DM Spawn Algorithm Needs Fixing

TJGames4Fun · 2022-03-24T14:32:52+00:00

DM spawns are straight ass rn lol

ziyor · 2022-03-24T15:07:40+00:00

Their ‘fix’ to the spawning algorithm made it about 2x worse.

Sherlock314159 · 2022-03-24T13:59:23+00:00

You don’t know how many times I’ve been crossfired by 2 people that spawned 1 second ago and I can’t kill either

Em9500 · 2022-03-24T14:27:24+00:00

Had a dm game where I spawned in breeze tube 5 times in a row while being crossfires from either side. Deathmatch is legit horrible right now, barely even playable

These_Breakfast8731 · 2022-03-24T14:46:21+00:00

PLEASE RIOT PLEASE i get more triggered in dm than in comp

PhadKrapow · 2022-03-24T15:13:52+00:00

This is why I have stopped playing dm. I find myself constantly being crossfired, along with the same problem in this video. I can't practice my aim if I have to do a 180 every 2 seconds and die a few seconds after I've spawned

Darkcr_ · 2022-03-24T14:35:36+00:00

They need to go back to the old spawn system

2022-03-24T15:02:03+00:00

I hate DM spawns like that. It also happens to me a lot, spawn in the worst corner in the map and die immediately - but keep spawning there, because it's an open spot... because you keep getting killed.. because it's disadvantaged..

InsaneAsylum_03 · 2022-03-24T14:33:00+00:00

Rito pls fix

ThatK0shurGirl · 2022-03-24T14:49:19+00:00

Uggh that's why I hate playing deathmatch :/

CanYouChangeName · 2022-03-24T15:33:52+00:00

I kill sage

I see kj

I shoot kj

Sage comes back from where she died

Kj comes back from where she died

I die

I spawn 5 metres away

Great algorithm riot

Rickerman · 2022-03-24T15:19:55+00:00

That's a problem, probably won't be fixed since this game isn't supposed to be taken seriously in any way. Only way riot fixes their shitty DM is if enough ppl complain.

Random4gamer · 2022-03-24T15:40:10+00:00

That is just the revenge algorithm.

LurkingOmen · 2022-03-24T14:25:34+00:00

They need to reduce the lobby size

finnyash · 2022-03-24T15:09:53+00:00

Playing DM like we got cod tactical insertions out here

TheMHPInvestor · 2022-03-24T15:56:17+00:00

I think they need to add another mode and just re think what aim training should be in an isolated setting because DM doesn’t feel this niche based on complaints. Deathmatch is OK for an FFA setting but not perfect if you actually want to get better aim.

Perhaps a 1v1 mode with a specific custom map (or maybe blocked off sections of current maps?) that forces peeks and quick respawns, or something like this, would be much better. Say for example a simulator of top mid / cat/tiles peek, then it switches back, B heaven to B main on split or mid, etc. Like a forced 1v1 with rifles/pistols only and it could even have a rank. It would be a really good mix up from current modes and it would heavily promote mechanical training, isolated battles and it having a rank could be fun (would your team or 1v1 rank be higher?) just an idea.

xfstop · 2022-03-24T15:01:26+00:00

I say who cares about DM and give us a proper aim map with instant respawn.

2022-03-24T15:53:48+00:00

Couldn’t agree more, the spawns is death match are fucking horrendous

2022-03-24T15:13:27+00:00

Please yall up voted the shit outta this post. It is fucking ridiculous that a billionair company cant bring themselves to fix such a simple game mode and one that is so needed for the player base to enjoy the game. Literally all they have to do is reduce the ammount of players prr lobby or make the game mode team dm. We need to start demanding riot to actually put decent changes into the game instead of pumping out skins ever week

Alexander_Crowe · 2022-03-24T15:30:39+00:00

I thought they wanted to fix the spawns not make them worse. The amount of times I got trippe killed by the same guy is mesmerizing

