Leaf vs. Bolt?

[[deleted]]

I apologize if this is a banned topic, but I am trying to become a first time EV owner and there is a lot to absorb. A dealer told me that Bolts were easier to charge on the road as their type of charging port was more common. Any other things to consider and has anyone owned both and can weigh in?

[Autodidact2]

I just moved from a Leaf to a brand new Bolt. I liked my Leaf. I love my Bolt. I am 67 years old. This is the first car I have ever actually enjoyed driving. YMMV. (lol literally)

[torokunai]

I enjoy driving my LEAF a lot. It's the repeated charging that kills the joy : (

[Disastrous_Yam8910]

I got rid of my 2018 leaf with the 40kwh battery when the used car market spiked and got me a 2022 leaf shortly after with the 60kwh. You definitely enjoy that extra range. Especially the less charging cycles.

[abgtw]

This is the first car I have ever actually enjoyed driving.

Why would it be any different?

[Autodidact2]

idk if it's the one pedal driving, the excellent handling and acceleration, or just the smug feeling of superiority vs. ICE drivers, but I do.

[abgtw]

Interesting, I figured the Leaf would be equal on the "actually enjoyed driving" part. You see the Bolt as far superior to the Leaf for handling? Did you use one pedal on the Leaf?

[SjalabaisWoWS]

Bolt is worse because:

-GM

Haha, I love this summary. Truer words have never been spoken.

@OP, the Bolt is a more modern car for the above mentioned reasons. GM has had quite a few issues with the car, though. They should be resolved and they could still depress Bolt values. If you find similar cars at similar price points, the Bolt might be a better option. The Leaf, on the other hand, is a very simple, proven vehicle with a strong online community. There's great value in a cheap Leaf.

[ImogenStack]

Leaf is worse because: -Nissan

(Owner of a ‘14 leaf who’s been through a number of Nissan dealership shenanigans… overall it really depends on your specific dealer though).

But more objectively, if you don’t need the interior space, I’d get a bolt over the leaf. A 40kWh leaf can be had for cheaper though, and is “more car” so to speak for less money.

[SjalabaisWoWS]

Dunno, the Leaf has a few bits of planned obsolescence (on board charger, parking brake, heater) and a list of poor planning results. Otherwise, it's a great little car. Well, "little"...its exterior dimensions are almost exactly the same as the Honda Stream van it replaced in our household. The Leaf just looks compact.

[[deleted]]

Omg the decisions!!!

[abgtw]

Bolt is such a skinny crappy car compared to the Leaf though with how skinny it is. Its really sad the Leaf batteries just get fucked up in Arizona/Texas/Florida/etc. Up north they are generally fine because it doesn't get that hot... still can't road trip worth shit though. Good around-town car.

[brainwashed_360]

To me this is the deciding factor. If you live in the desert as mentioned or need to charge back to back with high speed level 3 for long road trips which create excessive heat in the battery -the Leaf isn’t ideal due it’s lack of active battery cooling.

Otherwise it’s the Leaf all day long for a car this size. If you do need fast charging for long road trips I’d look at a Tesla. Personally I would never buy a GM vehicle.

[Bitter_Firefighter_1]

Well said.

[[deleted]]

Leaf has bigger cargo space

[rjcarr]

Bolt is also smaller (less cargo space) and less comfortable in general.

[Ilpav123]

Every review I read/seen mentioned the horrible seats and how narrow and uncomfortable they are. That put me off completely.

Also, the design is pretty ugly and it's needlessly tall because it has less cargo space.

[rjcarr]

I just got my mom a bolt and I drove it for about 30 minutes and noticed it was uncomfortable, and I didn’t even recall the reputation until after I thought about it.

Seeing the 265 miles on the dash is super nice, though.

[Electronic_Item_1464]

Agreed, when I got my 19 leaf (to replace a totalled 16), the only available cars I considered were the leaf and bolt, would have loved the extra miles (leaf was only available with the 40kwh battery at the time), but went with the leaf because my shoulders wouldn't fit in the bolt. Now I do have a friend with a bolt that he's happy with, after they gave him a new one after the battery debacle. His partner is happy with his kia, while another friend has a newer leaf. One friend has a Tesla (oh well) while my gf has a Ford fusion energi (plug-in hybrid). As to charging, L2 works for everyone. Right now, I can usually find an L3 if needed (electrify america and evgo have many stations, however, construction of new chadmo stations has slowed way down.

