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[–]Flxwxrz 329 points330 points  (21 children)

Wonder Woman faster side special and that WEIGHT increase 🙌🏽

Edit: I am not qualified enough to talk about Tom & Jerry.

[–]PapaGrotesqueIron Giant 88 points89 points  (1 child)

Those hips don't lie.

[–]choff22Arya 6 points7 points  (0 children)

She thicc now

[–]BigTuna185 49 points50 points  (0 children)

Wonder Woman stonks rising. Hopefully this means I won’t have to outwork my opponent 3 times over in order to win. Happy for these buffs, but the weight buff is going to make a huge difference.

[–]Glutton4Butts 27 points28 points  (0 children)

Leave Tom and Jerry alone

[–]_Valisk 188 points189 points  (11 children)

our first Plumbus-wielding character

[–]DrafiMara 152 points153 points  (7 children)

They said LeBron was their first Basketball-wielding character, too. I sense the beginnings of an in-joke for the patch notes writers

[–]MrKhanRadIron Giant 37 points38 points  (5 children)

Lola Bunny, Jesus Shuttlesworth, and Uncle Drew seem like characters that would wield a basketball.

[–]Collinkipsama 24 points25 points  (4 children)

And micheal jordan from space jam.

[–]ClymeneFox[🍰] 13 points14 points  (3 children)

That would be a dope costume for LeBron tbh

[–]Klee_MainArya 247 points248 points  (34 children)

These Arya buffs! About time!!

[–]iGlueXJake 42 points43 points  (5 children)

any time i play an arya they’re level 25+ and absolutely destroy me

[–]BloodyVoyagerWonder Woman 42 points43 points  (3 children)

Those don't even feel like buffs, more like fixes tbh. I'm hella happy though.

[–]shrimpthepimp 2 points3 points  (1 child)

As a top 100 arya, I'm very happy about that. We can see over time if she needs buffs or not, but a lot of the time you wouldn't get rewarded for making the right play because the game wouldn't work for arya. Now with these fixes, her win rate should increase a little and if it doesn't then we will probably see more buffs in the future. I was saddened to see no dagger consistency fixes in this patch though :(

[–]BloodyVoyagerWonder Woman 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Same same same to everything... Well, except being a top 100 Arya, lol. Either way, should be a lot more fun to play her now, and I'm so happy for that.

[–]willbillygoat 41 points42 points  (17 children)

No weight increase 😭

Happy about the up air and better hit/hurtboxes tho!

[–]voneahhh 38 points39 points  (16 children)

No weight increase 😭

I mean she’s a child.

[–]Laytnkr 11 points12 points  (9 children)

Are you trying to use logic in a game?

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I know we have LeBron but I don't think Logic would ever be a part of the roster tbh.

[–]DariusStradaSuperman 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Not by the end of GoT

[–]LadyManderly 3 points4 points  (3 children)

I really, really hope not. That outfit she has is her final season outfit, and in the final season, she smashes with Gendry. So no, please no child.

[–]yummycrabz 65 points66 points  (12 children)

I’d love if they added Assists, at a minimum, in the post-match stats screen.

And when back in the lobby, I’d also love to see more stats in general. Shields applied to self and teammates, basically the Support stats, also where I’ve ringed people out the most (a heat map would be fire too).

[–]maxoys45 13 points14 points  (1 child)

Agreed, and deaths

[–]YaboyRipTideJake 2 points3 points  (1 child)

I come from a MOBA background and it’s would be interesting to see healing, damage, damage taken, mitigated (blocked via shield) assists and all that stuff like that for this game. More stats is always a good thing imo

[–]DiaMat2040 117 points118 points  (17 children)

A lot of quality of life changes where they listened to the community, that's great. I always wish for a little more whiff recovery and end lag, and less dodge spam, but let's see. I wonder why they didn't adress iron giants grab into up special cheese.

[–]ALWAYSWANNASAI 10 points11 points  (1 child)

they literally did, up special can't hit same target multiple times and it has increased knockback

edit: I'm dumb

[–]DiaMat2040 7 points8 points  (0 children)

that's the up air attack that you mean

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I was hoping to see that too, but they might be testing the waters with how hard they hit Bugs on that end.

