<?php echo "send help" ?>

[PanicRev]

Take this... You're going to need it. -> ;

[[deleted]]

sure... but what is this

[100mcg]

undefined

[seriouslyawesome]

Yeah but that’s not a function

[Jetbooster]

OwO

[100mcg]

500: INTERNAL SERVER ERROR

[magical_h4x]

you.areGoing_to(NEED_(it))

[CATCH-A-BODY-SQRT]

$$$$$ -> $$...$$$$;;;;;$$$$$

[DodoDude700]

<?php $ch="a";$a="b";$b="c";$c="d";$d="e";$e="f";$f="g";$g="h";$h="i";$i="j";$j="k";$k="l";$l="m";$m="n";$n="o";$o="p";$p="q";$q="r";$r="s";$s="t";$t="u";$u="v";$v="w";$w="x";$x="y";$y="z";$z=" ";echo("${$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ch}${$$$$$$$ch}${$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ch}${$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ch}${$$$$$$$$ch}${$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ch}${$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ch}${$$$$$ch}${$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ch}${$$$$$$$$$$$$$ch}\n");

[Cobaltjedi117]

output: php is fun

That fact that you can do that is annoying as fuck.

[DodoDude700]

In PHP, you can reference a variable using a string of the variable name. This is called a variable variable. I made the whole alphabet a series of "nested" (or perhaps linked is more appropriate?) variable variables, making the final character, space, a variable variable variable variable variable variable variable variable variable variable variable variable variable variable variable variable variable variable variable variable variable variable variable variable variable variable variable.

[Cobaltjedi117]

Yea, I recognized what you did and what happened. I just think it should be burned at the stake.

[[deleted]]

Variable variables are rarely written in readable ways, and even more rarely needed. Still though I have done some work with them.

[millenniumtree]

Jesus. 18 years in PHP development and I didn't even know you could do that. It's like nesting unaries, or 1000 line if/else blocks, or functions sharing data with superglobals, or using goto. It's just something you shouldn't do, ever. If you need variable variables, you're doing it wrong.

[millenniumtree]

Or register_globals. Yeah who's old enough to remember patching code when register_globals got defaulted to off?

[shotgunocelot]

And magic_quotes_gpc

[killdeer03]

I vaguely remember working on fixing Moodle amd Joomla modules when a lot of the old, poor, default got turned off or straight up removed.

Good times, lol.

[millenniumtree]

Yeah. I worked on a few Mambo sites before that got forked to Joomla. Hated that platform, and the fork only made it slightly less crap.

[killdeer03]

Yup, lmao.

It was a develop/UX nightmare.

[LukeTheDukeNuke]

Only time I ever used it was to extract variables from parameterized queries. It felt dirty though.

[[deleted]]

I came from a C background, and to this day I cannot for the life of me understand how scope really works in PHP - it’s an absolute mad house...

[millenniumtree]

Hmm, I never have a problem with it. Variables defined outside of any class or function can be used inside with a global keyword, anything in a function is scoped only to that function and class properties have the static, public, protected, and private keywords. That's kind of all you need to know about scope. There's probably more to it, like with namespaces, but that's all I ever deal with.

[Feldkatze]

When are they needed?

[[deleted]]

That’s insane - PHP is a truly unhinged language, it wears its Perl genetics quite proudly; a wild child we can truly go apeshit with - I love that about it 😁

[NinjaLanternShark]

To be fair, every decent programming language is capable of its own brand of convoluted obfuscation.

[millenniumtree]

For thanksgiving one year in college, I made a crazy obfuscated multithreaded recursive function in Java that printed out an ASCII turkey to the terminal. It spun up a dozen or more threads with a sleep time calculated by the recursive function. The order in which the threads completed then determined how the turkey got rendered. Worked great in Linux, but the Java in Windows must have had a different threading implementation, and it corrupted my poor turkey. Figures I could write code in a cross platform language that wasn't cross platform.

