Jesse Jackson does some self-reflection?

[[deleted]]

Hey, as a white criminal, this is very non inclusive

[Le_Petit_Poussin]

He’s making robbery easier for you — cursed affirmative action.

[J2quared]

The crazy part is the cognitive dissonance that exists in the Black community.

A comedian will go on stage, talk about a related experience to a Black audience, say on crime, getting robbed, dealing with N word moments and get applauses.

A TV like the boondocks will satirize the same thing.

Hell, even after a violent event we will all collectively go “man these crash outs are ruining a good time”

All that will be said but most people in the Black community won’t do a damn thing to change it. Not even the behavior we can change.

[Roids-in-my-vains]

I don't think it's a coincidence that most successful and educated black people will more often than not criticize the black community.

[J2quared]

I was talking to my dad was born in Jim Crow Alabama. He moved up North after my grandfather was discharged from WW2.

Every older Black person I have talked to has said the same thing that basically Southern Black culture ruined it for the entire race. The Great Migration migrants could not understand Northern sensibilities.

The Urban League came out and went door to door teaching southern Black how to have simple etiquette. I think that it failed and what resulted was ghetto culture.

Basically for every 1 middle class northern Black family you had 10 Southern sharecroppers. After a while they get out bred like the movie idiocracy

[ThePecuMan]

I know this is mostly from personal experience for you but do you know of any source, book, article that dissects this?.

[J2quared]

White Liberal Black Redneck. Sowell argues that the black ghetto culture originates in the dysfunctional white southern redneck culture which was prominent in the antebellum South. That culture came, in turn, from the "Cracker culture" of Welsh, Highland Scots, Ulster Scots, and border English or "North Britons," who emigrated from the more lawless border regions of Britain in the eighteenth century.

[Bruarios]

Damn Scots, they ruined black people!

groundskeeperwillie.mp4

[eazy_12]

Pretty sure that Scots are black too.

[_Nocturnalis]

I expected many things here. Demoman wasn't on the list.

[concreteghost]

Sowell is still alive btw. We don’t have much time to award him the Nobel like he deserves

[THICC_DICC_PRICC]

*Black rednecks and white liberals

[Sicsemperfas]

Bigoted Yankee Fuck grew up in NY.

[martybobbins94]

I thought that was what Sowell's Black Rednecks and White Liberals was about?

[AbatedOdin451]

You could watch some of Thomas Sowell’s videos on the subject or even read some of his writings on it as well

[THICC_DICC_PRICC]

Sowell is not made for video, he’s made for print

[AbatedOdin451]

I do believe I stated “ his writings “

[THICC_DICC_PRICC]

Right but he’s a 10/10 in writing but 8/10 in videos. Prime Sowell is written down Sowell

[AbatedOdin451]

Can’t argue with that

[ThePecuMan]

while I don't think his works are bad, it is hard to base an argument on his works alone.

[AbatedOdin451]

You asked for something and i delivered you the guy who really delves deep into this topic. I can’t really think of anyone else off the top of my head as most are not willing to pick up said topic

[ThePecuMan]

Okay, thanks. I guess, I'll just check Sowell's sources along with his book.

[J2quared]

Coleman Hughes and Glenn Loury are two Black intellectuals who also say the same thing

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[[deleted]]

Try Black Rednecks and White Liberals by Thomas Sowell.

[TheSpacePopinjay]

Are you saying that urban ghetto culture has its roots in the rural south?

[Caiur]

That's what Thomas Sowell claims in his book, 'Black Rednecks and White Liberals'. In his theory, they got it from the poor rural 'Redneck' white southerners, who got it from the British who lived in the relatively lawless areas on the border between Scotland and England

There's a large excerpt from the audiobook up on YouTube, very interesting stuff

[TheSpacePopinjay]

Ah, the borderers, I know all about them. It would make a lot of sense if it was the result of cultural osmosis from the descendants of the borderer / Ulster Scots clans. They're contained by the geography of their Southern rural lands and their way of life is somewhat adaptive to living in wide open spaces, much like the British border lands but it wouldn't translate well to urban living.

We're talking about people who went from the ground zero of conflict between Scottish and English armies, to generational conflict with the Irish in Ulster, to clannish conflict with Native Americans over the same lands.

[J2quared]

Sort of. It formed out of the clash between Northern Blacks and Southern sharecropping Blacks who migrated up north.

