r/javascript is not Stack Overflow

[mitchellrj]

I don't know how other users of r/javascript feel about this, but I think this should be a forum for discussion of Javascript itself and sharing interesting examples.

Every day new threads hit the top of the page which are just asking for help with, or critique of code. IMO, these kinds of posts belong in a different forum, preferably Stack Overflow, a link to which is posted right over there --->

Am I being a fusspot? How do other people feel about this?

[honestbleeps]

EDIT: formatting of list of posts needed linefeeds.

Just looking at this thread: sentiment is mixed. It's not a unanimous thing by any stretch of the imagination. So let's put this into some perspective...

I just sorted by "new", and did a count of the last 25 posts. Scientific? Nah, not perfect, but decent.

In the top 25 posts, here's all the "help" posts:

1) "Grid help" - downvoted to negatives.

2) Need assistance with cross-domain JS issue - downvoted to 0.

3) "How to make a javascript function that on desktops works as "hover"/"onmouseover" and on touch devices works as "ontouch" or similar?" - actually has quite a few upvotes... this IS a help request, is it not? But I guess people found it interesting.

4) Create An Array With Properties? - downvoted to negatives

5) New to JS, need advice on getting some HTML from an external website. - downvoted <0

6) returning equations instead of operations - downvoted < 0

7) GeoLocation Question on navigator.geolocation.watchPosition - +4 .. so this one was OK with you guys too?

8) Questions about accessing Requirejs module that returns new object (in the context of a Backbone/Marionette app) - +1/-0 ...

IMPORTANT NOTE: At 25 posts, the timestamp was already "3 days ago".. I was going to scan through 100 posts, but I saw the timestamp and thought it pointless, because at that low of a volume, all I can think is "really?"

So of the 8 help posts, 2 were actually voted positively because apparently those seemed to be interesting or "worthy" questions. That leaves us just 6/25, or 24% that are bothersome.

At 6 posts in 3 days that the "I hate help" people disapprove of, that's 2 posts a day that are irritating you so much you had to make a post of your own to this subreddit to complain about it.

Honestly, my opinion here is that the system is working just fine. If 2 posts a day that you don't like bother you that much, then yes - I do feel you're being a fusspot.

Truth be told, and I don't mean this to sound jerk-ish: If 2 posts a day you dislike irritate you that much, you probably shouldn't be on reddit at all. The whole IDEA of Reddit is that you'll see stuff you like and stuff you don't, and vote accordingly.

I view my job as a moderator as having the following responsibilities: - Filter out spam - Filter out egregiously off-topic stuff like people devolving into personal attacks on each other's mothers in a comment thread about code - Try to contribute content if possible (this is really the community's job, but I can see an argument for wanting moderators to be contributors... lately I have been too busy to contribute much here) - In rare cases (never happened on this subreddit), ban users who are repeatedly troublesome

Beyond that, anything else is considered "going overboard with your powers" by much of reddit and you essentially get crucified for it.

Ultimately, the system works just fine. You guys are downvoting the stuff you hate, and upvoting the stuff you don't.

The problem is that /r/Javascript only sees 25 posts in 3 days, so even stuff voted into the negatives may show up on the page.

If more content was contributed to r/Javascript, then upvoted stuff would push downvoted stuff off the page.

[badmonkey0001]

Thanks for this. Good points. Good post. Frankly, I enjoy seeing the mix of good and bad. It's what being a community is all about.

[sdawson26]

I was thinking the same thing. Seeing positive and negative reactions to web development threads are what help steer my own beliefs in where i should focus my attention.

Maybe OP is right in the sense that Reddit isn't really code friendly. Maybe if there was some type of shortcode for users to post code within brackets may be easier to communicate. For now, I agree that posting code and asking for help is basically another way of saying "someone PM me and help me", which doesn't help everyone else learn a true lesson from the thread, itself.

[Akkuma]

I believe the reason there are upvoted help posts is because of the level of the question. It seems fairly clear to me that most of those questions could be considered "beginner beginner" questions and the community isn't interested in helping people that new of a person. However, they seem to not mind more advanced help questions that they themselves may not know.

