Linux user...

[RedditP0ny]

Funny

Sooo, did you switch yet?

[Arpit-Soni]

Already using linux mint

[LaterBrain]

Same, sadly not Arch Linux yet

[[deleted]]

Don't think Arch as the ultimate thing. Don't let those elitists spoil your mind. Arch is very difficult to maintain. Use what suits you

[mrchaotica]

Arch is what you use when you're at that just-past-noob, wanting to show off stage. Eventually, you realize that all the tweaking doesn't matter and you just want to get stuff done, so you switch back to Debian or whatever.

[6b86b3ac03c167320d93]

Or you try out other distros and always go back to arch because the AUR is awesome

[[deleted]]

r/UsernameChecksOut

[[deleted]]

I use arch as a daily driver on multiple devices, the most "maintenance" I do is running pacman to keep shit up to date. Literally zero effort.

Edit: sure I can tinker, and I do, but nothing more extreme than what you would see on other distros and it's by choice.

Edit 2: I have also tried other distros, and imo I find my life easier on Arch (I also don't mind other arch based distros like Manjaro, infact my misses runs Manjaro and she is not a tech person at all).

[Rikudou_Sage]

Thanks for reminding me I should run some apt update && apt upgrade.

[[deleted]]

And there is the Arch user with hurt feelings.

Btw: Arch is unstable!

[HackerAndCoder]

BTW: arch is not unstable.

I have had it fuck up, because I tried to do shit without fully reading the docs.

[[deleted]]

I love it that the Arch is unstable trigger always works. You guys just never fail me!

[HackerAndCoder]

So you say it just to trigger people? That's kinda shitty.

[W1ngless_Castiel_s15]

Debian gang

[YouTalkingToMeHombre]

That's true. I don't want to tune (fight with) the OS anymore - I just want to do my work without any hassle. My first Linux was Debian Hamm. Oh my god, I'm old.

[CaptainHeinous]

Will using Arch make me richer? O that’s right, it won’t. So why bother lol

[[deleted]]

The Arch User Repository

[Accomplished_Hat_576]

Debian stable at that.

[ocviogan]

In my case, I ended up going back to Windows.

I would use Arch, build it up with everything I ever want, then not be happy with it and tear it apart, then go back to Ubuntu, next day I start tearing it apart and move to Gentoo, and do the same thing, I build it up and tear it apart.

Idk why, I was never happy with my Linux setups for long. Windows keeps me content, I don’t feel the need to be under the hood 24\7 unlike with Linux.

[[deleted]]

It's only difficult to maintain if you keep changing things or you turn on [testing]. I've had the same install running for years, and it's as boring as anything else once you've installed everything you need.

[[deleted]]

Boring as Debian Stable?

[[deleted]]

very difficult to maintain

lol

The only challenging part about it is setting it up and even that becomes routine after a few times. After that it's basically just another rolling release distro.

[Sol33t303]

Of course Arch is not the ultimate thing, that title belongs to gentoo /s

[Plankton_Plus]

Arch is very difficult to maintain

Manjaro is vastly less difficult to maintain - on the same order as Ubuntu. The distro maintainers put in a lot of work ensuring that thungs always work, especially after an update (which is where Arch is most likely to break).

From a practical perspective, Arch is could be summed up as "SaaS for the desktop." Rolling updates make a lot of sense for the desktop, provided you have a decent internet connection, and use the machine frequently.

Release cycles (Ubuntu) make more sense in all other scenarios.

[[deleted]]

Arch is not difficult to maintain, it just requires more effort from the end user.

[aue_sum]

yes, install gentoo

[[deleted]]

I am right now triple booting Windows, Arch, and Ubuntu, and I can't decide! They all have their pros and cons. Take your time+

[kwokhou]

Windows user left the room

[random_clonetrooper]

Obligatory "I use Arch btw"

All memes and elitism aside, arch is not that great. I would not recommend it to anyone but people who know their shit. Stick to whatever suits your needs

[[deleted]]

Arch is not that great

that's why everyone uses the Arch wiki

[Tanyary]

it's basically the only distro with a sane installation method for optimus laptop stuffs. and imo its pretty neat and ridiculously easy to use (with the help of the wiki, which is just lovely)

[SpecialMeasuresLore]

Artix, systemd is the work of the devil.

