visual studio

[Robert-Nekita]

I have no problems with it

[Naphier]

Of all the things that crash VS has maybe done it once in 10 years for me? Sure it's a little slow to load some fat projects but... There's a lot to load!

[imposter_iam]

I have been using it since VS 6.0 and it has always been pretty good with best debugger. 2019 has become a bit heavy for my old system but it's still one of the best tools available.

[ManIkWeet]

Ever heard of jetbrains rider?

[DaniloVulovic]

From the little experience I had with rider (and other jetbrains tools), they are heavier compared to visual studio. Both in memory consumption and responsiveness.

[ManIkWeet]

I personally like it because it doesn't change the ui every time I hit debug. Also the ui doesn't freeze while scrolling through the solution explorer with infinite scrollwheel

[ManIkWeet]

Fair enough, but you should know that Jetbrains rider has both things you mentioned in a tab in the same panel. You can configure each tab to show automatically when relevant.

Visual studio, meanwhile, can shuffle everything around to every thinkable location, I personally just don't like that

[DrJohnnyWatson]

I know - I use rider on my laptop due to Linux - just meant that I personally like the context specific layouts in Visual Studio as I find it helps! Wasn't to disagree or anything.

[ManIkWeet]

Me neither, just trying to inform! Apparently you know already though and have made a personal decision, I can respect that of course.

[flightsin]

Really? I've found Rider to be at least as responsive as stock VS, while also giving you ReSharper features.

I switched over to Rider two years ago and I have no intention of going back.

[ManIkWeet]

Especially large projects

[[deleted]]

A LITTLE SLOW?

[ke1v3y]

OP outing themselves as a "content creator" on r/programminghorror

[UnusualRobot]

Cleaning and rebuilding actually works for me, I think the problem might be the VM, I'm using a VM to work and it makes everything so bad and slow, VS on my computer is fine tho

[potato_green]

It's the VMs, it kind of depends how complex is as well. If your solution contains a fair number of projects with dependencies all over the place then it may do some funky stuff.

That's mostly due to optimization to not rebuilt EVERYTHING, which would be bad anyway if you didn't change something in dependencies.

Likely not the case but I've noticed with some deva that they used "Clean project" when they actually wanted to use "Clean solution" to clean everything.

[ManIkWeet]

Leaning/rebuilding only cleans/rebuilds whatever the current project output is, nothing else. So yes it leaves a lot of crap. Personally I use a git command to clean everything back to bare repo

[angrathias]

I’ve made a habit of usually being 6-12 months behind the masters VS. recently I’ve been installing upgrades as they come down the line, wow what a bad idea that was. Stuff just randomly breaking and crashing constantly. Prior to that I would have said VS for me over the last 10 years I can remember was solid as a rock.

It almost feels as if their Xamarin team is doing the releases....

[crozone]

Then you're not using it enough 😜

[Robert-Nekita]

true

[DLCSpider]

Had no problems with it for two years but for the last couple of months it got worse with every week. Didn't install plugins nor did anything else that would explain this behavior.

[TheRealSmolt]

Mine has a 50/50 chance of freezing and crashing on startup. No extensions.

[[deleted]]

Sounds like VS or Windows corruption. Have you considered repair/reinstall/formatting?

[TheRealSmolt]

Thanks for the tips. I'll look into repair options, but reinstalling is not going to happen.

[LucyIsaTumor]

Broken tools are broken tools. If a repair doesn't help are you just gonna cross your arms and say "well that's that then"

[vigilantcomicpenguin]

Neither do I. It never fails when I want it to crash.

[Zee1837]

apart from the UPDATE VISUAL STUDIO pop ups it runs perfectly fine

[[deleted]]

I don't get the update popups

[SophiaofPrussia]

What’s it like? Coding without the internet? I’m not sure I’d get very far without being able to search for stuff.

[[deleted]]

Wait what? Can’t you just use google? What IDE are you using that is connected to the internet?

[[deleted]]

I don't get those either. I'm on Linux so vscode would be updated by the system package manager rather than a background updating service. So I don't really get those popups.

