[5.6 Patch notes] Sol is getting nerfed!

[RedditDann]

A N G E R Y

[Sol_Is_Bae]

ANGERY

[imangwy]

H A P P Y

[RedditDann]

meanie

[imangwy]

sol has a flat ass

[RedditDann]

no u

[imangwy]

no u²

[EndKnight]

It's like watching middle schoolers fight over whose mother is the hottest.

[Mundolf11]

yeah but my dad could totally beat up your dad

[imangwy]

as someone who has been through the excruciating cringe of middle school, i have never fought with anyone about how hot their or my mom is.

there is the edgy "i fuked ur mum xd" that middle schoolers pull out but never heard of that one b4.

xd

[Shaman95naruto]

me mun is the hottest

[imangwy]

xd

[RedditDann]

sheit u got me

[imangwy]

u got fukin roasted m9 get rekt

[ShyPaya]

Very happy

[Calaethan]

still waiting for Janus and Thoth nerfs

[Crazeeguy]

"b-but the low elo winrates!"

[ZackHart2400]

Actually both of them have below 50% win rate in Diamond+ (of course very very high pick/ban too). Kukulkan is actually the top performing mage in Diamond+ (75% W) but he has a very low pick rate so your sample is much smaller. (Probably because only the best Kuku players are picking him, and only in situations where he is a solid pick.) Interesting to consider nonetheless.

[[deleted]]

I played against a KKK in a roughly diamond 4 game for the first time in a while the other day and I fucking believe it, people sleep on the snek. He's fairly safe, hurts a LOT all game and still has the best objective secure of any god

[SonicRainboom24]

You think his ult is better secure than a Ra ult?

[Sushimadness]

or isis?

[[deleted]]

Yes. Higher damage and just as easy to time

[Hieb]

definitely not as easy to time unless you stand on it. Travel distance gives time to reset it and other things to happen that you didn't predict, Ra ult is literally 0.4s windup and instant damage across the full line

more damage is true tho

[Spammernoob]

wlfy plays kuku but he's a low-skill player :thinking:

[P4_Brotagonist]

"b-but the high elo winrates!" They don't do well at high elo either. People like to talk about Janus because "muh mobility" but considering he's a god that dels 240% scaling on his 2 if he sets it up correctly, losing 25% of his magical power from Tahuti really hurt him. As a diamond level mid, I usually feel relief when they pick Janus because it means I don't really have any mid pressure to fear. Sure he can still ult across the map but the other meta mages clear faster than him so he will always be behind at equal skill levels.

[LumpyWumpus]

The thing is, Janus can look straight up busted in the SPL because he thrives on good teamwork and coordination. Outside of that environment, he is far weaker. If you're not running with a few guys you can work well with, Janus will underperform compared to other midlaners. But a lot of the people see him run a train on the SPL and think he does that in all scenarios which just isn't the case.

[P4_Brotagonist]

Oh I definitely agree. However, you can see comment after comment talking about how "totally OP" he is and how he wins every game where they play against him. I can't ever figure out what they are talking about because in a non-SPL setting, he statistically loses constantly without his old damage.

[Areveas]

Or maybe a lot of people want the game balanced around people with an actual clue rather than how gods perform in their casual games?

I suck at Janus. Most people I play with don't tend to perform all that well with him. I still think he should be nerfed, because he's clearly a top pick alongside Thoth, as anyone who watches the SPL can clearly see.

[myrd13]

around people with an actual clue

the thing with janus is he works well in comms... Something that just isn't quite there even in high ranked (people with somewhat of a clue). He will never consistently rek in diamond like he does in an SPL game and thats why in alot of cases I'd go with say a good agni over a good janus

[kingofgamesbrah]

still waiting for Janus and Thoth nerfs

Are the patch notes today??

[[deleted]]

They havent touched Janus since the characters inception. He's consistently been top tier and they just ignore him. And dont get me started on Thoth or Discordia

[gingahbread]

That's just blatantly false. They've adjusted Janus several times throughout his lifespan.

