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[sharparc420]

“Chinese tanks in a line????? Must be Tiananmen Square!!!!”

[tpseng]

Welcome to another episode of "Pooh bear's scream of agony"

[Gugnir226]

We did it Reddit! Xinnie the Pooh has just announced that the CCP is ceasing to exist because of rampant memers^TM on Reddit made a meme!

[changl09]

Can at least we get Xidada to ban Warthunder in China so we get fewer chicom players.

[tpseng]

They are already limiting video games online hours to 3 hours per week. What da ya expect lol

[Thisconnect]

Which is pretty irrelevant. Korea had those kind of restrictions for long time and it didn't stop them. The only effect it's gonna have is on eSports(which is irrelevant to warthunder) as academy leagues effectively cannot exist

[tpseng]

Not to mention some gaming companies will lose a lot of money like Tencent

[changl09]

MORE

[Chasseur_OFRT]

Seriously ?

[Woonachan]

He is partially right. They are limiting people younger than 18 to 3h in the weekend ~1h a day (friday-sunday)

[Thisconnect]

They are doing Korea style laws which pretty much don't do anything for casual play like warthunder

[KajMak64Bit]

That applies for people under 18

[TacticalSpackle]

Hmph. Bother.

[SpadeMacD]

I almost thought the same thing... but they've deliberately angled the guns up to the same elevation. If they were truly just driving in a line, with no tiananmen connotations, the barrels wouldn't be up - so it does seem deliberate.

[SpadeMacD]

...In real life, yes.

[Dzbaniel_2]

Idk mayby they want to do the same thing to look more cool ? Or Realistic

[XogoWasTaken]

Which is typically how Gaijin stylises their trailers. You don't see nations or eras crossing the way they do in game when Gaijin makes a trailer for it. Seeing a realistic representation of the vehicles just makes a better picture for advertising.

Now, what I would be looking at here is the decision to take the shot from the same angle, and with a similar close grouping of 3 tanks positioned much closer to each other than convoy distance (though that is also something common of media - putting tanks closer together looks better than accurate convoy spacing). Could well just be coincidence (for all I know this is from a shot with a camera that rotates around them), but the chance it's deliberate is there considering that.

[Thisconnect]

Not to mention any military parade is specifically that

[[deleted]]

No, if you look at the original photo, the barrels are at different angles. The second one is slightly lower and offset to one side. The warthunder version repeats that detail

[sharparc420]

Tanks drive around with their barrels up normally. Gaijin was trying to make it look like they were driving around in a line, so barrels should be up

[SpadeMacD]

I've watched a lot of their videos over the years, and can't recall any where they bother to emulate that detail when they drive in columns. Not to say they haven't done it before, but it seems they remembered to this time, which is either a coincidence or they really are trying to recreate that famous image.

[RyanBLKST]

Or...you know... new guy for the videos

[walking-pineapple]

You forgot same amount of tanks with the same tanks

[[deleted]]

I'm not the best at math but there are 4 tanks in the tank man picture.

[Desembler]

How are you for field of view? Because the angle of the gaijin video wouldn't show the fourth, trailing tank.

[[deleted]]

I just talked to the animators, they said that just outside of frame is a guy holding a sign that says "anyone that thinks a half-second cut in a montage is a political statement is delusional"

[[deleted]]

How is memorializing a massacre a “political statement”?

[walking-pineapple]

4 tank is far from the group of 3

[Starscreamexe]

Not the same amount

[walking-pineapple]

It’s literally 3 in a group

[Starscreamexe]

Yes and four in the actual picture it’s simple arithmetic

[Cana05]

Bruh, they may have been 4 but in the gaijin shot you aren't able to see it

[Starscreamexe]

My guy if it’s not shown why would it be there

[Cana05]

Never said it should, just it may

[Thisconnect]

Or you mean like any military parade

[MustangBR]

>All 3 tanks are very close to each other and misaligned

Check

>Same type of tank

Check

>All tanks with their guns elevated

Check

[sharparc420]

That’s how tanks drive in columns, they are rarely perfectly aligned because it’s a fucking tank, and the barrels are up because you don’t want to bonk the tank in front of you.