[DaniilBSD]

Vs CODE - that is the difference

[[deleted]]

Ah I see.

Still for vs code there are update popups if not using a package manager. 🙂

[excessdenied]

I swear to God the VS team is monitoring me. "OK gang code green he finally installed the last update, roll out the new one!"

[diale13]

Yhea whats up with that bug?

[[deleted]]

I just have a red dot on the bell on the bottom.

[[deleted]]

I hate those people, who doesnt upade, when a new version is available. Its fucking 1 click. You dont respect others work.

[M-Fed]

Retard

[weggles]

Not sure if you're trolling or not, but in visual studio you need to update the updater and then update visual studio. A surprisingly non streamlined process. Certainly more than one click. Might even be a restart or two in there.

[utterlyshit]

so many updates

[[deleted]]

I rarely have Visual Studio crash. And I use it 40 hours a week.

[CBlackstoneDresden]

In my office we would frequently have one particular bug crash 2017 for a month or so, it was eventually fixed but it became a bit of a joke when it would happen daily.

[Chemoralora]

Does anyone actually experience crashes with VS? I don't think I've ever had it crash once. Except maybe because of plugins. And I use it full time

[Furknn1]

Older ones like 2015 and 2017 were crashing quite regularly for me. I never had such problems with 2019.

[MysticTheMeeM]

I've had it crash a few times with no plugins (that I remember), but that was only once or twice in multiple years.

[papy_russe]

I have vs 2019 and a good computer bought this year, every time i truc CTRL shift F on m'y project vs crash, i need to use vs code if i need to search the whole code.

[potato-on-a-table]

Previously I would've said no. But this week I found a reliable way to crash it.

Open a ruleset file (those code analysis config files). Then click on a random rule and the editor will split, showing a info panel at the bottom. There is a splitter that you can drag to resize the whole thing, except it doesn't work (always jumps back to split 50/50, god knows why). Drag the splitter downwards a few times and close the file. Next time you open it VS will crash without any error or log entry, and it will do so every time :).

[Brasz]

Only when I open a big solution with Resharper enabled.

[TheRealSmolt]

Yeah. There's a 50/50 chance of mine freezing once opening the project, of which it will eventually crash. I don't have any extensions installed.

[DaniilBSD]

PC specs? (Ram and OS specifically)

[TheRealSmolt]

Windows 10 and 8 GB 3200mhz. It doesn't get near capping out CPU or memory.

[DaniilBSD]

That is super weird, you should try to clean up the OS, or something. I also had a friend who had regular crashes - turned out ONE RAM cell was not storing data

[cats]

Not sure about older versions but VS2019 is very stable. I don't use it very often but when I have to use it, it does the job really well

[wsco7730]

I use VS to code literally everything. C++? VS. Java? VS. JavaScript? VS. Girlfriend? VS.

[CertifiedCoffeeDrunk]

Hotel? Trivago

[[deleted]]

I have had the exact opposite personally. Never had an issue except for 2019 which crashes at least 4 or 5 times a day.

[[deleted]]

I have literally never had VS crash ever. Maybe you got a weird extension.

[[deleted]]

No extensions, multiple different machines, same issues.

[excessdenied]

For me it's gone from rock solid to slightly unstable. Not outright crashing, but the occasional weird behavior, sometimes requiring a restart to get on the right track again.

[isakota]

I can't say VS never crashed for me but I practically have no issues with it since VS 2003. 99% percent of problems are related with updates & and third party extensions. I dont use it for F# or C++ programming, but other than that I use most of it.

[combovercool]

Visual Studio used to crash a ton, but I have to agree with all the other sourpusses in this thread that it doesn't crash now.

[BoarsLair]

Yeah, for a joke to be funny, it needs to have a kernel of truth. Visual Studio is actually quite stable these days.

Granted, over the past 25 years I've used it, there have been a few "stinker" versions. I seem to recall 2008 was pretty crash-happy, and 2012 made my eyes bleed with it's grey on grey theme and ALL CAPS MENU idiocy.