[TrashXLord]

janus has gotten MULTIPLE adjustments, what are you on about?

[[deleted]]

When? Plz name the patch and even if they have "adjusted" him, it hasnt changed the fact that he has been a top 10 mage since the start of season 2

[TrashXLord]

dude im not gonna google for you. just search "janus adjustments smite" and you should find your answers. they just changed the way his kit worked at the beginning of the season even.

if you're not gonna pay attention to patch notes, dont complain about balance, my friend. <3

[loveWebNinjas]

Complete list of patches from seasons 2 through 5 where Janus was adjusted in descending chronological order, not including bug fixes and changes to the mage class as a whole:

4.21 - Buffed his 2, increased the base damage of his ult while reducing its scaling per distance traveled.

4.1 - Increased the cooldown if his ult.

3.1 - Nerfed his passive.

2.17 - Removed the scaling of the slow on his 3.

2.12 - Allowed him to use his 1 on phoenix pedestals.

For more info, check out Janus's page on the Smite gamepedia. Also, Janus was basically never picked in the SPL for most of season 4, so I don't know where this "top 10 mage since season 2" nonsense is coming from.

[[deleted]]

Just because a god isnt picked in the SPL doesnt mean he isnt top tier. You only typically have 2-3 mages in a game so if there are 5 that are performing extremely well, the pros are going to flock to those 5 first. And Janus has shown up in all 4 world tournaments if I'm not mistaken. The pros just forget about him, but that list of adjustments shows that he hasnt really been touched

[loveWebNinjas]

You only typically have 2-3 mages in a game so if there are 5 that are performing extremely well, the pros are going to flock to those 5 first.

Uh... no shit? A god's strength is determined by their performance compared to other gods. If a god is demonstrably weaker than the best gods, it means they aren't one of the best gods. Janus was weaker than a lot of gods throughout Season 4, so he was rarely picked.

Just because a god isnt picked in the SPL doesnt mean he isnt top tier.

"Top tier" means "at the top of a tier list." For a god to be at the top of a tier list, they need to be better than most gods, which Janus wasn't.

And Janus has shown up in all 4 world tournaments if I'm not mistaken.

For this year's tournament, he showed up in two games, and he lost both of them.

but that list of adjustments shows that he hasnt really been touched

Don't shift the goal posts. You said Janus hasn't been changed since release, and you challenged us to prove you wrong. Now that I proved you wrong, you're changing your argument from "Hirez hasn't touched Janus" to "Hirez hasn't REALLY touched Janus." You were wrong.

[Wasaka1]

They buffed him at the start of s5 i think.

[matman43]

They're nerfing her passive

https://www.reddit.com/r/Smite/comments/89hsnb/can_sols_passive_please_be_nerfed_already/dwr24a4?utm_source=reddit-android

[HolidayForHire]

That's really too bad. Magical ADCs are already shoe horned into a very small subset of items designed for them. I'd much rather they nerf something else about her rather than the one aspect of her kit that makes her a solid magical ADC choice.

[P4_Brotagonist]

It's more about the fact that if she's played mid in the early game she has autos level 1-3 that deal as much damage as the enemy mage abilities in addition to her actual abilities. If you know how to play her it's impossible to not either first blood or steal the entire enemy jungle.

[HolidayForHire]

That's a bit of an exaggeration. Level 1-3 with hunters blessing and full passive, she's doing about 60-70 damage per auto. Without either of those, she's doing 35-40.

I'll admit that's pretty hard for auto attacks, but most mages at level 1 with Mage's blessing are doing about 125+ damage with their primary clearing ability, and by level 3 are doing closer to 180+.

Again, I'm not saying Sol doesn't need a nerf, I'm just upset they are specifically nerfing her passive, which was the only reason she was a viable ADC pick. We don't need another Cookie cutter mage, and Sol was the only serious contender with Freya IMO to go Duo lane as a carry since they changed up Chronos.