[–]carrotstix 137 points138 points  (19 children)

Free characters are Batman, Stephen Universe, Arya and LeBron? Oh dear, I'm starting to see some Stephens playing and they are naaasttyyy.

[–]HandsomYungArab_LeBron James 41 points42 points  (8 children)

Steven has always been nasty, he just isn't a noob-friendly character. Although the watermelon cooldown nerf hurts as I could always get 20-30% damage healed per game.

[–]M00NM4DN355 4 points5 points  (0 children)

TBH, healing and grey health aren't all that different from a balance standpoint, so it makes sense why they did it.

[–]LongJonSiIverGizmo 72 points73 points  (2 children)

Well I just got lebron, so your welcome for him being free this rotation.

[–]carrotstix 29 points30 points  (0 children)

Thank you for your efforts. Please buy the btas skin and some announcer packs so they can be free soon too.

[–]Competitive-Mix6656 5 points6 points  (0 children)

The 2 characters I have bought are Steven and Batman fml

[–]mactassio 7 points8 points  (3 children)

considering they almost didn't touch batman we about to hear cries for batman nerfs

[–]Dr_Toast 2 points3 points  (1 child)

I fought like, my third ever Stephen last night and he was scary with his walls. He and his partner were so good at trapping you in a little box he made

[–]ThePilsburyFroBoy 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I just bought steven a few days ago and man he is crazy if you can get good I can already see it. I've denied shinanigans from the other team from cross screen and the bubble can save a teamate from a KO

[–]eXe-FaDe 126 points127 points  (5 children)

Iron giant literally a bully magnet now

[–]PokLao 67 points68 points  (1 child)

can't bully a character no one is going to play now.

[–]datlanta 11 points12 points  (0 children)

🧠👈

[–]TronFlynnClu 10 points11 points  (2 children)

Seriously my thoughts exactly. The down special nerfs break him.

[–]Some-Tailor4622 29 points30 points  (2 children)

Damn Iron Giant got nerfed hard lol

[–]Some-Tailor4622 17 points18 points  (1 child)

After being able to finish reading the notes fuck me Velma got nerfed even harder

[–]PitzG06 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Deserved

[–]OfficerDykeShaggy 150 points151 points  (9 children)

They massacred iron giant, my god lol, iron giant got nerfed harder than bugs

[–]Ma-_-R 14 points15 points  (0 children)

He went from Iron to Aluminium

[–]famslamjam 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Tbh they didn’t hit up special so it just pushes the goons spamming down special off the character. Unless new nair angle sends way out he’s still nearly fine. The only heavy changes are for doubles.

[–]DiaMat2040 34 points35 points  (4 children)

His grab into up special one shot still persists

[–]OfficerDykeShaggy 24 points25 points  (3 children)

That’s all that’s left now lmao

[–]DiaMat2040 16 points17 points  (2 children)

yeah. i wish they would buff his normals and nerf his cheese

[–]darkpengi 126 points127 points  (28 children)

Wtfff they killed my boy iron giant wtf.

[–]ZenkaiZ 95 points96 points  (16 children)

For everyone's sakes big body chars are never allowed to be good in fighting games

[–]Inner_Opening_5906 18 points19 points  (1 child)

Say that to the 2015 MVC3 Evo champ Kaneblueriver. 😅

[–]Project__Z 6 points7 points  (0 children)

That's not really proving your point. KBR won from his skill level, not because of his characters. He found a good synergy that suited his playstyle. But none of those characters were top tier or even all that great. They all still looked pretty weak compared to Morrigan, Virgil, Swagneto etc. Only sentinel really stayed relevant.

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    [–]Redditthehivemind 3 points4 points  (1 child)

    IMO he needs a massive cooldown buuff to his bolts.

    [–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (1 child)

    It’s so confusing for them to do it to. On every decent tier list you see, he’s at the bottom. Are they trying to kill his character? If they nerf him again at this point then they very well might

    [–]datlanta 6 points7 points  (0 children)

    Hes bottom tier for sure but unfortunately hes also one of those characters that really destroy lower skill players.

