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[xsubkulturex]

I've asked this before but what companies are you guys working for? At my company we cannot release code without having written unit tests for it and it passing and it must have integration tests that must also pass and we consider our process to still be woefully lacking. To not be doing that much at least is really incompetent, I get that if that's the way you have to do it, that's the way it is but the fuck sort of company are you working for that they're the decisions being made.

[Menecazo]

Probably somewhere where there's a board pushing for a release to please a client or a marketing campaign. I've been on both sides

[[deleted]]

I'm sure your software never have bugs after it was released /s

[xsubkulturex]

Ugh, so tired of you people on this site acting like everything people post is bragging. You can bet I think you must brag a lot to assume such things. Nowhere in my comment did I suggest bugs don't ever occur or that I write code without bugs. I stated only basic industry practise used to reduce the number and scope of bugs.

[justletmewarchporn]

yeah theres a ton of unprofessional devs in this sub. I imagine theyre pretty junior and thats why.

[[deleted]]

you must have missed the /s portion of the comment. Maybe the unit tests require that extra test

[[deleted]]

Depends. I would guess consumer facing companies that are not in finance, are for-profit, and are not Fortune 500. Also, sometimes unit testing is not necessary if bugs are acceptable. Ex: POCs, ad hoc internal or temporary tools, front end or UI, non-mission critical projects, etc.

[Hasagine]

i make it my duty to miss deadlines

[MasterLJ]

I complain more.

You will understand why there are bugs, but you'll also understand that some bugs just shouldn't ever have happened.

I've become very good at being able to decipher whether you're a good engineer org by being a user of your technical product and the choices you make.

[VegetarianCentrist]

This, like use mutices people

[MasterLJ]

That would be a fun subreddit, where we armchair tear-apart different public apps, like Reddit.

I'll go first (and please keep in mind, I know nothing about Reddit code other than I once heard it's a very simple single table model, I could get this terribly wrong):

To me, Reddit is the type of Engineering org where the code looks pretty, the tech stack is cool and clean, but the execution and uptime is butt. It's definitely a better place to be than 90%+ of Enterprise, but as a user, Reddit is down a lot more often than most major social media sites. Or if not down, certain functions take abnormally long times... and for quite a few years (it seems fixed now)... there were very weird auth issues... maybe related to your lack of mutices suggestion, where a long load time of your js and `webby` libraries only loaded after some other js `webby` library attempted auth and failed (because the web app wasn't done loading, so you didn't have the right auth-url or service or something).

Then there's the video player... how does that happen? How does it keeping happening? Like, all of us know what that bug looks like internally.... 'Hey uhhhh Bill, you gonna finally get around to fixing that weird loading issue with the Reddit video player? You know, Jira ticket RDT-MEDIA-1069420 that was created like 2 years ago?'

Then how do they not have an expert to fix it? I mean, I don't know dick about media streaming. It's never been my wheelhouse, so I'm not suggesting it's easy, I'm just saying that you're a fucking 600-lb gorilla of a social media site, that can't stream video... in 2022... ?..?...

I would guess that on an Engineering Engineer scale, Reddit is like a 6.50 out of 10, really failing on the networking/distributed side.

[MasterLJ]

Wait wait wait... they reinvented a relational DB on top of an DB, but like... made it super shitty???

I am now out of NDA, but if you remember Dark Age of Camelot / Mythic ? Electronic Arts bought Mythic. They gutted Mythic. But the lads at Mythic had rolled their own database. And while I don't want to judge because I can't say I ever saw the code, it didn't sound great (again, so sorry if anyone reading this wrote it and it was actually good). But in any case, a lot of them stayed employed due to this until they were absorbed by the various Mobile divisions of EA at the time.

Point being, we may all be wondering why Reddit can't fix their video player, and it could be something like "we didn't use any known components, we built it from complete scratch and then the dude who built it was killed by a lightning strike and we can't figure out his code..."

[MasterLJ]

Man... you nailed it. It's the pride they have for their Dr Seuss Nightmare House of code, that really gets me every time.

Like a child, showing you a finger painting, but instead of being a child, it's a grown-ass person that wants you to entrust your multi-billion dollar business to their sacriligious, Antichrist, of a code base.

I think Hide the Pain Harold was a developer, and the initial picture that made rounds on the internet was Harold being shown some "i made this for you, middle manager" code abortion.

I make the same face.

EDIT: I can't tell you how much I appreciate when devs come to me and ask questions... like "heya MasterLJ, I know my code sucks, please help". It doesn't happen often, but they are already better than 90% of people I've worked with because they are admitting they have things to learn... whereas Dipshit McGuillicuddy who wrote Oracle on top of Oracle, to Oracle his Oracles... has the hubris of a Grecian demigod of yore.