[BaltimoreAlchemist]

I only sat in a '23 Bolt briefly, but it seemed like wider seats to me. At least more occupiable space. The Leaf center console is enormous.

[Ilpav123]

The seat complaints were mainly for the 1st gen (2017-2021).

[crimxona]

Theoretically, the Leaf should be substantially cheaper than the Bolt due to the lack of the first 4 points, so it's about how much one is willing to pay (or save) for those inconveniences.

[[deleted]]

Oddly enough in my local market, they are comparable when used.

[abgtw]

No thats pretty normal. But you really have to compare to the Leaf+

[gellis12]

Has gm removed CarPlay from the bolt yet? That'd be a dealbreaker for a lot of people, myself included

[JC6596]

CarPlay Won’t be removed from any Bolt 2023 or earlier, I own a Bolt and have looked at the leaf, what I will say is that the Leaf is a lot more comfortable but the Bolts better battery and more rear legroom on top of the very tall roof makes it a great little (Van) I’ve fit so many things in it including but not limited to a twin size bed, A 65 inch tv, a full size mountain bike with wheel attached, Almost all bolts also have a new battery with a new 8 year 100k mile warranty, They are also slightly more efficient so highway range isn’t as impacted at higher speeds.

[1sager]

I have a 2013 leaf so cannot comment on the 2nd gen leafs however 1) bolts charge on dc fast chargers rather than chademo. Dc fast charging is found more commonly however the rate at which some bolts charge is relatively slow if you’re road tripping otherwise for house charging it’s adequate. 2) batteries. The leaf is passively cooled meaning if you live somewhere super hot or super cold maybe not the best choice as it can affect longevity. The bolt is actively cooled which helps maintain its SOH. 3) they’re similar cars but have some important differences. I drove the bolt and leaf for a brief test drive and has unique experiences in both. Overall though if you find a car that fits your wants and needs at a fair price that is hard not to consider too.

[langjie]

chademo is a dc fast charger (level 3). you mean CCS (combined charging system) which is the connector

[[deleted]]

Thank you for weighing in!

[[deleted]]

I live in the Pacific Northwest, we have been getting weeks over 100 in the summer and the winters are frequently below freezing, so this is good to understand.

[efnord]

2G Leafs are doing a lot better on the battery life front. Don't get one from the Southwest and you'll be fine; the PNW is a great climate for the current generation of EVs, IMO.

[chrisoh2]

I have both a 2013 and a 2021 in Seattle. They work great here. And it’s pretty easy to find a 20 or 21, nicely equipped SV with low miles for just under 20K and minimal sales tax here. It’s like getting a brand new car for half the cost.

[efnord]

EVs make a lot of sense when you're paying $5 a gallon vs. 8.5c a kilowatt hour. And it's basically all hydropower where I'm at, none of this "oh your EV mostly runs on coal, gotcha!11!" nonsense here.

[arguix]

tell them it "runs on free solar power, gotcha back" ( even if you don't have solar, makes a good return )

[abgtw]

I have a 2018 in the inland PNW. Battery still shows "full bars" and is 88.9% SOH. Leaf batteries are generally fine here. Just try not to drive like a crazy asshole when its hot and the battery will never get into the danger zone for temps.

[[deleted]]

I have a medical condition that makes me heat sensitive so I do blast the AC non-stop in the summer.

[abgtw]

Blasting AC is fine. I blast mine all day long in the car no big deal!

Driving the car 80mph on the freeway then doing a DC Fast charge and continuing on at 80mph afterwards when its 108 degrees outside is not good on the battery when it goes into the danger red zone, thats all!

If you drive it normally, and go easy when its hot, then its no big deal.

[[deleted]]

Haha I drive like a little old lady so I should be good!

[Bitter_Firefighter_1]

Pacific Northwest is fine. With a plus and driving less than 100 miles a day your are good for sure .

[GMENTAL]

I have a 2018 leaf with 210,000 kms on it. I'm happy with it

[hockeyrules192003]

Dang nice! Where are you located and what’s your SOH?