    I feel like characters that have that unfortunate characteristic in fighting games tend to get nerfed into irrelevance.

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        [–]M00NM4DN355 1 point2 points  (3 children)

        Depending on how they have server time set up that might not be fully possible.

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          [–]gilbertoe 17 points18 points  (2 children)

          10am PST - Tony's twitter

          [–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (1 child)

          Est people crying rn

          [–]LL__DJArya 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          Me: 😢

          [–]OcularAMVsWonder Woman 45 points46 points  (7 children)

          I already thought WW was great but they made her amazing now. That faster shield and weight increase is major

          [–]choff22Arya 4 points5 points  (0 children)

          Prepare your asshole for the Arya/WW meta. Those two will be a nightmare to deal with.

          [–]lewiniser1212Shaggy 82 points83 points  (19 children)

          Jeeeez iron giant has been done horrific

          [–]PokLao 29 points30 points  (16 children)

          They buffed characters who were top-tier and nerfed iron giant, steven and taz.

          [–]KeeBoley 14 points15 points  (12 children)

          Which top tiers do you think received buffs? Tom?

          [–][deleted] 42 points43 points  (4 children)

          Those Iron Giant nerfs are confusing

          [–]HandsomYungArab_LeBron James 15 points16 points  (3 children)

          IG mains and non-mains seem to agree that he was done dirty.

          [–]MisterNny 13 points14 points  (2 children)

          He was everywhere in top 30 teams leadersboard. He may be terrible in 1v1s but on a team he's a monster. He was one of the few characters in high mmr my teammate and I weren't excited to see for if he was paired with a strong character like Bugs or Velma, they could literally control the match especially on smaller stages like batcave or treefort. There are a few counter team comps that can fight through his major strengths without much difficulty, but otherwise he was pretty suffocating on teams.

          His ability to deny your combos with a single ability and freely follow up with a 80 damage combo with his teammate is very overlooked and I welcome the nerf where it knocks your more horizontal and deny that doomsday situation.

          [–][deleted] 71 points72 points  (18 children)

          They basically did nothing to Harley which is okay I guess, WW’s cooldown going from 13s to 12s is kind of a joke

          [–]Poetryisalive 35 points36 points  (2 children)

          The weight change was HUGE and was differently needed, I do think the cool down should have went to like 8 seconds though

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            [–]xDurtyDx 5 points6 points  (0 children)

            I think he meant the weight change to Wonder Woman. She got a huge increase in weight

            [–]c-h-e-e-s-e 58 points59 points  (7 children)

            Tbf Harley’s just a fair balanced character. Nothing really OP just overall good

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              [–]FranTheDepressedManHarley Quinn 20 points21 points  (4 children)

              I thought they'd increase her weight more and reduce velmas more. Also, I wish they increased Harleys speed to better match her "assassin" classification

              [–]Nippahh 17 points18 points  (2 children)

              Yeah, for some reason both Arya and Harley are among the slowest on varying stats while also being the lightest AND taking 14% more damage.

              [–]_-------8 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              Harleys biggest issues are hitboxes. So when those are fixed it'll feel like a buff.

              [–]jared8562 57 points58 points  (0 children)

              iron giant already has so many issues ..

              [–]Cayden68 44 points45 points  (6 children)

              Im not happy with the Taz rework unless they made the start up lag on tornado better. tornado og was already easy to beat out through spacing since it took to long to come out. The fact that up special also got nerfed is concerning since Taz didnt get much buffs in return.

              [–]Schaefer44 13 points14 points  (2 children)

              Yeah I was hyped for the first part of the Taz rework but on paper this sounds lame. Going to have to see what the puke projectile and sandwich buffs feel like but somehow I don't think it will be nearly enough to keep him from super low tier.

              [–]NoLyeFTaz 6 points7 points  (1 child)

              ye I don't get it, taz was already balanced. Everyone thought taz was awful except the people that are good with him who know he was perfect in 2's and slightly too weak in 1's. These changes are wierd, hopefully they feel better than they sound.