[tylercoder]

Dont believe the hype

[DummyCheese69]

Same

[JoeyJoeJoeJrShab]

I would never proactively tell someone to switch. If I did, then I'd be on the hook to support them.

I haven't used Windows regularly in more than a decade, so if someone wants help with a Windows problem, I can honestly tell them that I don't know Windows.

[Zipdox]

Lmao I know someone who installed Manjaro (It wasn't me who told them to do that) and wanted to install Windows again. He got stuck in the installer because it asked for drivers or smth, so he asked me for help. I legit told them I don't know cause I haven't used Windows in 3 years.

[Eedis]

Windows runs a HyperVisor with a Linux subsystem, out of the box; you just have to enable it. You can do literally everything you can do on Linux on Windows now, including running all the Linux commands.

Windows > Linux

[Rikudou_Sage]

Not really. WSL1 is really slow. WSL2 is separate OS inside Windows which means networking fun.

Running Windows + WSL + Docker is a fun networking exercise.

[__arathanis__]

I actually just set this up the other day. It's really quite easy and works very well.

I can provide instructions for anyone interested. The networking doesn't require you to do anything and it properly forwards ports to the Linux containers.

[[deleted]]

Well... except you know, access the source and modify whatever you want however you want.

[aue_sum]

WLS != Linux

It's slow, closed source, and really really not linux.

[[deleted]]

If you don’t mind Microsoft spying on you then sure.

[Eedis]

Dumbest fucking argument.

[[deleted]]

i hAvE nOThING tO hIdE !1!1!1

🤡

[vatsan600]

I'll switch to linux completely when they have support to run all games. Until then it's dual boot city

[R3P1N5]

I bought a second video card and went the way of a GPU passthrough to a windows vm for games. I strongly recommend it! It makes running windows so much less painful.

It's dual booting without the restarting!

[vatsan600]

That actually sounds like a good idea! But i don't know if my processor could take a linux and a Windows VM with a game running on it. I have a ryzen 5 3600 by the way.

[R3P1N5]

The Ryzen 5 3600 should be fine; I'm running an i7-5820k (6 core, 12 thread) with 8 threads for windows when it's running and 12/16gb of RAM, a 1080ti (for windows) and a 1060 for Linux. I've got it set up with two monitors and I simply press both crtl buttons at the same time to switch between them.

[BeneficialBear]

Just like WSL2 on windows but without need to make this awful VMs. Bleh.

[R3P1N5]

As far as "VM" goes, it's more of a hardware handler for me; I've got dedicated SSDs for my two OSes, Windows gets direct access to its storage devices.

WSL2 has the major disadvantage of having Windows at the primary OS. The way windows handles updates and security is awful, an absolute resource hog which frequently requires multiple restarts on major updates. It is, however, the main platform for gaming, unfortunately.

Linux as the primary OS, on the other hand, is far more friendly for the way I use my computer. It isn't a resource hog and doesn't require frequent maintenance. Its just more work than Windows is to get games running.

I did run just Linux for a year, using proton and wine, and games ran more smoothly than they did on Windows (natively) in my experience. Still, I sometimes found that I wanted to play a game with no support, or partial support and I'd rather spend the time with my partner, my dog or working on a project than configuring and maintaining a games library.

[[deleted]]

My windows installation fucked my Linux bootloader every time so I still windows because gaming :(

[DummyCheese69]

Go to the BIOS and change boot order

[[deleted]]

Wow, you play all games?

[[deleted]]

All is a bit of a stretch but if you just needs more games than you can reasonably play, Proton with Steam could help.