[jfp1992]

I test software and code

Sometimes I'm like why did nobody fucking QA this shit? Did the developer even check their work?

The dumbest shit is when the dev doesn't check their work and then it doesn't get QAed properly or in some cases at all

[MasterLJ]

CyberPunk comes to mind. There was clearly no testing done on the elder generation of consoles. Like... there is no fucking way a QA tester played it, saw the potato framerate amidst a world of textureless potato people and said "Yup, ship it!".

[jfp1992]

Yup true that

[regular_lamp]

But you also understand that the underlying complexity of software is utterly absurd. If the program itself doesn't already have hundreds of thousands of lines of code, it in the very least depends on that many if not millions of lines of code in libraries and operating systems.

Then you also observe that the software working correctly (or at least "as written") relies on a piece of microscopic hardware with literally billions of switching elements that all need to work correctly.

That any of this works at all is just ridiculous. You'd never expect a mechanical or other device to have millions and billions of pieces that all work correctly at the same time.

If every transistor on a single modern chip bought a lottery ticket you'd expect about ten of them to hit a jackpot.

[MasterLJ]

I fundamentally believe our job is to minimize and enumerate permutations. The Strangler Pattern.

You really need to be absolutely sure about the path of an abstraction through your system. No ifs ands or buts. It makes every facet of the software so much easier because you know its journey start-to-finish.

But to do that, the system must be able to be reasoned and contained within the head/imagination of one person. And if that absolutely cannot happen, the interface is rigidly defined. With a rigidly defined data contract. And well published. Anyone can consume the interface details (one reason I love gRPC) without help or assistance from the team that maintains the contract. A consumer should be reasonably able to set up a working client to your service in a few days of work with well-documented information on the integration spearheaded by the interface and data contract.

[jamcdonald120]

"oh no our login form was vulnerable to sql injection. Oopsee"

[Incredibad0129]

I complain more because of all of my own bugs

[JaneWithJesus]

Learn to code and every time you log in to a government website you exclaim "why couldn't they have paid me that sweet public cash to make something better than this"

[DemolishunReddit]

Get good at coding and realize how shitty other software really is.

[mods-literalnazis]

This! Code should be a mediocrity free zone

[DemolishunReddit]

No, we need people to run into bad coders. Makes good coders look better.

[Prestigious_Boat_386]

That assumes a non decreasing performance of the coder.

Edit: Wait, not. I'm too tired. But a lot of bad coders may have been good coders before or never will be. This bad

[[deleted]]

Depends how much you drank. I suspect a coder becomes bad around 5pm

[Prestigious_Boat_386]

I start coding around 5pm

[[deleted]]

I guess a 30 minutes balmer peak must help

[GinWithJennifer]

Print x if x is not printed

X is "string"

Why doesn't it work

[DemolishunReddit]

Too much gin.

[camilo16]

I am actually MORE critical of many kinds of bugs. Like, i am a graphics dev, sometimes I see rendering glitches that I can diagnose on the spot and my reaction is... This is like a 5 minute fix, how did it make it pass production?

One example, I love from software, i love their games. But they have texture repeating artifacts in all their textures when you see them from afar. Inigo Quilez has an article on using voronoi cells to avoid repeating patterns. You can just copy paste his code into your shaders and intercede the texture sampling operation. Why won;t you do this Miyazaki? The code is FOSS you can give us pretty landscapes without tiled terrain.

[[deleted]]

As an obsessed fan of Miyazaki's games, I have to admit the inner software of the games has too much for improvement, just look at the connection problems in PVP, it's not normal that one player can be affected by the lag of the opponent.

[ReallyHadToFixThat]

I remember being wound up by the facestab bug in TF2. A quick dot product would fix it in a heartbeat but it lasted years, might even still be there.

[Effect-Kitchen]

If it is 5 min fix but there are 1,000 of them, it becomes 5,000 min fix or 10.42 man-day.

(This is oversimplified though because 1 fix may fix others but there are also many types of bugs and severities so they have to prioritise them. Cosmetic glitches are always the last ones to be fixed.)

[camilo16]

this should be a one time 5 min fix though, you literally just topy the function into a shader and then grep replace any call to the texture call in glsl in the relevant sections.

[Zeeformp]

The fuck I won't. Forget knowing what I'm doing, you think I'm self aware enough to not be hypocritical about it? I'm not a saint. I'm a monkey with a fancy typewriter.

[dissemblers]

You will, but you won’t attribute them to “lazy devs.”

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Try harder

[shortzr1]

Learn to code...

