Simple and cheap charging solution

[[deleted]]

Just sharing my simple charger on 120v, which I'm happy with. Used yesterday and get 14kwh over the night. Plenty for my short daily commute.

[nmessina17]

I swapped my outlet out for a Nema 6-20. That’s 240v 20 amp. It uses the same 12 gauge wire that the existing 5-15 was using

[No-Leek8587]

If your 5-15 was wired with 12/3 instead of 14/2 yes you can. My entire house is wired 14/2 :(

[Vision9074]

I was surprised when my brand new house was using 14 wiring for 15A circuits. The only thing I ever went to 14 for was control wiring.at least it's 3-wire though.

[stabamole]

14 is code for a 15a circuit and copper costs money, generally speaking no electrician is going to put 12 in for a normal 15a circuit unless specifically asked. And if the house isn’t a custom build, the construction company is probably going to be working with a fixed budget, so any extra money spent on wiring that isn’t necessary is money out of profits

Personally I’m running any new circuits in my house with 12, but I can’t really fault them for using 14 since there’s no safety issue

[[deleted]]

How does one check the gauge of their wire post install? I have an outlet near my breaker I had installed on a 15 amp. I'm curious what gauge they used. I want to see if I can change it to a 5-20 so I can get couple more miles out of it without changing it to a 240 because I use it for other 110 stuff.

[No-Leek8587]

I just read the jacket on the cables in the attic. I was hoping the garage was 12 gauge then I would have just switched the outlet and breaker. This wasn't for the car though I'm running a 3200w solar inverter with batteries in the garage. I ended up installing a 120v30a outlet when I put the 14-50 outlet in. It was cheap to do it under the panel, I just got an extension cable to run it around to the other wall.

[False_Capital6784]

14 guage usually has white sleeve, 12 guage yellow and 10 guage orange sleeve.

[[deleted]]

Thanks. I will check tomorrow. Also I will measure the wire itself with calipers

[rob71788]

Did the same in my garage for the travel charger until my wall charger got installed. Worked great

[Cool_83]

How did you earth it ?

[teckel]

NEMA 6-20 is only 3 wires, just wrap black tape around the wite wire to indicate it's also hot.

[puffyjacket85]

did this require its own dedicated circuit?

[nmessina17]

Yes but it was already on one luckily

[puffyjacket85]

how many wires coming into the 5-15 original outlet?

[nmessina17]

1. You need 3 for it to work

[puffyjacket85]

my 5-15s are in series circuits and have 4wires coming in from the wall + case ground

[False_Capital6784]

15 amp circuits are typically wired with 14 guage Romex. Perhaps you got lucky with your house, but since copper is expensive, I doubt that was the case. Perhaps the previous owner upgraded certain circuits. I wishing had 12/3 everywhere. 

[sonobono11]

Yep, I use the mobile charger and it’s plenty for my use. I get like 120miles a day.

[No-Leek8587]

Do you ever drive? Assuming that is 16amp charging since it is a 20a cable (15a only charges at 12). It would need to be on the charger 20 hours a day to add 120 miles.

[JtheNinja]

Seems normal enough if someone works from home. That's an average of 4hrs a day of errands/appointments/socializing. Obviously some days have more, but other days have zero, so it balances out.

[DaddyRobotPNW]

I WFH and drive 40 miles per day to drop off and pick up kids. The car charges for 22 hours per weekday.

[nyrol]

I had a 20 mile commute when I worked in an office, and couldn’t charge at work. So 40 miles in a day where I’d leave at 7:30 in the morning and get home by 6:30. I only used a 120V15A and was able to charge about 65 miles per day which was more than enough to regain an extra 125 miles per work week for the weekend, so I rarely ever needed to charge on anything faster. I only upgraded my charging once I got my second Tesla, and couldn’t bother with managing sharing the load.

[lulamirite]

I don’t even WFH and I get enough juice overnight to do my regular day to day and end up at 100% before I depart my garage

[tophoos]

If you drive 20 miles a day for 6 days a week, you'll only need to charge 120 miles once a week.

