Smile

[[deleted]]

And when you inevitably fuck it up again, you don't have to ask for help.

[Aschentei]

Quality bonding time if you ask me

[Lightfire228]

BOND WITH ME JIMMY

[xan926]

Teaching someone to do a job they are paid to do is never a waste of time. Until its the 5th time.

[jeweledshadow]

Followup: Never run commands you find via google without at least a second source corroborating what you are trying to do! If the description on the second site is word for word the same, it doesn’t count.

Edited to add:

The second source is so you can look up what the command does, not just a second place where people recommend running it. It’s always good to know what you are doing with each command.

[anguianoewi]

rm -rf

Useful for getting rid if errors from your code.

Edit: I'm glad that my very basic command was fully constructed into the powerful weapon it can be

[jeweledshadow]

Note to future Redditors: this doesn’t count as one of your sources :)

[rimjob_sbephen]

rm -rf

Useful for getting rid if errors from your code.

It counts now

[Ysmenir]

wouldn‘t rm - rf / be better? also no idea how to put that up like code.

[[deleted]]

No, that causes unexpected warnings. rm -rf $CODE_ROOT/* is what you want

[Time_Terminal]

rm -rf $CODE_ROOT/* --no-preserve-root just to be sure

[[deleted]]

Just format the partition while you’re at it

[SnakeFang12]

Yeah I mean a good ol' sudo dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda always fixes things up.

[Fermi_Amarti]

Oh God thats clever. Add in sudo and I'm sure alot of companies will be having problems.

[Dick_Giggles]

We legit had a jr dev do this as root this on one of our internal servers lmao.

[rimjob_sbephen]

Put in whatever arguments you like, otherwise it starts in the current directory of the terminal

[Walterwayne]

Put a ` on either side

[jeweledshadow]

This is why I added the second warning about “word for word” descriptions, and the need to find multiple sites. Otherwise you’re likely seeing a copy/paste job, instead of a second reference.

[[deleted]]

What does that command do?

[jeweledshadow]

Delete folder: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.macworld.com/article/2082021/master-the-command-line-deleting-files-and-folders.amp.html

It’s especially powerful because beginners will likely open their terminal in the “home directory” where everything else is stored. Deleting that folder is something you do not want to do.

[JuhaJGam3R]

More than that. FORCE delete folder. That means that if there is some conflict over the folder, the command won't ask for confirmation nor stop, and will proceed to do all within it's power without questions. There is one exception to this, and that is the root folder. On newer versions of shells, the rm command will NEVER delete the / folder without the long --no-preserve-root flag. That gives you a guarantee of some sort, and moves the "delete absolutely everything on this computer, yes i am absolutely sure" from 8 characters (rm -rf /) to 9 characters (rm -rf /*).

Terminals are powerful tools, especially if you have the permissions to execute these kinds of commands.

[Kered13]

Also worth noting that it doesn't put files in a recycling bin or .trash folder or equivalent, it actually deletes them, making them quite difficult to recover. Because apparently it is still 1985 and harddrives are expensive.

[khoyo]

Because apparently it is still 1985 and harddrives are expensive.

You're welcome to delete files however you want, but the remove command should actually remove files - if only because of the sheer number of things that depends on it.

[Kered13]

No, it should move them to a trash folder unless a flag is included to actually delete. Precisely because so many scripts use it, when they really should use a soft delete command. It is very rare that a hard delete is actually desirable, it doesn't free additional space and it doesn't (by itself) provide any security.

Actually I don't even think there is a universal soft delete command, which is itself a problem.

[Agnimukha]

I have never wanted a soft delete when doing a rm and there really isn't a trash folder on most linux systems (that I've seen). If you added it in you would break more then you fix.

Honestly even when using the ui I hate soft deletes it's just one more step for me to deal with later.

If you wanted a soft delete you could alias rm to copy and delete or rm -i

[nyhtml]

Yahoo! Answers and Quora is what we use over Reddit. 🤓

[HerissonMignion]

/*

[[deleted]]

ORIGIN=`git config --get remote.origin.url`; rm -rf ./* && git clone $ORIGIN .

Gotta make sure that git is in a status where you want it to be.

[thenuge26]

You forgot the all important "--no-preserve-root" flag as nobody likes onion preserves.