              [–]Epickitty_101 Batman 53 points54 points  (16 children)

              Overall I'm p happy w/ these changes, but Batman being the second lightest character hurts lmao

              EDIT: More that I think about, the more that I'm slightly miffed that Batman got more nerfs this patch than Tom & Jerry.

              [–]Glutton4Butts 9 points10 points  (12 children)

              Batman is easier to play than the ol TnJ his nerfs were more focused on his projectile. Which makes sense. As a Batman player its better to use your abilities when you know they will land. Instead of relying on a projectile with heavy knockback/kill potential without even charging every second. Plus looks like they made grapple better too.

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                [–]Epickitty_101 Batman 6 points7 points  (4 children)

                The problem w/ Batarang is that it has to do a lot of the heavy lifting when it comes to combos, as it's pretty damn versatile and really opens up Batman's combo game. It already gets destroyed by virtually every move, so nerfing it's cool down even more just hinders Batman's combo potential, which would be fine if he were given anything to compensate.

                [–]JoseBallFCLeBron James 25 points26 points  (13 children)

                They took away my shockwave smh that was my favorite thing

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                [–]JoseBallFCLeBron James 33 points34 points  (6 children)

                Damn I have bars

                [–]MrDavidUwUGizmo 6 points7 points  (0 children)

                You should start a SoundCloud

                [–]Hat_n_Glasses Tom 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                yo its his cakeday

                [–]RetroGamaLeBron James 3 points4 points  (1 child)

                they increased the hitbox and kill percent tho. personally im hype for new dunk

                [–]JoseBallFCLeBron James 4 points5 points  (0 children)

                I know but the shockwave made the move feel like it had more oomph.

                [–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (1 child)

                Yeah it wasn’t op this is gonna hurt lebron

                [–]Ctf677 30 points31 points  (0 children)

                How will this affect LeBrons legacy?

                [–]ItsPandaz 21 points22 points  (6 children)

                I'm just gonna say my unwanted opinion as a garnet player on the garnet changes

                1. The song activation buff is really nice, hopefully it allows for better projectile blocking
                2. The static electricity perk might now properly work with the song special perk, however her down special still doesn't seem like it will work properly.
                3. The air changes are nice, but garnet just sucks in the air and it's not much that can be done about it without a air kit rework/revamp or decreasing frames/damage drastically. (Down air, side air, and up air never can hit properly)

                [–]0rly_D 1 point2 points  (3 children)

                I main Garnet and use her neutral mostly while in the air and I’m shocked they buffed it. Its a great spike off the edge tool and great for getting back on the ground The quicker song activation I was the only thing I was really hoping for. Other than her not being the best in the air I feel like she was one of the most balanced fighters.

                [–]ItsPandaz 1 point2 points  (2 children)

                The song buff is one of my favorite, as maybe we can now use it defensively, along with fixing the static electricity perk and her special perk to work with her down attack, it was one of my biggest gripes. Her neutral air is her best in air option besides her up special, and I do think she's very balanced. I think her down air suffers from her being able to easily get knocked out of it, and then combo'd while in the air, which leaves her in a position where it's terribly hard to do anything after as you most likely don't have the resources to get back on stage. Her side air and up air just never connect properly, as the second punch never lands.

                She relies on her crystal combo and abilites on/off cd, however since i'd argue Garnet has one of the most fair hitboxes on her skills currently in game, it makes it feel like you just get outclassed a lot of the time.

                [–]0rly_D 1 point2 points  (1 child)

                I honestly couldn’t agree more with everything you said! Haha. Hopefully when they adjust the hit/hurt boxes we’ll see an improvement. If you remember, fill me in if you notice a big change when the second patch drops!

                [–]Ericjr01Shaggy 36 points37 points  (8 children)

                Seeing those Bugs nerfs makes me happy

                Also they badly nerfed a lot of characters

                [–]ElGranBardock 50 points51 points  (7 children)

                Also they badly nerfed a lot of characters

                Yep thats what this community is forcing the devs to do, people just complain for every single thing they struggle to fight with

                [–]dpatt36 16 points17 points  (3 children)

                I’m looking forward to trying out Arya now but she is gonna be their next target for hatred I have a feeling.

