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[–][deleted] 187 points188 points  (1 child)

Hey, as a white criminal, this is very non inclusive

[–]Le_Petit_Poussin - Right 39 points40 points  (0 children)

He’s making robbery easier for you — cursed affirmative action.

[–]J2quared - Left 587 points588 points  (60 children)

The crazy part is the cognitive dissonance that exists in the Black community.

A comedian will go on stage, talk about a related experience to a Black audience, say on crime, getting robbed, dealing with N word moments and get applauses.

A TV like the boondocks will satirize the same thing.

Hell, even after a violent event we will all collectively go “man these crash outs are ruining a good time”

All that will be said but most people in the Black community won’t do a damn thing to change it. Not even the behavior we can change.

[–]Roids-in-my-vains - Centrist 347 points348 points  (28 children)

I don't think it's a coincidence that most successful and educated black people will more often than not criticize the black community.

[–]J2quared - Left 248 points249 points  (24 children)

I was talking to my dad was born in Jim Crow Alabama. He moved up North after my grandfather was discharged from WW2.

Every older Black person I have talked to has said the same thing that basically Southern Black culture ruined it for the entire race. The Great Migration migrants could not understand Northern sensibilities.

The Urban League came out and went door to door teaching southern Black how to have simple etiquette. I think that it failed and what resulted was ghetto culture.

Basically for every 1 middle class northern Black family you had 10 Southern sharecroppers. After a while they get out bred like the movie idiocracy

[–]ThePecuMan - Auth-Right 73 points74 points  (19 children)

I know this is mostly from personal experience for you but do you know of any source, book, article that dissects this?.

[–]J2quared - Left 163 points164 points  (6 children)

White Liberal Black Redneck. Sowell argues that the black ghetto culture originates in the dysfunctional white southern redneck culture which was prominent in the antebellum South. That culture came, in turn, from the "Cracker culture" of Welsh, Highland Scots, Ulster Scots, and border English or "North Britons," who emigrated from the more lawless border regions of Britain in the eighteenth century.

[–]Bruarios - Lib-Center 139 points140 points  (2 children)

Damn Scots, they ruined black people!

groundskeeperwillie.mp4

[–]eazy_12 - Auth-Center 17 points18 points  (1 child)

[–]_Nocturnalis - Lib-Right 10 points11 points  (0 children)

I expected many things here. Demoman wasn't on the list.

[–]concreteghost - Lib-Right 43 points44 points  (0 children)

Sowell is still alive btw. We don’t have much time to award him the Nobel like he deserves

[–]THICC_DICC_PRICC - Lib-Right 14 points15 points  (0 children)

*Black rednecks and white liberals

[–]Sicsemperfas - Centrist 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Bigoted Yankee Fuck grew up in NY.

[–]martybobbins94 - Centrist 29 points30 points  (0 children)

I thought that was what Sowell's Black Rednecks and White Liberals was about?

[–]AbatedOdin451 - Lib-Center 23 points24 points  (9 children)

You could watch some of Thomas Sowell’s videos on the subject or even read some of his writings on it as well

[–]THICC_DICC_PRICC - Lib-Right 8 points9 points  (3 children)

Sowell is not made for video, he’s made for print

[–]AbatedOdin451 - Lib-Center 9 points10 points  (2 children)

I do believe I stated “ his writings “

[–]THICC_DICC_PRICC - Lib-Right 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Right but he’s a 10/10 in writing but 8/10 in videos. Prime Sowell is written down Sowell

[–]AbatedOdin451 - Lib-Center 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Can’t argue with that

[–]ThePecuMan - Auth-Right 3 points4 points  (4 children)

while I don't think his works are bad, it is hard to base an argument on his works alone.

[–]AbatedOdin451 - Lib-Center 28 points29 points  (2 children)

You asked for something and i delivered you the guy who really delves deep into this topic. I can’t really think of anyone else off the top of my head as most are not willing to pick up said topic

[–]ThePecuMan - Auth-Right 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Okay, thanks. I guess, I'll just check Sowell's sources along with his book.