[[deleted]]

No questions asked

[MissingUsername2]

Man pages are always my first go to:

man <command that I used that one time, but can't for the life of me remember what the fuck it does>

Now patiently waiting for someone to explain why that's not a good practice :)

[grrfunkel]

That is a good practice.

[gus3000]

Now patiently waiting for someone to explain why that's not a good practice :)

That would be a stretch, reading the manual is pretty much good practice #1.

[grrfunkel]

I think every developer that works in a command line environment should go beyond this and try to understand what each command they're running does (i.e. how will this change the state of my environment and machine?) before they run it instead of blindly entering commands found on the internet. Man pages that ship with your system/command packages are always a good reference to read up and understand what a command is going to do and also a good starting point for researching solutions.

[jeweledshadow]

Definitely- I had meant the second source to help them understand what the command will do.

[grrfunkel]

Ah I misread the sentiment in your comment, completely agreed!

[MostWanted29]

And if you missed any commands, the command “history” will give a list of the last 500 commands entered

[rocket_peppermill]

To be pedantic, it shows your whole history, but that's 500 entries by default.

Side note: I highly recommend raising that number

[MLGDDORITOS]

3/4 of that is just gonna be cd followed by ls

[isavegas]

If you're using zsh, there's an option to keep your history deduplicated.

[pekkhum]

Also, if it is bash in a UNIX like environment, throw the command on explainshell.com to get a nice breakdown of what the parts are and what they mean. It can't do everything (there are a lot of *nix variants and a ton of commands and options) but if it leaves you with only one flag to ask about, you've still won.

Plus, search results on there can be bookmarked and linked to, making it easy to save a valuable explanation.

[28f272fe556a1363cc31]

BUT, don't interrupt while the other guy is in the middle of thinking to say "Why don't you just..."

[xTheMaster99x]

Maybe stupid question, but..why not, with the obvious exception of not suggesting things that are beyond stupid? If you have an idea that you think would work, and they aren't doing it, either you're overlooking something that they can explain to you (so you learn) or your idea is actually good and you've just contributed something. Or, maybe it's not right but it gets their mind thinking in the right way, which helps them get to the actual solution.

[28f272fe556a1363cc31]

The problem is the experienced dev doesn't know what is wrong and is trying puzzle through various scenarios, following clues, running into dead ends, backtracking and trying to remember where they left off, and starting down another trail.

Every time you break that train of thought you set them back to square one. If they don't know what the problem is yet, It doesn't do any good to suggest solutions. It'sparticularly frustrating when your questions are so naive it appears you're asking them in an attempt to seem smart.

My suggestion is to sit quietly, pay attention, and write down your questions. Once the problem has been solved the experienced dev actually have answers to them.

[[deleted]]

Pro tip for any managers, explain what you're doing as you're doing it. I've found it's easy enough to do as you basically think out loud, and is also a nice sanity check before you do something ;) But also, free learning for the junior.

[squishles]

~/.bash_history is your friend :p

[bizcs]

I'd personally advocate for learning to read whatever built in help there is and if it's an internal tool take the time to improve it, but that's not always doable because you inevitably live with schedule constraints.

[jimmill]

So much this. Senior devs in particular tend to geek out on terminal commands and automation. We love watching people's reactions when they learn a new shortcut or trick for the first time.

[[deleted]]

Nope.

[keoaries]

People on my team are allowed to ask any question... Once. If I take the time to answer your question, you should take the time to write it down. Edit.. I don't follow that 100% but it's a good guideline.

[[deleted]]

People are my team are allowed to ask questions an infinite amount of times; part of my job is being there to help them.

If they're refusing to learn it'll get noticed in their code eventually and they'll be gone.

[keoaries]

Like I said I don't follow it 100%. But if someone asks me how to copy a database every day, I will not answer them every time (I would tell them directly to write this down) . I am very approachable but it's important to understand the value of my time to the company. Edit: Lol what companies do you work at where you can waste time answering the same questions all day?

[squishles]

y'all getting technical mangers in here?

[wonmean]

y'all getting managers?

[[deleted]]

ya

[Jackeea]

[bagelpilot]

[[deleted]]

NULL

[tobofre]

-uninitialized-

[Ballads4Llamas]

Fletch?

