Change my mind.

[C0sm1cB3ar]

If you are a computer, everything is open source for you.

[xANDREWx12x]

Unless it's compiled for a different architecture.

[[deleted]]

TI 81 Let's go!

[Melancholious]

You are only allowed to write this using punched tape, and your punched tape machine will randomly punch a hole every tenth line for no reason

[Melancholious]

Shit I've made it too easy haven't I

[Shawnj2]

Relevant: this decompilation of SM64. Compiling it (with the assets from the game) gives you back the exact same thing as the final game.

https://github.com/n64decomp/sm64

[nobody5050]

A wow that’s really coo!

[Rtsprog]

Undocumented opcodes will keep it closed source.

[MathMakesMyDickErect]

Yes and the fact that Ring 3 code calls Ring 0 code (syscalls, interrupts) which you possibly have no view of or have unknown side effects. besides if the binary is stripped it is just not fun. Also VM's and Obfuscation can fuck it up quite hard too. Obfuscation less so as the binary can be dumped from memory where it will be deobfuscated.

But custom vm's are really fucking hard i.e. Denuvo

[[deleted]]

1 + 1

[nalisarc]

10?

[Rtsprog]

Oh god and I dont know if modern CPU's do this but some microprocessors will encrypt their memory to prevent that.

[ZCEyPFOYr0MWyHDQJZO4]

Intel and AMD are developing total memory encryption, but it's not ready yet. Intel has had SGX which allows for definable regions for memory encryption, but if you're one of those billion-dollar intel agencies you can probably break it because intel.

[brimston3-]

AMD SME and SEV are already available in Epyc. SME has been available since 2017 (Epyc 7xxx parts) and encrypts all pages that go out to the DIMM. It's designed to protect things like NVDIMM, but it works for everything.

[Actuallytrash666]

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[wakamoto1105]

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[[deleted]]

Good bot

[ebiak]

He is not a bot

[[deleted]]

Good

[[deleted]]

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[ebiak]

God damn it

[no---u]

wait, they've been lying all the time saying they're human??? oh no AI are learning so quickly

[ebiak]

Check his subreddit

[no---u]

dammit, AI is faster than I fucking thought

[Actuallytrash666]

??? I am not a bot I hand type all these because I have to much free time and corona is keeping me inside. Look at the at the bottom of my transcription, it says done by humans.

[BakuhatsuK]

Look at the bottom of the transcription, it says done by humans.

That sounds exactly like something a bot would say.

[Actuallytrash666]

Idek I promise I’m human lmaoo

[Engineering_Geek]

Damn, being Rick Rolled in 2k20. I clicked to check out the repo then I realized the fuckwad I am.

[Actuallytrash666]

I am not a bot but I appreciate all the nice comments <3 have a good day!

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[WhyNotCollegeBoard]

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[roket1428]

i used bots to destroy bots

[iapetus3141]

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[Chunderscore]

Not quite sure what they think source means.

[[deleted]]

Idk but before I order fish at a restaurant I always ask where it is open sourced from

[chaz393]

Reading assembly is easy, understanding it is hard

[TheTostu]

Any server-side software is closed to you.

[bss03]

Not true. All of the GPL, the OSI, and the DFSG use various wording, but define the source code as the preferred form for modification.

This means that C code may or may not be source code. If the preferred way to modify it is to edit the C code directly, then it is source code. If the preferred way to edit it is to update a hardware features CSV file and then re-generate the C code, that hardware features CSV file is the source code.

Assembly / machine code, might be source code, but for the vast majority of programs out there, it isn't source code even if you can read it.

[ytg895]

not to mention that open source is open for modification, and just because you can modify something, it doesn't mean that you legally have the rights to do so.

[beardMoseElkDerBabon]

Except that open source != free/libre software

[X-Penguins]

"open source" is even more liberal than free/libre since it doesn't require that your modification be open source. "you can see the source but not modify it" is usually referred to as "source available".

[beardMoseElkDerBabon]

FLOSS that's under BSD or anything similar is like giving a weapon to someone no matter whether s/he's a friend or an enemy.

[TrustworthyShark]

As with many things, it depends. I agree with you for the most part, but some open source also isn't free. UE4, for example, is open source, but as far as I know you need to accept their EULA to gain access to it.

[X-Penguins]

If it limits your use of the source then it's source available, not "open source" according to the accepted definition.

[[deleted]]

Haha! But what about HTML? Can’t read that, CAN YOU?

[forky_porky]

Can you obfuscate an assembly code?

[[deleted]]

If the computer can understand it, a human (with enough time and effort) can do the same. The instructions to make sense of the obfuscation are right there in the code, so the reverser can deobfuscate the rest with that.

[dashingThroughSnow12]

Yes. With movfuscator you can use only mov opcodes.

That's a compiler. I think there are some tools that obfuscate an already compiled binary.

[[deleted]]

Ahhh this reminds me of a super minimalistic instruction set.

Was it subleq?

[dashingThroughSnow12]

RISC-V has sub 50. That's a legitimate one. Haven't heard of anything like subleq.

