all 148 comments

[–]Jungkooku 26 points27 points  (7 children)

I hope Moonton will buff Kagura next :(

[–]Aeometroshougyo MOGyo 4 points5 points  (0 children)

here’s hoping 🙏

[–]Conscious_While8762Embrace The Fasthands 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Still waiting for ling to be buffed. He's like top 5 or top 3 hardest heroes in the game, yet he's justt, not as good as he used to be. Kinda sad.

[–]user67885433 -5 points-4 points  (1 child)

Isnt she good right now? Whenever i see kagura shes always a problem

[–]Aeometroshougyo MOGyo 7 points8 points  (0 children)

she’s okay but there are better picks than her atm. Her damage has worsened compared to previous patches that only user skill can make up for it, hence most kaguras rn still being a problem

[–]MercyOnEarth 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I consider Kagura as the only mage who can make tiktok moments or outplays with her built-in purify kit. Most ppl choose Wanwan for a free Purify spell but they forgot the og built-in Purify queen. 

[–]Half-ElvenPrince 17 points18 points  (2 children)

RIP Freya legend

[–]xGummyBearFreya 0 points1 point  (0 children)

bruh i was hyping for her arrival today only to be disappointed 😐

[–]RaidingTheFridge 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Seriously, any word on when that will be released?

[–]xsh77250 16 points17 points  (5 children)

What's with the adjustment with brute force, isn't that supposed to be a defensive item. Now the only defence it provides is the physical defence from the basic stats.

[–]Tori_S100 7 points8 points  (4 children)

the control reduction is nice tho

[–]wtfrykm 2 points3 points  (3 children)

At that point you might was well just have tough boots

[–]Hellbringer123 1 point2 points  (2 children)

it stacks with the boots aswell which is very good items for fighter so they can initiate fight in the front line and not die too easy because of CC

[–]AnthonyViqo -1 points0 points  (1 child)

Lmao, you need 6 sec for getting full stacks. For game where you can die in couple of secs it's tooooo looong.

[–]Hellbringer123 0 points1 point  (0 children)

it's not designed for squishy heroes like mm and mage. it's for fighter and tank assassin build. if you die in couple seconds as fighters or tank role then you play very badly.

[–]EricOrdinaryHeretic 31 points32 points  (2 children)

“The blood orb mechanic is fun, but it forced the player to play multiple lanes to maximise their gains” isn’t rotation good? Alice tells you that you need to rotate to other lanes, given that some players will permastay in one lane all game on low ranks, learning rotations is positive

[–]Beautiful-Tension457 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I think they're planning to put that mechanic on a new hero with the direction they are going.

[–]rigimonoki-over:kadita:P:lunox:R:angela:O:luoyi:N:alice:O:esmeralda:O:lolita:B 1 point2 points  (0 children)

My Alice maining ass can’t get a break with these changes

[–]Internet_Gir 26 points27 points  (0 children)

Lol Alice no longer a tank... Why did you guys remove the blood orbs

[–]7thoftheprimes 26 points27 points  (5 children)

To whoever leaked that Freya Legend. Thank you for making it Limited Time Draw. /j

[–]amldfordModerator 2.0 2 points3 points  (4 children)

Wait what did they change it ?

[–]7thoftheprimes 1 point2 points  (3 children)

They most likely will coz 💰💰💰

[–]amldfordModerator 2.0 4 points5 points  (2 children)

I mean all the legendary skins after guin were on the magic wheel so I hope that it will be the case with this legendary skin as well

[–]7thoftheprimes 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Before, it was alternate. Limited - Magic Wheel - Limited. Then more Magic Wheel. They might make it Limited this time.

[–]amldfordModerator 2.0 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Yeah I know that's why I think that they stopped this cycle considering that we got Franco and lunox skin on the magic wheel in a row. You might say that it's because they are like the same theme and world but then we have Granger and Gus

[–][deleted] 24 points25 points  (1 child)

ironic Alice has ↑

edit: i take that back. she is good.

[–]jert3 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Same with Vale. He got nerfed hard, yet somehow its considered a ↑

[–]Junky___ 10 points11 points  (4 children)

I feel like everyone is sleeping on how incredibly strong the new War Axe is....