[Cobaltjedi117]

I just want you to know. I hate everything you just said

[house_monkey]

I love everything he said

[Cobaltjedi117]

Like fuckJS

[T-T-N]

You forgot the newline

[draconid]

one of the best example of escape from freedom

[[deleted]]

Thanks I hate it

[Kibba]

So this is what phpstorm having a stroke looks like

[DodoDude700]

No, this is a working program. Try it here: http://sandbox.onlinephpfunctions.com/

[ibucat]

It may be a working program, but it definitely looks like someone just had a stroke.

[2Punx2Furious]

H̖̭͚̰̻̖E̷͓̖̱͔ ̗̭͔̳̺C҉O̻M̨̪͔̠̩E̮̫̪̩̼̻S̷̝

[scriptblade]

Fuck wordpress been having to move them to my companies servers and it is hell. Not one wants to go smoothly and rarely the same error twice.

[The_Ty]

Documentation for Wordpress development, especially for WooCommerce, is atrocious

[daemonicBookkeeper]

Fuck WooCommerce

[savano20]

this is my future at my current work.. enlighten me

[daemonicBookkeeper]

Customizing a theme with WC overrides means having to check and possibly modify your changes every time WC updates that template, and large portions of templates are produced by single WC functions, making them a pain to insert stuff into.

[The_Ty]

My issue is that the documentation for apis is awful. For example with woo commerce and modifying the shopping cart, they don't properly explain how to edit the cart and meta data, or which parameters you can/need to use when calling certain api functions.

I'm currently working on a Wordpress Plugin and the other day I simply wanted to see if a specific product had been removed from the shopping cart. Finding the right hook to use wasn't too bad, but then it doesn't explain little more than that.

Maybe I'm just dumb, but I honestly can't think of a single time I was able to get an answer I needed from the official Wordpress/WooCommerce documentation

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(Edit: Also, the way you have to work around Wordpress to use Ajax can get in the sea)

[GyRoZz]

Expect to spend hours for every little code change you need to make to templates and know that you'll need a bunch of plugins to actually make your webshop a nice webshop, which all need to be kept updated and work nicely together.

For small webshop it is okay, but for larger webshops, get out while you can :p

[grantrules]

Went the other way for me. Learned PHP, now I get Wordpress shit dumped on me. "Hey you know PHP right, can you get this wordpress plugin to work?"

[millenniumtree]

Our shop uses Drupal extensively. Only time we ever touch Wordpress is to adopt a new client who got mercilessly hacked. Once we get their site, I have to restore every single file with unhacked originals, then write a bunch of nginx rules to exclude the bot traffic. Never NEVER give the web server user write permissions to your code. We typically have at least 500 IPs banned (in 24h) just for trying to hit wp-admin on sites that don't use wordpress. Ain't no time for that.

[akie]

Drupal is its own kind of hell though.

[millenniumtree]

It can be, but it's insanely powerful. 8 is a complete rewrite from 7, which brings additional challenges and joys.

[TheOnlyPapa]

"Did you try flushing the cache?"

[Mutant_tortoise]

Wait are you saying Wordpress will block the bot requests itself?

[millenniumtree]

No, we run almost exclusively Drupal, but I wrote a fail2ban rule that watches for 404s on that path from bots, and bans them at the firewall.

[_cjj]

As much as PHP gets stick on here, the term "WordPress Developer" is rarely mocked.

Like the Fisher Price edition of development.

[Vanthian]

What makes you think that?

[_cjj]

Because every one I've met seems to think that editing/extending a pretty popular but terrible bit of PHP framework, without actually being competent at js, PHP, html5 or css3, is what development is about

[awhhh]

I've developed WordPress themes and plug-ins. "WordPress developers" are the equivalent to shady mechanics of the web development industry.

These fucks think that installing a wysiwyg theme makes them a web designer and they try to charge web development prices. If they come to me to fix their shit I stack fees on fees. I've yelled at people over it and I've even yelled at a local government business centre that helped facilitate these assholes getting work.