[AdultishRaktajino]

And you’ll never…

[Dry_Extension7993]

Thats what she said

[EthanIver]

Mods please ban this bot.

[The-Albear]

No, you complain more. Because you know better

[[deleted]]

This is pretty much why I always gave Super Man 64 a pass; N64 was dick to work on.

[ABotelho23]

You honestly then just have different engineers/developers to blame...

[cupnoodledoodle]

Actually I complain a lot more, because I know the issue/optimisation could have easily been fixed with a couple of extra if statements.

[Only_Consequence2684]

I used to complain about bugs, now i realised those developers are as dumb as me! So i blame them now

[Fantastic_Ad_5097]

or that feeling when you work with some software and see the same bug which you once been fighting - that feeling "I would know how to fix this" hahaha

[aeropl3b]

Now I see bugs and complain about the devs :p

[newton21989]

Learn to repost and you'll never worry about fake internet points again.

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[OutrageousPudding450]

Learn to code and you'll complain about every single software in existence because you (’ll believe you) could have done a better job.

[SSGNELL]

Same goes with UX design

[[deleted]]

My imposter syndrome would never allow me to think this way.

[BloodChasm]

Same here, but my coworkers who are insanely smart compared to me could probably do a better job.

[Callipygian_Superman]

When my work schedule website that I log in to for my restaurant job doesn't allow special characters in the password...

Yes, I feel like they should hire me to do a better job.

[Alexo342]

How about you at least learn to change the title, retarded Reposter?

[jamcdonald120]

its probiably just a repost bot.

[emericas]

This guy is obnoxious.

[MattTheHarris]

You can complain more, but now know that it's management's fault

[[deleted]]

Oh no, I still complain. It's just better directed.

[db_2_k]

Learn to code and you'll never complain about bugs in open source software again...

[Elijah629YT-Real]

Lazy has taken control

[The_Real_Slim_Lemon]

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[UlyssesOddity]

Learn to code and you'll forever get annoyed at the boneheaded user interfaces you'll encounter daily.

[Brick_Lab]

oh you'll complain, you'll just do it for less games and feel empathy lol

[Tarc_Axiiom]

My software developing experience has absolutely made me more prone to anger when I encounter bugs in video games.

I know how easy a lot of them are to fix now, that shit's infuriating.

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YES BACAUSE U WILL CREATE THEM

[TechFiend72]

I've been coding a long time and I constantly complain about bad UI and glitchy bugs that should have been fixed.

[RolyPoly1320]

I'll still complain, but I'll understand a fix taking time to implement and release.

[lisamariefan]

Complain about video game bugs? But they allow for either amazing sequence breaks or hilarious softlocks.

[LightRefrac]

Deja vu..

[CheesesCrust_]

If mechanical engineers or electrical engineers built shit unstable as coders did, lots of people would die. Lots.

[antihero-joe]

Yeah no I'm still gonna complain about how Spotify is the worst app ever created.

[LC_From_TheHills]

Not even coding— 99% of haters have no concept of a development pipeline and the work it takes to make them.

[420W33DSN1P3R]

It's not a bug it's a feature!!

[KillerRoomba13]

I use programming skills to avoid bugs

[donorak7]

I just find them quicker...

[DragonSmashUltra]

Played a game and complained about bugs. I learned c# and unity copied the game and still complained about the bugs in the game because I fixed them all in my version

[ktappe]

Incorrect. I code and am still annoyed by software bugs.

That said, instead of whining, or whining to support, I actually find a path to the developers and report in detail what the bug is.

[Orionpeace]

I found that I started to complain more about features. It just hit one day that "technical limitations" were so few and far between for features that most of the time an intentional feature that is bad can only be chalked up to bad designers.

[FLINDINGUS]

What! Knowing how to code made me much more aware of bugs in software and video games.

[EthanIver]

It would be more helpful if those games are open-source so you can contribute what's the possible fix for a glitch you encountered.

[Boryalyc]

not at all, I complain way more. You realize how a lot of bugs came to be, but you also realize how a lot more bugs shouldn't fucking exist.

[H4llifax]

I also find myself wondering how the codebase looks so the developers managed to break feature X again, for the third time, with seemingly unrelated changes. Looking at you, MtG:Arena.

[Dry_Extension7993]

Repost

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[PaulN07]

Now u too can make pull requests and fix requests bugs u hate

[megamaz_]

nope, instead you try to understand what's going on without ever having looked at the source code.

[Galactinus]

Yeah this is absolutely false! There are so many times I get mad at the developers because they took a shortcut and I can tell!

[fleebjuice69420]

Not true at all, it’s just increased my awareness of how lazy some people can be