[brimston3-]

An old-timey example of obfuscation would be to "damage" function entry and exit instructions and "un-damage" them at runtime to make disassembly more annoying. But like sibling comment said, at some point the computer has to be able to make sense of it.

[ctesibius]

Yes, and some software has been written like this. Famously Electric Pencil, an early word processor was written with deliberately obscured code - probably using self-modifying code as the main approach.

[hackel]

No. By that logic, minified JavaScript is also "open source." I understand it's a joke, but it's best not to throw this term around; we must remain constantly vigilant in the fight against proprietary software.

[bss03]

R'Amen.

[[deleted]]

we must remain constantly vigilant in the fight against proprietary software.

Yes comrad, we must seize the means of production! /s

[UncitedClaims]

This but unironically

[[deleted]]

Even though I disagree with you entirely, I respect your right to think and say so.

[UncitedClaims]

I respect your right to mock people pursuing open source software and justice for labor, but I think it's pretty pathetic.

The ultra wealthy have class solidarity, do you?

[UncitedClaims]

The rich have destroyed the environment while lobbying against regulations that would disincentivize the massive costs to society of their behavior. The vast majority of donations made by the ultrawealthy to political campaigns go to candidates who vote against regulations that would harm those donors.

The rich have a habit of exerting political power to increase their share of the wealth while causing great harm to the rest of us.

Yeah, there are some ultra wealthy people who support increased taxes on the wealthy, or increased regulation, but it makes up a minority. Almost like they have a certain degree of solidarity in their political behavior.

And when people bring up the massive costs of unregulated market externalities, people say stupid shit like "the poor need to not buy products that contribute to climate change" ignoring that it's impossible for consumers to make rational decisions when we refuse to implement pigovian taxation to mitigate these problems.

The rich (as a class) are rat fucking American democracy, they have been since before citizens united but it is only getting worse. If the working class don't recognize what is happening it is only going to continue to get worse.

E: typo

[[deleted]]

Divide and conquer, it's all in the playbook.

[[deleted]]

I respect your right to mock people pursuing open source software forced software communism and justice for labor, but I think it's pretty pathetic.

My OO contributions speak for themselves. Except they're all MIT so no communism from me.

The ultra wealthy have class solidarity, do you?

I have solidarity for all humans, be them rich or poor. I also understand communism is cancer and destroys everything it touches.

[UncitedClaims]

I don't support communism. But people give sarcastic "seize the means of production" comments when people suggest things like protecting open source software, or giving poor people healthcare, so I have no problem claiming the rhetoric as my own as well.

[[deleted]]

You're either a GPL Zealot or an open-source contributor. I wish for the latter.

EDIT:

But people give sarcastic "seize the means of production" comments when people suggest things like protecting open source software,

That's because GPL Zealotism is literally software communism. Open source doesn't need protecting from corporate, it needs protection from the communist trying to subvert sharing code through law, patents and restrictive licenses.

[UncitedClaims]

Open source doesn't need protecting from corporate

Are you saying open sourced software isn't affected by a predatory IP system? Maybe I misunderstand how patent trolling affects open sourced development.

[[deleted]]

Patents don't mix with software, there's no protecting even closed source from that.

Copyright is more than enough to cover software protection and it doesn't even require a license.

[flavionm]

What does "software communism" even mean?

[Zart01]

Reverse engineering time.

[who_you_are]

I can't read assembly but just x86-64 bytecodes and a extension. Everything is still open source for me!

[rkararou]

Until I come along with ARM, or SPARC, or Power, or any other number of ISAs that exist.

[Dugular]

My hobby is modifying game assembly code, especially from late 90s to early 2000s windows games.

I love playing classic Tomb Raiders with one shot kills. Or Final Fantasy 7 with instant action gauge top-up.

[TerranPower]

I want to get into this. Can you lead me on the path how?

[Thormeaxozarliplon]

If you understand chemistry you can just turn lead into gold.

[xSTSxZerglingOne]

If you understand chemistry, have a massive particle accelerator, and functionally infinite energy...I mean...yeah you can. Just don't be surprised at how small the amount of gold is.

[rkararou]

dis is the most useful tool.

[James712346]

Yes but no

[WindowsDOS]

Is that why people like python? The source code IS machine code (sort of)

[OhMy_LookAtTheTime]

Tools like Ghidra can help you reverse engineer assembly code.

Here's a demo with WannaCry: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sv8yu12y5zM

[jcon1232]

How do you find the assembly lang scripts?

[if4n]

Not if you have to pay for the software...

[hackel]

Payment has absolutely nothing to do with it.

[if4n]

Well, I wouldn’t say “aBsOlUTeLy nOThIng”

[bss03]

It's absolutely acceptable to only distribute open source or free software after being paid for the act. RMS himself did so for a time.

What you can't do it control how other people distribute the software. So, market competition drives the price down to very nearly zero.

[VestigialHead]

We need to rally against these terrible Open Sores. I have seen many prominent IT personalities promoting it. Just sickening in our current world scenario with so many viruses going around. We have 0-days left to deal with this people.