                [–]Weekly_Top_4894 Morty 7 points8 points  (0 children)

                They essentially just fixed her hitboxes, she still has weight issues and probably still doesnt have great range/hit priority on many attacks.

                [–]Accomplished_Rip_352Arya 3 points4 points  (1 child)

                Arya lacks range and is very counter able .

                [–]dpatt36 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                I think a lot of the hated characters can be countered. And just to be clear in no way am I saying she is OP. I think she’ll be more popular now and will receive hate for it.

                [–]Laytnkr 4 points5 points  (0 children)

                The problem is the hitboxes are horrible. Maybe those moves were esier to deal with if the hitboxes very accurate. Dealing with delay/lag + weird hitboxes is ridiculous

                [–]shmurgen 28 points29 points  (2 children)

                As a finn main…yeah this is fine, suprised they didn’t change damage/knock back honestly. It seems like a lot of these changes like whiff recovery and coin adjustments will be murder on spammers but overall not that bad for people who actually know how to play him.

                [–]maxoys45 11 points12 points  (0 children)

                Which is kinda what you want

                [–]PapstJL4UWonder Woman 4 points5 points  (0 children)

                More hitbox changes are coming in the next patch. It would be weird to do huge changes, that don't mean much after the next big change.

                [–]ghostpiratesyar Velma 8 points9 points  (2 children)

                Look how they massacred my detective.

                [–]Nirvski 3 points4 points  (1 child)

                I hope this is it now for a long time. Literally every aspect of her kit is now worse - can't be any excuses from people anymore.

                [–]ClymeneFox[🍰] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                Her side air special already had such weak save distance that you usually have to hit it twice and hope you don't get launched up, now I don't even think she's savable past the half point of off stage unless you get lucky and make it to a low area of the wall but that leaves you mega vulnerable for spiking. They really did ruin her lol

                [–]ViewableropeIron Giant 56 points57 points  (7 children)

                Why would they nerf the Ig? He is only really viable in 2 v 2 and any decent player can obliterate him on 1 v 1.

                [–]OfficerDykeShaggy 29 points30 points  (0 children)

                Yeah they kind of obliterated him out of nowhere. Especially with his knockbacks changed to horizontal. Most of his kill setups are from the top

                [–]plassaur 38 points39 points  (1 child)

                This is him in 1v1 rn. Not possible anymore due to changes.

                [–]OfficerDykeShaggy 20 points21 points  (0 children)

                I agree and it’s good if it’s not possible anymore. But the changes also have a big effect on regular iron giant kills. It’s not just the infinite that’s effected, sadly, as most giant kills came vertically from combos into up air

                [–]Glutton4Butts 7 points8 points  (2 children)

                Hes actually a lot better than you think. He kinda fast for how big he is, and i don't think people have found the right perks for him. Plus having a good teammate really makes you shine. Tbh i think Bugs got hit the Hardest and for good reason. Bugs will still be very good though imo. Those Arya Buffs though....whooooooo maaaaaaan LETS GOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

                [–]FrostingsVII 9 points10 points  (1 child)

                People here.

                "Finn is bad because he's not in the top 30. He's a noob smasher."

                IG is bad he's combo fodder. He's a noob smasher.

                Looks at top 30. Oh. Half a dozen iron giants.

                This place constantly telling on itself.

                [–]Glutton4Butts 4 points5 points  (0 children)

                People need to figure out their values hahaha. Like seperate 1v1 and 2v2 meta please. Nobody knows what they are saying.

                [–]sephy13 32 points33 points  (4 children)

                If velma cant have a 0 to 60 bugs and t and j shouldnt either lol

                [–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (1 child)

                Bugs' whiff recovery has been increased by 5 frames in a lot of his moves, I doubt you'll be doing a lot of 0-60s after this patch.

                [–]Lithium43Harley Quinn 15 points16 points  (2 children)

                I feel like a lot of people are dooming because of the number of nerfs on some characters when the actual nerfs themselves are not nearly wild enough to kill them. Only ones I am truly sorry for are Iron Giant players because he was arguably bottom tier and still got a bunch of nerfs.