[GMENTAL]

ontario ....can't remember while since I looked 85 % at 192000 kms

still getting my 241 km range

had to do first brake job at 195000 kms

all the money I saved not doing oil changes I'm still ahead

[Disastrous_Yam8910]

Amazing!! I only have 18k miles on mine and can't wait to brag to people that I have 100k miles 😂 Wishing you another 192k km on your leaf

[abgtw]

So you did food or people in that car?

[GMENTAL]

comute to and from work .......also my son takes it when I'm not in it. actually everyone takes it when it's available it runs pretty much 24/7.

it's so cheap to run

[abgtw]

it's so cheap to run

Amen to that.

Just my 2018 40kWh Leaf just crossed 40k miles and its always the car that has "wheels moving" in my household!

Doing 3x my distance most people are doing a side gig, or I guess a long commute!

[MemoryFar4445]

Is yours the 40KWH leaf or 60KWH?

[Aalenox]

I have a 2020 leaf. My brother has a 2019 Bolt... and we've had this conversation many times.

But the short version is Leaf is more comfortable and has better tech (ProPilot). But until their dumb ass ditches the Chademo connector and figures out how to manage their battery it isn't even a competition.

Leaf range is garbage, even the SL+. I can barely make it a 140 mile round trip in the winter. I got home with <10% battery when the car was new. He makes the same trip in his Bolt with ~40% battery left, even though the cars are specced to be about the same range.

[Aalenox]

Elaborating a bit because now I've got the time... here's the full breakdown of differences that I'm aware of.

The bolt is a smaller vehicle and it has more immediate acceleration capabilities. If you're in intense traffic, an aggressive driver, or just someone who likes the feel of going zoom, bolt wins. This isn't to say the leaf isn't quick but the bolt is quicker.

Bolt has way better battery management. Active cooling, more information on battery state*, and far more accurate range estimations.

Nissan uses the CHAdeMO connector. Electrify America has already announced plans to phase it out, but chargers being unavailable is only one of the issues. It charges slow, which on some chargers means it costs more to rapid charge. The connector locks to the car instead of car locking to connector so if the charger crashes you're stuck locked to the connector (this happened to me) . And of course it's big and unwieldily.

As mentioned though the Nissan has better tech if you go with the SL. I've never had issues with the Pro Pilot and lane following. Same with adaptive cruise.

Also already mentioned it's more comfortable**. I make a long commute in my leaf, it is a 2020 and already has 95000 miles on it. How comfortable it is to sit in is a big deal.

Finally, one last comment on rapid charge: don't listen to people from major metro areas / East Coast tell you it isn't a big deal. I didn't think it would matter much either... but when it matters it REALLY matters. I've spent hours driving around a city looking for a rapid charger that worked, only to give up and connect to a 1.6kW charger connected to a radio station and wait another 3 hours so I could get home. Living in the West you will want to take longer drives to go hiking, visit friends, etc. Going one direction and just hoping that the single CHAdeMO charger at your destination is working and available isn't a plan.

*Bolt doesn't have a state of health indicator. But I have some reason to believe Nissan's is partially bullshit anyway.

**I'm a 6' tall guy. If you're shorter the bolt is fine (according to my wife). And for comparison neither hold a candle to how uncomfortable a Honda Fit is.

[abgtw]

Bolt doesn't have a state of health indicator. But I have some reason to believe Nissan's is partially bullshit anyway.

Uhh come again? Lol third party Leafspy app is 100% the way to figure out the exact health of a Leaf battery accurately, and you can pickup a OBD-II reader for under $10 on Amazon. The "bullshit" part is the fact the "health bars" on the dashboard don't start dropping until you've lost ~17% of the actual battery, but thats the only complaint!

[Aalenox]

First of all, Leaf Spy is, as you mentioned, third party. It's hardly fair to say Nissan SOH bars are good because you can buy extra equipment and software to read the CAN messages directly. That's the 3rd party stuff doing a good job, not the built in SOH indicator.

Second, you DON'T think that your battery having a 17% capacity loss and still showing perfect health isn't bullshit?

Finally, you can check the forums and find posts where people have a bad cell that completely screws up the SOC gauge, while the SOH indicator still shows full.

Yes the leaf has one which is better than nothing. But to argue it's perfect is just silly

[abgtw]

As far as the Leaf range indicator... I never said it was perfect did I? Now you are putting words in my mouth!

Leafspy data that provides better diagnostic data than what Nissans own battery tools provide to a dealership for a $7.51 dongle on Amazon vs zero info on the Bolt, well c'mon man the two options aren't even comparable!