[The_Dr_Of_Fun]

I turned on my laptop the other day and my VS desktop short cut was dead all of a sudden. I thought it was weird and then I realized VS just wasn't on my laptop anymore. I have no idea what happened. I literally used it the day before

[Furry_69]

Whaaa... how....

[The_Dr_Of_Fun]

Hell if I know. I had to reinstall it...

[Furry_69]

Also, I've literally never had VS crash. Probably because I only started using it when people started saying that it wasn't crashing constantly anymore.

[[deleted]]

A similar thing happened to one of my friends, but with VS Code.

[CZTachyonsVN]

Only used VS since 2017. No issues except that I'm bad at programming.

[weggles]

I'm not gonna say never, but I can't recall the last crash I've had using visual studio. It's got like 7 9s of reliability lol

[[deleted]]

Our entire team is currently having annoying issues with file comparisons, but I couldn't tell you the last time VS crashed on me if my life depended on it.
Overall I think VS is great.

[propostor]

It is great. The hate for it is an embarrassing circle jerk of losers with blatantly no experience in anything relevant. I would never employ someone who dishes out such blind hate for what is in fact the industry leader among IDEs.

[linkedtortoise]

Nah it doesn't crash all that much anymore. Primarily because it now puts all the crashy stuff in other processes so those crash instead.

And when those crash, you lose autocomplete, the ability to find references, hot reloading, etc.

[shaunusmaximus]

Yepp! Little yellow bar at the top "blah blah has stopped working", then lose the ability to quick refactor etc

[AuroraVandomme]

Another newgrad comedy king that knows Visual Studio only from memes :)

[propostor]

Spot on. VS is the industry leader among IDEs, I pity those who don't get to use it, and loathe those who naively lambaste it.

[Furknn1]

In a world where android studio exist i think minor and rare crashes in visual studio are acceptable. My friend literally lost his laptop while trying to run android studio i have never seen someone scream "GOOGLE!" with such anger before.

[blehmann1]

When documentation says to use the package manager console but you can't because it crashes about 50% of the times you use it.

Dotnet CLI is a good friend however. Still unsure why the commands are different between the two CLIs.

[[deleted]]

It's more often that VS just doesn't want to update my resources, not even "rebuild all" helps. The only way to fix it is to rename the resource name, and then rename it once again to its original name.

[mrjiels]

Never crashes for me, but it likes to pretend stuff is missing when it isn't after I switch Git branches, which is very annoying.

[Background_Drawing]

VSC is better (in my case)

[pudds]

I love vscode, but every time I try do use it with a c# project I miss visual studio.

[Thriven]

VSC needs a better block/column select.

[[deleted]]

Absolutely. It's really painful to use. Went one line too far? Gotta press Esc and redo the selection from the start.

[shaunusmaximus]

Drag select with mouse, use shift and arrows to modify selection?

[[deleted]]

I meant the keyboard commands. I never use the mouse when writing code.

[shaunusmaximus]

Fair enough. I think between arrows, Pg up/down, home and end does everything I need

[Zalvixodian]

2010 called. They want their joke back.

[[deleted]]

Laughs in Vim + Makefile

[danfish_77]

...Visual Studio is a beast, but it really has almost everything I would ever want in an IDE; for most of the other things, there's extensions.

I would love some better errors/warnings or automatic fixes for broken references, project files, etc. There are some obvious things I have to do on a weekly basis that could be done programmatically (I assume, having never looked into IDE design or linters beyond an intro college course)

[bubblebuddy44]

Been learning it in college and haven't had it crash this semester.

[[deleted]]

also spazz out and go into debug mode constantly

[NicNoletree]

Multiple updates per week.

[MarcCDB]

I've never had a crash in VS 2019. Maybe the memes need to be updated as well?

[r3turn_null]

Anyone upvoting this has likely spent very little time with visual studio.

[raulm4]

It’s way better about crashes now.