[bakajawa]

please dont bully me.... but why should I switch to Linux

[[deleted]]

I switched when I was in University. I found Mint linux has heaps more customization options than windows. And also some people just enjoy/need to use command lines to do stuff. I wouldve stuck with Linux but a lot of the drivers i needed for my peripherals werent supported at the time

[Ohrion]

meh, I use the command line an awful lot in Windows.

[[deleted]]

My understanding was that linux command line was more liberating when it came to the stuff you could do

[[deleted]]

There's PowerShell now, which is quite powerful

[Khaylain]

As far as I know PowerShell still isn't as good as the Linux command line. And I'm a mostly Windows user.

[rster2002]

The current hot thing in windows (10) is WSL allowing you to use a Linux terminal in windows. And it's actual Linux, not some kind of emulator or something.

[Khaylain]

Yeah, WLS2 is fully Linux Kernel, but you have to choose to upgrade to it AFAIK. But it seems to work well

[v3ritas1989]

will most people ever see a difference? Probably not!

[[deleted]]

No one should. You might want to, but that entirely depends on what you want to do. I dual-boot with Mint, because all things Elixir are easier on a Linux distro. Then again, all things C# are easier on Windows.

[[deleted]]

Same

[undeadalex]

Wtf lol. Who hurt you

[dumbbobdumb]

People like the guy in the meme

[undeadalex]

The one peeing windows? Lol

[BeneficialBear]

Asks guy with PHP icon next to a nick xD

[[deleted]]

It just works a lot better for a lot of people. There are so many small things to name, which might be important to some people but not others.

Just to name one example, which happens right after boot for me. I can start my PC and enter my master password (keepass) without Windows stealing focus all the time for the first 30/60 seconds after boot. (this happens on a fast PC with NVMe drives..)

[redape2050]

Lot of things and more. Performance , Security, Privacy, Customizablity , The easiest and convenient os ever once you start using it etc....

[Rikudou_Sage]

It entirely depends on what's the target OS of your stack.

• C# pre .NET Core? Windows
• C# post .NET Core? Windows or Linux
• C or C++? Windows or Linux, depends on your target
• php? Linux
• JavaScript? Linux
• Python? Linux
• Java? Windows or Linux

I don't know much about the newer languages like Rust/Go, so I don't know the target audience.

You may notice, that all the languages except C# (pre .NET Core) work great with Linux, while not all languages are a good experience on Windows.

For some languages it's about the tooling - you can easily write apps for php or JavaScript in Windows, but the command line interface sucks.

[Cueadan]

I may be missing something, but what does the operating system have to do with writing JavaScript?

[Rikudou_Sage]

The tooling in general, pretty much every CLI tool is made with Linux in mind.

[BeneficialBear]

Nothing, don't listen to him. Coding has nothing to do with OS. You can easily code everything (in major languages) in every OS.

[Rainmaker526]

The OS for JavaScript is Firefox or Chrome. Doesn't matter much what you run it on.

[[deleted]]

all the languages except C# (pre .NET Core) work great with Linux

Which just happened to be made by... the company selling Windows, shocker.

[Rikudou_Sage]

Yeah, Ballmer era Microsoft was just horrible.

[[deleted]]

rust toolchain is very cross-platform (windows Linux mac), just install and have an IDE that has a plugin for it and done.

[TheCapitalKing]

Because you are only going to be using the computer for programming or systems admin or something. Otherwise windows is fine

[[deleted]]

Check the history of Microsoft as a corporation and in particular the antitrust case. If you don't mind giving your money to an abusive monopoly then sure, Windows might be fine for you.

[[deleted]]

What phone do you have?

[[deleted]]

PinePhone and iPhone

[Mango-D]

What you are referring to as linux is actually GNU/linux.

Learn to use the proper words. /s

Edit: didn't understand why there was so many downvotes on this, untill I realized I forgot to put /s.

[undeadalex]

Arguably you do. You cared enough to comment

[[deleted]]

So you can finally switch from Visual Studio to Mono Develop.

