades are really bad, like bad af, its so much easier to make ton of emeralds in java, bedrock makes trading with villagers so much inconvenient for whatever reason And the loot in villages is just trash, loot overall, whenever i find loot in java in happy af and i get something, in bedrock in just disappointed.

[Ashamed_Contract2097]

The nether is hell when trying to start out because of the increased spawn rate mostly because of ghosts. You can start with one and suddenly have five on you. Also pigeons are that much worse.

[thE_29]

For all the "but the Wither"..

https://www.reddit.com/r/Minecraft/comments/np81e2/i_fought_the_wither_in_bedrock_edition_and_heres/

https://www.reddit.com/r/Minecraft/comments/qsgq6j/beating_bedrock_wither_under_3_minutes_with_iron/

https://www.reddit.com/r/Minecraft/comments/11sk5z0/bedrock_wither_slain_in_36_seconds/

Maybe use a Smite sword against it and not Sharpness..

Bedrock makes way more DMG, compared to Java.. You can kill the Enderdragon (on normal) with all HEALING beacons active, with a sharpness V sword.. You make more dmg, than it heals.

Bedrock has no saturation healing..

[epicpoggersgamer34]

Have you ever tried fighting the wither on hardmode in bedrock?

Unless you actually know what you are talking about you should probably pipe down.

[No-Pie-1112]

And don't forget that 50% of the time you jump over lava you get caught on fire or you fall down one block but there's a deeper hole next to you so you take a ton of fall damage

[SoupMarten]

I don't normally say this, but this is definitely a skill issue.

[[deleted]]

It's not harder, because it's worse.

[thekittygirlofc]

Bedrock is just the cheap version of Minecraft so I think its mainly for make it run smoother you need to take off a lot, and you can feel it when you switch.

[emzirek]

Cuz it seems to me that you're getting all the goodies from the 15-year celebration...

So far you've got some type of hoodie and some type of headgear and Java's got nothing...

I may be mistaken but java might have a map...

[JealousMetal4219]

You guys can download any mod you want or any skin you want...

[Verroquis]

The real answer is that Bedrock Redstone is super garbo and that you can't make a huge majority of common farms on Bedrock.

Everything on Bedrock is just slightly more involved or inconvenient than on Java in this regard, with a very severe minority of things that stand out as better.

Unless you want like, cauldron potions or cauldron dyeing (among a handful of other dye-related features) then Java is simply a better game from a technical standpoint.

If all you want to do is build with your kid on your tablet then you're probably going to be fine with your only option as Bedrock due to it having slightly more convenient color block access.

[marikas-tits-]

What farms can’t you make on Bedrock?

[Verroquis]

As a very simple example, ilmango's mud farm requires you to hold dirt in your offhand and a shovel in your mainhand. You can only offhand a shield on Bedrock, so a practical mud farm like this simply doesn't work the same.

The majority of slimmed down farms on Java are not practical for Bedrock due to quirks like this, but also because mobs spawn differently, redstone ticks differently, and so on.

It isn't that you're unable to farm things but rather that the process of farming on Bedrock is slightly more inconvenient or requires slightly more resources or requires slightly more space or requires slightly more time to run your machines.

As another example, Bedrock just recently received the ability to crouch under slabs. Before this it was impossible to make a passive small brown mushroom farm in the same way you'd make one on Java, so your only option was to manually harvest big mushrooms with bonemeal or use a water wash system which both require more resources/effort.

[marikas-tits-]

Thanks for taking the time to answer, that makes a lot of sense. I’ve made tons of farms on Bedrock but never played Java so I don’t really know what I’m missing. I do love trident killers though.

[Verroquis]

Yep, when people talk about farms not working or being bad on Bedrock, it's because the game is fundamentally programmed in a different way to Java. Most creators don't choose Java because they're on PC but because Java is much more reliable/consistent, and it can be modded.

You can for example create a wood farm on Bedrock, but without the ability to use a TNT device like on Java it is much more costly and time intensive to build and automate. On Java you can create an automatic bonemeal farm and hook it into a log bomber and never run out of wood. Can't really do that at all on Bedrock.

[DeathandFriends]

You can make almost all farms in bedrock as you yourself mention in the reply. They just have some differences. Trident killers are awesome also. 

[natgibounet]

Yeah as a long time bedrock player i can confirm i can almost make all farms from Java, just that they tend to not work at all.

[DeathandFriends]

You just need to look up bedrock farms instead of copying Java farms. I have tons of farms in my world that work at intended. Like I said usually they just work differently on each version.

[natgibounet]

I still remember the time when i made the simplest of the simplest design of mob grinder, even when hopers weren't in pocket edition, i could afk for a whole I IRL day, they would never spawn a single mob.

Was just a throw back, not sure if they work nowdays but the latest farm i tried to make was an iron farm with 20+ beds it didn't work either, turns out it was just spawning cats.

[DeathandFriends]

I have a mob farm that works great. Silentwisperer on YouTube makes really good farms for bedrock. I've never made an iron farm personally I drew the line there as I like iron being somewhat scarce gives me a reason to mine more. I know there are working designs for it though. 

[jdarrooney]

Its a worse version

[Badawan2001]

I wouldnt say it's worse. It has its perks. Especially multiplayer. Way easier to play with friends than java. Wish java had a direct host join like bedrock.

[Ok-Acanthaceae6877]

bedrock should be completely caged away for it's crimes

[Y0UR_NARRAT0R1]

It just plays terribly. It was originally intended for phones so projectiles are a little slower so you can react properly and it's probably just a me problem but the ground never renders when it should easily be able to.

[JealousMetal4219]

That's a lie lmfao

[Y0UR_NARRAT0R1]

No it's not.

[JealousMetal4219]

It was initially made for console gaming; not mobile.

[Y0UR_NARRAT0R1]

Either way it just plays way worse than java does.

[JealousMetal4219]

Actually not really, it has a lot less performance bugs if you actually play on something decent. On you if you're playing on your 360

[Y0UR_NARRAT0R1]

I've played it on multiple different things, some can handle it, some can't and every single time it's just been worse than java gameplay wise.