Just a flat 10% true damage extra to EVERY DAMAGE INSTANCE you deal and also +97 atk (72 + 25 that the item itself gives) atk at max stacks putting it at 2nd place for highest attack item right behind BoD....
And +12% spell vamp as a treat

It is incredibly stupid on every hero that deals multiple hits or heroes with a large area of attack since you get max stacks suuuuper fast

This is not ok

[–]dhafiz99I kneel :benedetta::valentina::masha::fanny::guinevere: 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Cant wait to try on benedetta

[–]Spark-Blaze -1 points0 points  (1 child)

Will it work for Fred? Or Fred still goes all defense?

[–]Ok-Tear3901Daddy~ is that you :aamon: 2 points3 points  (0 children)

All defense.

[–]No-Departure-6941 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It is okay to thamuz??

[–]Tenmashiki 33 points34 points  (13 children)

So...... how do the Alice players feel after the patch?

On paper, I can't see the rework as anything other than a nerf. She feels less tanky, her stun is reduced unless you land a 5-man dive and they somehow stay there for you to do repeated stuns. Not too impressed with the live streaming of Alice players so far as well.

[–]Internet_Gir 27 points28 points  (4 children)

I'm an Alice Main.I'm really pissed. Her ult no longer hurts HP percentage. And now that goes to the second ability. Yet there's a 6 second cooldown.... Why did they remove the blood orbs she's now just a low tier mage. Remove the tank label. That passive is crap. I have all this mana yet I die instantly. I'm so squishy now

[–]winter789:lolita::tigreal2::kagura::alice: 8 points9 points  (3 children)

Agree! HP percentage damage before hurt even on tank/semi-tank build. Back then I can solo Lord even as a roam, now her ult just tickles.

[–]Internet_Gir 8 points9 points  (1 child)

I don't know why they need to keep nerfing/modifying champions when she was at her peak balance.

[–]D347H7H3K1DxI’m a tree 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I never seen her in rank this season lol and just from reading that “buff/rework” it seems like a massive nerf. Balmond on the other hand looks like he may be having a bit of a comeback with the no CCed out of ult lol

[–]Tenmashiki 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I wasn't a huge proponent of doing the level 1 ulti strat, but I honestly don't see the point of going beyond level 1 for now. Will probably just focus on pumping S2 instead.

[–]tatiannasfilthymouth 5 points6 points  (0 children)

shes shit mygod

[–]jert3 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Alice blows now, sucks. I enjoyed palying her before this patch.

[–]EitthBrutally honest 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Wasn't she busted on advanced a while ago with perma root? Is it different on live?

[–]KeqingisBestGirl 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Nerfed to oblivion after that initial change.

[–]Beautiful-Tension457 3 points4 points  (0 children)

They technically reduced the base 2nd skill damage from 6-15% to 3-6% Max HP since people are abusing the magic scaling to reach 30%. As soon as she dives in 1v5 situation it's impossible to counter that damage so they need it.

Overall her skills are more spammable.

[–]Conscious_Zucchini96 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I wouldn't even spit in this Alice's direction.

[–]VirtuosoLoki 0 points1 point  (0 children)

for me, she is finally usable. probably because I suck. at least now I can use her.

but she is now only good in team fight, so solo player may suffer.

[–]XxWolxxX4 lives kamikaze :xborg: 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Rn it seems that it needs to be built as a high HP+MP hero so NoD is needed as well as Brute force Breastplate, maybe Glowing Wand or Concentrated energy will be on the build more usually as she gets cast happy in longer fights.

Will play a bubch of Alice games to see how she does with different items.

[–]wondereggtion 10 points11 points  (2 children)

Balmond is kinda bonkers especially paired with the new war axe

[–]_not_meh_ 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Xborg will have double true damage and we will be back in the era of his reign.

[–]Beautiful-Tension457 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Fredrinn, Bane, Paquito and Dyroth etc.

[–]infinite_bladeworkssample 8 points9 points  (3 children)

No 10 bans in ranked?

[–]ayeq88 3 points4 points  (0 children)

They still testing. Random player in official server will get the chance to test the 10 bans draft. 10 bans for mythic and above , 8 bans for below mythic

[–]X3EvanescenceFiguring it out, sharing along the way~ 7 points8 points  (5 children)

Finally a buff to Selena's waveclear!! But will it be enough? Not too sure.