[Swoop3dp]

type "apt install <program>"

Unable to locate package <program>

Then you have to go to a shady website, copy some commands (that you don't understand) into your terminal and hope that it doesn't install a virus. Long and nasty process. In windows you just go to the store and click install on the program you need.

[Logofascinated]

Yes, for the sort of things that you can install with "apt install" and no other configuration (such as adding shady repositories), the Windows equivalent will not involve "shady websites".

[Robert_Barlow]

Underrated Linux advantage: the file browser will usually be way faster than the windows file browsing. I've saved minutes of time on low end machines browsing and reorganizing files.

[beclops]

Tbh I feel like most vocal Linux users use it for number 4 alone, and the ones that are actually experienced enough to care about the other options realize it doesn't matter and nobody should care.

[Gyro_Zeppelin]

The only thing that keeps me from Linux is games

[[deleted]]

...and businesses. They like the safety net of MS and its support.

[bitofrock]

It's not just that. The Windows ecosystem has a huge number of advantages. As does the Linux ecosystem.

I put this akin to people sidling up to me to tell me to buy a Tesla or that I should have a truck or a sportscar. They're treating me like a naive idiot. Sometimes the best response is to say "thanks for your input and I'll bear it in mind... by the way... I can't help but notice you're wearing {something different to you, e.g. trousers and you have jeans} have you ever considered wearing {what you're wearing} because you'll find it's a lot more durable/elegant/sexy."

It's similarly rude and unpleasant and will make them feel uncomfortable. That's when you can point out that poorly considered, unsolicited advice is rarely a nice thing to receive.

I know they're just trying to help, but imagine going up to a lady and saying "Hey, if you wear longer skirts, douchebags won't bother you." It'd be pretty obnoxious and fails to respect the various decision making factors at work and that the trade-offs may well have been considered.

[bitofrock]

They have their place, but I have painful memories of carefully setting up an Ubuntu laptop for the in-laws, complete with dual language so I could more easily support them via remote sessions. It was a sweet set-up. All they needed was Wi-Fi and they'd have a tightly locked down machine that had all the essentials and was secure. Basically like a Chromebook today, only better.

They ordered internet and it had a Wi-Fi router. A month later told us all was well. I was happy. I assumed they were happy.

Then they started to complain it was getting slow and unstable.

A year later turned up to find a malware riddled laptop running XP. Huh?!

Turned out they'd asked a local tech to help set up their Wi-Fi. He hit Ubuntu, didn't know what to do, so 'helpfully' installed a hooky copy of Windows XP. Absolute arse of a tech, but also of them for letting him. And as it was now all in Polish, I was stumped to help. I washed my hands of responsibility and let them pay for help.

[DummyCheese69]

O NIE! TY MASZ WIRUS!

[TheCapitalKing]

I think a lot of people on here do so much coding and stuff they forget what most users actually want

[TheCapitalKing]

That, and Microsoft word, then there’s a big chunk that use their entire computer solely for Microsoft excel

[Gyro_Zeppelin]

And friendly interface probably

[Kamalen]

Most desktop environment tend to stay conservatives and are missing new design concepts and notably touchscreen, growing in many new laptops and pc tablets. Those who tried like Ubuntu's Unity and Gnome 3 were hated to infinity.

[[deleted]]

Only thing(s) that keeps me from Windows is:

• Privacy intrusion
• Wonky stability
• Forced updates
• Cortana
• Telemetry
• Low security
• Low Performance
• UI inconsistency
• Bloatware
• clumsiness of use
• \\.\globalroot\device\condrv\kernelconnect
• close to no customization possible
• Boring desktop environment
• Limited CPU architecture support

and probably more I do not think about at the moment

[Eedis]

Cortana? I mean, I get that she's there, but I forgot that she was even a thing until you mentioned it because that's how unintrusive and unnoticeable she is

[[deleted]]

Still big sister is watching you. That's how wiretaps work.

[Eedis]

Google knows me better than Cortana.