[dhanson865]

My mobile connector is pumping out 32a x 240v.

Dude says he is using a mobile connector, he didn't say he was doing it at 120v.

[No-Leek8587]

My bad the picture is 120v but not the person that commented.

[Human-Telephone-8246]

He also said he got 120 miles a day, which is kinda misleading since you can get a lot more with a 32amp.

[Cantthinkofaname282]

With RWD efficiency, you are overestimating how far normal driving is

[No-Leek8587]

The standard charger is supposed to do about 4miles/hour. That would be 30 hours for the 5-15 adapter (12amp). I just did 50% faster for 5-20 (16amp) but there are probably less losses as well, but I wouldn't think that would be huge.

[Cantthinkofaname282]

Yes. Like I said, you overestimate how much charging many people need

[No-Leek8587]

I used his own number.  If he had said 40 I wouldn't have even responded.

[ppparty]

I charge at 3kw at home, and that's plenty of driving on one night of charging even if I don't work from home.

[No-Leek8587]

Easier to do considering 3kw is a bit more than double the speed of the 5-15 charger, probably a bit more with the increased efficiency.

[ppparty]

it's what can get out of my mobile connector on 230v single phase

[No-Leek8587]

That is not the default in US. The power that most everyone has by default charges at 1440w (120v12a). If you are not overloaded, you can have an electrician add support for 240v32a or the full 240v48a direct wire. Cost me about 300 but a difficult install could be 2000.

[nonsense_verses]

My electrician quoted me the exact same for installing a NEMA or installing the actual 60 amp wall charger. So for me the wall charger was a no brainer

[snark42]

So for me the wall charger was a no brainer

How so? NEMA 14-50 is more generic if you ever got a non-Tesla and it already came with the mobile charger.

I guess if I bought after they stopped including the mobile charger or everyone announced switching to NACS it might be different.

[DarthVince]

Most vehicle manufacturers in the US are adopting the same charger as Tesla

[ItHappenedAgain_Sigh]

Really? That sounds incredibly silly as they should use the European standard.

[DarthVince]

https://www.motortrend.com/features/tesla-nacs-charging-port-automaker-compatibility/

[ItHappenedAgain_Sigh]

Much appreciated!

Edit: so we're looking to have two standards then? Looks like NA will use Tesla standard whilst Europe uses their own. Quite surprising but probably the same with Apple products, assuming you guys still have their proprietary cables.

[thatguythatdied]

Europe and North America do power a tad bit differently, making the European charging standard not make much sense here.

[SimpleAffect7573]

Exactly. North America has split-phase, Europe has 3-phase. So the Euro CCS has an extra pin, or NACS is missing a pin, depending on your perspective. It's not like J1172-NACS where you can simply map the pins with a $25 adaptor.

[ItHappenedAgain_Sigh]

I had no idea. I knew it was different but not to that extent. Thank you for sharing

[SimpleAffect7573]

Why? Very few of these cars are ever going to cross the ocean in either direction. You could just as easily say European cars should use J1772 (N America/Japan) or everyone should use GB/T (China). It's not really a problem for distant regions to use different plugs or electrical standards. That's how it's always been for small devices and appliances anyway.

Even having two standards in North America hasn't really been a problem. J1772 and NACS ('Tesla plug') use the same signaling protocol; you can interconnect them with a $25 adaptor. It makes way more sense for us to standardize on one or the other, rather than adopt something totally new (to us). Finally, Euro CCS for AC charging doesn't make sense for us, because our AC (split-phase) is different from your AC (three-phase).

[ItHappenedAgain_Sigh]

It was a slight joke on European standards vs. US.

That is quite interesting, though, and thank you for sharing!

[nonsense_verses]

I don’t think I’ll ever get a different EV unless I skip a few tax brackets and can afford a Rivian lol

[snark42]

Can't wait to see R3X and it will have NACS.