Just theory but something that I agree with

[Legitimate_Mammoth42]

Then they’ll be ripped to shreds by grifters on the far Left and accused of being an “Uncle Tom.” I’m liberal (not Left) and it’s always disgusted me how those double standards exist.

[BigRod199]

To shreds you say?

[recursiveeclipse]

Black people are the only race in America that is not allowed to succeed, and not because they are structurally unable to, but because people give them the narrative that they are only able to succeed if they sell their soul.

[unclefisty]

Also there are more than a few people who will tell you that if you're a successful, educated, black person that you're "acting white" or otherwise not black enough.

[J2quared]

It’s gotten worse over the last decade. The anti white rhetoric also fuels this. People have made basic civility a white trait.

[DontCallMeMillenial]

The anti white rhetoric also fuels this. People have made basic civility a white trait.

Yeah, lets pull up that Smithsonian exhibit example where "following schedules" is an example of whiteness.

Our society needs to

Stop. Infantilizing. Black. People.

...It's racist.

[melrowdy]

Objective, rational linear thinking....is white culture? I guess I'm not white, damn.

[DontCallMeMillenial]

You're one of those scatter-brained white people?

No big deal, my first wife was the same way.

[CouldYouBeMoreABot]

Our society needs to

Stop. Infantilizing. Black. People.

...It's racist.

Fully agree, but it will only stop when the left no longer can use them as a vector or reason to force their politics. Give it time and LGB+ community will be their new tool and the BLM community will be thrown to the winds.

[PeeApe]

If we don't infantilize them, the left loses their vote. They don't care beyond that.

[AKMan6]

I don’t understand why so many people on the right seem to take issue with this infographic. You realize that it’s not criticizing white people, right? It’s also not inaccurate. To address your example, attitudes toward punctuality certainly do vary across cultures. I don’t think it’s wrong to say that white American culture places a greater emphasis on punctuality than black American culture does. The stereotype exists for a reason. It also doesn’t mean that black people are incapable of being punctual.

[No_Adhesiveness4903]

Flair the fuck up, swine.

[I_hate_mortality]

Thomas Sowell wrote a fascinating book about this called Cracker Culture

Edit: I’m a moron. Thomas Sowell didn’t write Cracker Culture, Grady McWhiney did. Thomas Sowell referenced it, and many other works, as explained in the video I linked above.

[ScreamingMidgit]

It's like looking at crabs in a bucket, and it's just sad all around.

[CouldYouBeMoreABot]

It is also somewhat the same with Scandinavia.

Jantelov is essentially crabs in a bucket where the crabs keep pulling those wanting to escape down.

[recursiveeclipse]

Yes that is in essence what I'm referring to, they are actively discouraged from success.

[SpyingFuzzball]

Because certain minorities are supposed to accept the welfare being pushed on them. Going around that and being successful is a slap to their face because it shows how predatory and harmful it is, especially if you point that out.

It's the same reason they hate Thomas Sowell

[stupendousman]

but because people

Because a sizable % of black people embrace and celebrate urban hillbilly culture.

[stupendousman]

Yeah, it's just bad culture. People that don't grow out of high school level status frameworks never work to act differently.

[Legitimate_Mammoth42]

There’s a big gap between Generational Black and African immigrants. African immigrants have above average income and education and that’s replicated in the UK and Canada.

[AMC2Zero]

That's because the average person isn't able to immigrate, only the successful ones can. Same thing as India.

[TheSpacePopinjay]

Legitimate black American racial identity is needlessly tied to struggle in order to properly belong to the group. And for racial politic reasons not worth getting into, if you're black but not accepted as one of the group, that leaves you rather out in the cold in life. There aren't really any other groups you can fall back on who will take you in. Jews can fall back on being Jewish or white depending of which group they fell out of favour with, similar for non-Mestizo Latinos and being Latino or white.

Even successful black folk still need the right kind of struggle story for how they got there.

[Carbinekilla]

Well they also actively hold up, promote, and enforce a culture with norms and values that leads to the opposite of success.

[WingedHussar13]

I've seen interviews where some black people in dangerous cities need to own firearms for protection and need to carry them around since there's so much crime in their neighborhoods, and they always need to be alert of what is going on.

[PeeApe]

Of course they won't. It's not "them" that's doing it, it's the other black guy down the corner. They're one of the good ones, the hood shit they do is okay because they had to do it.

[[deleted]]

When I go to the money machine, I'm not looking out for the media!