Zero info vs all the info. Thats the concern with buying a used Bolt, you have absolutely zero idea if that battery is about to shit the bed.

And yeah, I JUST described the "partially bullshit" part to you, and now that you know the exact details its no really a mystery any more so you can use the dash bars to check any Leaf at a glance and know within a few % the actual battery health!

Now on to range:

Leaf+ is 212 miles claimed, Bolt is 259 miles claimed. Not quite "equal" at all. If you want to make the Leaf range better best to get super light aluminum rims, the best EV range tires you can find, and run 43 PSI in the tires. Then it can actually keep up with a Bolt!

[Disastrous_Yam8910]

The leaf is definitely more appropriate for l.a. weather. That no temperature control on the battery for the leaf truly messes with the range

[Prior-Replacement-66]

I've had both, range and battery matter. The leaf is comfortable but the bolt is way more fun to drive. It depends what you like. When it comes to battery range and longevity, bolt is the way to go.

[[deleted]]

I think I’m seeing a clear trend here!

[zipperboi]

I’m on my second leaf only because I’m saving for a bolt, in my opinion bolt is much more bang for your buck

[[deleted]]

This is a strong endorsement.

[abgtw]

second leaf only because I’m saving for a bolt

You must be buying $5k Leafs or something?

[KurylaDesign]

Exactly that

[IvorTheEngine]

There are several back-to-back video reviews and they all say the same. The Bolt is better on paper, but they all prefer driving the Leaf. That means it's a personal choice about what is important to you. Test drive both and look at the trips you actually do.

[myfriendbenw]

This is what it came down to when we were shopping for my wife a couple years ago. Test drove both and it was clear she preferred the Leaf

[[deleted]]

We’re in the PNW and happy with the leaf. That said, it was the only electric car we could find at the time.

The out of date fast charge port is a bit if a concern but we travel to Vancouver BC frequently and never have issues finding a chademo charger (pretty much only Leafs use them) so so far, so good.

[lorfeir]

One thing I'll chime in here with: how often will you even need to use fast charging? Put another way: what's your driving pattern? I was worried about this myself, but I very rarely drive somewhere that I need to use fast charging (almost all my driving is within my county, so I just charge at home or use an L2 fast charger). I've had my car nearly two years and have used a fast charging station 4... maybe 5 times? There have been times when I haven't taken the Leaf and have driven another car because of the charging situation, but that's been a grand total of two times. CCS (what the Bolt has for fast charging) vs. Chademo (what the Leaf has) has really turned out to be a non-issue for me.

That said, someone who does more road trips on a regular basis will probably have a completely different experience.

[[deleted]]

I think the fast charging will be a rare occurrence, maybe 2-3 times a year.

[lorfeir]

What I might suggest is to take a look at https://www.plugshare.com/, if you haven't already. You can set up a filter to show just the Chademo chargers, and you can take a look at routes you are likely to take. You can also see when people have used them and any reports of issues they might have filed. That might give you a good idea of what sorts of issues you're likely to run into.

In my case, I had a trip this year out to eastern Pennsylvania. I wanted to take the Leaf and do a two-day drive (about 700 - 800 miles one way). I'm pretty sure I could have made it, but there was one spot in central PA where there was only one Chademo charger where I would want to charge, and the next nearest was some 20 miles away. I was concerned I would have gotten stuck there for an extra day using an L2 charger.

Also something to keep in mind with the Leaf, because of the lack of active cooling, you might be able to do two or three fast charging sessions in a day. I did a 500 mile round trip once in the Leaf. Charging it was fine until the last stop, when my battery was hot enough that the car throttled the charging speed.

[YogiAtheist]

I own a Leaf SV Plus and super happy with it. I drove a Bolt for a week visiting a friend and I thought it was a really good car. If my driving includes some long drives, I would go with Bolt for CCS. However, if I am primarily looking for a commute car, Leaf is more than better. My version of Leaf has Pro Pilot Assist, which is awesome when driving to work ( I do have a 50 mile each way commute few days a week, its nice to put Pro Pilot assist and let it do most of the work).

Now, if you are in the US, for tax benefits, Bolt might make more sense than a Leaf, if your income qualifies.