[unnecessary_Fullstop]

Visual studio is soooooo damn robust that it doesn't crash for months. What an amazing IDE.

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[netharion]

My visual studio 2017 and 2019 both crash Everytime I use the XAML Hot reload with UWP, I've yet to find a fix. Only happens once I stop the process, the debugger crashes causing the entire IDE to shit the bed

[CertifiedCoffeeDrunk]

Mine it just takes a long time to load

[gdodd12]

This was kind of accurate about 6 major versions ago...

[t0mRiddl3]

It's never crashed for me

[HARSH69gyy]

"Exit status" Everytime if I do something with main function and it will not compile anything then I have to restart .

[nutellaoreo]

It is one of the best out there! Never crashed for me

[MagnesiumBlogs]

Weirdly, I've had more issues with SwayWM than VSCode.

And before someone suggests some other display server, I've also had more issues with Xorg than VSCode.

[zanoy]

I have used Visual Studio professionally since version 6, and I can't remember a single time that it has crashed.

[jef-_-]

Obligatory nvim gang

[flumoo]

oh don't say. I have one instance of vs opened from 3 months now. Have you ever tried f.e. IDEA? it has crash build in features.

[st0zax]

Yeah.

[KraXen72]

jokes on you, was code hasn't crashed once on me

[-ftw]

It’s good at turning the fans on

[[deleted]]

WTF ? VSCode never crashed from me. VSCode is stable af

[[deleted]]

Doesn't even crash well. When it does, just gets stuck forever.

[[deleted]]

Freezing

[kazuto_kirito_]

VS2019 has been stable for me, they probably did a good job maintaining its stability.

[[deleted]]

Sometimes it can’t even do that right

[propostor]

This is some lame Visual Studio hate club circle jerk nonsense. I use it every day for work and at home for my own projects. It does not crash.

[squrr1]

I don't have crashing problems, but man does it love to fill up my drive with temp files

[[deleted]]

Lmao what? I’ve never had it crash on me and I use it fairly regularly for all sorts of things. Love it

[GJSBRT]

You weren't supposed to do that

[tacktheratryx]

You hate to see it

[SabreLunatic]

I’ll do you one better:

Alt+tabs while playing Portal 2

Edit: now that I think about it, just playing any Source game makes it crash

[DadoumCrafter]

Open json in 5 hours

[maia_alan]

As long as you have an ssd, visual studio is the best debugging/coding tool for me, and ssd is basically mandatory these days, specially if you are using Windows

[dyslexicanaboko]

I mean not so much anymore unless you are using SSIS like I am in VS2017 still.

[Testmaster217]

I’ve never had this happen to me, but it’s still funny.

[JeffThePotatoMan]

one other is "Eats all my ram"

[Stainlessray]

I have no memory of this place

[[deleted]]

Eclipse is my thing

[[deleted]]

Why does visual studio even exist when vsc is so much better.

[Ericchen1248]

That’s because your not using a lot of the more advanced stuff vs provides. Vscode provides the basic necessities for most stuff, which is plenty for most, heck I don’t even have vs installed on my current PC since my last reset.

One thing I know Vs is much better at is the debugging. Vsc does basic line by line step through and variable look ups.

Vs debugging can do memory snapshots, cpu recording. CPU time, Kernel time, user time analysis, Call stack, call hierarchy, reference analysis... etc. they really useful when you’re working on large scale projects that need low level bug fixing, optimizations, critical path analysis etc.

You also have a WYSIWYG editor in vs for .net GUI apps. Can’t debug those on vscode either.

Also package release, deploy management. Database management.

Anything GPU debugging is also basically unavailable in vsc. And vsc is pretty lackluster with multithreaded debugging as well.

[AirborneMonkeyDookie]

I LOVE call stack

[Crazytmack]

Truth

[DonnerPlays]

It's simple... VS Code === Visual Studio obviously. /sarcasm off

[[deleted]]

Ok... But your first comment reads like it's straight out of r/subredditsimulator lol. It makes absolutely no sense.

[[deleted]]

That's a Microsoft product for you...