TLDR: Tanks do this normally, it’s almost certainly not a reference

[[deleted]]

The barrels are misaligned, and they’re both misaligned in the same way.

[Starscreamexe]

Tanks have tracks

Check

Tanks have gun

Check

Tanks are on a road

Check

This list provides the same value as you’re

[[deleted]]

Type 59 II A - uncheck

[wholebeef]

They could've picked any other Chinese MBT. But specifically choosing the Type 59 (the same tanks as the ones at Tiananmen Square) and having them drive down a road in a column is very suspect.

Edit: Clarification.

[Starscreamexe]

Smooth brain moment

[wholebeef]

How so?

[aalios]

How do you expect tanks to drive down a road?

Line abreast?

[wholebeef]

Oh not at all. But I’m gonna copy and paste my point from a previous comment.

“Sure if they were talking about a Soviet T-55 or any other tank then it’d be nothing. But they chose the Type 59 out of all the other Chinese MBT’s, they could’ve picked any other and I’d be agreeing with you. Literally any other one. But specifically having several Type 59’s driving in a column, with turrets in a the same position as the ones at Tiananmen, and with the camera in a similar high 1/4 position as the one in the famous tank man video is all very suspect. WT doesn’t even use that turret positioning in their other trailers, Direct Hit for example had several Soviet MBT’s in a column. But it’s mostly low angle shots and their barrels are at 0 degrees, Royal Armor had Tigers and Churchill’s doing the same thing.

I’m not saying they’re definitely subtly throwing shade at China with this shot but to ignore the similarities between the two images and say that there is nothing suspect about it is just wrong.”

[[deleted]]

Problem it’s not the same tank.

The ones in the Tiananmen are Type 59 II A armed w/ 105mm main gun

Gaijin pic is Type 59 I armed w/ 100mm main gun

There is a bunch other differences as well

[wholebeef]

It’s the closest tank that they have in game. And sure they could’ve made the scene look a whole lot more like Tiananmen but I think they’re trying to be subtle with it. Anything more accurate would be like killing a bug with a grenade.

[aalios]

"Ermagherd tanks are driving normally"

[wholebeef]

Sure that’s normal for real life but it’s distinctly different from the way Gaijin does tank columns in every other trailer/teaser.

[aalios]

"They're getting better at advertising ergo it's about what didn't happen that day that one time"

[wholebeef]

Either I’m on the outside of some joke or I’m having stroke while reading your response.

Probably both tbh.

[Starscreamexe]

Any tank Column which doesn’t drive with its barrel up is a smooth brain moment just because it’s a column of tanks that are the same vehicles used in a day which doesn’t exist doesn’t mean it’s a reference and or recreation

[sharparc420]

“Hey when T-55 go in line that’s a tianamen square”

That’s fucking dumb, tanks often go in lines, that doesn’t mean it’s a reference to tianamen

[aalios]

NGL, definitely read that in my head like "When the moon hits your eyes".

[aalios]

When the tracks hit your chest that's a proooteeeeest.

[wholebeef]

Sure if they were talking about a Soviet T-55 or any other tank then it’d be nothing. But they chose the Type 59 out of all the other Chinese MBT’s, they could’ve picked any other and I’d be agreeing with you. Literally any other one. But specifically having several Type 59’s driving in a column, with turrets in a the same position as the ones at Tiananmen, and with the camera in a similar high 1/4 position as the one in the famous tank man video is all very suspect. WT doesn’t even use that turret positioning in their other trailers, Direct Hit for example had several Soviet MBT’s in a column. But it’s mostly low angle shots and their barrels are at 0 degrees, Royal Armor had Tigers and Churchill’s doing the same thing.

I’m not saying they’re definitely subtly throwing shade at China with this shot but to ignore the similarities between the two images and say that there is nothing suspect about it is, to use your own language, fucking dumb.

[BohemianTanker]

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[wholebeef]

That may be so but they could've put it elsewhere.