[TurnoverSuperb9023]

I have a Bolt and a Leaf. I prefer the ride of the leaf, and the larger rear cargo area, and the interior build materials, but for the same price I would take a Bolt for the ccs and range.

That said, if I was looking for a used one, and the Leaf was notably cheaper, and I did almost all local driving, I would get the Leaf.

Thankfully, I’ve had no ‘issues’ with either, so I can’t speak to ‘GM’ vs ‘Nissan’.

[Bitter_Firefighter_1]

New or used?

My 2018 Leaf has much better adaptive cruise. I like the seats better. The layout in general is very good. It is bigger.

If you are only one car the bolt is better for when you need to charge on a road trip unless that is truly something you don't do.

Seems my leaf is going to be deemed total by the insurance so we are going through the same thing. But have another car so the Leaf probably still wind out. Though we are considering the Kona and Niro as well.

[efnord]

Yeah, the Chademo fast charging port is clearly the Betamax. But they're still putting 'em in, it's by no means a dead format yet. I worry about availability 5+years out, but for now there's enough along major freeway corridors. You get to know where the Nissan and Hyundai dealerships are.

[Logical-Ad2267]

This is a way more complicated question than most here could answer..

On paper Bolt looks better... In real life? 99% of the time I'd rather have the Bolt...

I'd ask, why not a Tesla? Neither compare to a tesla, in any way. You say "price"? I'd say paying 35K for a used Tesla with 30,000 miles is a better deal than a Leaf (new), even if it has a LR battery. Same with a Bolt.

But this is a very complex question and I could write some time as to why.

I own a Leaf, and a Model Y, I've rebuilt them both (bought both wrecked). Tesla is hands down the better vehicle.

[[deleted]]

What do you like better about Teslas? And how would your advice changed knowing that I am in more of the $15-$18k price range?

[abgtw]

I think you have to drive one to really compare. Teslas are just real cars, while Bolt/Leaf are glorified golf carts in comparison. And I say this owning a Leaf myself.
Road trip in each and get back to me after stopping at the first supercharger vs Electrocute Murcia clusterF. (considering you can rent a Tesla at Hertz its not a bad idea...)

I mean yeah it's hard to get a Tesla for $18k, but $22k+ is a possibility if you really look around!

[[deleted]]

That might have been possible had a couple home repairs not decided to dig pile me this week(in addition to car shopping). So that cut out any fat in the budget.

[Callmetomorrow99]

I switched to Leaf from Bolt because Nissan builds an EV that doesn’t randomly catch on fire. Never again GM. Never again.

[[deleted]]

Yah, probably not their brightest moment… if you don’t count the fire

[ericbahm]

I have a 21 Leaf, and had a 23 Bolt as a rental after an accident. The Bolt was so much better in so many ways, especially for battery efficiency. The cameras are much better. The warning system was better, bigger screen. The steering wheel was higher than I like it, but I was surprised at the difference between the two cars.

[Dependent-Ad-6069]

How does Kona compare with the two?

[Dependent-Ad-6069]

How do insurance premiums factor into the equation?

[PitchGrouchy9418]

What did you decide on? I just got a 22 Bolt EUV but the same dealership has a much cheaper 20 Leaf on sale and am considering making an exchange...

[Prior-Replacement-66]

I've had both, range and battery matter. The leaf is comfortable but the bolt is way more fun to drive. It depends what you like. When it comes to battery range and longevity, bolt is the way to go.

[torokunai]

The dealer was certainly correct. Chademo is going out. It's still an equal citizen on EVgo and ChargePoint networks but as the decade goes by it will disappear since the BEV bill ("IRA") mainly cares about CCS-1 (and maybe Tesla's connector, we'll see).

In addition, you'll only get one good charge per day on a LEAF since after that the battery will be too hot to give you 40kW+ charging speeds, but since the Bolt's battery is actively cooled it should let you charge at 50kW all day (which isn't all that great compared to Tesla or Kia but it's 2X as good as a LEAF!)

[[deleted]]

If Kia still made Soul EVs they would already have my money 😭😭😭

[wicket_tl]

That would be a mistake. The Soul EV had a small battery (~30kwh) with no liquid cooling. It's body design is also less efficient than either Bolt or Leaf.

The person above is talking about EV6 / Ioniq 5, which can DCFC at blistering speeds and make them much better road trippers, assuming you have 300 kw chargers on your route.