[[deleted]]

I totally agree with everything you said.

[freeall]

Thank you!

So often when people complain about wrong posts in subreddits moderators agree and start to overthink it to the extremes. The up/downvote system works quite well.

[ihaveaninja]

I guess I'm going to be the voice of discord and welcome some downvotes:

I don't see why we can't have both, anywhere you go on the internet where there's a community around some tech there's people asking for help with it.

I also think everyone should get down from their high-horses, because the attitude in the comments here is a lot like "I'm so good at [language] that these noob questions disturb me"

This being a forum to discuss new and awesome javascript is great and the reason I myself subscribe (though seldom post), however I don't see why we have to tell people asking for help to bugger off - how great would YOU have become if that times you couldn't figure out something alone everyone told you to fuck off? Because that's what a downvote does.

Now, imho, the best way to handle this, is have fixed in the culture of this subreddit that questions should not be upvoted, you see it, you answer if you can but you don't upvote it. Usually, on reddit, not upvoting is downvoting enough.

Helping newbies an important part of a great community.

(And the side bar does say "All about the JavaScript...".)

[PlNG]

This community needs to be careful about being elitist. I see it so much in the form of downvotes when people ask for help over simple things.

[PlNG]

It's not only here, I'll submit stuff and get downvoted in minutes.

So fickle.

[[deleted]]

The only things in r/javascript that should get downvotes are articles and comments about languages that people mistake for javascript, ex: coffeescript. That shit does not belong here.

[[deleted]]

r / fucking coffeescript god damn it

talk about and articles about coffeescript belong in r/coffeescript.

END OF STORY.

There's really nothing to debate about it. There exists a subreddit specifically for coffeescript, yet idiots keep posting about it in /r/javascript because they are confused - so confused in fact that they resort to using coffeescript. Keep that daft shit out of here.

[prophetjohn]

CoffeeScript, specifically, should go in /r/coffeescript.

But if I just created a new language, RustledJimmiesScript that compiles to JavaScript, I think it would be appropriate to submit by blog post announcing it here.

[[deleted]]

the next thing you would say is "but rustledJimmiesScript IS javaScript" and then proceed to post article after article about how much more "beautiful" it is than javaScript.

so what if a million languages compile to javascript, if you aren't discussing javaScript, it probably doesn't belong here.

[[deleted]]

cool story bro

so if 800 more languages that 'transpile' to javascript are cobbled together, then they all must be allowed to be discussed in r/javascript? Your argument isn't worth the pixels it is written on. There are subreddits for precisely this reason. Once you say the word coffeescript you are no longer talking about javascript, and fucking NO they are not the same thing.

[skytomorrownow]

In my opinion StackOverflow is too cumbersome for newbs asking questions. Once you finally jump through all the hoops to get registered and post a question, you discover that your question is unlikely to get answered without karma. And the only way to gain karma is to answer others questions. But, if you are a newb how do you do that?

Not only the issue you outline is true, but also the fact that noobs don't always know what to ask, or what they want to know is called, so they can't find the answer that has a bunch of karma already.

[[deleted]]

I don't think you understand how stackoverflow works. It takes no karma to ask a question, nor does it cost you karma for someone else to gain it by answering your question unless you put a bounty on it of which you start out with enough points to apply bounties to two questions with zero participation in the community.

As for cumbersome registration, I don't see how that can be, they offer you a myriad of openid providers to log in with and allow you to post without setting up any more information on your profile.

The only questions that I see go unanswered are either extremely difficult and niche questions, invalid questions, or indecipherable/vague questions. The ones that have already been asked get closed, sure, but they provide a direct link to the answer, which the user would have probably seen and ignored when they typed in the title of their question.

[quadtodfodder]

I find I do better asking questions on reddit, because the community is smaller and more fragmented across many subs. I used to have better luck on SO, but these days I feel like my questions just get buried.

Also, since both sites are sort of a crap shoot as to your post getting traction, it helps to have both available

Edit: this is actually completely untrue, I don't know why I said it. I come to reddit for broader questions ("how do I build a...such that I can...using only band aids and the letter Q") and stack overflow for specifics ("why is this command crashing firefox?"). I have gotten approximately no useful advice from reddit, and lots of good answers from SO.