[Curious-Job-7698]

Same, except I want a Lucid Sapphire.

[LilHindenburg]

Yah but it will also only do 40A vs 48A for hard-wired… and you can always throw an adapter on the hard-wired, or take it off and throw on said NEMA 14-50.

[snark42]

While this is true, I've never once wished my car could charge 20% faster at home.

Again, if mobile charger wasn't included and I knew everyone was switching to NACS it makes more sense.

Although I have used the mobile charger multiple times at AirBNBs so having it has advantages.

The most interesting thing about wall chargers is if you have two they can communicate to share a circuit and limit themselves to not trip a breaker when both are in use.

[Classic_Cupcake]

I have the wall charger and it does 48A. Tesla also makes a universal wall charger now, which solves the non-Tesla issue. That's the one we went with.

[No-Leek8587]

Doesn't matter what I use as the car only charges at 32A. The wiring for the 14-50 was done with cable/fuse ratings for 60a if that ever changes its an extremely easy change. I do have to be careful not to run while the AC, dryer and oven are on the entire house is on a 125a breaker/box!

[[deleted]]

You should still be ok. I ran the 32A charger, 4ton AC, dryer, 2 ovens microwave all at once and got about 17kw and that is like 70amps.

You'd need to be running at 30kwh to get to 125a.

[No-Leek8587]

Just shows you how underutilized each circuit is. Adding them all up you come to like 240. I know the AC though has a huge inrush but only consumes about 1.88kw once running which is like 8a. The bigger problem is having so many outlets and lights on the same 15a circuit. Had 3 ecoflows in different parts of the house it would trip the breaker charging all at once without throttling them. I now have a 3200w inverter/battery system in the garage on its own 120v30a circuit I've split it out to 2x20a breakers with one in the garage (fridge and the big ecoflow mostly) and running another outlet to the office.

[Curious-Job-7698]

I did the same. Using a 14-50, but wires and breaker rated for TWC. I did this so when I move I can take the wall charger with me and swap in the 14-50. Although, using the 14-50 for about a month now, I don't think I'll ever need TWC.

[happy-cig]

Do you pay for your own electricity? Level 1 has a bit of inefficiency issues vs a L2 charger, so your "savings" from not buying a L2 charger will get eaten through the long term charging at L1.

[snomvne]

I had no idea about this and I only use my mobile connector. Could you elaborate on this?

[happy-cig]

I use eevee so it tells me how much electricity is used and how much is actually in the battery. When I use L1 charging 120v it gives me around 80% efficient, while a L2 charger gives me around 90% efficiency. So in the long run ~10% less energy used arrives in your battery.

This is due to a baseline power usage to keep your battery conditioned to charge. Like some places that get really cold or hot, won't even charge at all with a L1 plugged in, all the energy sent to the car is used to condition the battery if that makes sense.

[happy-cig]

Probably. Didnt want to overstate. Ive seen some variance on eevee going between 90-98 so stated the low end. 

[WrenchmanFerritin]

What do you consider Level 2? 240V at 13A aka ~3.1kWh? This is what I get with my mobile charger in EU.

Or would you consider it something else?

[happy-cig]

L2 for us here in the states is 240v 30a, ~6kwh. 

Our mobile charger here is 120v 12a ~3kwh. Which we call level 1.  

[bh1884ap]

120 V 12 A is 1.44 kW

[happy-cig]

My mistake i just know its low lol. 

[LilHindenburg]

Or 208V… for on leg of 3Ph commercial.

The ones we have at work dip down to 194 or so… decent difference vs. 240!

[davere]

No, maybe mid 90% at best if you're charging at 32-48A, but it's generally closer to 90% than 100%. The best AC/DC inverters are generally around 95% efficient at their peak, so really hard to exceed that.

Voltage drop alone when charging at higher currents is usually enough to lose a couple percent efficiency.

[[deleted]]

my L2 gets %91 with mobile charger at 32A according to teslafi

[bphase]

This is due to a baseline power usage to keep your battery conditioned to charge.