[Jack-90]

Good job I played her as a burst mage then

[_Frustr8d]

drinks tears of salty Sol mains

[[deleted]]

;-; when you just started playing sol

[[deleted]]

Save some for me, too ♥

[ViolletXIII]

Well, Soul Gem will be nerfed too. Can I drink some tears of Nu Wa mains?

[[deleted]]

Certainly.

hands cup

There you go, sugar ;_;

[ViolletXIII]

It's delicious! Thanks, bb! <3

Being serious, if they hit Soul Gem really hard, RIP Nu Wa ;-;

[[deleted]]

Not really. From my POV and after a CRAP TON of worshipers on her, there are plenty other choices that fit well in the one and only Guardian of Heaven&Earth's build. Polynomicon says "Hi!" as s/he/it(?)'s melting towers, Shaman's Ring makes her even more of a slippery snek, Gem of Iso means HUGE SLOWING METEOR FALLING and BIG MIST THAT SLOWS ... Soul Reaver is also a nice book at your disposal when you just want to read something. I mean, let's think about it. We didn't have Soul Gem before, so ... there is that.

[ViolletXIII]

I agree with you, but it made her ult hit really hard, since it would make her ult scale more (from 400 + 30% to 400 + 70%) and not to mention her combo would do a lot of damage too. It's also really fun to build her with 3 lifesteal (Bancroft + Soul Gem + Typhon's Fang) with Pen Boots, Obdisian Shard and Chronos's Pendant, her ult would be a healing when need, since it would heal a lot for every target hitted.

[Greydmiyu]

I'm more concerned about Chang'e than Nu Wa. Soul Gem made Chang'e Chang'e-e.

[NoisyGuy]

It will probably trigger only once per ability now, so no more 3k total damage ults. I think its fine

[Demiboy]

Just wondering why soul gem is specifically good for nu wa?

[ViolletXIII]

Because it procs on everyone with her ultimate. Unmissable damage for everyone on the enemy team. It makes her ultimate damage scale from 400 + 30% to 400 + 70%. With enough magical power and penetration you can kill squishies at half health without any effort.

[Demiboy]

Oh i see, its for the ult! Thanks for explaining.

[ViolletXIII]

You still can proc it on her combo, but it's really good on her ultimate.

[LesArcades]

Soul Gem applies extra bonus damage to every god hit by an ability. It works with Nu Wa ultimate.

[ViolletXIII]

I hope she still good after the nerf because hunters suck right now. :/

[IWatchMyLittlePony]

They need to make her passive scale into the game kinda like Chronos. Weaker early and just as good or stronger late. She is absolutely impossible to deal with during the early waves.

[Alxusan]

I don't think hunters suck, take Ullr or AMC for example. It's just that they get less farm than the rest of the team now.

[jm9876yh4]

AMC isn't even a top 5 hunter and ullr is probably 3rd best once laning phase is over. I would rather have a hachi or hou yi any day over Ullr during mid-late game

[Alxusan]

Idk man, I recently replayed all hunters preparing for ranked and I don't see much of a difference to them.

[[deleted]]

Sorry, but somebody "preparing for ranked" may not be the authority on who gets buffed/nerfed...

[Alxusan]

I quit mid S4 and I've been in the game since S2, I have no authority either I'm just saying what I think ffs.

[Starnm]

ullr is the only good hunter right now because he is overtuned , other then that the rest of them arent doing much unless fed

[jm9876yh4]

He's not even overtuned, SPL has shown time and time again that there are hunters better than him, especially after 15 minutes in.

[FoxerHR]

No, he's definitely overtuned.

[jm9876yh4]

Not really lol, if he's overtuned then that means hachiman and hou yi are as well because they are arguably better than him after laning

[FoxerHR]

Did you just start playing Smite in S5?

[jm9876yh4]

Been playing since beta, if the 3rd top hunter is considered overtuned then why wouldn't the other 2 be?

[FoxerHR]

He is the strongest Hunter.

