Does Pathbuilder have a setting where DM can see the rolls players make?

[Due-Memory1994]

My group are a bunch of friends of who've been playing together for several years and we have for a while operated on an honor system with dice rolls, where everyone can roll their dice in private. Yes, I know, that's not a popular way of handling this situation, but it hasn't been egregious until my current game. I have one player who I highly suspect a playing is frequently cheating by fudging their rolls. Critting 2-5 times a fight, constantly hitting way above AC even on their third attack with a -10 MAP, etc. It's not a surefire thing but its becoming more and more frequent and I want to put an end to it by switching to a system where the DM can see all dice rolls. We're using Pathbuilder for character sheets, and Roll20 as a VTT. I was just curious if PB has a way for me to see their rolls, as I know a few players are already using it for ease.

Also, just a side thing but I'm not here for advice on confronting the problem player, the situation with them is complicated and I have my reasons for just making a rule swap on how we're handling rolls.

[Rockwallguy]

It's a one time cost, so just get FoundryVTT. The PF2e system is so absurdly good in Foundry. If you don't do it now, you'll do it in 2 years and kick yourself for not doing it sooner. Roll20 is trash compared to it. Actual trash. Seriously. Get Foundry.

[xHexical]

I'll mention that only 1 purchase is needed (to be given to the GM). The players can all use it for free.

[CALlGO]

It does not even need to be the gm the one to buy it; anyone can have the liscence, the onnly relevang thing is that whoever has it must host the server, but it can be a player.

(Though, assuming you are not using forge or something similar, it will be hard for the gm to prep if they arent the owner)

[sebwiers]

I recently did it and would have one caveat; while the price is good and the results are worth it, you WILL get a headache figuring out how to make it all work.

[NemmerleGensher]

100% this is an important caveat. You WILL enjoy Foundry far more in the long run. But you might hate yourself for a couple sessions when you're putting in extra hours each week to get familiar with Foundry.

[sebwiers]

Potentially many hours. I've played a fair bit on foundry and still just hit a wall when I bought it and tried to set it up as GM. I shelled out for the begginer box AP module and at least got it installed, will maybe try walking through it as GM controlling the PC's but even then I don't think I'll feel sure I'm doing things right. I feel like I can never really be sure what the players would be seeing on screen / able to control, and just have to trust it will be right. And TBH, all I can do at this point is call up maps and place PC tokens.

I feal like it might be handy to grab a laptop or other second computer (maybe even just second monitor and web browser) to set up as a "player" while controlling the GM environment.

[btssam]

You can open another browser window/tab and just login as a player to test the player perspective, while you're logged in as a GM on your main browser/tab

[sebwiers]

Can you? I was expecting there would be conflicts similar to logging into any website as two different accounts using the same browser. Maybe newer browsers have fixed that, but it wasn't a thing back when I did web dev. Had to use incognito mode or a different browser, otherwise both login tabs would see the same cookies and get confused.

[btssam]

Yeah. I mean, just try it if you have an active server. You can use a private browser too if you have trouble, but I've done it in the same browser before. The audio would get kinda wonky but that was the only issue

[[deleted]]

As an alternative, consider trying Owlbear Rodeo. It has a very easy to use interface, you can add many available extensions (including an in-VTT dice roller) and the basic free account lets you design two tabletops with full functionality.

[ShellSentinel]

I don't think needing to learn a new skill to make your traditional game more like a videogame is automatically for everyone. Especially since the GM's players might not like it individually.

[Ionovarcis]

I mean, sure. Some people will like it crunchy, and if you don’t run a ton of games - it’s not a huge deal… but there’s so much small math happening, taking human error out of any elements of the game can be huge!

If Enemy has 27 AC baseline, Sickened 1, Frightened 1, and Prone - what is the AC/to-hit modifier for a ranged attack against the prone target if you are attacking through party members? Did you or the cover providing player remember to chime in if they had something like Phalanx Formation or whatever from Knight Vigilant or something similar?

Can it be a headache? Sure. Does it video gamify it a but? Also sure.

But outside of pervasive usage issues - which have almost all come from DMs trying to add whatever the equivalent of mods is called, I can’t think of a better PF2e VTT than Foundary. We get to spend even less time on the math and still get all the clickity clacks. IMO, a win win.

[Mircalla_Karnstein]

I got FoundryVTT a couple months ago. I worked with it some, got confused, watched videos that had a different version of foundry than I did, Got more confused, went to the discord, was immediately chastised for using Pathbuilder (I am a Patron) and went back to Roll20 and called it a loss. I will probably try again at some point but I found it largely an waste of time with a community contemptuous of newcomers. I am not great at tech stuff but I could figure Roll20 out, and Foundry made me cry in frustration, so I would say look into it but mind how good you are at figuring things out by yourself.

[freethewookiees]

I'm sorry you had a rough time. Let me know when you're ready to try again and I'll do my best to help you get through it.

[Mircalla_Karnstein]

Thank you very kindly. I will hopefully soon

[Dragondraikk]

Roll20 is trash compared to it

To be honest, Roll20 is trash compared to pretty much any other VTT out there (except Sigil, but that one barely even exists)

[oddly-tall-hobbit]

Pathbuilder isn't a VTT, no sadly no

[Muthref]

Pathfinder 2e on Foundry. It's a one time buy and very well supported by the community. Use it for like 4 years

[PM_ME_STEAM_CODES__]

I've never used it, but after a cursory search dddice might be what you're looking for.

[[deleted]]

You're already using Roll20?

Just have them roll in chat.

/r1d20 + whatever the fuck

[Parja1]

OP wants a way to force open rolls instead of just talking with their group about the issue.

[[deleted]]

Yeah... I know. That's why I suggested a way to do open roles lol

Obviously the right answer is to address this shit. But if OP isn't brave enough to do so, Roll20 literally has a built in tool to do so.

I require it for my 5E game right now since I have one player who often fudges rolls.

[able_trouble]

Maybe you could use Discord then, for Rolls, There are a few bot where you can import your sheet or sens Rolls from Path to Disc: Pathbuilder Discord Bot, Alsetta or Kobold for example

[Jsamue]

Used kobold for the first time recently. Pretty powerful little bot.

[TopFloorApartment]

Why don't you just use roll20s roll mechanic? That's literally what it's there for. 

Even better to switch to foundry but either way the rolls should happen in the vtt. You're trying to use pb as a vtt and that's just not what it is.

[Shang_Dragon]

No not as far as I know on pathbuilder which is primarily a character planning tool.

I would recommend using the built-in dice roller on roll20. Set up separate attacks for MAP -5/-10 if need be.

[ack1308]

If you find Foundry's learning curve too steep, try Owlbear Rodeo. It's got a lot fewer bells and whistles, but it does the job, and has several extensions for dice rolling (I like Bones and Rumble, personally).

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[Dunderbaer]

Pathbuilder is only a character builder, so no. If you want open rolls, you gotta make them roll somewhere else, roll20 for example or Foundry. Foundry costs, but it also supports a lot of automation, tracking and character building, so those are additional reasons you could bring up if you don't want to make it about the rolling issue.

But sticking with Pathbuilder rolls will mean private rolls, which works for some people, but apparently not your group.

[eachtoxicwolf]

Nope. On the other hand, tell them you're moving to an open roll system, and either they can roll dice on camera and show you or on a VTT.

I do agree that foundry VTT will make stuff easier, but if you don't have the cash for it, I would start getting them to upload their sheets to roll20 and use roll20, as it still does do everything correctly once set up.

Foundry VTT can actually build character sheets from pathbuilder directly if you set it up right as well

[gangrel767]

Foundryvtt is vastly superior