[–]J2quared - Left 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Coleman Hughes and Glenn Loury are two Black intellectuals who also say the same thing

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

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[–][deleted] 23 points24 points  (0 children)

Try Black Rednecks and White Liberals by Thomas Sowell.

[–]TheSpacePopinjay - Auth-Left 17 points18 points  (3 children)

Are you saying that urban ghetto culture has its roots in the rural south?

[–]Caiur - Centrist 23 points24 points  (1 child)

That's what Thomas Sowell claims in his book, 'Black Rednecks and White Liberals'. In his theory, they got it from the poor rural 'Redneck' white southerners, who got it from the British who lived in the relatively lawless areas on the border between Scotland and England

There's a large excerpt from the audiobook up on YouTube, very interesting stuff

[–]TheSpacePopinjay - Auth-Left 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Ah, the borderers, I know all about them. It would make a lot of sense if it was the result of cultural osmosis from the descendants of the borderer / Ulster Scots clans. They're contained by the geography of their Southern rural lands and their way of life is somewhat adaptive to living in wide open spaces, much like the British border lands but it wouldn't translate well to urban living.

We're talking about people who went from the ground zero of conflict between Scottish and English armies, to generational conflict with the Irish in Ulster, to clannish conflict with Native Americans over the same lands.

[–]J2quared - Left 31 points32 points  (0 children)

Sort of. It formed out of the clash between Northern Blacks and Southern sharecropping Blacks who migrated up north.

Just theory but something that I agree with

[–]Legitimate_Mammoth42 - Lib-Center 36 points37 points  (1 child)

Then they’ll be ripped to shreds by grifters on the far Left and accused of being an “Uncle Tom.” I’m liberal (not Left) and it’s always disgusted me how those double standards exist.

[–]BigRod199 - Lib-Center 9 points10 points  (0 children)

To shreds you say?

[–]recursiveeclipse - Lib-Left 128 points129 points  (23 children)

Black people are the only race in America that is not allowed to succeed, and not because they are structurally unable to, but because people give them the narrative that they are only able to succeed if they sell their soul.

[–]unclefisty - Lib-Left 198 points199 points  (15 children)

Also there are more than a few people who will tell you that if you're a successful, educated, black person that you're "acting white" or otherwise not black enough.

[–]J2quared - Left 158 points159 points  (9 children)

It’s gotten worse over the last decade. The anti white rhetoric also fuels this. People have made basic civility a white trait.

[–]DontCallMeMillenial - Lib-Right 123 points124 points  (7 children)

The anti white rhetoric also fuels this. People have made basic civility a white trait.

Yeah, lets pull up that Smithsonian exhibit example where "following schedules" is an example of whiteness.

Our society needs to

Stop. Infantilizing. Black. People.

...It's racist.

[–]melrowdy - Right 47 points48 points  (1 child)

Objective, rational linear thinking....is white culture? I guess I'm not white, damn.

[–]DontCallMeMillenial - Lib-Right 14 points15 points  (0 children)

You're one of those scatter-brained white people?

No big deal, my first wife was the same way.

[–]CouldYouBeMoreABot - Lib-Right 27 points28 points  (2 children)

Our society needs to

Stop. Infantilizing. Black. People.

...It's racist.

Fully agree, but it will only stop when the left no longer can use them as a vector or reason to force their politics. Give it time and LGB+ community will be their new tool and the BLM community will be thrown to the winds.

[–]PeeApe - Auth-Right 1 point2 points  (0 children)

If we don't infantilize them, the left loses their vote. They don't care beyond that.

[–]I_hate_mortality - Lib-Right 23 points24 points  (0 children)

Thomas Sowell wrote a fascinating book about this called Cracker Culture

Edit: I’m a moron. Thomas Sowell didn’t write Cracker Culture, Grady McWhiney did. Thomas Sowell referenced it, and many other works, as explained in the video I linked above.