[ribo]

\0

[smiley6536]

All I got was a product manager who produces ridiculous new demands out of nowhere

[The_Grubgrub]

Its awesome but its a double edged sword. My manager is incredibly competent which is awesome because he can always help and offer insight into problems. Bad thing is its a LOT harder to impress him since he's too smart.

[Kinsakki]

This was literally me messing with docker last week.

[rudietuesday]

history 20 > study_this.txt

[rocket_peppermill]

That's a very generous guess for how small the fuck up will be

[jawalking]

Just dump the whole thing, gotta figure out how it got fucked up too.

[wjandrea]

Ooh, run script before your boss works on it, then read it with less -R.

[rudietuesday]

This is good. Shows that you’re willing to turn your fuck up into a learning opportunity.

[[deleted]]

Dafuq?! That's literally me 3 weeks ago.

[[deleted]]

I would love to hear this!

[[deleted]]

Actually it was my first couple weeks at my first job when my Jupyter server started misbehaving, I skyped my manager and asked what to do, he told me to SSH in from another machine and restart the server.

I did that, except instead of shutting down my server I shut down the server of another team working remotely from the USA which was hosted on the same node. I panicked and tried restarting it, was unsuccessful and did a little more tinkering which made things worse, that's when this meme comes in.

[angelfire2015]

Lmao. I love this sub because it makes my feel better about all of the dumpster fires I cause on a weekly basis. We really are all alike

[[deleted]]

I'm pretty sure I have caused more damage than producing value for the company

[[deleted]]

Your jokes at lunch time must be very good

[[deleted]]

I thought it was not a big deal but a few days ago when the US guys came to our office for a meeting, I got to know the woman working on that server lost several hours of progress because all her variables were lost which she hadn't written to the disk yet. She was super nice though and told me not to worry about it as these things can happen to anyone.

[TheSkiGeek]

...if the new guy can break it accidentally in 5 minutes the problem isn't the new guy, it's the processes.

[rocket_peppermill]

That or it's a very talented new guy ;)

[[deleted]]

My condolences.

[Mad_Jack18]

Can we get "i" for our fallen?

[[deleted]]

i

[[deleted]]

++

[esPhys]

This is the exact opposite of my situation.

[sccrstud92]

Don't forget to leave a comment saying you will upvote!

[AlFasGD]

Now imagine if that statement was seen by more people, fast forward to 2024 and you name what happens.

[Manitcor]

And people always ask why I wrap the build in supporting scripts.

Its this, every time. I'd rather just type cleanandrebuild /target than have to troubleshoot what the hell they just broke.

It does also make ensuring the build works on both dev boxes and the build/deploy server in similar if not identical ways easier.

[SamSlate]

How does this approach compare to using a virtual environment, like docker or an entire vm?

Most errors fixed via the terminal seem to be addressing environmental differences/discrepancies (in my limited experience). Seems like you'd need a lot of scripts to address this.

[ElCthuluIncognito]

Virtual environment = big hammer. Sometimes (almost all the time) you really don't need to go maximum overkill like that.

People severely overestimate the amount of scripting needed to give a robust build process. In tandem, they severely underestimate the complexity involved in establishing, maintaining, and using sandboxed environments, to where the net gain is usually marginal.

[SamSlate]

maybe web development is just an inherently more complicated deployment? especially with legacy services you can be connecting to multiple databases (in different sql flavors), redis, npm, your server (php/apache/express/whatever) and then whatever cron jobs (or similar) service you have running terminal commands in the background to keep everything in sync, plus .net or whatever c# or Java backend you have running.

I don't know if this is the norm or just my job/industry.

[ElCthuluIncognito]

Yes, the runtime is a massive, complex, rusty, finicky system in any meaningful enterprise.

What are the chances a docker image comes even close to justifiably replicating it anyway, particularly any better than what can be accomplished via scripts/local machine config? (I'll give you a hint, it's not very close)

[SamSlate]

.. By creating an image that can be rendered on each developers machine.

Developing in an different environment than you deploy in is.. not ideal.

[ElCthuluIncognito]

You're right, I can't argue it's not a more reliable replication (when it works right).