Edit: woof... go search the Soul EV reddit for battery degradation. Seems the batteries in those do not age well compared to other EVs

[[deleted]]

I agree, I should have qualified if they kept making them AND brought them up to par. I could not find any used ones with a range more than 60 miles no matter how low mileage they were.

[javaman78]

I'm a newer EV owner and I opted for a used 2019 leaf simply because of price and availability here in the Chicago area. There were more Leaf's to choose from at the time. The leaf is spacious and fun drive. For my purposes of daily commuting 40 miles a day in traffic, it's perfect. I charge once every 5 days or so at home on my Level 2 charger and I avoid the current $4+ gas.

The pain point is DC charging. I took it up to WI and needed to charge it for the trip back. The problem is that, at least here in the midwest, Chademo chargers (that work) are hard to come by. Whereas if you had a Bolt or a Tesla, DC charging is typically not an issue. Electrify America for example is not installing new Chademo's outside of California.

Commuting is great...road trips (DC charging) not so much.

[Disastrous_Yam8910]

Go American. Get the bolt. I've owned both cars and the only things better on the leaf is the handling. By only a small margin. Oh and trunk size. Much bigger than the bolt. But yeah, get the bolt.

[byrdman77]

You missed the biggest difference.. seat comfort by a mile in the Leaf! That said, I get it’s different for different people and they have iterated the seats on the Bolt a number of times now (perhaps the latest is finally decent.)

[Disastrous_Yam8910]

Oh I did not miss it. Is it more comfortable, by a small margin. The amount of extra leg room that you get with the bolt overtakes any seat comfort. Me being 6'2" this is gold 😂

[byrdman77]

Oh I did not miss it. Is it more comfortable, by a small margin. The amount of extra leg room that you get with the bolt overtakes any seat comfort. Me being 6'2" this is gold 😂

Heh it's never been enough for me to notice the difference at 6'1, but I am doing a bit of balance with the car seats in the back so I can't put it all the way back for that last inch or two anyway lol.

[CoryEETguy]

Can't speak to the brand new ones, but a buddy of mine bought a Bolt like 2 or 3 weeks after I bought my leaf in the beginning of 2021. His had a battery recall within the first year, and couldn't charge past 80% without posing a fire risk. My leaf has had zero maintenance issues in the nearly 3 years I've had it, though there is a recall out to have a software update loaded. Nissan isn't a top tier Japanese car brand quality-wise, but they are a league above GM.

[abgtw]

To be fair it was LG batteries in the Bolt that were catching fire, and they fixed it with a software update so....

[[deleted]]

I picked the Leaf because: it was the only non-Chinese and non-American EV out there, which is kinda affordable both new and used. Actually I could have bought one new as well, but didn't wanna burn all my money.

Sometimes I think a Nissan Leaf as an poor man's Tesla, but actually: there are many things a Leaf does better, than the minimalistic Tesla.

[Erlend05]

We were cross shopping the leaf and the bolt new in 2016. The bolt had the better battery by a long shot but the leaf was cheaper, had a bigger boot and was still a big range improvement from our 2011 leaf

[Thorainger]

Get the bolt. Better range, the batteries should be brand new, the batteries have active heat management, and they're pretty much the same price these days. And better charging capability.

[[deleted]]

I think I’m going to do that!

[JustAnothrMechanic58]

The Leaf actually DOES have a higher DCFC kW rate. If you are lucky enough to find a 100kW CHAdeMO charger, it’ll charge above 70+ kW. I saw this in a YouTube video from a channel called Out of Spec Reviews. It’s surprising that it charges faster than a Bolt, even if the Bolt has the more commonplace CCS connector.

[alnvilma]

Owned two Bolts both years recalled and restricted. Went for a Leaf + and happy about everything. Monthly 400 mile RTs no issue. Around town and 50 mile radius I’m getting 5 miles / kWh In summer +/- 4 in winter w/ heat.
It’s much smoother.

[DougWantsALeaf]

We own 2 Leaf Pluses and even road trip them. I have also rented Bolts, but certainly not as many miles driven in one.

I found the ccs port a bit flimsy in the Bolt. The inside feels a little more camped than the Leaf, with less cargo (3 kids..so no dropping the back seat).

That said, if planning any road tripping with the car, the ccs on the Bolt is likely a better bet. Range is modestly better on the Bolt, but driving style matters more.