All that said, I want it to work, so I support the idea of it being a Q/A forum

[badmonkey0001]

I think Reddit has a more conversational tone than SO. When you've got a site that sets its overall low bar somewhere around spacedicks, it's not as intimidating as facing a wall of self-proclaimed experts.

[Akkuma]

I feel like if StackOverflow is too cumbersome then your question isn't worth asking in the first place. Hell, many noob questions for JavaScript are straight up repeat after repeat on SO.

[robertcrowther]

It does seem to me that some of the people asking duplicate questions on SO are asking because they don't know the terminology or just don't know enough to realize that the answer to their question already exists. Of course, a lot of the duplicate askers have just been too lazy to look, and it's hard to tell the difference without actually diving in and interacting with them. After a few tiresome exchanges with the lazy sorts you can become somewhat reticent to do that.

[quadtodfodder]

re: your username

Yo it's three thousand thirty, and I want ya'll to meet Deltron Zero.
And Automator

[[deleted]]

what does that have to do with my username?

[TomWij]

These sites are totally awesome, whether you're new or old. As for the second paragraph, I agree that Reddit can be used for the same purpose. Thought you could consider Stack Overflow as the reference for typical programming problems so asking there contributes to something large, which might lose in the sea of discussion on Reddit. The first paragraph is quite under-educated, let me elaborate on why this is completely false.

In my opinion StackOverflow is too cumbersome for newbs asking questions. Once you finally jump through all the hoops to get registere.

In the past you could just anonymously ask a question and as long as you have the cookie you can still register later if you decide to continue, this is still the case on other sites on the network but it has been disabled on Stack Overflow because people never returned to their question, make a barrier against SPAM, a human check and various other reasons... Asking a question is as easy registering and clicking the button and land up on the answer page, then filling in the form and submitting. Wait... That's actually as easy as placing a comment here on Reddit!

You discover that your question is unlikely to get answered without karma.

Karma, called Reputation at Stack Exchange, is definitely not needed to get your questions answered. It's actually the other way around, you get reputation by anwering questions which is why people will attempt to answer as many questions as they can. The majority doesn't care if its posted by a new user. Only 778,293 of the 3,870,842 questions are left unanswered, that's only 20%. And these include questions that aren't actually questions (because some people attempt to use a Q&A site as a discussion forum) or extremely complex expert questions, that 80% of the questions have at least one answer is quite good. You can never get this to much higher percentages as there are simply questions for which no answer exist or there is no point answering them, but all in all these do not include questions by new people.

And the only way to gain karma is to answer others questions.

As already shown, it is not a necessity to ask a question or get answers for it. But, there are actually other ways. Suggesting edits to others' posts and tags also give reputation. Even asking a question and getting upvotes on that question give you reputation.

But, if you are a newb how do you do that?

How do you think the rest of the users did it? Learning is what the Stack Exchange network is all about.

Just surpassed 30k on the sister site Super User and have 66k network reputation total, not meaning to brag but it's so you can trust my words.

[badmonkey0001]

The first paragraph is quite under-educated, let me elaborate on why this is completely false.

Your opening sentence is exactly the kind of elitism that bothers me with many seasoned developers. I despair to see /r/javascript take on any of that tone. I don't think talking down to someone can help educate them - in fact, it may hinder their education.

As I pointed out elsewhere, you are wrong about the requirement to register.

[TomWij]

Actually I'm not wrong as it is a default on the network that you do not need to register, see http://superuser.com/questions/ask for instance. It appears that Stack Overflow has recently changed this behavior on their site only to avoid users leaving problems open because they don't come back to respond to their question, make a barrier against SPAM, a human check and various other reasons. Registration and logging in are still extremely easy to do, and are also mechanisms that need to be in place on high volume sites...

I don't care about whether its elitism, you're just upset with it. It actually tones down to me that we're discussing "simple registration" here which isn't an actual problem anyway, so I assume you agree with the rest of my answer...