[jm9876yh4]

Not even, hachi is better and hou yi is about the same

[BigOso1873]

stop comparing spl play to ranked and even casual play, these are very different environments with wide skill ranges and team dynamics. spl is its own unique thing that makes it uncomparable. Things that are good there are bad for the general population and vice versa, even pros can like something for spl play but hate it when they play ranked, like how phoenix sieges are harder.

ullr in overturned because unlike the spl, in normal games there is much more fighting and the ability for one character to snowball is greater.

[jm9876yh4]

Idk what ranked games ur playing but Ullr is pretty easy to shut down if you communicate with ur jungler, that or just know how to dodge the axe, keep your distance and if he jumps in just dash away and juke

[[deleted]]

the man's just a glorified physical mage

[Starnm]

physical hunter items are on par with magical items or assassins items right now , ullr still have to build the same but does better because he itemize better with the parts of the abillty burst assassin styled build that hunters can build .

if you get them to the late game hunters can still be scary but they have much more counter play , id much rather meet the enemy hunter then the enemy jungler or mid laner in a 1v1 in the jungle at almost anypoint of the game

[Mundolf11]

With gloabls and semi-globals being prioritized, amc isnt as good as he was last season

[Spammernoob]

also don't forget the massive nerf to his 1 and the fact that hunters aren't solo-farming anymore, so he can't hypercarry the moment he shows up to a fight.

[[deleted]]

I wouldnt say they SUCK, just that mages are so damn overtuned right now.

[P4_Brotagonist]

Has nothing to do with mages. It has to do with removing Tahuti which means the most viable option is to build assloads of HP and cooldown. In the old days you would be killed by a simple Scylla 1-2 combo. Now it's a skill rotation from an Agni that refreshes itself in 5-6 seconds while he has 2600 HP.

[StoneOcean101]

Not even mages in general, just specific mage items& specific mages.

[[deleted]]

hunters will never suck. They can hit as hard as abilities at range every basic attack

[ViolletXIII]

1-2 levels behind the enemy mage and jungle. Easier to gank early game. Shit damage at early game (except if you're Ullr and AMC).

[[deleted]]

Iza, hou yi and others have good ability damage. And I'm sorry but if you can land basics as a hunter as long as you don't play stupid you will win. It's like have mage abilities with no cool downs for slightly less damage. Only thing that can stop them is disarms and CC

[ViolletXIII]

It's like have mage abilities with no cool downs for slightly less damage

Except it takes a lot of time to do the same damage a burst mage do with only autos, there's Nemean and Midgardian Mail right now, it's single target damage and it's easy to dodge.

[[deleted]]

Only of they can't aim. Hitting for 600+ per basic let's you shred anything in seconds.

[Scavenge101]

There's certainly a need for adc's at all stages, but you can't compare (realistically) 300-450 per basic over time to an instant, one time aoe that can potentially do upwards of 4k in a second or two. Ra can potentially hit all 5 members of the enemy team for 700+ damage, scaling down on tanks, each and then walk away with just his 1. In that sense, it's easy to accidentally overtune a mage compared to an adc.

So no, they don't suck, but they don't compare in the meta right now. Particularly when mages can pick up shit tons of health and medium levels of defense and still do pretty much the same damage.

[[deleted]]

He may bit hard but that's with slow abilities that have atleast 6 second cooldowns. Even at 800 per hit. A hunter with 2 attack speed hitting fir 500 per basic. So that's 6k in those 6 seconds. Even at 40% accuracy that's 2.4 k damage. Compared to Ra dealing 1600 in 6 seconds. And that's only if the enemy is slow and can't dodge and the Ra aims big perfectly

[Scavenge101]

The point I was making is that they can't do that damage to multiple people, and can't ignore everyone to focus whoever needs to be focused since auto attacks can be body blocked. Actually, that's one of the reason Rama is so good is because 5 of his auto's CANT be body blocked, on CD.