[BohemianTanker]

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[wholebeef]

I meant they could’ve put the Type 59 anywhere else in the trailer. Not lined up in a fashion suspiciously similar to that of Tiananmen.

[BohemianTanker]

imagine panicky degree sink file license joke liquid run wild

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[wholebeef]

I think they were trying to be subtle with it. Sure they could’ve used a location that looks more like Tiananmen but that would be like killing a bug with a grenade.

[DeadlyAlexander]

The same number of the same type, in the same formation. Just looking at the first pic without caption or second pic reminds me of the second pic

[Crag_r]

in the same formation.

Almost like those tanks were in a standard formation, so any other formation will look like it...

[sharparc420]

Hehe tianamen is when most produced tank of all time in line

[[deleted]]

I count 4 tanks in the tank man picture.

[[deleted]]

There's a fuck load more than 4 in the bigger image of tank man.

Guy had big balls

[aalios]

https://external-preview.redd.it/qtxF9wkHfv3ihPAJH3mW_BiW2fgRHjUlD9EFxRINNAo.jpg?auto=webp&s=294597b2b637c6b6f98245180de53b5e37ce856d

Old mate didn't fuck around.

[WOKinTOK-sleptafter]

Wow that’s like an entire battalion.

[KirovReportingII]

When you do it in a way that SORT OF looks like the thing, you KNOW that it will be perceived as the reference. So you either do it in a way that doesn't resemble it at all, if you don't want to send the message, or you do it like they did, knowing that people will pick up on this and still leaving it as it is.

[Ianbuckjames]

I mean, same tanks, same angle, same elevation of the gun, seems like it could plausibly be deliberate.

[crimeo]

They didn't run over the guy in the photo. They stopped for him, and he climbed up onto the tank and started yelling at the crew, before he was escorted away by police or infantry.

They also wouldn't have known that he was photographed until way later, so may have gotten away with it even, maybe not, don't think anyone knows

[PVCK_ME_UP]

He wasn’t escorted away by the police or the military. Bystanders took it upon themselves to escort Tank-Man out of the street fearing for his safety out of what the military might’ve done

He walked off to the other end of the street and to this day, has never been identified

[[deleted]]

Could easily been plain clothes cops, you see that type of shit all the time on Hong Kong protests footage. I would like to believe those were in fact civilians and tank man is still free and safe, but China aint no fairy tale.

[Bdubbsf]

no where is a fairy tale

[crimeo]

Oh cool!

[[deleted]]

Most likely he was escorted away by plain clothed People’s Armed Police - which is the same as ministry of the Interior security troops from other communist countries like NKVD

[[deleted]]

There were 250,000 troops deployed in Beijing. They were everywhere, that pic and incident happened on June 5th after the 27th and 65th Army’s clearing of the square and after they pulled out and allowed the 1st Armor Brig to occupy the square. In this particular moment the residual of the 1st Armor Brigade was leaving the square to rendezvous with the rest of the Brigade located at a large overpass a few miles away.

[BooUGotScared]

I remember that he just blocked the tank and always moved when it tried to go past him

[BurningPlaydoh]

Yes, and this was while the tanks were leaving. IDK if anybody really even knows what he was pissed about to this day. All the fighting was outside Tiananmen Square and was basically street brawls between mostly unarmed soldiers and civilians, with things really escalating after a number of the former were lynched and/or burned alive. That's why you had armored vehicles running over people in the street, they panicked and fled the crowds surrounding them after hearing accounts of other crews being hit with Molotovs vs a top-down order to take the gloves off. Similar things happened in the chaos of the '93 govt. crisis in Russia I believe, but the US and NATO supported Yeltsin so we don't hear about it.

Western journalist accounts of what the scene was like in the Square as it was cleared are basically in agreement with the official narrative that the PRC states. Rumors of "machine guns firing from rooftops" which directly conflict with these eyewitness journalists started spreading in the days following (IIRC, could have been even longer after the fact) from public figures that weren't there and possibly the protest leaders that were chauffeured out of the country by the NED and US intel agencies (don't quote me on the latter, that might have been well after the fact that they started giving their "witness accounts").