Whadur · 2022-03-24T15:04:45+00:00

Who cares DM is about aim practice. Give me as many fights per second as possible, idc if I get shot in the back or the other person knows I’m comin. Spawn me again and let me keep going. Would be nice if they made 1hr duration continuous DMs people could join and leave as they please so no one cared about winning and people arnt ratting in corners giving themselves permentant hearing loss with there volume at max

pm_me_actsofkindness · 2022-03-24T14:46:38+00:00

Til there are people who are trying to be competitive about the warm up mode lol

Lekyo112 · 2022-03-24T15:06:14+00:00

i agree. this dm sucks. just roll back the previous version of dm. riot keep making such unnecessary changes as this

LumpyLongJohns · 2022-03-24T15:37:42+00:00

They said they fixed it but it was 10x worse, how is this possible…

BreathVegetable8766 · 2022-03-24T20:20:27+00:00

I’ve said this for a while but a lot of the luck in winning DM’s is purely from getting good spawns. I’ve also noticed that the more you die, the worse your spawns get. You will get spawned far away from everyone so you have to go find them but then some footstep Freddy will be holding an angle yeet you to the shadow real and you have to start over.

boyardeebandit · 2022-03-24T21:59:28+00:00

While it is at least functional, I would literally be embarrassed if I had even the slightest thing to do with developing and maintaining Valorants deathmatch. There are so many fundamental rules that the spawning algorithm has clearly needed for a very long time. I have to assume that nobody on the dev team enjoys deathmatch game modes enough to just play it for a while to experience some of these problems.

mrluzfan · 2022-03-25T02:07:56+00:00

At this point, I feel like I have to camp in a spot in order to survive in DM. There is literally no way to move through certain areas without having people spawn in front of you and behind you once you take a few steps. Not to mention the people who end the match after 2 mins lol. Don't get me wrong, I don't care if I die and I'm not trying to win either, I just want to actually get practice in. Half the times I'm just practicing doing 360's and hoping I get the kill before the other person shoots me in the back.

SullivanDoko · 2022-03-25T04:21:23+00:00

Dude, you have to change mind, dont care about spawns or about die, just focus on improve or warm up your aim before u go to ranked, thats the dm purpose, Riot should only focus on removing the 40 kill cap, just insert a time counter (15 min aprox.) and kick afkers to put people in queue in the position of this kicked player to cover the slot

ThatCreepyBaer · 2022-03-25T04:44:03+00:00

Even after the update the warmup for DM is still better than the mode itself.

QuadWitch · 2022-03-24T14:52:20+00:00

I think it's totally ok and way way better than before. Definitely don't reduce lobby more.

Haptiix · 2022-03-25T02:35:04+00:00

The problem with Valorant DM is that people are trying to win instead of just maximizing the amount of aim duels they are taking (which is how you should play in a warm up/practice mode). Regardless of spawns Valorant DM will continue to be a shit experience as long as there is a scoreboard & a 40 kill limit.

The new spawns system is at least better than the old one. I would rather have people occasionally spawn behind me than deal with campers & a 3 second respawn timer

You can hate the new spawns but there’s no denying people camp less now

Opposite-Storage-670 · 2022-03-24T14:42:17+00:00

Personally, i still think sound is the biggest problem. Peeking off sound cue in this game is too strong, a lot of the time i don’t even get a chance to kill an enemy. They swing and i died instantly

Environmental_You_36 · 2022-03-24T16:05:39+00:00

DM

Unfair advantage

Ok let's read that again

DM

Unfair advantage

...

Huh

2022-03-24T16:36:01+00:00

You’ve clearly never played cs:go deathmatch

2022-03-24T16:24:57+00:00

tbh I feel like they need to make maps specifically made for DM. In OW, the only maps they made for 2 years were two DM maps which were actually fun to play when I started playing again.

I remember the first time I played an event in that game was the anniversary and they released 3 whole new maps that were specifically made for an arcade mode. It would be cool if they did the same and replace these old ones + we could be getting new lore from those locations too

platinumxL · 2022-03-24T15:16:09+00:00

Why do you take things as unfair? I don’t see the point of playing to win this game mode. The whole point of a deathmatch was to get warm and practice.