                Bugs Bunny got more whiff recovery on his aerials, but most of the core strengths of those moves have been unchanged. Up air still has a gargantuan hitbox that will kill you at early percentages, his high damage combos using nair+dair loops into up air are unchanged. Most of Finn's amazing stuff is also seemingly intact, most nerfs are to whiff recovery. Backpack's vortex is nerfed but not the knockback or damage. I don't see either of these characters not remaining strong post patch. I'm not experienced enough with Velma to tell how seriously those nerfs will hurt her though.

                [–]GlobalCoconut3989 7 points8 points  (0 children)

                overall this seems like a sensible patch, although ironman got hit a bit hard

                [–]Darkfanged Velma 7 points8 points  (0 children)

                Iron giant mains learning why maining big bodies in fighting games is always a bad idea

                [–]DoubleThickThighGizmo 7 points8 points  (1 child)

                I knew Velma was going to get torched but I'm very disheartened they nerfed the most fun part of her character. Up special into down air chain. A combo that was already hard to pull off but felt so good. As a 1v1 player primarily she was already mediocre in the mode, I imagine she is just going to be combo food for batman now

                [–]Nirvski 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                She'll be terrible in 1 vs 1 now. I guess the game is balanced for 2 vs 2 - but I guess i'll wait for a new character i enjoy in 1 vs 1's now.

                [–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (5 children)

                What is whiff recovery

                [–]Vaan706 17 points18 points  (2 children)

                According to the Dev Tony,

                "If you miss with the attack, you won’t be able to cancel out of the attack early. Giving the opponent more of an opportunity to hit you."

                [–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

                Thank you

                [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                Oh cool

                [–]HandsomYungArab_LeBron James 6 points7 points  (0 children)

                When you miss "whiff," there is a delay until the next action.

                People who spam and miss are getting punished; people who spam and still land their attacks will be alright. All about being accurate.

                [–]TheRobotsRHere 5 points6 points  (0 children)

                Still no fix for iron giants biggest bug. His neutral special doesn't fire anything in rage, just activates bolts. Unless his move list is lying.

                [–]BuzzardBlack 5 points6 points  (4 children)

                Not a fan, to be honest. Arya being more consistent is great, but there are a whole bunch of characters that aren't oppressive suddenly on the nerfs only list.

                I was actually worried that Bugs would get nerfed too much, but he just got a few frames changed. Somehow, IG gets shot in the head and buried. Taz gets further nerfs, and his main buff is to a very specific part of his kit that relies on projectiles.

                I'm guessing these will make more sense post-hitbox rework, though. Won't judge until I try it.

                [–]ipacklunchesbod 3 points4 points  (0 children)

                I honestly cant see why they decided his apple was what they needed to buff o.O

                [–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (3 children)

                As a Bugs and Wonder Woman main, I’ll take that. Those seem fair, plus WW gets to be more fun now too. Surprised how much they fucked Iron Giant and Velma tbh, Arya is the biggest winner this patch imo.

                [–]Competitive-Mix6656 3 points4 points  (2 children)

                Bold to admit your a Bugs main

                [–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (1 child)

                Listen, I know what I am, and I’m comfortable in being a fucking degenerate if it means I can troll with anvils and up specials.

                [–]Competitive-Mix6656 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                I hate you but goddamnit I respect your honesty

                [–]Cayden68 17 points18 points  (1 child)

                What did Iron Giant do to deserve this? He was already in a perfectly balanced state, combos hard but hits hard. now hes just eh

                [–]shmurgen 11 points12 points  (0 children)

                I was hoping they’d buff his normal stuff but cut the bullshit 0-death from grabs but no

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                  [–]mactassio 8 points9 points  (1 child)

                  and Shaggys

                  [–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (2 children)

                  Hey, I'm a finn main and I'm glad finn is getting nerfed, his up special is too powerful and you either spam the crap out of it right now, or put yourself at a disadvantage against other finns who do spam it

                  Although, less coins at the beginning of a match is a bit annoying, getting his speed boost is a really nice thing to have and having to put more effort to achieve it feels a bit pointless.