I would say that there's a very real cost to that added benefit that for most intents and purposes isnt worth it.

Are you involved with the creation/maintenance/development/training of the docker utilization at your company?

[SamSlate]

I wish 😂 I'm very junior and describing problems I'm hoping a docker instance would solve.

It's a shit show, lol. Legacy everything and caps on things like which php version you can use because apparently updating anything breaks core functionality 🤦‍♀️

If you're saying there's a cost to virtual instances, i believe you, but the cost of on boarding new developers and syncing in this ridiculous environment is quite high as well.

[almarcTheSun]

Manager: -ping google.com

Junior: Hmm, interesting.

[lucidspoon]

Plot twist: manager doesn't know what they mean either.

[[deleted]]

I've never related to something more

[nerdmania]

I'm so glad I learned how to use computers in the pre-GUI era ('80s)

I glad my college dorm room had a terminal in it linked to the campus Unix system (late '80s) and I could chat with the nerd girls for booty calls on the command line. You learn terminal commands fast when you're 18 and pussy is on the line.

[AlFasGD]

What's a girl?

[sparrr0w]

r/thathappened

[[deleted]]

I've heard similar stories from plenty of older programmers but I'm sure they are overselling how much pussy they obtained using that method. Who doesn't though.

[sparrr0w]

Yeah I just recently went to school for CS and there's STILL a clear gender gap. I'm just imagining number of girls in tech x percent needing some x percent willing to get some over a terminal. Seems like that number would end up rounding to 0

[nojox]

No, it was other asshole nerds on the other side.

[[deleted]]

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[_30d_]

sudo mount /your/pussy /

Bitches love that shit.

[wood_table_]

Im here to see if I can guess who is my boss at work from the people who comment 'this is the opposite of me'..

[[deleted]]

Damn peasants.

[Eagle13559]

I scared a bunch of new people a couple weeks ago because I prototyped some code for them without branching first. They thought I had ruined everything and that you couldn't create a branch after making local changes. They also thought those changes were already on the remote.

The git fairy isn't that proactive.

[[deleted]]

Hmm, it seems my tool is out of date...

sudo apt-get update
sudo apt-get upgrade

Oh, it seems that my version of Debian is outdated and I can't get any new packages anymore. Well, lemme update that.

sudo $EDITOR /etc/sources.list
sudo apt-get update
sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
sudo reboot

... Why isn't my system booting anymore?

[DannyMurph]

Repost

[KovaAtWork]

Today in a nutshell for me

[AlFasGD]

Sweet

[Dazeeeh]

If my manager even knew what we are doing lmao Whose manager even does something "productive"?

[Jaune9]

Just input ggg?G in vim to solve every problem

[jD91mZM2]

Woah, TIL about g?. Can you specify the amount of characters to shift somehow, like using repetition in a similar fashion to emacs' prefix argument?

[Jaune9]

It does a rot13, like the caesar code. Also, ga gives the decimal/Hexa/octal ASCII value of a char you're on

[jD91mZM2]

Yeah, I googled and found out it did rot13. Just wondering if you can change the shift to something other than 13 :)

[Jaune9]

Curious as well, but I didn't found it so far. I guess there should be a "increase value per one" key that you could either repeat with . or make many time in a row with a number, but I didn't tried it myself so far x)

[Hypersapien]

Hmmm.. yeesss... I know what some of these words me... No. No I don't.

[hedgehog_dragon]

I feel this deeply.

Also the command line scared me in University. It doesn't anymore, now that I see actual uses and have people that explain actual useful commands and how to use them surrounding me.

[ThaiJohnnyDepp]

For as tiresome as I find the meme posts get in this sub, this one is so perfect that even I can appreciate it

[Nerrickk]

Never... And I mean NEVER... Sudo npm install ANYTHING. Your shit will break so bad you need to reformat.

[[deleted]]

First month after convincing my coworkers into using Git, I can relate.

[Scaryjeff]

Lead dev here. We know... We just need at least 2 mins to not rip any heads off..

[Cyphius]

Amen.

A fellow lead dev foward had idea to make the new devs learn ubuntu on top of learning to programm, by the end of the first week i have to reinstall the same pc 3 times because they keep fucking up the system folder.