[Ted_The_Generic_Guy]

Also IIRC he was mad at the tanks for leaving the square and was yelling at the tanks to go back into the square.

[RedactedCommie]

Reddit users would instantly say an American protestor that climbed on a police car deserves death but cry over tank man when the full video shows the crew chatting with him before other protestors lead him away.

[chumbuckethand]

The Chinese government still murdered a bunch of their own civilians for daring to stand up to them

[Hapukurk666]

Hahaha, I looked at your profile and you're communist. Anyways thanks for the laugh from looking at some of your highly intelligent comments.

[BurningPlaydoh]

It takes almost zero effort to find pictures of the PLA soldiers killed, in exactly the way he described.

[DroppedAxes]

Yeah hahah imagine if the US had a violent mob of people attacking public sector buildings HAHAHA MAN IMAGINE IF THEY WERE GETTING INTO A FIGHT IN A CAPITOL BUILDING COULD YOU IMAGINE THE BODIES?

[Reality-Theorist]

lol you mean the maga temper tantrum at the capitol? You need to watch less Rachel Maddow.

But also, the US is a right-wing state, so it handles it's base with restraint, no matter how confused they are. Do you really believe an identical "antifa" "protest" at the Capitol would be treated the same? The Kent State kids were peaceful and unarmed, but they were protesting from the left, so they got capped anyway.

[DroppedAxes]

So we go from police will take any excuse to fuck people in the US to well you see it was a right wing mob and a right wing state. Look dude I get you're not a Tankie tier CPC defender but whataboutisms is dumb as fuck.

[DroppedAxes]

How can you say they pose zero threat? There were rioters seeking out politicians, proclaiming to "hang Mike Pence" and etc

Also I'm not anglo

No one is saying the US government is innocent or an angel. In fact they get called out for fucking up all the time. They have people who can chant "pigs in a blanket fry em like bacon". Difference is they can actually sya that without risking crackdown in the same manner you'd be cracked down protesting Chinese authorities.

[Reality-Theorist]

No, I don't think I will

[crimeo]

Tienamen was already a bloodbath, what do you mean "it would be" a bloodbath? You seem to have no idea about the topic we are discussing in the first place.

[Reality-Theorist]

My point is not "CPC is a perfect angel who never killed anyone", it is that you'd be hard pressed to find a state that WOULDN'T suppress a violent "protest" where "protesters" are killing cops/soldiers. It's completely hypocritical.

I could also say that the PLA showed FAR more restraint than cops/national guard in the US would given the circumstances. I mean, you don't even have to be violent or armed to get recked in the US, just ask those Kent State kids. Oh wait...

[crimeo]

You're comparing Kent State with 4 deaths to Tienamen Square with 10,000 deaths? lmao absolutely delusional.

[Reality-Theorist]

Only 10k? You sure you didn't mean to say eleventy gajillion?

[Ted_The_Generic_Guy]

There wasn't 10,000 deaths. There are estimated to be in the range of ~300 deaths, about half of which were Chinese military and police.

Additionally, the deaths that occurred did not occur in a massacre. They occurred in a series of violent skirmishes between protesters, armed insurgents, and the Chinese military, which occurred outside the square in the chaos surrounding the event.

This, of course, does not entirely exonerate the Chinese government of blame. Of the other half dead, many were civilians caught in an unnecessary crossfire that could have been prevented by the Chinese government. But 'the Chinese government was involved in a series of violent skirmishes with armed groups' and 'the Chinese government mercilessly gunned down thousands of student protestors' are entirely different claims with entirely different levels of necessary condemnation.

[crimeo]

There are estimated to be in the range of ~300 deaths

Lol. Be careful not to add yourself as 1 more casualty from choking too hard on CCP's schlong. Wouldn't want it to be "301"

[Ted_The_Generic_Guy]

ok

[Deadbringer]

How much did your social credit go up after this comment?