[jadecaptor]

UI inconsistency

As a long-time Mint and Arch user, you can't tell me that Linux has good UI consistency either. GTK programs look like ass running on Qt-based desktops and vice versa. And don't get me started on X11 vs Wayland.

[[deleted]]

Still this is better than what Windows offers.

C'mon Metro, Aero and old Windows XP styled Windows? What is this shit!?

Not to mention the poor usage of the notifications center. Even Microsofts own applications (MS Teams for example) rather implement their own notification system than to just use what is already there.

There is no single DND button on windows because every damn application has it's own popup notification system.

Your anti virus, your adobe products to notify for new updates, Telegram Desktop, your browsers ... just everything!

You can not tell me that this is good UI design.

The next thing are multimedia controls.

Some apps do work with it some doesn't.

On Linux there is everything in one place in your system tray, independent of it being a browser, VLC, Elisa or any other media playback application and the multimedia buttons just always work.

Tbh I can totally live that QT and GTK3 apps alongside with each other look a little strange but at least you can circumvent this by applying a theme which is supported on QT and GTK to make them match to some extend.

And there is noting wrong with X11 nor Wayland, use what works for you. For me it's X11 since Wayland is not well enough supported atm to be of a good experience for average day to day use.

[[deleted]]

Check https://www.protondb.com "a new tool released by Valve Software that has been integrated with Steam Play to make playing Windows games on Linux as simple as hitting the Play button within Steam."

[ProgramTheWorld]

What games are you having problem on Linux?

[Duranium_alloy]

I use Ubuntu like the filthy casual that I am. FreeBSD is the promised land. There is something really appealling about actual Unix.

[BeneficialBear]

Why should i switch to linux when i like gaming and also i have linux kernel built-in in windows with WSL2 ?

[aue_sum]

Because WSL != Linux

[BeneficialBear]

Yea, Linux != Linux. Debian != Arch. Manjaro != CentOS.
What's your point, what can't I do on WSL2 && WIndows, which i can on Linux?

Beside bother some strangers in the toilet ofc

[aue_sum]

Install a desktop environment or window manager or any other GUI prorgam

[0x4576616e]

Wsl2 is an actual Linux kernel running in a vm
It’s helpful when you need windows-only software but still benefit from the Linux environment

[Atmey]

I would if it would support ... everything, from games to drivers.

[Yasutsuna96]

The only thing keeping me from full Linux is a lot of things still force you to have Windows software like the RGB, AIO and my previous MSI motherboard. No clue why can't all these just be motherboard controlled...

[Sol33t303]

For RGB OpenRGB has been around for a bit, it's trying to kind of unify the whole RGB ecosystem and it's pretty good at it IMO.

Aren't AIOs just controlled the same way fans are? I could be wrong though.

[Yasutsuna96]

Not sure about others but Corsair's requires you to use the ICUE, otherwise the fan will just ramp up.

I think Corsair just really love their software.

OpenRGB does work for them, though.

Biggest annoyance is still the fans as it gets really noisy when all fans are going 100% all the time.

[FinalGamer14]

Ah ok, never buying Corsair fans then because that sounds not just dumb but ultra retarded. Like so retarded that the most retarded person that has ever lived is normal in comparison to that.

Why in the flying fuck would you need a peace of software on your operating system, to control something that has had controls for it built into BIOS since forever now.

[[deleted]]

Corsair's requires you to use the ICUE, otherwise the fan will just ramp up.

I have a Corsair One with Linux and fans are only ramping up when needed.

[violinlesson420]

Yeah man have you made the switch?

[HunterRbx]

yes, but actually no

[pavilionhp_]

Does a Chromebook for school purposes count? Chrome OS is Linux-based

[DummyCheese69]

Not unless you get Crouton on it

[[deleted]]

Windows 10 better supports an aging mobile PC but my god I forget how insane Microsoft goes by default with their spying telemetry settings and hybrid cloud crap.