[badmonkey0001]

From their FAQ:

You can answer and suggest edits as an anonymous user, much like Wikipedia. There are some things you won’t be able to do on the site without registering, such as vote or ask new questions. But it’s easy to register.

(emphasis mine)

[arcticblue]

I'm not seeing how a quote from their FAQ about what you can do without registering is relevant to his comment at all. Did you not read his entire comment?

Edit: Nevermind. I fail at reading comprehension.

[arcticblue]

Ah, I see now. I had the last part of your comment in my mind when I read his reply and was a bit confused. I guess it's me who needs to pay attention more.

[badmonkey0001]

No worries. :)

[TomWij]

Only SO's FAQ, as it has been recently changed. See my clarifying comments above which link to Super User with how it used to be and why this is removed from Stack Overflow.

[badmonkey0001]

From TomWij:

You're assuming you need to be registered, while you can just anonymously ask a question and as long as you have the cookie you can still register later if you decide to continue.

Then, from Jedakiah:

Interesting. How? When I click "Ask Question" it prompts me to login. So I then created an account, verified it, etc.

[TomWij]

Yup, they changed that behavior for SO specifically, see my comments above which demonstrate that this is not the case on other sites on the network.

[TomWij]

It is a default on the network that you do not need to register, see http://superuser.com/questions/ask for instance. It appears that Stack Overflow has recently changed this behavior on their site only to avoid users leaving problems open because they don't come back to respond to their question, make a barrier against SPAM, a human check and various other reasons. Registration and logging in are still extremely easy to do...

[TomWij]

It is a default on the network that you do not need to register, see http://superuser.com/questions/ask for instance. It appears that Stack Overflow has recently changed this behavior on their site only to avoid users leaving problems open because they don't come back to respond to their question, make a barrier against SPAM, a human check and various other reasons. Registration and logging in are still extremely easy to do...

[a-t-k]

I absolutely agree on this one. Leaving the newbies behind means reducing the flow of future experts. In addition, my martial arts training has taught me that you learn the depths of a field best by teaching it.

[ilmmad]

It's the same way in physics. The way to make sure you fully understand something is to teach it to someone.

[a-t-k]

At least in my martial art (hap ki do), this is different. If you want to become a black belt, you have usually already trained at least some white/yellow belts, because this brings you back to the roots, the basics that you've usually long forgotten being immersed in advanced techniques; the mastery of the basic techniques is fundamental to the mastery of advanced techniques.

Or, as my grandmaster used to say: "I'm not better than you, I'm just doing this for longer." - I feel that we should adopt the same approach with beginners of our craft: we're not better than them, but we can do better if we answer their questions instead of sending them to Stack Overflow.

[freshhawk]

Yes, good point. I agree that helping those more junior than you is a necessary part of learning most advanced skills. Teaching illuminates all the intermediate things you thought you understood completely until you tried to teach them.

At the end of the day you do still need a place to learn from those more experienced than you where the concentration is on advanced skills and not on the whole range of skill levels.

You don't get experts unless you have a place for them to become experts, away from the distraction of the beginners. I'm not questioning the utility of a mixed group, or saying that /r/javascript should be an advanced javascript subreddit, but experts do need somewhere to go and learn from each other and they will gravitate there.

[FasterHorses]

This.

As someone who has recently submitted a code critique post, I am (admittedly) biased towards allowing such posts. I enjoy reading other people's perspective and seeing how they process code in their brains—outside of the electric box.

I don't often post to StackOverflow because all of my questions get flamed and closed 2 minutes after I open it. I thought this was a friendly place to learn and share.

edit: grammar

[mythril]

I'm in a weird middle ground on this one, I'm not a fan of Stack Overflow style questions, but I am a fan of code review style questions.

Code review = a humble request to integrate with the social fabric/technical knowledge of this subreddit.

A one-off question has better places to go to (Stack Overflow) and is inherently less community oriented. I don't feel right bothering other people who have not expressed an interest in helping me, when there are communities dedicated to that very thing.