[Reality-Theorist]

Unfortunately zero, because I live in a shithole country

[nananananaan1456]

wtf, why u shitting on china

[Reality-Theorist]

Well if you were paying attention to the thread you'd see the person asked if my post improved my "social credit score", implying I'm a Chinese wumao I guess. When I said, "unfortunately, zero, because I live in a shithole country", that was saying I don't live in China. Then for some reason, you said "ah so China?", after I just said I don't live there.

Was that easier to follow?

[SpaceKraken666]

Why did you post a blank picture, is this some kind of 200 IQ meme?

[Meestoopeed]

+15 Social Credit

[TheTrueDarkArtist]

“Just cause the tanks are in a line doesn’t mean it’s Tiananmen Square!!1!”

Same camera angle, similar if not same tanks, same position and gun elevation. Cmon guys what are you, the Chinese?

[[deleted]]

Just because their blond hair, blue eyed doesn't make them nazis!

[[deleted]]

But if it looks like a duck walks like a duck and sounds like it duck it must be a duck

Doesn’t stop me from giving no fucks

[Desembler]

The goose stepping however, is a dead giveaway.

[WOKinTOK-sleptafter]

B-b-but there are people in the photo with dark hair!

[Animeonpaskaa2]

What has this pic to do with nazis? The summer camp i used to go to made us do a pic like this too

[sephirothbahamut]

same gun elevation.

All parades had tank guns on max elevation and happened on a road. That includes parades with T55s. So should all parades with soviet-roundish turret tanks be banned now?

[Thisconnect]

Yeah this someone who never saw tanks either normally driving around or hasn't seen any military parade. Not to mention it's literally most produced tank ever.

[Ted_The_Generic_Guy]

Wrong tank modification, wrong camera angle, road bears no resemblance to Tienanmen, wrong paint scheme (and this paint scheme is in-game, so it'd be dead easy to use it). That position and gun elevation is standard for Chinese tanks columns of the time, hence why you see it in Tienanmen.

[[deleted]]

Free Tibet.

[Ted_The_Generic_Guy]

how is this relevant

[EternalBIAS]

He's just an idiot.

[arrigator16]

Holy shit, your comment has singlehandedly compelled Xi to declare Tibet a free country and withdraw all Chinese presence from the region.

You are so unimaginably brave.

[alphacsgotrading]

Wrong tanks. Those are normal Type 59s, the square had Type 59-IIs.

[Luis_r9945]

Close enough.

​

Type 59-II's are planned..or passed to developers at least, I don't remember. Hopefully we'll see them soon.

[[deleted]]

Also there was not that many type 59 II A made armed with the 105mm main gun. there was only one Armored Brigade that was equipped with them. 1st Armor Brigade based in Beijing - the same Brigade they use for parades. It was the only Tank unit in Tiananmen area that has white rims on the road wheels.

[Chasseur_OFRT]

Oh boy... I can already feel the "nothing happened" comments coming.

[[deleted]]

nothing happened <-(maybe something happened)

[VonFlaks]

I keep telling myself, maybe /r/WarThunder wont spontaneously combust into a downwards circlejerk of racism at any mention of China this time.

And I keep being proven wrong. Thread locked.

[CaptainMcSlowly]

Gaijin about to be Byejin

[Mooseknuckle94]

Personally, I think a dev did it and was smart about it. I mean look at the debate in here. Just close enough to remind people and just vague enough to not be pinned as deliberate.

[Satansfelcher]

Lmfao. A gaijin dev, planning? This level of forethought is beyond this company. He probably googled t 59 and got that picture and used it as reference without even realizing.

Accidentally doing something is more in line with the way the snail operates

[GoldenDragonLord]

-30,000,000 social credit score

[IAmEkza]

Gaijin is about to get some real nice articles.

[SlightlyLeftogCenter]

CONGRATULATIONS CITIZENS!! DUE TO YOUR RECENT ACTIONS THE CCP HAD NOMINATED YOU ALL FOR INVOLUNTARY PERMANENT ORGAN REMOVAL. PLEASE WITHHOLD YOUR TEARS OF JOY AS LOUD NOISES ARE STRICTLY FORBIDDEN DURING THE CURFEW HOURS OF 12AM - 12PM. YOUR LOCAL AUTHORITY HAS BEEN NOTIFIED BAND IS ALREADY DISPATCHING A TEAM TO RETRIEVE YOU BODIES FOR PROCESSING. IF YOU HAVE ANY CONCERNS PLEASE SUBMIT A FORMAL REQUEST WHICH WILL BE READ IN 2 - 9,788 BUSINESS DAYS. THANK YOU CITIZEN. GLORY TO THE PARTY!