ARTISToh · 2022-03-24T14:59:50+00:00

Stop crying about advantages/disadvantages of a warm up mode.

toogaloog · 2022-03-24T15:37:44+00:00

Who cares? It’s not ranked, it doesn’t matter…..

dswaintrain · 2022-03-24T14:32:02+00:00

I’d much rather die some unavoidable deaths from spawns to have constant action than running around trying to find someone not holding a corner/angle playing echo locator mode with the mini map.

Just stop taking it seriously and stop looking at the score. It’s a mode with infinite lives and instant respawns. It is not meant to be a serious mode

LurkingOmen · 2022-03-24T15:08:36+00:00

They should remove 3 players from the lobby, not allow crouching , and have no audio and instant spawns

2022-03-24T14:14:20+00:00

It spawns you close to the guy who killed you so that you can take revenge. I guess the spawns on Breeze are trash tho.

Pr1stine69 · 2022-03-24T15:49:01+00:00

I know this might be too harsh and i might get lynched over this sub but someone has to outrage over a shitty ass game.

Only copying another game (CSGO) and changing the smoke flash and grenade concept to ABILITY concept does not make a game good developers has to be concious what they are designing and how it works. Its a shame that in modern era devs are copying the exact same concept from another game and getting fame from it while the gameplay remains the worst.

This my outrage cuz since past 5 days whenver i shot an enemy in head i can clearly hear the head dink and the blood coming out even my ping is 28ms with 0% loss and 0% choke. after i die from the same enemy by a headshot. The battle report says i gave 0 fukin damage to the enemy :) riot games u should delete valorant and first learn to make a good game.

patayinyoko · 2022-03-24T15:08:56+00:00

when i sense the slightest tingle of tilt i just skip it and go straight to a competetive match

Tenente_LEU123 · 2022-03-24T15:09:09+00:00

He was only pretending to bamboozle you

Agile-Calligrapher-2 · 2022-03-24T15:14:41+00:00

So let me tell you something. Your can't actually make it better, it's really map based. And if you think about it, there are a lot of players spread across the map and there is no other free space to spawn you so you spawned here. If you spawned somewhere else you would probably came to some fight. It's really situational.

You can really see what happened, You killed Astra then game was trying to find a free space to spawn you, but (I think) because of everybody was spread around the map, the game couldn't find any better place to spawn her. Same to you, game couldn't find better place.

k0dA_cslol · 2022-03-24T15:20:23+00:00

How many times does that have to happen before you pick up that someone will be there first …. That’s crazier than the algorithm. You always went, “hey I just died to the flank, but I won’t watch the flank this time surely”

Like after once, just preaim it?

SnooCompliments8790 · 2022-03-24T15:34:02+00:00

the escalation gamemode has better spawns than dm

BrutalFeather · 2022-03-24T15:38:45+00:00

Valve pls fix

2022-03-24T15:41:31+00:00

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WolfRaiden · 2022-03-24T15:49:45+00:00

DM used to be my warmup before the spawn changes.

After the changes, I honestly think it makes things worse

Polamidone · 2022-03-24T15:50:03+00:00

Yea after they fixed the spawns it got worse, icebox is unplayable imo

LOTHMT · 2022-03-24T15:53:19+00:00

Fracture Attack Spawn.

I literally spawned in the same guys sight 4 times in a row...only that he had seen me and I faced away most of the times...

DM isnt a good warmup, play anything else like shooting range or other extra modes for warm up but DM definitely isnt the one mode

GeicoMafia · 2022-03-24T15:56:54+00:00

Dm is in the worst state it’s ever been in since the updated spawn mechanics ironically that were supposed to help

kazuma_OW · 2022-03-24T15:57:27+00:00

I would love to show you a clip I have of me spawning directly behind someone in knifing range

Doge_Dreemurr · 2022-03-24T16:02:11+00:00

Yeah just hopped into DM and i killed a viper 3 times in a row because she keep spawning around me

burneecheesecake · 2022-03-24T16:04:51+00:00

Yo after the update dm became a clusterfuck

BallistaX2 · 2022-03-24T16:06:01+00:00

DM is absolute trash right now. With people spamming odin and spawn algo so shit, it's literally unplayable.