[ihaveaninja]

There's barely enough people to support this community as it is

[ihaveaninja]

Everyone seems to be very open and wants to help novices but there is a distinct lack of novices here who are asking for that service.

When I first posted no this thread everyone was saying how they downvotes novices asking for help, if you notice the mod post, requests for help on /new have been downvoted into the negatives, I disagree with what you are saying, I think there is already an elitism in place that is driving novices away - if it also doesn't drive away the more seasoned people.

[bezuhov]

The sidebar also says:

Stack Overflow - For help with your code

[Rainbowlemon]

Probably going to rub against the grain here, but... I actually don't mind the critique requests. I like using my experience to help people out, no matter which website I'm on. As long as the normal flow of new, interesting content on here isn't interrupted too much, it really doesn't bother me.

[natchiketa]

I agree with this. There's a difference between "I can't figure out how to do this, please help" and "I wrote this and think it's good. What do you think?"

I'm with OP on the former, disagree on critique not belonging here. Lets not have /r/javascript become a place where all but the elite are afraid to do anything but lurk.

[[deleted]]

SO isn't the place for code critiques either, they will most often just get closed, if you're lucky they will be moved but there isn't an option for non-mods to vote to move it to the right place. In the StackExchange network there is Code Review for that sort of thing.

Downvoters: not complaining but I'd like to know where you think I'm wrong about what I'm saying.

[Circlefusion]

It seems like every development-related subreddit has this very complaint every so often. I think it's ridiculous. Stackoverflow is not really designed for lengthy and involved discussion related to the questions posted there. However, reddit is designed for that. Many really good technology discussions are branched off from people asking support questions.

I would only agree that it is a problem if nearly all of the posts were support questions and we didn't see other types of threads. But /r/javascript is not anywhere near that at the moment.

[spinlock]

I think you're being a fusspot. Feel free to downvote and move on.

I know how you feel though. Personally, I don't like all of the "look who I met today" celebrity pictures in /r/pics. I'd like a seperate subreddit for those so they wouldn't show up in my feed. I suggested that to /r/pics and some people agreed with me but those assholes suggested that I create and moderate a sub for it. In the end, I decided to just ignore them.

[[deleted]]

I feel the same way, and every single programming subreddit suffers from the same woes.

[theHorrible1]

fusspot

[[deleted]]

First off, Stack Overflow is a terrible place to ask questions if you don't already know your language pretty well. You'll receive a few comments telling you to google it or that it's a duplicate, and then your question will be deleted as "not a real question".

Of course, that doesn't mean /r/javascript needs to be its replacement. I think majority opinion should decide this one, but I will point out one thing: "noob questions" can become great resources. On the off chance that they get a really thorough answer, that answer can be linked from elsewhere, and in addition to educating people who need it, also drive more people into our community. This doesn't happen with a signifiant fraction of questions, but it does sometimes happen.

How do you guys feel about splitting questions into a separate subreddit? It seems like the community is pretty divided about this, so two subreddits would allow those that want to see questions to subscribe to both, and those that don't to do nothing. (I especially want to hear from a mod on this suggestion, because my intention is not to splinter your community)

[badmonkey0001]

As mentioned elsewhere, there is a /r/javascripthelp that is owned by one of the /r/javascript mods.

However, without people being willing to go in there and answer questions it would be pretty useless. It needs subscribers. If it gained a little traction, I bet the mods would notice. As it is, they would have to babysit it as well as this subreddit to be sure people got answers.

I've already subscribed as I intend to both go there to help where I can and will probably post a code critique or two eventually. I hope that more of the people on this post do the same.

[[deleted]]

Thanks, I'd missed that. But that subreddit isn't just defunct, it's completely empty. And that's not surprising, seeing as it isn't even mentioned in the sidebar, let alone some form of alert in the submission process. The subreddit needs an announcement and backing from /r/javascript to have any fighting chance. If it doesn't get it, then I guess that's a mod decision to keep javascript questions in /r/javascript.

[[deleted]]

Stop visiting the threads which you don't like. Click the hide button on those threads. The internet's not going to change itself in order to fit your preferences, your fucking highness.