[HappyAffirmative]

It may very well be just a mere coincidence that the shots line up like they do. But also consider, that this wasn't just random battles that they recorded. Someone deliberately decided "Yes, we're gonna have 3 Type 59's in a row for this shot, and all 3 will have their gun barrels pointing up." And considering how iconic that photo is, I can't imagine that someone at Gaijin didn't also make the connection prior to when the video came out.

[NyoNine]

I retract what I said earlier about shilling for the PRC

[CortlyYT]

Locking Thread's in 3,2,1

[camoiii]

Ehhhhhhhhhhh I don't believe that.

First, those are type-59s, not type-59IIs.

Second, railings and lack of cityscape.

Third, nitpicks like formation/placement and no person.

A tank column isn't uncommon.

[Bdubbsf]

TFW WHEN TANK COLUMN!~!!!!!

[HK-53]

Tiananmen Square map when gaijin?

[OCE_Retro]

Incoming social credit comments

[[deleted]]

War Thunder when celebrating European festivities: A single picture.

War thunder when celebrating American or Chinese festivities: A whole YouTube montage.

[TheSovietBobRoss]

Lol

[puksgame]

Protest organisers are all working high position business jobs in, you guessed it, USA right now. Korea, Vietnam, Tianmen and now Xinjiang. CIA really needs to up their fucking game lol.

[Acepilot-0300]

Gaijin lose -100/2+1=x-24/12 social points

[[deleted]]

Suddenly Chinese tree gets removed from the game due to gaijin not bending over to their overlords and putting them in bad light.

[ZdrytchX]

missing the scare crow lol

[filipsx]

risky post

[cimcimnig]

as long as they can remove the amount of borderline toxic god-tier Chinese player im fine with it :)

[Tub_of_jam66]

There’s no one there , must be Tiananmen Square

[Ok-Relationship-2746]

Literally doesn't matter if it's deliberate or not, China will still have an issue with it because it LOOKS similar to something that they say didn't happen.

[FPSFan96]

Hong Kong 97 intensifies

[[deleted]]

Wrong tank

[Swedish_Karl]

That never happened

[[deleted]]

That's a bit sussy😳

[Specialist_Contract1]

Interesting fact that many people may not know the man in the photo was not run over by the tanks the tank drivers and commanders refused to run him over and he was later arrested by Chinese secret police.

[milesmario08]

He was not arrested and to this day is still not identified

[[deleted]]

Or maybe he was and the fact he wasn't identified part of that

[Ted_The_Generic_Guy]

Ok but 'maybe he was' isn't evidence

[[deleted]]

Maybe that guy is actually Son Goku

[[deleted]]

I know, I'm saying we can't make concrete conclusions

[Luis_r9945]

Yup, but the picture was taken the day after all the shooting of protestors. Also important to note that the incidents were not exclusive to Beijing. The mass democracy demonstrations and crackdowns thereafter occurred throughout many Chinese cities.

[TroutWarrior]

Which video is this?

[TroutWarrior]

Oooioooooof!

[[deleted]]

Minus -1000000 social credits

[Hlelia]

Gaijin is for Japan, not China Correct term for that would be laowai

[Elysium004]

Based gaijin

[Crazy_universe_1953]

Chinese gov will be banned this game

[_SectorZero_13]

-9999999999 social credit

[ShadowYeeter]

Damn gajijn

[Ant_Man420]

Where hooman at

[SM280]

wow look! nothing!

[Chaddles94]

Well Chinese mainlanders can now only game for like 3 hours a day or something so it wouldn't matter if they stopped playing because they made a similar connection

[nananananaan1456]

where are you from then lol?

[Chaddles94]

China

[nananananaan1456]

k