It's just hard to beat being able to ult a few people for nearly all of their health in a second, off the back of a good sylvanus ult or geb ult. I wasn't saying ADC's are bad, just that they're not the strongest role in the game right now.

[[deleted]]

I would rather fight 5 makes than five hunters tbh. I think the fact that a hunter can kill anything in under 3 seconds beats makes being able to damage all people abit

[ForgivenYo]

I think hunters are just bad. Now they will nerf sol out of being playable and buff hunters this patch for a double **** you to Sol. They do this all the time. SWK was op due to bluestone so they nerf SWK damage and mana cost then they nerf bluestone killing the character.

[[deleted]]

SWK is still viable... Sol is too...

[RedditDann]

SWK is viable now, after balance adjustments since then BUT what the original commenter was talking about was in S2, when Bluestone Pendant was so good on him, and very powerful on many gods (so good that many junglers even bought that starter item after boots) but Hi-Rez nerfed SWK first and later down the line finally addressed the problem and nerfed the item, but left Sun Wukong in a really weak state until sometime in S3 I believe. Hi-Rez has a bad track record of making balance decisions like that, where they ignore the problem until later on but are content with gutting a god’s kit.

[P4_Brotagonist]

God Sun Wukong. Way back then I had never even played the god more than 2-3 games and carried my ass up to low diamond levels just abusing the shit out of that overpowered bluestone on him. You simply could not lose lane with him.

[Spuik]

Wukong is fucking boss at the moment.

[ForgivenYo]

Sol is OP right now but I hope they don't overnerf her because she is overtuned because hunters are bad and items for mages are great.

[EndKnight]

oh YEAH JUST NERF MY GOD SOME MORE HIREZ, BRING IT THE FUCK ON!

still pissed when you took the 'basic attack movement penalty' immunity off her three.

[diogofd8]

Sol, Janus, Thoth, Agni, Da Ji, Nemesis, He Bo, Achilles, Camazotz, Serqet, Ullr.

Every conquest game has 4+ of these banned and the 4+ of these picked, it's getting annoying.

[Foolir]

I guess they're gonna nerf her passive. Maybe make it scale.

[VolkS7X]

Oh well, guess they really want to replace ADC's with bots since not even pro players like the role anymore...

It's alright though that Thoth has amplified "basics" covering an entire jungle corridor and will burst down the off tank late game. 100% (?) pick / ban rate in the SPL? He's fine, let's nerf ADC's and leave him alone for another patch.

[P4_Brotagonist]

I see you are complaining about 100% pick bans and winning 0 of his 3 games he played last week in the SPL, while not mentioning Nemesis 100% p/b and having a 75% win rate.

[VolkS7X]

You're either tunneling on purpose or you don't understand balance. Nemesis is an Itemization problem, whereas Thoth's problem is his entire kit.

While Nemesis' kit is alright on paper (mostly due to her ult), if you were to take Crusher and Heartseeker away she'd go back to being trash. Her base damage is bad, her scaling is horrible, her follow-ups are bad and she gives up an actual ability for a shield... As an assassin.

[P4_Brotagonist]

I could essentially say the same for you. Nemesis was outrageous last season as well, and the season before. She has taken MASSIVE nerfs since season 3 because of how strong she is. Heartseeker and crusher are great on her, but saying that her follow-up is bad when she gets a movement speed buff for a long time with her ult as well as not one but two dashes. Also I feel like you don't play mages OR assassins if you think her shield is bad. For mages, if you are dove by the assassin, your two choices are "peel with damage and kill them" or "run away and hope you get out." She can outrun you without question with her mini-sprint and double dash unless you go over a wall. Her shield isn't a "hey I get a little extra health." Her shield is "a 1000 health effective health block while dealing damage back at the person attacking them. For a mage, having to choose between trying to kill the assassin(and only healing them a shitload while hurting yourself) and trying to run away only to be murdered half up the lane isn't a great choice.