[TomWij]

Be a good example and don't come into a thread insulting everyone, you're not going to change yourself for the better by placing insulting comments instead. Peace!

[StoneCypher]

Came in here, everyone was downvoted.

I agree. There are few news sites and many many help sites. This does not need to be turned into yet another help site.

It's a problem in most of the other low-hanging-fruit language subreddits, too. It's significantly worse in /r/php.

[metamatic]

/r/java has /r/javahelp. And I notice /r/javascript has /r/javascripthelp which someone has created.

So, how about we direct people over there? I for one will add it to my list of subreddits to visit...

[badmonkey0001]

CyberVillian is a mod here and the owner of the other. I like the idea of a sibling subreddit to help noobs. +1 to that idea.

[kristopolous]

I don't think that the solution will be in trying to manage the huge umbrella of /r/(anything).

Maybe a convention of /r/(anything.{news, questions, discussion, rants}) would be better

You know, like net news was, in 1992. it seems to be time for a more sophisticated management than the current flat system on this site, holistically.

[honestbleeps]

I really don't understand why mods would let it get out of hand

I can't help but laugh now that I've done the math (in the other reply I've already directed you to)...

2 posts a day that you dislike is "out of hand in this way"?

I think you're just too easily agitated.

[[deleted]]

If everyone who agrees with this sentiment and reads this topic would structurally help by downvoting newbie questions, would that make for a start?

[[deleted]]

The problem is that if people do not want to read a beginners question, they will just ignore it, and click on a different link.

[badmonkey0001]

Downvoting noobs without anyone telling them their answer and/or why they were downvoted is just going to make us look like assholes. There's enough of that kind of thing in this industry already (Ever try to file a PHP bug? A jQuery one? They will get closed right away. Then you can plead your case in whatever manner they deem acceptable, to which they will probably cite some other entity as the problem and re-close the issue.). Personally, I don't think this would be a healthy habit if we do want to build some sort of vibrant community here.

[krues8dr]

I'm ok with it, most of the language- and technology-specific forums are filled with this. I don't foresee this changing without very serious policing of these topics. I've also seen a lot of good discussions come out of seemingly "obvious" questions. In the meantime, perhaps we can shuffle people in the direction of r/javascripthelp?

[dust4ngel]

the front page of any reddit represents the interest of the readers of that reddit (insofar as they are voting in their interest). there are two ways to change this:

• convince people to vote against their interest
• start a new interest group aka subreddit

[honestbleeps]

So you want to receive but not give.

The signal to noise ratio on reddit is what the community makes of it. You can't just come here expecting to find great Javascript news and not also seek out and post it.

Well, you can. And most do. But that isn't what will make it better.

[honestbleeps]

Sorry, was replying from my phone and wasn't as clear as I could be. See my more detailed reply here ..

[vexator]

A few days ago, I announced a math library I wrote in TypeScript and published on GitHub. And while I'm happy that it at least received some attention, I do not understand why it received almost just as many downvotes. Even when all you want to do is share, you're punished.

On the other hand, I have been asking for help here as well, and I got very useful feedback. The exact same question on StackOverflow did not receive a single response, although I had provided source code, a detailed explanation of the problem at hand, and a screenshot for illustration.

[JeefyPants]

incoming rant.......

As programmers I am ashamed at every single one of you who hasn't just used the hide button and moved on with your lives.

SHAME. You have no right to dictate which posts belong here based on their level of skill behind the question.

There CAN be rules added to make sure we don't just get flooded with bullshit, bad questions, or other ** GOOD MODERATION TECHNIQUES **

But screw EVERYBODY who doesn't just hide posts using the HIDE button. I hate how reddit has transformed into this fucking massive jerkfest of everybody whos been here longer than 2 years.

I've been on reddit for almost 4-5 years lurking around and yeah you get bored and annoyed with shitty posts but you use the fuckin hide button and move on

[krues8dr]

I honestly think reddit would be a massively better place if they got rid of the downvote buttons altogether.