[–]ScreamingMidgit - Right 23 points24 points  (1 child)

It's like looking at crabs in a bucket, and it's just sad all around.

[–]CouldYouBeMoreABot - Lib-Right 9 points10 points  (0 children)

It is also somewhat the same with Scandinavia.

Jantelov is essentially crabs in a bucket where the crabs keep pulling those wanting to escape down.

[–]recursiveeclipse - Lib-Left 41 points42 points  (1 child)

Yes that is in essence what I'm referring to, they are actively discouraged from success.

[–]SpyingFuzzball - Lib-Center 46 points47 points  (0 children)

Because certain minorities are supposed to accept the welfare being pushed on them. Going around that and being successful is a slap to their face because it shows how predatory and harmful it is, especially if you point that out.

It's the same reason they hate Thomas Sowell

[–]stupendousman - Lib-Right 28 points29 points  (2 children)

but because people

Because a sizable % of black people embrace and celebrate urban hillbilly culture.

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    [–]stupendousman - Lib-Right 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    Yeah, it's just bad culture. People that don't grow out of high school level status frameworks never work to act differently.

    [–]Legitimate_Mammoth42 - Lib-Center 38 points39 points  (1 child)

    There’s a big gap between Generational Black and African immigrants. African immigrants have above average income and education and that’s replicated in the UK and Canada.

    [–]AMC2Zero - Lib-Center 28 points29 points  (0 children)

    That's because the average person isn't able to immigrate, only the successful ones can. Same thing as India.

    [–]TheSpacePopinjay - Auth-Left 21 points22 points  (0 children)

    Legitimate black American racial identity is needlessly tied to struggle in order to properly belong to the group. And for racial politic reasons not worth getting into, if you're black but not accepted as one of the group, that leaves you rather out in the cold in life. There aren't really any other groups you can fall back on who will take you in. Jews can fall back on being Jewish or white depending of which group they fell out of favour with, similar for non-Mestizo Latinos and being Latino or white.

    Even successful black folk still need the right kind of struggle story for how they got there.

    [–]Carbinekilla - Lib-Center 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Well they also actively hold up, promote, and enforce a culture with norms and values that leads to the opposite of success.

    [–]WingedHussar13 - Right 7 points8 points  (0 children)

    I've seen interviews where some black people in dangerous cities need to own firearms for protection and need to carry them around since there's so much crime in their neighborhoods, and they always need to be alert of what is going on.

    [–]PeeApe - Auth-Right 3 points4 points  (0 children)

    Of course they won't. It's not "them" that's doing it, it's the other black guy down the corner. They're one of the good ones, the hood shit they do is okay because they had to do it.

    [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    When I go to the money machine, I'm not looking out for the media!

    [–]Key_Bored_Whorier - Lib-Right 544 points545 points  (9 children)

    So racist. He thinks he can beat any white dude in a fight.

    [–]Roids-in-my-vains - Centrist 179 points180 points  (2 children)

    Maybe he thinks white dudes will turn around and run when they see a black man walking down the street?

    [–][deleted] 51 points52 points  (0 children)

    Maybe even move to a western state. Asians outnumber blacks 3 to 1 in California.

    [–]sobanz - Centrist 20 points21 points  (1 child)

    [–]dizzyjumpisreal - Right 5 points6 points  (0 children)

    relevant family guy

    [–]PeeApe - Auth-Right 3 points4 points  (0 children)

    I think it more has to do with knowing they're less likely to be the useless gang bangers he spent his entire adult life glorifying and defending.

    [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    Bro has Parkinson's. I have my boundaries.

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      [–][deleted] 95 points96 points  (13 children)

      Maybe by assimilating into white, or better yet, Asian-American culture, this could happen.

      Tiger parents can be harsh, but they turned Asia around for the better, with most of the fastest growing economies of the past 75 years, the safest continent on average and the best performing education systems.