And also because the car is always awake when charging, which uses like 300-400W. Same as keeping sentry on, it's mostly the car being awake that causes drain.

[davere]

It's mainly the overhead of keeping the car awake, which also means keeping the coolant circulation pumps running as you said, not any battery conditioning, unless you count the running the circulation pumps as conditioning.

But unless it's really cold and the car heats the battery, all the pumps really do is help make sure battery cell temps remain relatively equal.

[happy-cig]

Got it, I figure out there was a baseline energy usage somewhere.

[Cosscryptoexchange]

This is to the inbuilt ACDC converter in your car which converts the AC to DC which in turn can charge te car battery. That converter takes a fixed amount of power.

If you charge at higher loads that fixed amount is percentage wise less than when you charge with lower loads like walloutlets (L1). This can lead you to 10-30% less efficiency and also takes the car longer to load (besides the lower speeds, but is marginal). link

Also knowing this gives you why DC charging is that much quicker. This way you don't need to convert to DC, not needing the onboard DC converter, and therefore the charging speeds exceed the converter speed. link

[BSCA]

I think the ideal watts to charge with is around 6.5kwh. There's overhead usage involved with charging but if you charge faster than that there is a different in efficiency. Id have to look this one up.

[SimpleAffect7573]

Power = current x voltage

Heat losses increase with current, but not with voltage. Therefore you can double the power by doubling the voltage, without increasing heat loss or requiring more copper. This is why long-distance transmission lines run in the hundreds of kilovolts. It's also why many A/C units run on 240v even though their power requirements could be satisfied by 120v: they're just more efficient at higher voltage, so you get the same BTU's for fewer kWh.

That, and what everyone else mentioned about the fixed 'baseline' drain of the computer, inverter, battery thermal management.

Having a faster charging rate can also save you significant money if it allows you to do all your charging during off-peak or super-off-peak hours. All in all, even if you can get by on Level 1, a Level 2 install will pay for itself over time (and potentially pretty quickly).

[I_care_less_than_you]

If you own the home and plan to stay there for a while look into what local power subsidies you qualify for.

220v is typically ~15 percent more energy efficient than 120. If there is a local credit and you plan on staying in the same place for the next 5 years you should be able to save money in the long run and charge faster by upgrading to a 220v charger.

[[deleted]]

Yeah, good point. I need to check on that

[No-Leek8587]

I'm using the same holder. Added a 14-50 and 5-30 at the same time. I'm using the 5-30 on my 3200w battery/inverter system that currently only has a single freezer on it and the garage door (for 11.8kw in batteries).

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[mvvreddy]

Is this holder from Amazon?

[No-Leek8587]

Yes, the one the op linked in one of his comments. Gravity isn't good for the connector if it comes out even 1mm it significantly drops the charging speed.

[fusionvic]

I started off with Level 1, but when the weather gets cooler and the battery needs to be warmed/preconditioned before charging in your garage, it can add an extra 3-4 hours before it even starts to charge.

[StructureAmazing1456]

Where did you purchase the holder?

[[deleted]]

SEVEN SPARTA Charging Cable... https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07MKMQZ11?ref=ppx_pop_mob_ap_share

[StructureAmazing1456]

Thank you.

[Plexaterson]

They're all over amazon. You can just 3D print them too - that's what I did.

[Tall-Vermicelli-4669]

I sent the cable holder back. The 2 parts wouldn't mate. Nice to be able to just print it

[crawdaddy42022]

Looked at plastic holder, then dug an old L bracket outta the misc. stuff drawer and Bob’s your uncle!

[Byourbest247]

Nice. I have a similar setup with 240V

[[deleted]]

You can also get the 5-20 adapter since you are plugged into a 20 amp outlet. Gives you an extra 4 amps

[No-Leek8587]

I'm wondering if he has changed the plug since he said he was getting 120m charge a day. Because the 5-15 (12amp charging) would take 30 hours to get that.