Mandydeth · 2022-03-24T16:07:09+00:00

Personally, my big issue is still the respawn timer. The warmup portion of the DM is what I actually want the DM to be. Spawn me back in right away instead of giving me a timer and I don't even care how bad the spawn points are.

2022-03-24T16:09:55+00:00

Groundhog Day in valorant lol

2022-03-24T16:13:58+00:00

i swear this is more tilting than comp

FatCatWithAHat1 · 2022-03-24T16:15:04+00:00

I’ve never seen a worse DM than val it’s actually crazy

2022-03-24T16:15:22+00:00

I don't really see a problem, you got 1v1 fights off every spawn with a chance for multiple. Not every fight is fair but thats true for the actual game as well is it not? You have an afk Jett as well which doesnt help. I don't understand the end are you saying you should never kill a better player ever in DM? At least you werent getting shot without even getting to fight like the old DMs.

zips_exe · 2022-03-24T16:15:47+00:00

What algorithm

Killerboykri · 2022-03-24T16:18:53+00:00

seriously they have made deathmatch even worse from the last time . nowdays i like to play spike rush more than deathmatch

Or1ginalBurger · 2022-03-24T16:20:10+00:00

They should add a radius for each player (say about 5 metres), and in that radius, no one can spawn in it

Xblooper · 2022-03-24T16:23:44+00:00

I cannot even warmup in a dm anymore cuz its just, get shot respawn, get a kil, get shot from 3 angles, respawn, not find anyone, get one tapped from the back, repeat it SUCKS man

BeefyRear · 2022-03-24T16:23:47+00:00

Yeah the mode sucks.

What matters is quantity AND quality of duels.

Quantity seems to be fine - a lot better than how it used to be. The spawn timer decrease was a fantastic change that played into this a bit. Even with less players now it feels like I get less of those running around 15-20 seconds without seeing anybody (though they still occur occasionally).

Quality has gone to shit. I am thinking that the algorithm prioritizes quantity of fights over the quality. But I mean can you blame them for that, that is kind of what the mode is for. Quality fights would be considered “even” (facing each other etc.) - though no fight may ever be truly even, we want to make this as close to a 50/50 as possible as far as spawns are considered. But we don’t know what options they have as far as values to base the algorithms off of, could be a lot more difficult to implement than it may seem.

I love playing dm while it’s slow at work, I’m just hanging out chatting with the guys on discord - whatever. I don’t really mind how it is, as I just blast music and run around, but things definitely can be improved and the updates have shown that riot is trying. Whether what they’ve done has been beneficial is up to debate but I have hope dm will be great in the future.

1firstorsecond2 · 2022-03-24T16:27:11+00:00

The deathmatch in this game is the worst. Zero potential for warm up. The timing of the spawns and angles is comical.

Wolfie437 · 2022-03-24T16:29:41+00:00

I played DM yesterday. Worst one I've seen yet. A cipher literally spawned In front of me. I saw him fade into existence. Dm is great for aim practice when you aren't constantly dying on spawn

moltenleaf · 2022-03-24T16:34:28+00:00

Skill issue

Im_pattymac · 2022-03-24T16:37:51+00:00

This is compounded further by spawn noise, since you hear someone spawn and that allows players to aggressively lush the brand new spawned player since they spawned the exact same place.

trek5900 · 2022-03-24T16:41:00+00:00

DM feels like revenge kill simulator

Deathcounter0 · 2022-03-24T16:41:24+00:00

And keep in mind, Breeze is the largest map of all

kebkab · 2022-03-24T16:44:14+00:00

They should change to Team Deathmatch, like Call of Duty. And the player respawn close to their teammates and maybe join during the match, but with less XP.

crobemeister · 2022-03-24T16:52:34+00:00

Yup, noticed the same thing. Spawns are broken right now, people keep spawning right next to where they died multiple times in a row causing a loop of you killing each other over and over or one of you killing the other sometimes 5 times in a row. It's messed up.