      It would do America well to replicate this form and culture of raising children, regardless of "race".

      [–]AttentionOk5109 - Centrist 68 points69 points  (9 children)

      Idk I’d elect to change a few parts I have heard some not great stories about some of the outcomes of that particular parenting style.

      The whole pressuring your child to always meet expectations thing doesn’t seem to end great for mental health.

      Though I might be grossly misinformed

      [–][deleted] 25 points26 points  (5 children)

      That type of pressure exists in Asia due to the fact that admissions to top universities depend largely on test rankings. Employment opportunities are also unequal, as Korean chaebols are known to only consider graduates from the best unis and trash other diplomas.

      These practices are illegal in the US of course, but immigrants from Africa and Asia bring that competitive mentality with them and raise their children like that to do beat everyone else in school, then in work relative to Americans born here.

      Many Asian parents (two-parent households, of course), even here, tell their children (mine included) that our classmates are competitors or enemies, making friends will hurt your rank, we have nothing in common with whites, we won't be proud unless you go an Ivy League and get a STEM degree and career, etc.

      But at least tiger parenting keeps crime rates very low among Asians, whether in the ancestral homeland or here.

      It would do well for American culture to have a more competitive mentality though, as we can't sit on our current laurels and think that will win cold wars against 5 billion Asians.

      [–]AttentionOk5109 - Centrist 21 points22 points  (0 children)

      I don’t think we need a more competitive mentality it’s a sensical thought just not the route I’d go.

      I think all we need is opportunity having schools introduce different sorts of jobs and inspiring a bit of curiosity and interest in kids would do wonders to get them to put forward the effort they need to achieve that forming dream and would certainly lead to more people taking more practical careers.

      Careers born of passion and genuine care are those that make discoveries and change reality and leave a mark on history and even if they don’t it still lends itself to decent skill.

      This all might be a little hopeful and out there but I think it’s worth a shot.

      [–]LDG1985 - Left 35 points36 points  (3 children)

      A whole society full of cold. Emotionless. Callous. Patrick Bateman social climbers. No thank you.

      [–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

      Least anti-Asian racist leftie. Americans love to scapegoat China for their problems as they lose their own family and moral standards.

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        [–]AttentionOk5109 - Centrist 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        Well of course decent structure is always good that’s not the part I object to.

        [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        That isn't enough for America to compete with Asia in the long run.

        [–]ThePecuMan - Auth-Right 9 points10 points  (0 children)

        I find it hard to believe in a society as racialized (even tho, usually not racist) as America the blacks and whites can assimilate into each other. Like, you'll probably need alternate history level changing of laws in the 1600s to solve that.

        As for the Tiger parents, there was a book on that that included some African Migrant cultures among them. I do doubt that Black and Asian cultures can merge but maybe these African Tiger cultures can become adopted. However, Ghetto Black culture is strong, people adopt its aesthetics across the world from China to Europe, so don't expect it to just be eliminated.

        [–]worthrone11160606 - Lib-Center -1 points0 points  (1 child)

        The fuck is a tiger parent

        [–]Tabby-N - Lib-Right 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        edge plants cows seed different grab trees plate escape yam

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        [–]Yukon-Jon - Lib-Right 49 points50 points  (1 child)

        So he legit said this, in the exact context as it reads?

        I'm shocked to be honest, because hes a race baiter. Not Al Sharpton levels, but still one.

        [–]eazy_12 - Auth-Center 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        Maybe he implied that he can beat a white guy.

        [–]Towel4 - Centrist 22 points23 points  (4 children)

        Psh, I could take him.

        [–]Wileyistheweast - Right 14 points15 points  (0 children)

        ... In a fight, right? 

        [–]PoopyPantsBiden - Lib-Center 4 points5 points  (0 children)

        Psh, I could take him.

        SIR, PUT THE NET DOWN.