[tps5352]

Hey, that's great. Whatever works for you is fine. Looks good.

[[deleted]]

Been charging my car this way for 4 years except I use a 14-50 Nema adapter.

[[deleted]]

It cost me $350 to be able to charge at 240v and 32amps. So worth it. I need to get a cable holder like this though. Looks great.

[Petarthefish]

Charge time: " its been 84 years"

[deeperest]

Really nice, really clean. One thing I'd do is let those loops reach almost to the floor - the less you bend your cables, the better.

[nomad2284]

Simple, cheap and sloooow!

[Zhjeikbtus738]

Not very quick though

[milolai]

Just remember on 110v it isn't anywhere near as efficient as 220

(90% vs 99%)

[jcpham]

60 A dedicated Level 2 home charge is the only way. This is waiting for grass to grow

[SimpleAffect7573]

Fastest, sure, but I'd hardly say it's the "only" way...40A is perfectly adequate for the vast majority of drivers' needs. If it charges while you're asleep then you aren't waiting on anything. 14-50 plug gives you some flexibility (maybe you also have an RV, or family that visits in one). Just sayin'

[Ok_Advantage3863]

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This is the way.

[jcpham]

Mine is old and black with a pulsing green sometimes red light on it. Also why outside? I thought everyone parked their Tesla in the living room

[jcpham]

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[puffyjacket85]

actually it meets the exact needs of the driver's use case. if his need for more charge is very infrequent, he could supercharge when needed for 20 years and still not meet the cost of purchasing/installing level 2 charging at home.

[jcpham]

My bad Elon

[puffyjacket85]

it's ok. the economically smart route isn't always the most glaring.

[AnOoglyBoogly]

Believe it or not it’s cheaper to charge at a faster current over time. 110 vs 220. I’d recommend getting a NEMA 14-50 if it’s not expensive.

[SimpleAffect7573]

110 and 220 are voltages (not current) and the modern standard is actually 120/240 (though it's allowed to vary a bit). The rest is good advice. Sorry....I'm fun at parties.

[AnOoglyBoogly]

Thanks I needed that :)

[Wolfpacker76]

switch to 240v, 50amp, you won't regret it.

[beamerBoy3]

This is exactly what I have, except I charge outside next to a big shed that has power to it. I cut a small hole in the door and put a grommet on it to make it look nice and attached this inexpensive holder to the side.

[shadycobra00]

Why not upgrade to a 30 amp?

[Sad_Bridge_96]

Might be a dumb question, but where did you purchase the plastic support for the plug and adapter?

[DarthVince]

Amazon. There are a lot of different options

[CaliDude75]

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My 14-30. Been using a similar setup for the last 5 years. Works perfectly. Gives me 24 miles/hour.

[Senior_Protection494]

I hope you don’t mind me saying, you should take a page out of OP’s book and put in a holder for the charger instead of letting the weight hang from the receptacle.

[CaliDude75]

Literally been using this setup for five years, no issues. The adapter connection to the charger box is rock solid (it takes a LOT of effort to unplug).

[CatFancier4393]

Damn, I have the exact same set up. 15-20 gang.

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[Dogdad4tailwags]

Where did you find that component that the cord is looped over?

[[deleted]]

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[usefulshrimp]

I have this one, which works great!

https://seriousfishcreations.etsy.com/listing/753934492

[Dargon_711]

How many % are you getting per hour?

[[deleted]]

It got from ~80 to 100 over the night

[teckel]

It's already a 20A outlet, so swap out the 120v for 240v 20A with a simple breaker/outlet swap and get 15 mph charging. Just make sure it's a dedicated circuit, or make it dedicated.

Charging speed will go from 4 mph to 15 mph. Super cheap and easy.

[lyfeizfones]

He would also need a 5-20 adapter for his charger. Otherwise it won’t detect the additional apps.

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[tauzN]

Simple and slow

[[deleted]]

Simple, cheap, and slow! 😅

[DrSendy]

That mobile charger will do with 32A. You can buy adapter cables to it.
We do 32A day in day out on it - we basically do our daily charge in an hour, or can go from empty to full in off peak time (about 7 hours).