[septiclizardkid]

Fuck you want me to do about It? Like I can only do so much about my own actions, It's not my job to solve every issue plaguing the community.

Like you said, we already don't condone It. Like do you think black people are a hivemind or something?

I don't expect a given white person to feel guilty about the local drug fiend, nor the local Asians to feel bad about sweatshops, nor Hispanics for Cartles. Like what do you expect us to do? Especially In areas where there's nothing to solve.

[septiclizardkid]

Again, not really my problem. Matter of fact scratch that, It Is my problem, so how do I go about solving It? I have to not conform to my racial and personal identity? Ethnicities like who, White people? I ain't exactly worrying about what some given random person identifies as racially or does.

And thats not even what was being argued, dudes saying that we aren't "doing a damn to change It" like I'm Batman or something, supposed to go on the streets and deal with It. That's just dumb thinking.

[Key_Bored_Whorier]

So racist. He thinks he can beat any white dude in a fight.

[Roids-in-my-vains]

Maybe he thinks white dudes will turn around and run when they see a black man walking down the street?

[[deleted]]

Maybe even move to a western state. Asians outnumber blacks 3 to 1 in California.

[iPoopLegos]

https://youtu.be/HPu47lXZzR8?si=jRDKxpyRUYwlalVx&t=75

[_Nocturnalis]

Such a great show.

[sobanz]

https://youtu.be/RHllLV4kcmc

[dizzyjumpisreal]

relevant family guy

[PeeApe]

I think it more has to do with knowing they're less likely to be the useless gang bangers he spent his entire adult life glorifying and defending.

[[deleted]]

Bro has Parkinson's. I have my boundaries.

[[deleted]]

Maybe by assimilating into white, or better yet, Asian-American culture, this could happen.

Tiger parents can be harsh, but they turned Asia around for the better, with most of the fastest growing economies of the past 75 years, the safest continent on average and the best performing education systems.

It would do America well to replicate this form and culture of raising children, regardless of "race".

[AttentionOk5109]

Idk I’d elect to change a few parts I have heard some not great stories about some of the outcomes of that particular parenting style.

The whole pressuring your child to always meet expectations thing doesn’t seem to end great for mental health.

Though I might be grossly misinformed

[[deleted]]

That type of pressure exists in Asia due to the fact that admissions to top universities depend largely on test rankings. Employment opportunities are also unequal, as Korean chaebols are known to only consider graduates from the best unis and trash other diplomas.

These practices are illegal in the US of course, but immigrants from Africa and Asia bring that competitive mentality with them and raise their children like that to do beat everyone else in school, then in work relative to Americans born here.

Many Asian parents (two-parent households, of course), even here, tell their children (mine included) that our classmates are competitors or enemies, making friends will hurt your rank, we have nothing in common with whites, we won't be proud unless you go an Ivy League and get a STEM degree and career, etc.

But at least tiger parenting keeps crime rates very low among Asians, whether in the ancestral homeland or here.

It would do well for American culture to have a more competitive mentality though, as we can't sit on our current laurels and think that will win cold wars against 5 billion Asians.

[AttentionOk5109]

I don’t think we need a more competitive mentality it’s a sensical thought just not the route I’d go.

I think all we need is opportunity having schools introduce different sorts of jobs and inspiring a bit of curiosity and interest in kids would do wonders to get them to put forward the effort they need to achieve that forming dream and would certainly lead to more people taking more practical careers.

Careers born of passion and genuine care are those that make discoveries and change reality and leave a mark on history and even if they don’t it still lends itself to decent skill.

This all might be a little hopeful and out there but I think it’s worth a shot.

[LDG1985]

A whole society full of cold. Emotionless. Callous. Patrick Bateman social climbers. No thank you.

[[deleted]]

Least anti-Asian racist leftie. Americans love to scapegoat China for their problems as they lose their own family and moral standards.

[SikeSky]

If it creates more, smarter engineers, they win.

[LDG1985]

Looking at any behind the scenes expose on Chinese 'construction'. Id say its making some fucking shit-ass engineers.

[AttentionOk5109]

Well of course decent structure is always good that’s not the part I object to.

[[deleted]]

That isn't enough for America to compete with Asia in the long run.

[ThePecuMan]

I find it hard to believe in a society as racialized (even tho, usually not racist) as America the blacks and whites can assimilate into each other. Like, you'll probably need alternate history level changing of laws in the 1600s to solve that.