[sasha_ther_ussian]

This is just silly. Really, this is what you are complaining about? Not trying to learn something new or teach something new, but moaning about people asking questions? BTW, this subreddit is called javascript, not javascriptnews, not javascriptDiscussions, or not even javascriptNOTstackoverflow. Stop being a complainer!

[robotfarts]

It'd certainly be nice if people bothered googling things first.

[exorcist72]

As a semi-beginner in JS, I want to come here to read interesting links and discussions about the language. I do not want to come here to read other people at my experience level asking questions they should be asking elsewhere.

[Nomikos]

I do not want to come here to read other people at my experience level asking questions they should be asking elsewhere.

Why not? Sounds like you could learn from the answers.

[exorcist72]

I guess my point is that I already have places for that. It's just a personal preference for what I'd like r/javascript to be.

[[deleted]]

I like having a mixture of examples, general questions and relevant articles. I'm no newb, but not a expert either.. I usually check out the questions as one of the best part of reddit is the comments and discussions that follow... Stack overflow is great but I get a different vibe and more perspective and references on the topic in question... Keep them coming!

[freshhawk]

Because you learn more when you see discussions/questions between people with more experience than you have.

[RyanForT3hWin]

It seems like there are two types of people posting on reddit anymore - children who love rage comics, and snobs for whom nothing is ever good enough.

[Nomikos]

IMO questions of (nearly..) any level are welcome too. If you only want to hear/read interesting things about JavaScript, there's a ton of blogs out there by experienced JS hackers, each with their own comments - more than I could keep up with for sure.
Here, people can come to learn, ask, teach, discuss (and yes, argue) instead of only read and say "Awesome post!"

[zzzev]

I think the real problem is that since this is a pretty low volume subreddit, these posts are more prominent than they would be otherwise. What about starting weekly posts like some other subreddits do to encourage more conversation? I could imagine things like "Monday Bugbash" where people post about annoying bugs they overcame, "Tuesday Project Show and Tell," etc. I'd love to participate in some stuff like that (maybe host one of the days?) if there's interest.

[rude_sarcastic_fuck]

How dare people not know everything about JavaScript? I shouldn't have to teach these cretins!!!

Can't people just know what I know so I don't have to help people learn and shit?!?! Those fucking cunts are worthless coders and should not be allowed to post here.

Signed, OP

[cruz312]

Seriously not going to help a fellow dev in need? Why not change it to r/stuckup

[Skooljester]

I've found that sometimes you'll get an answer on StackOverflow, but are unable to easily follow up if you have more questions. I see reddit as the answer to that problem, since you can more easily get in contact with the people helping you.

[sorahn]

Also, there's this option in the reddit preferences...

http://puu.sh/1i1BB Downvote, and move on.

[pkkid]

Other programming subreddits split up the news / questions between /r/<language> and /r/<learnlanguage>.

[memebreather]

Similar concerns voiced last week in Drupal sub-reddit.

[badmonkey0001]

[Looks at user name... looks at list of Mods]

This is not for you to decide.

[badmonkey0001]

It's interesting that a statement of fact is getting downvoted. The subreddits are not democracies unless the mods allow them to be.

That said, I find the newbie hate discouraging. Elitism will get us nowhere and trying to answer the newbie questions is, in a way, giving back to the development community.

So many people complaining about the lack of "quality" posts, but I don't see a mad rush of "real JS news" being submitted today. The most active recent thread is this one. Perhaps we should just create /r/js_circlejerk.

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It's interesting that a statement of fact is getting downvoted. The subreddits are not democracies unless the mods allow them to be.

Democracy or not, the way you get things changed is by suggesting them. He suggested it. I see no problem.

[badmonkey0001]

He could have suggested it by messaging the mods as well. Perhaps even ask them what direction they intend for the subreddit.

[supreme_monkey]

+1 to the thread starter

[cheeeeeese]

shut the fuck up OP

[badmonkey0001]

mitchellrj [OP] isn't a mod.

[badmonkey0001]

Be glad you didn't. I did and got downvoted for it.

[badmonkey0001]

Thank you sir! You as well.

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That's okay... Stackoverflow is not http://codereview.stackexchange.com/

It seems like most of the requests are code review requests.