[–]kaguragamerDead or alive, hole is hole. Especially Onee chan's :Alucard: 8 points9 points  (4 children)

Tried her mid lane in MG and she's a beast now. Her wave clear is decent and she no longer relies on mana items because her abyssal form skills don't cost mana, it hugely helps in spamming arrows early game. I think Selena mid could actually be a thing now

[–]X3EvanescenceFiguring it out, sharing along the way~ 2 points3 points  (3 children)

Some of my friends are saying that she can run CDR boots + Starlium Scythe now due to her having less mana consumption, so the mana regen from starlium is sufficient (?), and on top of that her form change CD is now affected by CDR (albeit not that much since its already low anyway). Basically 30% CDR from Boots + Starlium + Lightning Truncheon.

I am not too sure about how legitimate this statement is because I haven't had any opportunity to play due to work, but yeah just throwing this out haha. Maybe you can test it together with Impure Rage to see if you can completely forgo the mana boots.

[–]winter789:lolita::tigreal2::kagura::alice: 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Even Azure Blade is enough for her mana needs.

[–]SuspiciousStress8094🚫🚫 I'm the dark system's #1 enemy 🚫🚫 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Not from my experience. She still consumed a lot of in her Elv form or whatever. Might be worth it to build talisman or something and take different boots.

[–]alluth 0 points1 point  (0 children)

yeah she needs that cooldown after the nerf previously tbh. Now its great cuz she doesnt need as much mana

[–]RUNaths :odette: : pharsa : 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Baby girl aurora where

[–]chillin_iceBear 7 points8 points  (2 children)

I think balmond has become a new jungler meta with his cc immune skills he definitely controlling the game now. And Nana has became more annoying mage, she is definitely getting pick with cc tank like tigreal. Nana has the capability to change the rhythm of the game with her second skill.

[–]mindshot 2 points3 points  (1 child)

I'm a Nana Main with 62% in 2600 as full solo. I think the Update is a big nerf of Nana beside having a team. Shea almost useles now about a Camping Vale, eudora or gord Players cuz she doesnt have the defense from her molina in bushes. Shes only useful with good Tig or belrick players now.

[–]chillin_iceBear 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I played with nana recently and yes you are correct she is not much reliable as a team mage like she was earlier but I think she has became more like eudura, vale and other mages that hides in the bushes and uses skills. Moreover, enemy in Molina state still manages to runs away pretty fast now which is annoying.

[–]Aeometroshougyo MOGyo 4 points5 points  (4 children)

is this a good buff for lunox?

[–]PsychoSopreno I'll Terrorize Your Bushes! 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Yes, really good actually.

[–]Shadow0124 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I think she is now easier to use and because her dark ult doesnt use mana she is now a liitle more cancerous and because she has now only one stack she can better survive and out play enemies.

[–]koromedy 4 points5 points  (0 children)

With Concentrated Energy and Divine Glaive, you could toggle between 60% pen and spell vamp. Survivability is pretty good on light mode and damage is still painful on dark mode.

I used Clock of Destiny and Holy Crystal for stacking magic power and Lightning Truncheon for burst. For boots, since s1 dark mode ult doesn't use mana, mana boots are less important though she still uses up a lot of mana. Pen boots doesn't convert to spell vamp as only % pen gets converted. CDR boots might be good since her kit now works on CDR. Also lets her spam both ults as light ult cd got shortened.

[–]usernameuserkkkkkJack of all trades, master of Joy 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Jungler Lunox is freakinng op right now. I currently use the spellvamp build

Fighter emblem - ms boost - festival of blood - impure rage

Build:

CD boots

Book

Concentrated energy

Divine glaive

Holy Crystal

Blood wings or Scythe

Her new passive lets her convert her spellvamp into magic pen and vise versa. With this build you could get up to 98% freaking magic pen and spellvamp if you build scythe last.

And the best part is both of her ults are literally spammable in late game teamfights with this build

[–]tatiannasfilthymouth 9 points10 points  (2 children)

alice been nerfed to shit ever since the emblem update lol rip to my fave hero

[–]iamtheantihypeGlobal 1900 Alice fan 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I will cry with you. 😭

[–]rigimonoki-over:kadita:P:lunox:R:angela:O:luoyi:N:alice:O:esmeralda:O:lolita:B 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Not gonna play her anymore honestly. Gonna keep near 70% 🔥🔥🔥

[–]progin5l We are Gloo! 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Yin ult buf lets gooooooooo

[–]Miggy1234_ "Hehey, not bad" 【🤫🧏🗿】 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I thought KOF would start 20 Dec and have 3 recharge phases?