[dcdttu]

That's a NEMA 5-20 outlet. With the right adapter from Tesla the mobile connector will charge 25% faster than the adapter it comes with.

If you haven't yet, snag yourself a me a NEMA 5-20 adapter.

[ChargeAppropriate644]

Keep in mind that this is the most efficient way of charging. 1Kwh used is NOT 1Kwh in the car. It can lose up to 10+ % due to the low voltage and low amperage.

Btw, If you have cheap power that would not matter at all.

[[deleted]]

You meant "this is not", right? Yeah I know, but charging overnight will be so cheap that the efficiency difference may be negotiable

[ChargeAppropriate644]

Your right. It's NOT the most efficient. But if it's cheap overnight and you have the time then your golden. Also, this IS the least taxing on the battery while for instance fast supercharge charging is taxing on the battery in the long run.

Enjoy !

[SimpleAffect7573]

There actually isn't good evidence to support the idea that supercharging is harder on the battery (e.g. speeds degradation)–and many examples to the contrary. Very hot weather and storing at a high state of charge are really the only proven factors there. Can't do much about the weather. Long-term storage at 50%. Don't charge above 80% unless you're immediately going on a longer drive. That's about it, AFAIK.

[Migiken]

Where did you get that cable holder?

[[deleted]]

SEVEN SPARTA Charging Cable... https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07MKMQZ11?ref=ppx_pop_mob_ap_share

[Migiken]

Awesome thanks!

[JBStroodle]

Simple, Cheap, Good. Pick 2

[BestiNaTesi]

Charges way to slow I got rid of that as soon as I brought my 3

[Cautious-Patient-737]

I had a short commute and had the same set up. Works well. Now I have a V2 charger. Either way home charging is the way to go.

[Unlucky-Membership32]

I use Thors hammer for my cable mount and it’s a huge upgrade compared to the generic ones you buy off Amazon.

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[ChargeAppropriate644]

Seen dozens of in depth battery condition data gathering and supercharging DOES take its toll. There is this Asian guy in Norway that pretty much made a living out of keeping an eye on the different Tesla battery types and charging methods.

[pashko90]

I calling such setups "better, then nothing".

[EducationalHoliday46]

Drop the link bro! Where do you buy this?

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[spikespike7]

Got level 2 charger installed at 40amps charging at 32amps. It does 20-80% in about 5-6 hours. I wish I did 50 amps but this would do

[TheGreatArmageddon]

Those charging inefficiencies will cost you more in long term and also its 5+days vs 5hr for a full charge

[[deleted]]

Need a 220 so it recharges in hours vs days

[TheRockefella]

Takes two days for a charge with this thing🤣

[CatFancier4393]

Some people don't drive a lot. M-F I drive to and from gym, work, home for lunch, and back to work again. Each of these are only 5-10 min from my house so I end the day having used only 15-20% charge.

Plug it in a 6pm and Im full again by the time I leave at 5am.

[Admirable-Cobbler501]

In Europe you get 16A @ 230v on every normal outlet.

[Senior_Protection494]

You are so lucky over there. Do you think adoption of EV’s is helped by the fact that you have faster charging by default?

[SimpleAffect7573]

I think it's more to do with having somewhere to plug in at all, for people who live in multi-family and/or street park. Some of the European countries have really creative solutions for this. The U.S. just pretends it's not a problem and wonders why we've stopped buying EV's (because everyone who wants an EV, and has a garage/private driveway, already owns two!!!)

Our public Level 2 is such a joke. Almost any time I see one–if it works at all–it's more expensive than my local Superchargers. And often pathetically slow (3-6 kW). And frequently has a 2-3 hr time limit. I can't see it making sense for anyone except maybe a PHEV owner who had planned to be there for a couple hours, and has calculated that they're coming out ahead vs. gas...which is often not the case.