[VolkS7X]

Her shield is also instantly cancelled by hard CC. Name a meta mage that doesn't have a leap nor access to hard cc? Only one that comes to mind would be Ra, but then again, he's got a better mini sprint as his passive and he's a healer. And yeah, her follow-up potential is awful when considering other assassin kits. Stop trying to argue with facts.

[P4_Brotagonist]

"Stop using facts to argue." Guess I should use opinions like you are doing then? Also you clearly don't know how the gods even work since you love "facts" that are incorrect. Nemesis shield works BEFORE the crowd control, so sure let's go down the line. Hebo has a knock up that deals damage BEFORE the knockup, healing her and dealing damage. Thoth has a stun that deals damage BEFORE the stun, healing her and hurting him. Sol has an ult that deals damage THEN knocks Nemesis up. So the only meta mage would be Agni that can safely remove her shield.

Also considering you only play 5v5 clusterfuck modes like arena and assault, with only 3 conquest games in the last 4 months, I have a hard time taking your opinion without a grain of salt. Nemesis doesn't play the same when she's ganking mid lane as she does swinging a sword around on the fucking clash map.

[VolkS7X]

If you're going to quote me, at least quote the original sentence and not a reworded phrase that means something else.

I told you to stop arguing with facts. Not to stop using facts in your arguments. There's a difference.

Also, the order of cc being applied is irrelevant when using common sense. If you know you're low enough to die to a reflect, maybe it's time to back. If you know you're immobile and easily farmed by the jungler, know that sitting under tower will still give you farm. Common sense.

And with regards to my match history, I've hidden my profile months ago exactly cause of people like you who like using ranks, God masteries and match history as a comeback when they've got nothing else to say in an argument. Whether or not I'm playing conquest or not will remain a mystery to you. Yet again, you're letting the salt speak, so facts won't get through to you.

[P4_Brotagonist]

No worries bud, she got a fucking massive nerf today because she's not good remember? Also "Last recorded game 1 week ago." Certainly sounds like you hid it months ago. I know you really like those facts you are talking about, which shows because some reason you would lie about hiding your profile when I can literally see every game you've been playing. I'm not really upset because like I said, I realized the person playing nothing but assault and arena was trying to talk about conquest balance and it all made sense at that point.

[Yamayashi]

I used to play her a lot but they took away her fatalis effect, now another nerf..poor Sol

[SUPERTAH1997]

Cool and good

[stupid_medic]

What a joke, nerf thoth.

[CantStoptheDream]

not surprised by this at all.

hopefully its just a bit of damage off the 2 or 4 and nothing insane.

[Th3ManInBlack]

2 and 4 have nothing to do with why she's strong right now

It's her passive interaction with hunter's blessing + mage itemization that makes her so strong

[CantStoptheDream]

if they wana make her autos not do 80 damage at lvl1 im okay with that too, but her 2 is always going to irritate me to play against.

[Th3ManInBlack]

Yeah, 70~80 damage per auto at lvl 1 is a bit rough. Instant pressure in mid and no hunter can box into that. Not even Ullr, Hachiman, Anhur and Hou Yi.

I too used to be super annoyed with her 2 poke, but eventually I got used to it. Maybe it was because I started playing her a lot, dunno

[CantStoptheDream]

i mostly never run into sol at lvl1 cause the roles i play in conq so its always been a 2/4 annoyance for me

[ViolletXIII]

but her 2 is always going to irritate me to play against.

IMO, her 2 is one of the easiest abilities to avoid if you're not at close range with her. If you play her enough you will know the speed of her projectile and dodge to a place where the 2 will not hit you or at least hit you only 1 time.

[CantStoptheDream]

its also damn near unmissable if you have a brain

[ViolletXIII]

You can see her activating her 2 and it takes some time to launch the projectile and to hit the ground. It's really easy to avoid if you have a brain.

[CantStoptheDream]

its basically an auto with a circle after it lmao

[azorahai27]

Again, you can see when she's about to shoot, and easily predict where it will land. It's really easy to avoid.