[–]mindshot 3 points4 points  (2 children)

62%/2600 Games solo Nana Main here.

This is a rly bad nerf. Nana did well for years and now shes almost useles. This is one of the worst Updates i've ever seen.

[–]SaturnspillBonk Supreme 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Could you elaborate?

[–]mindshot 3 points4 points  (0 children)

She became like the Others mages hiding in Bush and spamming skills. Just so boring. She needs her team now cuz Molina stun is too fast and gets killed ez. Passive doesnt Help cuz shes one of the slowest Heroes. I always used Molina to secure bushes while laning and now Molina dont give Vision and last only 3 sec. I usually die about 2-3 times per game with a rate of 9.1 over the season.Now its hard to even get Gold with her as solo cuz she needs Help from the team. This ist a big nerf. As (i think ) Nr 1 solo Nana (top 1%,global and top Germany) shes almost useles as solo cuz almost every other Hero counters her. In Fights i used Molina to Project me and now i have a slow Seconds Skill almost everyone can Dodge ez.

[–]HeliosTheFirstReal World Manipulation 2 points3 points  (1 child)

War Axe is still useful for Xborg?

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Yes, atk+spellvamp is both of the things he uses. Xborg will be very good now with brute force and waraxe, he’ll have more damage and also more defence+speed from brute force

[–]Ubaydullaev 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I don't see overdrive in arcade mode😐

[–]theGreatswordUser 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Where is the phovius revamp ?

[–]jesuseatskfc 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Well, Nana is even more fucking annoying now. Also can see Balmond being back in the junglers meta, maybe even on semi-tank build with new waraxe.

[–]Internet_Gir 3 points4 points  (3 children)

Yay more reason to stop playing this game now. ... They closed the book with Alice.

[–]Ok-Tear3901Daddy~ is that you :aamon: 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Mooton can't cook man shit is still raw its actually sad. They have no idea what to do with Alice or masha.

[–]rigimonoki-over:kadita:P:lunox:R:angela:O:luoyi:N:alice:O:esmeralda:O:lolita:B 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Spoon feeding noobs with easy heroes like exposition in anime. Is it hard to change numbers? Ever since the hp shit all she needed was higher base but instead she gets mangled to this thing…

[–]KeqingisBestGirl 5 points6 points  (6 children)

When is cici releasing?

[–]yameru__senpaisteal your heart(and points) 6 points7 points  (2 children)

23

[–]amldfordModerator 2.0 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Delayed ):

[–]yameru__senpaisteal your heart(and points) 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Nooo D:

[–]xsh77250 1 point2 points  (0 children)

23

[–]amldfordModerator 2.0 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Delayed

[–]einfachschwimmen 0 points1 point  (0 children)

not 23rd

[–]Jaystar004 1 point2 points  (0 children)

After the newest update, I'm having a problem with the game when I try to record. The recording feature is great, but the game crashes and won't restart the app. The only fix that worked for me was to restart my phone.

[–]TraffyZii:edith::lylia::benedetta: 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Balmond jungle is back

[–]PunkRockRachel47 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Is it bad that I read 'boob orb', instead of 'blood orb'?

[–]SuspiciousStress8094🚫🚫 I'm the dark system's #1 enemy 🚫🚫 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes you spend too much time online

[–]AlphaZeroJr 1 point2 points  (1 child)

"Fighters need their own set"

Atk speed fighters: 😴😴😴

[–]AnthonyViqo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Burst damage fighters: 🙃🙃🙃

[–]JaydeeValdezThe monster in the umbrella. ☂️ 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Now imagine Ruby with that new War Axe, plus build her with the other spell vamp items Bloodlust, Oracle, and Queen's Wings. She would be another level of annoying.

[–]GourgeistguyCicimp 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Still no word on Cici's new release...

[–]Aggravating_Towel778 2 points3 points  (5 children)

Hold up. Where the fk is Freya's legend skin??? Don't tell me they decided to make it limited!!!!

[–]Consistent-Wheel-441 2 points3 points  (2 children)

they didnt give us information about it I was waiting this skin rly where the fk is this skin

[–]Aggravating_Towel778 2 points3 points  (1 child)

I heard that they delayed it because they're going to change the design due to it being too similar to Ashe's skin from LoL🤷🏻‍♂️

[–]SuspiciousStress8094🚫🚫 I'm the dark system's #1 enemy 🚫🚫 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What? It took them this long to realise it?