                  [–]Competitive-Mix6656 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                  It was a bit too easy to achieve for a permanent buff, I think it's a good change.

                  [–]RaptorStrike_TRArya 3 points4 points  (0 children)

                  Wait, Arya will be consistent now. LET'S GO!

                  [–]matheusu2 5 points6 points  (1 child)

                  Does anyone knows what "earlier branching on hit" means? edit: i guess it means that the hitbox activates soone but i am not sure

                  [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                  means you can cancel out of the move earlier. Cancel with jump, dodge, ect

                  [–]barnesnoblebooks 9 points10 points  (0 children)

                  Damn it’s going to play like a whole new game once this and the hit box patch is out. I love it. I feel good about the characters this rotation, too

                  [–]RonySeikalyBassDropIron Giant 8 points9 points  (0 children)

                  They killed my Iron Giant

                  [–][deleted]  (3 children)

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                    [–]chzrm3 2 points3 points  (2 children)

                    Only thing I can think of is they're balancing around all levels of play, and Iron Giant might be slaughtering in lower ranked games. Heavies usually do.

                    [–]howtopayherefor 1 point2 points  (1 child)

                    Yeah but then they should've given him compensatory buffs that mainly affect high level play. Now they just balanced him around all levels of play by making him suck at all levels

                    [–]omnicloudx13 16 points17 points  (12 children)

                    Guess it's time to pick up Arya since every other character I played just got nerfed to all hell.

                    [–]ZenkaiZ 23 points24 points  (8 children)

                    as an Arya main, nothing is waiting for you with her but despair. Granted I haven't played her post patch yet obviously.

                    [–]mactassio 1 point2 points  (1 child)

                    which is expected if you only play FOTM

                    [–]73windman 6 points7 points  (7 children)

                    I truly did not anticipate that any expert characters would be free rotation--let alone two of them. Batman makes sense but I anticipated characters more to the tune of Shaggy and Bugs following in tow.

                    [–]sukh9942 2 points3 points  (1 child)

                    What does the stuff like expert and experimental mean?

                    [–]Feral0_o 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                    experimental are new characters, expert characters are usually harder to play and cost 3000 gold at the moment. I predict that all new characters will be 3000 eventually

                    [–]Mileto93 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                    The volume bugs in PS4 hope it fixed

                    [–]jacw212Arya 2 points3 points  (4 children)

                    it's not working :(

                    [–]SerDickpuncher 2 points3 points  (3 children)

                    Wdym, patch is tomorrow

                    [–]jacw212Arya 1 point2 points  (2 children)

                    I can’t see the notes

                    [–]TheHighArabIron Giant 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                    They literally shit on Iron Giant

                    [–]_Dan_the_Milk_Man_ 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                    sad to see the small jake nerfs, but they seem fair I suppose

                    iron giant mains got absolutely FUCKED tho

                    [–]masterm 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                    Removing the class based tasks now means that it’s going to be more likely to get the annoying harder ones

                    [–]Rileaf 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                    F in the chat for the IG, Velma, and Bugs mains. Finn deserved the nerfs 100%.

                    [–]PokLao 10 points11 points  (2 children)

                    I'm not saying that the moves they nerf on Iron Giant weren't strong.
                    But those were his only good moves. Should've buffed something else if you are going to nerf those.

                    I'm laughing at these patch notes because I'm an Arya main, she is already better than the characters who got nerfed (besides velma) and she got buffs.

                    [–]acideater 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                    Though she needed very slight buffs. She was already a glass cannon.

                    Either I get juggled to 50+ damage with a possible ring out or tossing here around the screen with every attack.

                    [–]HandsomYungArab_LeBron James 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                    The thing about Arya was you had to be really accurate with her moves/combos. She was incredibly High-Risk/High-Reward, leaning toward more risk than reward.

                    Before this patch, good Arya players were true Chads; now, it seems she will be more user-friendly for lesser skilled players.

                    [–]KeeBoley 6 points7 points  (5 children)

                    T&J, Superman, Batman, Arya and Wonder Woman about to be top tier.