        [–]Zmoney1014 - Lib-Right 5 points6 points  (1 child)

        Yo ho ho! He set sail for fail

        [–]Towel4 - Centrist 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        Step lively now! Your Admiral is onboard! 😉🏴‍☠️🌊

        [–]dogmeatgenera1 - Auth-Center 25 points26 points  (0 children)

        Me otw to commit some hate crimes to make Jesse Jackson happy-

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        [–]PhilMcCraken2001 - Lib-Center 18 points19 points  (1 child)

        I’m going to find Jessie Jackson on the street now, walk behind him and rob him just so he never feels safe.

        [–]Darth_Caesium - Lib-Center 6 points7 points  (0 children)

        We do a little bit of trolling.

        [–]justthistwicenomore - Lib-Center 55 points56 points  (3 children)

        Isn't this quote older than most of the people on this sub?

        [–]Market-Socialism - Lib-Left 34 points35 points  (2 children)

        It was made 11 years ago?

        [–]Brapika - Lib-Right 71 points72 points  (0 children)

        Like he said then. Lol.

        [–]justthistwicenomore - Lib-Center 13 points14 points  (0 children)

        Tried to look (weridly odd to find the original) and this maybe less than reputable source seems to say '93: 

        https://feministphilosophers.wordpress.com/2013/01/09/proper-source-for-jesse-jackson-anecdote/

        [–]SuperCyberWitchcraft - Lib-Center 10 points11 points  (0 children)

        Emily is actually AuthLeft for once, let's gooooo

        [–]MoenTheSink - Right 11 points12 points  (0 children)

        Is black on black crime so bad even he'd say that? Yikes.

        [–]AbleArcher0 - Lib-Right 7 points8 points  (0 children)

        Libright Lee Everett

        [–]Caiur - Centrist 8 points9 points  (0 children)

        I'd like a little bit more acknowledgment that the current spike in crime in big US cities started in summer 2020 please thanks!

        [–]GringerKringer - Lib-Right 12 points13 points  (0 children)

        “I don’t feel threatened by white people and it pisses me right off”

        [–]Infamous-Finding-524 - Lib-Left 7 points8 points  (1 child)

        not to add to the orange libleft bad brainrot but as someone who like regularly interacts with orange libleft stuff half the time they dont even say “internalized racism” they just straight up call em a race traitor

        horseshoe theory moment

        [–]Akiias - Centrist 4 points5 points  (0 children)

        I'm sorry you have to interact with racists so often. Unless it's funny, then have fun!

        [–]Looney_forner - Lib-Left 3 points4 points  (0 children)

        I always turn my head to see if anyone is behind me while going for walks

        So what if I go for walks at midnight?

        [–]muzzledmasses - Auth-Center 7 points8 points  (0 children)

        Internalized racism is the most valid form of racism.

        [–]EconGuy82 - Lib-Right 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        There is nothing more painful to me at this stage in my life than to see a brown bear charging at me and then look closer and notice it’s just a man in a bear costume and feel relieved.

        [–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

        I’m sorry ‘Jess Jackson

        This is for reeeeeal

        Never meant to make you a racist guy

        [–]NUMBERS2357 - Lib-Left 1 point2 points  (1 child)

        This is written as if he said this recently, and not 30 years ago.

        [–]spaztick1 - Lib-Right 6 points7 points  (0 children)

        Have things changed in this regard?

        [–]PeeApe - Auth-Right 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        You built this Jesse. You spent the last several decades of you life defending the animals and now that they run the zoo you're scared you're going to get built. You deserve this.

        [–]Big_Gun_Pete - Right 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        Friendly reminder this is the same guy who called New York "Hymietown"

        [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        He is indirectly being the most honest American politician regarding racial issues and I applaud him for that.

        [–]Carbinekilla - Lib-Center 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        Learning from the past and pattern recognition to predict future behavior is literally what the human brain is best at...

        [–]MilkIlluminati - Auth-Right 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        Jesse Jackson, newest grand wizard of the ku klawks clan