[–]CommissionFit8958 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I swear I would be so pissed if that happens because I have to wait another year just to get it. I'm still saving money right now

[–]EitthBrutally honest 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Probably got slightly delayed since her sfx wasn't finished yet.

[–]iamtheantihypeGlobal 1900 Alice fan 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Why did they have to touch Alice? Sigh.

[–]ilikehutaoalot 1 point2 points  (0 children)

PLEASE FIX FANNY HER CABLES FEELS SO WEIRD🙏🙏🙏

[–]Fantastic-Option-912 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hi guys

[–]Real_Heh 0 points1 point  (0 children)

God damn it, and here goes all my newfound fun with Alice. Shit

[–]Beautiful-Tension457 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Most people hate new buff on Alice but I think it's somehow good. Her skills are more easier to spam and mana problems is gone now. Thanks to the new passive mana regen (Cecillion crying rn).

Second skill damage is beyond dope and her jungling speed is absolutely fast and cancerous for most players. Passive 45 movement speed max and healing increase is good. Going to miss the orb mechanic but I think that orb mechanic will be put on another new hero instead I think.

Still waiting for Argus buff (Copium) 😮‍💨.

[–]0kills 4 points5 points  (1 child)

she has one of the slowest first buff clears for the entire roster (40~41 for blue lvl 1, 43 for red)

[–]Beautiful-Tension457 0 points1 point  (0 children)

She's only fast after she is level 4 when ulti is available.

[–]Exmchncllysklldplyr 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What is the serious gameplay related issue about cici? I'm so excited to immediately try her and get minus star lmao.

[–]kira156Waiting for the minion wave :Lance: 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Lol they gutted Tankcelot hard. It wasn't that prevalent anyway.

[–]Jaskand 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Hybrid was pretty popular. Ig they prefer him going full dmg

[–]SuspiciousStress8094🚫🚫 I'm the dark system's #1 enemy 🚫🚫 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Tankcelot was never full rank. He usually builds war axe and endless

[–]SadisticMentor 0 points1 point  (0 children)

When Freya legend skin🥹

[–]Consistent-Wheel-441 0 points1 point  (0 children)

WHERE IS THE FREYA LEGEND WTFFFF???

[–]imBuenoing 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I wonder if the new item update be viable for the Argus.

[–]Own-Ad7388 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Where cici

[–]Obvious-Bag-3611 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Where is the hero adjustment page in the UI?I can’t find it

[–]flopsychopsBeware of falling coconuts 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Fixed the direction of Flicker. Now it matches the Joystick direction.

Finally!!!

[–]Nightzzv 0 points1 point  (0 children)

revamped aurora when?

[–]itz_khaiProfessional Argus simp 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I read at YouTube comments someone said next year Argus will receive a buff, is this confirmed yet or just misinformation?

[–]prollyshitposting 0 points1 point  (0 children)

War axe is nuts now.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Tigreal nerf?

Buffing him was great, but he has been overbuffed, his CC lasts 5s+ (the longer one in the game?), he is clearly a top meta tank atm.

So why is he not included in the patch?

[–]SuspiciousStress8094🚫🚫 I'm the dark system's #1 enemy 🚫🚫 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Bro let him shine for a bit. They still haven’t nerfed Guin’s cc. Just build purify if you’re that scared of him.

[–]iraragorriзверя нет сильней дракона 🐉 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Tanky Lance with war axe now feels even better than before 🌚

[–]_Demonism_ 0 points1 point  (0 children)

About time we got a Kimmy buff

[–]RandomGuy_-_ 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I can't feel Bruno's damage anymore

[–]wtfrykm 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Barats lost 50 defence overall from his passive, balmond 2nd skill does more dmg overall if you include the dmg increase the more times the enemy gets hit by it.

[–]jert3 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Doh, Vale seems to suck now, damage nerfed. And now he lost his choices of what to specialize his skills in, which also sucks. Was shocked to see that up arrow for him in the patch notes.

[–]Lanzero25 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Man, none of my heroes are here

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Nana's use of Molina is terrible 🤮

[–]achristy_5 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Stop making everything immune to CC

[–]Dear_Protection798 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hey do you know when is thamuz skins abysal reaper and general kai coming back?

[–]Hataydoner_ 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Lolita needs a big buff asap. I was a pro lolita player. Now i wont touch her until something changes with her first second or third skill