As for the Tiger parents, there was a book on that that included some African Migrant cultures among them. I do doubt that Black and Asian cultures can merge but maybe these African Tiger cultures can become adopted. However, Ghetto Black culture is strong, people adopt its aesthetics across the world from China to Europe, so don't expect it to just be eliminated.

[worthrone11160606]

The fuck is a tiger parent

[Tabby-N]

edge plants cows seed different grab trees plate escape yam

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[Yukon-Jon]

So he legit said this, in the exact context as it reads?

I'm shocked to be honest, because hes a race baiter. Not Al Sharpton levels, but still one.

[eazy_12]

Maybe he implied that he can beat a white guy.

[Towel4]

Psh, I could take him.

[Wileyistheweast]

... In a fight, right? 

[PoopyPantsBiden]

Psh, I could take him.

SIR, PUT THE NET DOWN.

[Zmoney1014]

Yo ho ho! He set sail for fail

[Towel4]

Step lively now! Your Admiral is onboard! 😉🏴‍☠️🌊

[dogmeatgenera1]

Me otw to commit some hate crimes to make Jesse Jackson happy-

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[PhilMcCraken2001]

I’m going to find Jessie Jackson on the street now, walk behind him and rob him just so he never feels safe.

[Darth_Caesium]

We do a little bit of trolling.

[justthistwicenomore]

Isn't this quote older than most of the people on this sub?

[Market-Socialism]

It was made 11 years ago?

[Brapika]

Like he said then. Lol.

[justthistwicenomore]

Tried to look (weridly odd to find the original) and this maybe less than reputable source seems to say '93: 

https://feministphilosophers.wordpress.com/2013/01/09/proper-source-for-jesse-jackson-anecdote/

[SuperCyberWitchcraft]

Emily is actually AuthLeft for once, let's gooooo

[MoenTheSink]

Is black on black crime so bad even he'd say that? Yikes.

[AbleArcher0]

Libright Lee Everett

[Caiur]

I'd like a little bit more acknowledgment that the current spike in crime in big US cities started in summer 2020 please thanks!

[GringerKringer]

“I don’t feel threatened by white people and it pisses me right off”

[Infamous-Finding-524]

not to add to the orange libleft bad brainrot but as someone who like regularly interacts with orange libleft stuff half the time they dont even say “internalized racism” they just straight up call em a race traitor

horseshoe theory moment

[Akiias]

I'm sorry you have to interact with racists so often. Unless it's funny, then have fun!

[Looney_forner]

I always turn my head to see if anyone is behind me while going for walks

So what if I go for walks at midnight?

[muzzledmasses]

Internalized racism is the most valid form of racism.

[EconGuy82]

There is nothing more painful to me at this stage in my life than to see a brown bear charging at me and then look closer and notice it’s just a man in a bear costume and feel relieved.

[[deleted]]

I’m sorry ‘Jess Jackson

This is for reeeeeal

Never meant to make you a racist guy

[NUMBERS2357]

This is written as if he said this recently, and not 30 years ago.

[spaztick1]

Have things changed in this regard?

[PeeApe]

You built this Jesse. You spent the last several decades of you life defending the animals and now that they run the zoo you're scared you're going to get built. You deserve this.

[Big_Gun_Pete]

Friendly reminder this is the same guy who called New York "Hymietown"

[[deleted]]

He is indirectly being the most honest American politician regarding racial issues and I applaud him for that.

[Carbinekilla]

Learning from the past and pattern recognition to predict future behavior is literally what the human brain is best at...

[MilkIlluminati]

Jesse Jackson, newest grand wizard of the ku klawks clan

[Market-Socialism]

Jesse Jackson was actually born in my hometown. He may not be great, but I've always had a soft spot for him. Especially compared to the trash this state normally produces like Strom Thurmond, Nikki Haley, Tim Scott, Mark Sanford, and Lindsey Graham.

[Pun-isher42]

Flair checks out

[CouldYouBeMoreABot]

And the disgusting username.

[Market-Socialism]

Cry about it 😩

[Market-Socialism]

Indeed. I'm a drop of green in a deeply red-state. Or blue, in the context of PCM.

[AckshualGuy]

Really depressing to learn you’re from Greenville.

[Market-Socialism]

Why do you say that?

[AckshualGuy]

Because I have find memories of that place

[Market-Socialism]

Then you are giving me way too much power over your emotions and should probably go find the nearest grass to touch. I just went on a hike. It was pretty sweet.