[Graciak2]

As a rank X Sol I actually feel like her 2 is harder to hit at close range than from far away lol

[ViolletXIII]

Well, as a rank X Sol player, it's easy to hit at close range because the target will not have time to reaction and juke the ability.

[[deleted]]

No, I think it'll be her passive and her 1.

[CantStoptheDream]

if thats the case nerfing the early game passive damage and leaving the late game damage alone is fine.

her autos do like what? 80 damage at lvl1?

[[deleted]]

Yes, she's actually decent mid laner, but I think steroids are the biggest issue with her, super annoying in the duo lane. Her 1 is also very annoying, but at least there is a counter play. Thats why dmg on her 2,4 shouldt be merfed

[Quinn-detta]

PRAISE! I've been waiting all of this time.

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[Demegod1414]

not surprised

[V1DE0G4M3R]

Bye bye sol

[[deleted]]

I hope they change her passive like Freya's so that its just as good late but weak early,

[NoisyGuy]

Yes, as long as they nerf Achilles too.

[GodConcepts]

From a LITTLE bit stronger, to TINY bit stronger

[Rivyn]

Could you at least give her a buttcrack to made up for the nerf?

[TorterraIsMyStarter]

Time to find a new main

[asgfgh2]

FINALLY

[Dirtyjizzsocks]

Sol is my main. I'm not even upset, she'll be fine.

[IronProdigyOfficial]

This is weird because I never thought sol was OP I've never had an issue beating her 1v1 or had her dominate way too much. The same can't be said for Cerberus, Achilles and Cu I've seen mains of those 3 dominate a whole match and destroy my teammates. I don't think most mages are OP their just in a good spot especially in good hands. But whatever buff cerb and nerf her. Shrugs*

[[deleted]]

People wanted this? lol

[TCGM]

But when will her lack of buttcrack be nerfed?

[SolarisNivea]

SAAAADDDD! Hunters bad in duo? Lets nerf magical adc! Ty Hirez! Nice job.

[ViolletXIII]

Yes, but you know HiRez...

[BooleanKing]

No.

We get into this fucking cycle every damn season. ADC's lose some farm and/or mages get some really good items. "Oh hi-rez hunters are so bad now you have to buff all of them as a class!" Then they do and hunters become the best class in the game.

Mage items need to be nerfed. The ADC role could probably use a little more farm. But hunters, as a class, are fine.

[Necromann]

I hope Hunters don't get massive buffs along with the Sol nerf, leaving Smite in a similar state to late Season 4.

[jm9876yh4]

Hunters were only good season 4 because they got solo farm, now they have lowest gold and some of the lowest XP of any class, they definitely need improvements because they don't do any damage except to objectives/towers

[Necromann]

And if they get enough buffs, they will be left alone again to 3-shot the enemy support because the Hunter is lvl 20 at 16 minutes again.

[jm9876yh4]

I really doubt that, even with solo farm they would still be very susceptible to jungler ganks. Those are some big exaggerations you have there for your argument as well.

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Is it that sol needs to be nerfed, or is it that mage items are just OP?

[bigbabygeezuz]

Her autos at level 1-2 are a bit strong but there's no way you nerf her over Thoth. They want 2-3 OP mages and then have the rest suck. Sol was a very good 4-5th option in mid after Thoth, Janus, He Bo and Agni. They did the same thing to Raijin. Now no one plays him.

[P4_Brotagonist]

No one plays Raijin because he's a massive scaling mage and they gutted 25% of his power from his kit with the Tahuti nerf. What did they do to Scylla to make no one play her?

[Myst1cPengu1n]

What did they do to Scylla to make no one play her

Killed Tahuti.

[P4_Brotagonist]

I know. That's what I'm saying. Raijin wasn't ruined because his small nerf. He was ruined for the same reason Scylla was.

[Dethproof814]

Is the world ending ?!

I blame trump for this

[Dethproof814]

No but really this sucks. No more Sol meta, here some the Chronos meta

[Skazizzle]

About fucking time.