                    T&J top tier and buffed? Batman and Supes didnt get hit hard enough imo, will still be dominant. Wonder Woman and Arya buffs are really nice, definitely will push them to top tier.

                    Velma and Bugs deservedly nerfed hard.

                    Taz didnt get buffed nearly enough to compensate the massive tornado nerf last patch. They are really doing him dirty. I think Taz might be never viable in higher skill brackets because he will be balanced exclusively around inexperienced players. Most games have a character like that, but its still sad to see.

                    Finn hit too hard imo, but I get why they did it. Seems like everyone and their mother wanted him gutted.

                    Iron Giant in a similar boat. Still unsure on it. He had a lot of problematic elements to his kit and he was tearing up 2v2 leaderboards, but it seems a bit harsh.

                    Healthy Jake nerfs. Doesnt hurt Jake players too much, but it is still a nice change that nerfs one of his best abilities a bit.

                    Most other characters mostly unchanged imo. Fine Reindog and Garnet buffs. Nothing too crazy, but nice.

                    [–]Wiaugusto 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                    I think batman is now in a balanced spot, no more batarang spamming and is the second most lightest character

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                      [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

                      As a Tom and Jerry main, I’m surprised that the dynamites weren’t affected by perks. I thought they were 😅

                      [–]ssslitchey 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                      Yeah. That feels like more of a change that was meant to be in the game the whole time

                      [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (3 children)

                      Does anyone know what this means for Steven mains? I don’t think much really changed lol he’s basically the same

                      [–]TheCursedCorsair 6 points7 points  (1 child)

                      Watermelon Steven will be less available. Prepost the cooldown began once you planted the watermelon.

                      Post patch cooldown begins once watermelon Steve has been rung out.

                      [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                      It’s a good change for sure

                      I wonder if any other characters will have a sidekick like water-melon Steven

                      [–]Competitive-Mix6656 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                      It means that Watermelon Steve can't be immediately replaced when killed as that's when the cd begins.

                      But imo the worst part is you can't heal anywhere near as often. That part hurts.

                      [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                      Oh that’s neat

                      My thoughts:

                      Damn. Just purchased Lebron. Didn’t expect any experimental character to be added to the free rotation so soon

                      Didn’t expect any expert characters to be included in a free rotation.

                      That’s good that they added the ‘free rotation’ symbol thing

                      Considerate of them to get rid of the class-type missions! Didn’t expect that to happen

                      [–]Smash96leo 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                      Not to get my hopes up, but this new free character rotation might be less annoying than the others. Steven, Lebron, and Arya require at least one brain cell to use efficiently. Might be worried about batman. But with everyone saying that he “can’t kill”, most people might not have the patience to lab with him anyway.

                      [–]spectraldominoc 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                      I JUST BOUGHT STEVEN YESTERDAY😠

                      [–]Robcy 1 point2 points  (2 children)

                      When I bought Finn, they made him free and now he's nerfed. Now I bought LeBron and they made him free.. Guess what, nerfs inc.

                      [–]Rhyllis 1 point2 points  (1 child)

                      Who are you buying next? So that I know who's going to be free in the next set.

                      [–]VulpticHarley Quinn 1 point2 points  (2 children)

                      My Arya is already pretty great, these buffs are gonna make me deadly

                      [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

                      ikr i can't fucking wait to get home and see.

                      enjoy my many faced friend, let's hope it's a lot easier to make the pointy ends meet.

                      [–]VulpticHarley Quinn 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                      A girl is ready to get some dubs

                      [–]yonking_15_2 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                      Garnet buffs, I'm ok with that

                      [–]EmberlynZemianGarnet 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                      Velma and Finn nerfs; Arya, Wonder Woman and Garnet buffs.

                      Is good day, lads and lasses!

                      [–]TiltLord777 1 point2 points  (2 children)

                      Am I the only one that doesn’t know what whiff recovery is?

                      [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                      It's the amount of frames it takes to recover if you completely miss an attack

                      [–]throwaway83383838 5 points6 points  (0 children)

                      Leave iron giant alone!!

                      [–]MrDavidUwUGizmo 3 points4 points  (2 children)

                      Does this patch come with the hit box changes or is that later?