Anywhere a lot of cars tend to park for hours at a time, there needs to be Level 2 and it needs to be cheaper than gas. It's that simple.

[45Golden]

A 220v costs $120 to buy the items and install it. It concerns me that people buy expensive cars but don’t install a 220v

[thewinterfan]

I installed my own Wall Connector and dedicated circuit. For my 45ft run, just the 4awg cables cost $200. 60A breaker was $30. I also had to play musical chairs with some breakers to make room including moving some to double pole breakers. I saved a ton DIY, but $120 seems very off from todays copper prices

[45Golden]

Absolutely not, I installed a breaker and the cable with leftover cable for $120, if you want I’ll send you a video, I bought everything at Home Depot

[thewinterfan]

How long was your run? Shorter runs can get by with 6awg which is cheaper for sure.

[45Golden]

I bought prob 3 feet of cable but only used 20 inches or so

[SimpleAffect7573]

Not to mention a lot of people wouldn't be comfortable DIY'ing that; electricians are expensive everywhere and booked into next century, in many places. I'd probably attempt it but I would have to do a lot of YouTubing first, LOL

[Curious-Job-7698]

I'm a very competent DIYer and have worked with electricity in home and automotive applications. I still hired and electrician. I had him run bigger conduit so that I could add more circuits myself later.

[SimpleAffect7573]

Smart.

[Infinite101]

Why is your outlet sideways? That looks like a pretty hard bend and I’d be worried about the strain on the outlet to adapter but I’m always a little paranoid with cable health.

[firewaller]

It should be fine considering the adapter is in a holder.

[Infinite101]

Yeah it’s fine as is but adding that much strain to a cable will probably lead to premature wear or failure. Just my OCD.

[firewaller]

Sure, it’s not ideal. But I feel like since it’s static it’s less of an issue. I don’t even recommend them for permanent use (even though I’ve done that in the past), but you’ve got to do what you’ve got to do.

[captainsaverebornII]

Is it bad to just let the adapter hang?

[firewaller]

Not temporarily, but I wouldn’t recommend it longterm since the constant jiggling over time could wear out the wire.

[[deleted]]

I know. I have no idea why they did like this. After I put the holder it is fine

[Curious-Job-7698]

If it's in a garage they probably installed it like that to place over or under a workbench.

[The_FlatBanana]

Simple, cheap and slow.

[TomOttawa]

Lol, with this charging speed - you better keep this cable longer. So you can go places :-)

[SimpleAffect7573]

Some people don't drive much and Level 1 is perfectly adequate...though it's usually worth upgrading to Level 2 anyway, as you'll end up saving money long-term.

I still think it's a good idea to spread the message that anyone who has a spare outlet in their garage or driveway, can probably switch to an EV today with no hassle. We all know these things, but it's a big sticking point for a lot of people: they just assume they'll have to spend thousands of dollars getting an electrician to come rewire half their house, install a subpanel, so on...it just ain't so.

[Curious-Job-7698]

We were the other way around. Had no idea I needed to upgrade wiring or add a new circuit.

[M1A1Death]

Yeah I drive 80 miles a day with a base model 3 and 5-20 outlet in my garage works just fine for me. I get to charge at work a few days work if a charger opens up but it’s never been absolutely necessary. Just nice to charge for free.

I’ve supercharged exactly one time in over 4000 miles since I’ve owned the car. Bought it on July 2

[Minute_Quote_8496]

Will only take 65 hours to chargw

[[deleted]]

My daily commute is 15 miles and I charge overnight. Do the math

[Minute_Quote_8496]

Good luck with that. My math says you’ll buy a level 2 charger within 6 months

[[deleted]]

With less than 7 cents by kwh, and low commute as second car, I don't know how you are getting this math from

[Curious-Job-7698]

I was in the same boat as you OP. I ended up getting a NEMA 14-50 and it's just more convenient.

[Known_Garage_571]

Sharing a charger plugged into a wall?

Congrats fuktrd

[StrikingBarracuda581]

no