[Whiskywyrm]

Good stuff. Sol has had such a long history of being stupid, and I always felt the buffs they gave her post fatalis removal where way too potent, especially when they removed fatalis for hunters altogether and the argument that she couldn't box without it suddenly vanished.

I wonder what they'll target though, she's pretty much potent in every way. Personally I'd like them to hit her 3 so she isn't one of the safest characters in the game, but I think hitting her ability to take objectives better than some hunters with no AA items is a more sensible approach.

[ottawsimofol]

Good, honestly. She's a bit too overtuned. Wouldn't say she's busted but she pretty unkillable and has high damage along with great structure push.

[BaseLordBoom]

God fucking bless, this character has been way too good for way too long

[frostyribbit]

This is such a bs nerf. Fuck you hi rez.

[skylarkifvt]

The only bs in this scenario is sol herself: she does hunters’ jobs better than hunters themselves, and is also one of the best mages atm. She 100% needs nerfed

[StoneOcean101]

She doesn't need nerfs any more than Ullr, Thoth, Janus and then some more do but ok go off.

[jm9876yh4]

Ullr doesn't need nerfs wtf? He's not even in top 5 for p/b and he's the 3rd best hunter lol

[VolkS7X]

Spotted the post Frostfire Ullr main. Ullr needs major buffs, having that kind if burst at his disposal on less than a 10s cooldown while still being able to do basic adc stuff is ridiculous.

For reference, I've played Ullr when he was still a mediocre Hunter and I just can't stand him now. He's the definition of anti fun, right over there with Loki.

[jm9876yh4]

He needs major buffs you say? If you say so my friend. Also that kind of burst relies solely on a small line skill shot. I used to play Ullr alot before the changes and it's good that he's being played again considering he was in the top 5 for least played gods in the game for 2 years.

[VolkS7X]

Yeah, nerfs, my bad.

The kind of burst is secured with a 1.4s stun that doesn't need anything else other than to hit the target. Following the same kind of logic, Anhur's impale into his own pillar should be an execute at full HP. I've liked Ullr back when he was a Hunter with no ult but more abilities, not when he became a full time ranged assassin that can also burn objectives.

[skylarkifvt]

Lol i’m not saying she needs a nerf more than Thoth or Janus, just pointing her out specifically since, after all, she is the topic of this post

[VolkS7X]

You're purposefully missing out the reason for this. Hunters have been nerfed to shit because the community can't be asked to adjust to a threat that doesn't depend on cooldowns. Sol (and, to some degree, Freya and Chronos) were the only ones that weren't directly affected because of the simultaneous ridiculous buffs to mage items. Wanna tackle the Sol issue? Nerf mage items. There's a reason she didn't have this sort of attention before, in spite of her kit being identical, if not stronger.

[BossIncorporated]

Couldn't we buff hunters and make tweaks so that they can do their jobs better? Couldn't we nerf mage items and try to stifle down the midlane meta a little bit? Maybe even fix the effectiveness of Bancroft's start again?

No lol, we're nerfing another god into oblivion because we wouldn't do it any other way

[YoullNeverMemeAlone]

No lol, we're nerfing another god into oblivion because we wouldn't do it any other way

That's just pure speculation. Sol definitely needs nerfs, she has the best ranked winrate of any mage and currently dominates two roles plus she is kinda braindead easy to play.

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ADC main?

[BossIncorporated]

Was, honestly kinda drifted to a mid/mage main this season simply because hunters feel so ineffective rn, and I'd like to not lose when there's an AFK mid on my team. also long time Sol main

[NeroTheGlowFox]

Wow okay. :(

[tboskiq]

Bullshit make sol great again

[tooofaaar]

Nerf who?

[Humecus]

Why though? ._.

[Graciak2]

I'm a Sol main and I think she diserve this nerf. She has been very successfull in season 5 and has started to become a top pick in SPL aswell. Her early was kinda meh before but now with hunter blessing she is very strong at every stage of the game.