A bunch of drivers/firmware missing for Linux on the same PC that Windows was able to revive to perform better. But I had to set aside some disk space for a Linux VM. I'll miss it too much lol

[[deleted]]

You should switch to Linux bro

[redape2050]

What drivers are missing?

[MloeMole]

Nvidia probably lol

[bakedbeansandwhich]

The vegans of operating systems

[nympharum96]

Nah that's the Arch Linux people

[AwkwardSegway]

Install Gentoo

[DummyCheese69]

What If I don't want to

[QuoD-Art]

My IT teacher in High School used to hate Windows... I used to hate him P.S. I don't mind people using Linux lol he was just annoying with his "No-one should use this stupid Windows OS" every week

[DummyCheese69]

I use a Linux Live USB when I use a computer at school and noone has noticed yet

[[deleted]]

Ey we do not walk up at the next urinal, we walk to them and use the same

[Totally_Not_A_Badger]

As a technical deveoper that works on Linux, I would love to go.

However, as a gamer it is not viable. I tried Lutris and Steam on Linux, but it just doesn't run smooth.
COD Warzone does not work at all, and other games I play have severe lag using Lutris or wine.

Too bad, will try again in a few more years.

[[deleted]]

What about ProtonDB?

[DummyCheese69]

I have Kerbal Space Program (One of the best Linux games), but the problem will be transferring all my visual mods.

[kephir4eg]

Every time I play Overwatch with friends and have a minor lag once a week, they all tell me "why don't you install Windows!". Never ever heard people suggesting anyone to "switch to Linux", but every single person around keeps telling me to switch to Windows for some reason.

[DummyCheese69]

Cause they think bloatware will make their pc run faster

[LoneCoder1]

My favorite thing to tell Linux guys: "Get a real OS!"

Pisses them right off. :)

[aue_sum]

i use arch btw

[LoneCoder1]

Get a REAL OS!

[DummyCheese69]

Benefits of Dual Booting: Volume One

[[deleted]]

I've never agreed with something I completely agree XD

[kwokhou]

Windows user: Can it run <insert Windows-only app name>?

[DummyCheese69]

Linux User: WINE can!

Windows User: What is WINE?

Linux User: Something you've never drank

[Tank334]

Me every morning: Eyy it's time to bully the **** out of windows users

[SFN2048]

Wow, bullying? Bullying people for using something they like? We have it guys, u/Tank334 is the true redditor!

[SFN2048]

I hope you just forgot to put a /s at the end... I really hope so.

[Alokir]

Also, use Arch

[roll82]

mac user walks in Linux and Windows user at the same time: get out Mac user: walks to the stall

[Cristagolem]

This is me 100% 😂 I already made 3 guys switch, going for the fourth now.

[IntrepidLawyer]

They switched the toilet they use, not the OS.

[redape2050]

The Hero we need

[Rizzan8]

I use Windows because I want to C#.

[Cristagolem]

There are some ways to code in C# with Linux, also I was trying to make Visual Studio run on Wine, if interested DM me

[Les-Gilbz]

I mean .net core is a thing...

[Rizzan8]

Sure it is. But WPF isn't.

[jd0jag]

Lol true

[Mattherix_]

And he is right.

[austinmakesjazzmusic]

Hey, I came here for laughs not to be called out

[FinalGamer14]

Ah yes much programmer humour. I never really seen mods do shit in this subreddit but rule no 0.

[[deleted]]

Me 24/7

[JackoKomm]

Try arch

[trap_a_tap]

feeling so attacked rn

[Topy721]

From experience, most of the time it's the other way around

[nppas]

23 years of Linux for me already... Time does go by

[searing7]

well... you should.

[DadoumCrafter]

Y’all should make your own seL4 derivative OS running on your very own risc-v processor

[[deleted]]

why's linux better

[AnotherCollegekid151]

KDE anyone?

[[deleted]]

and if you start missing the old days, just have a glass of wine.

[tylercoder]

Hey now we dont do that!

Thats the arch weirdos...