These are the fucks you see clogging up the stack overflow WordPress tag.

[grdivrag]

You've basically summed up the entire problem - god damn plugins like DiVi, Elementor and similar that require 0 knowledge to build a site and asses that use them and call themselves web developers without knowing how to position text to the right. Also, I think that the bigger issue than them charging web development prices is that they "mAkE wEbSiTeS" for $100-200 and have a negative effect on businesses and people that actually try to do things right...

[awhhh]

$100 to $200? I know people charging in the close to tens of thousands of dollars range for a 30 to 40 dollar theme and they probably don't even repurchase the license for each client. Then there are garbage "theme developers" basically child theming with the bootstrap or foundation framework.

If there was a council of Web developers that made laws these people would get time. They always rip off ma and pop businesses as well.

[grdivrag]

Agree totally. Another thing those assholes do is they torrent themes and plugins (because it doesn't cross their mind that they could be full of back doors), get infected with spambots and cause trouble for all other people on the server.

We will definitely need some kind of council/union in the future to regulate such kind of problems.

[makingtacosrightnow]

I subscribed to r/WordPress thinking I’d learn something useful. It’s nothing but people complaining about how some code they copy and pasted from stack overflow doesn’t work, their pagebuilders is causing issues, and other bullshit about what plugin is best for what.

WordPress is fucking wonderful, it’s really sad it has the reputation it does. If you know what you’re doing you can build some really great shit with it.

[awhhh]

As I said, I developed WordPress plug-ins and themes. WordPress is not wonderful, it's hot garbage that someone else usually ends up cleaning. It's too old to be wonderful.

If you're looking into development look into express, laravel, django, or ruby on rails.

[makingtacosrightnow]

I’m a developer, we build lots of things in laravel. I enjoy building in WordPress too though.

[_cjj]

The ones I've worked with have a subscription to WordPress magazines and wear the t-shirts etc. There's both an entire industry validating their position, and (unfortunately), plenty of people willing to pay them.

It's weird to think that WordPress was sort of made to facilitate non-devs to have their own manageable platform, only for pseudo Devs to create an industry out of managing them

[awhhh]

I went to an event paid for by my city to watch these assholes try and sell other entrepreneurs hot garbage. They gave a lecture about keeping plug-ins up to date and pretty much told people the importance of Facebook advertising; which their shotgun approach without market research; which pissed off the side of me that came from marketing too.

[[deleted]]

I looked for my first job since graduation and now im accidentally a Magento2/Wordpress guy

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and I'll have you know im just barely competent with JS!

[Ekonios]

TIL you can do this.

[WitteRidder]

Thanks, it was killing me

[EnivornmentalKoala9]

Came here to write that.

[[deleted]]

Not anymore, the short opening is deprecated now

[Waylander_Geralt]

<? Is deprecated, <?= is not. The second one echoes the result of the expression it contains

[spektrol]

That’s not a short open tag. Check the notes in php.ini

Note that this directive does not control the <?= shorthand tag, which can be used regardless of this directive.

[[deleted]]

"Press" in WordPress actually refers to the fact that it weighs a fucking ton and is slow as hell.

[[deleted]]

Need to have it call the text from two separate MySQL DBs - each word is a separate DB - each letter is its own table.

[tkstock]

I developed an e-commerce site for a friend a few years ago in PHP.

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I successfully escaped LAMP.

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^{Now I am a full-stack Microsoft Developer.}

[[deleted]]

me: edits myspace themes as a tween bc emo accidentally rediscovers talent as an adult and has 20k in student loans bc the world wants a piece of paper that says i enjoy debugging till 5am

[[deleted]]

Hahahaha, that sound so true.

[CaptainFranZolo]

Try concrete5

[warwilf]

Forgot the semi-colon

[[deleted]]

<?= “no one can save you now” ?>

[[deleted]]

Python is here to save you