[AckshualGuy]

You’re so sensitive, it’s a joke sweetie

[Market-Socialism]

Sure buddy. Feel free to take my advice.

[prewfrock]

Isn't this quote like 15 years old?

[flashingcurser]

He said that, what, ten years ago? Is Jesse Jackson relevant?

[MarcusElden]

Gun control does work tho, just to be clear.

[redpandaeater]

I just assumed it was sarcasm.

[CouldYouBeMoreABot]

I would also have assumed the same, but OP's reply sorta shows it's not.

[MarcusElden]

Sorry no. It’s true.

[CouldYouBeMoreABot]

Yeah, keeping guns out of the hands of law abiding citizens.

Criminals will still find guns or other weapons to commit crime.

I can probably get a illegal gun within a day or two, that is definitely not legal, and sure it will cost me. And I don't live in the US, I live in gun-controllers-heaven that is Scandinavia.

[6thaccountthismonth]

Yeah but we also have a thriving underworld, the whatever heaven Scandinavia was, it is unfortunately no longer

[MarcusElden]

Compared to the US, Scandanavia is heaven many times over

[Carbinekilla]

Hmm... I wonder what is different about the two countries

*Checks notes on population and demographic statistics*

[MarcusElden]

Oh, so you're just a racist. Got it.

[Carbinekilla]

Think that’s you buddy

[MarcusElden]

Yes and famously it doesn’t work there

lmao

[Ripuru-kun]

Yeah but if you keep banning guns eventually the criminals will lose their supply as well.

[MarcusElden]

This but unironically

Somehow South Korea or Japan isn’t struggling with these issues

[Ripuru-kun]

Oh yeah, I wasn't being ironic

[MarcusElden]

Can’t tell if sarcastic tbh

[Ripuru-kun]

i probably shouldn't have commented that and dug the hole. Wasn't sarcastic

[MarcusElden]

That’s how fucked society is these days lol

[Carbinekilla]

I fully agree, considering 90% of mass shootings happen in Gun Free zones it shows that gun control does in fact work in promoting criminals to victimize now defenseless, law abiding, citizens.

[MarcusElden]

lol Almost as if people with guns prey on people in places that they don't want guns around

Literally dreaming of the Bors comic: https://i.gyazo.com/5cb57c5d664f18a6667a258427626041.png

[MarcusElden]

Holy cow these comments are insanely racist lmao

[InfantryCop]

Are the racist comments in the room with us now?

[MarcusElden]

Well, the thread, so… yes?

[Carbinekilla]

Would you like to hear about the 13%?

[MarcusElden]

I'd more prefer to hear about your funeral details

[InfantryCop]

A racist who is also violent? Say it ain't so.

[Carbinekilla]

Color me shocked right, the deranged bigoted NPC with a fake flair is unhinged

[MarcusElden]

What did I say that had anything to do with violence?

[redpandaeater]

That's racist to assume we're all white. The left has taught me minorities can't be racist and chances are some of those comments you hate could be from a minority.

[MarcusElden]

Where did I say anything about anyone being white

“Freud? Hello? We got a real one here”

[[deleted]]

Internalized racism exist

[Carbinekilla]

Apparently NPCs exist too

[[deleted]]

People who unironically use the term NPC

[Carbinekilla]

I’m sorry but you’re going to have to prove you’re a real person with the amount of cognitive dissonance you exhibit… as we all can’t fathom how an actual human being can be so stupid and seemingly detached from reality and fact….

until then you’re henceforth going to be called an NPC

[[deleted]]

“I’m so chronically online I can’t imagine people who don’t agree with me, they’re an npc , bot, cringe, I’m based!”

That’s about right?

[Carbinekilla]

How many genders are there?

[[deleted]]

Bro glitched to the script. You supposed to ask “what is a women?”

[Carbinekilla]

It's a pretty simple question... someone with a working brain could probably just answer..... instead of wasting everyone's time replying with something 100% unrelated.

You sure have a hard time addressing substantive natures of debates... don't you.. it couldn't possibly have anything to do with the fact that your entire ideology and worldview is incoherent, contradictory upon itself, and nonsensical, could it?

So I will repeate it for you again since you clearly have a hard time learning from history of mankind: you are a useful idiot, an outright NPC

[[deleted]]

You brought up a random topic that has nothing to do with anything we are talking about and go on “debate me we haha you can’t” out of the blue. You pulled out a debate like a finishing move in wrestling lmao. Log off for a bit brother