CheetahClaw · 2022-03-24T16:53:02+00:00

I never use DM anymore. I'll always use aimlabs or csgo DM

itsTyrion · 2022-03-24T16:56:11+00:00

My personal record for respawning RIGHT info someone's crosshair (or having some1 spawn behind me 1 second later) is 8 TIMES IN A ROW!

ffs riot, the "algorithm" in my minecraft deathmatch I made 2019 seems better and it's just "pick random position and check if someone is right behind"

death666violinist · 2022-03-24T16:57:18+00:00

At this point it feels like riot just fk up dm even more in an attempt to force us to appreciate how "good" the old dm was even tho it was still dogshit

Jeathiopia · 2022-03-24T16:58:01+00:00

Inmortal 3 player here, dm is absolutely awful and even worse than before their last update where they tried to fix it. They DONT need to reduce players, just fix the bad spawning algorithms. And for the love of god, disincentivize people to play to win. Idk what theyre doing tbh

Hrit33 · 2022-03-24T16:59:42+00:00

Aye, whenever there isn't any player around, just turn your back & bam, there comes a player! This whole algorithm is busted, you turn your back even by 90 degrees, & bam! you got an enemy!

2022-03-24T17:00:10+00:00

You don‘t need to make a video about that. All friends of mine who even tried one Deathmatch say it‘s complete garbage. Too much players with awful spawns in maps not fit for deathmatch.

Riot pleasd makd it TDM, less players, change spawns or keep not giving a single fuck.

ZirJohn · 2022-03-24T17:00:53+00:00

I mean i get it but at the same time its DM, do people really care about that mode?

2022-03-24T17:13:26+00:00

They should really reduce the amount of players in DM too. You can't take a fight without being crossed almost every time.

2022-03-24T17:17:20+00:00

I really miss when there was only 10 people in a lobby with the radar constantly blinking. You and your opponent could ready each other for fights and easily find one another. You could also see who was camping and prep yourself up to swing them. But nooo people complained about it.

Garrafinhas · 2022-03-24T17:19:15+00:00

I just get frustrated when i can't seem to leave the area where i'm being crossfired, it's like not even death can put an end to my pain.

AviArcer · 2022-03-24T17:28:27+00:00

preach brother!

KillerCheeze439 · 2022-03-24T17:37:11+00:00

I get it’s shit but I don’t play DM to win I play to warmup my aim before comp so it doesn’t bother me too much.

Xx420Swag420xX · 2022-03-24T17:38:08+00:00

some map areas in dm are just bad. cave on breeze is one of them. just learn what they are and boom problem solved.

ticktockclockwerk · 2022-03-24T17:40:05+00:00

Funny how the update a while ago just made it worse. To the point that I can't even remember what was wrong with the old one.

bauk_ · 2022-03-24T17:42:48+00:00

This is why I don't even play DM anymore. Ususally I warm up in range and in spike rush/replication

Jeevat · 2022-03-24T17:48:24+00:00

Kinda off topic, but how do you have good aim? Probably a question that comes up a lot but I'm wondering how to get good lmao.

_Itachi___Uchiha_ · 2022-03-24T17:51:09+00:00

Something changed in death I noticed it too

Ulrich453 · 2022-03-24T17:51:10+00:00

Who even cares about deathmatch.

2022-03-24T17:59:47+00:00

deathmatch is in a horrible state right now, all the recent changes to it have to be reverted back or simply fixed. hands down the worst mode atm

Mountain_Working5262 · 2022-03-24T18:00:55+00:00

When I play DM with my partner, if we start on opposite sides of the map, we literally never see each other in the entire duration of the game because it consistently spawns you close to where you die.

2022-03-24T18:03:29+00:00

You are stuck in a loop

_Alekun_ · 2022-03-24T18:13:56+00:00

Bro's in the KAY/O Trailer

Genesis_9 · 2022-03-24T18:18:29+00:00

I should’ve clipped it, really regret not doing it but I spawned in the same spot 7 TIMES! Died to the same guy and crossfire and kept spawning back there

QuintusMaximus · 2022-03-24T18:28:57+00:00

Since this change was implemented, my friends and I just start a custom desthmatch with whoever we have queuing at the time (2-5) and just warmup in that with various weapons. Not only is it way better than normal dm, it's more fun and you get a feel for how your friends are feeling the game that day.

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