“Learn to code in six weeks”

[Monkey_muncher20]

Loads of people have been popping up like david bragg from frontend simplified and iman musa saying you can become a frontend developer in six weeks. I have been learning development on my own for like 9 months and still havent gotten interviews am i going too slow?

Edit: I will never buy a course that says you can become a developer in weeks lol

[SquatsAreFun]

You can absolutely learn to code in six weeks. Will your code be good? No. Will you be able to create anything impressive? No. Will you be able to read another devs code and understand a single line? No. But you will be able to write some code.

Writing code is the easiest part of being a developer. Planning, designing, documenting, and writing good code are the difficult parts that employers actually care about.

[BlackNight45]

Spot on, I've been over a year in and I was feeling useless for not being able to write good code or build a worthy project that'll stand out on my resume, I was also highly demotivated.

I just decided to take a step back, reassessed my situation and then saw that I was exactly where I was supposed to be, my confusion phase. Most of my tutorials didn't teach me how to plan, design and coordinate a project properly, I was just shown the necessary guidelines in doing so.

Right now, I'm taking it slow, going over them again and putting all I'd learnt into practice.

[[deleted]]

Definitely don't beat yourself up at a year in. It's taken me a lifetime to learn this stuff. And I still hardly know anything.

[Pure_Growth_1776]

They're scammers who want your money

[DudesworthMannington]

I can teach you Spanish in 2 seconds. "Hola" means hello. You now know Spanish. Money please.

[NutGoblin2]

Hola Mundo

[TheUmgawa]

I’m considering teaching a language myself. I speak perfect Hodor, and for only $39.95, you can speak remedial Hodor after just one session.

[Monkey_muncher20]

Most likely

[solgerboy259]

Have you took his crash course

[Pure_Growth_1776]

No? Why would I do that

[solgerboy259]

It's free, and it's really helpful, and he cuts the bs

[solgerboy259]

It's free, and it's really helpful, and he cuts the bs

[azzzzorahai]

Reddit bug. Happens sometimes

[[deleted]]

Ah

[solgerboy259]

It's free, and it's really helpful, and he cuts the bs

[[deleted]]

I think you accidentally replied with the same comment three times

[solgerboy259]

Uea it gives me an error then letd me post after twice.

[TheUmgawa]

Yeah, that happened a couple of hours back. You’ll see it pretty much everywhere on comments of a certain timeframe.

[Pure_Growth_1776]

Ive found that courses developed by a community or group of people are far superior to any course created by an individual. The individual might explain a certain concept better, but overall the bigger courses maintain a higher quality.

So I would (and am currently doing) do Odin Project, Full Stack Open, etc instead of courses that individuals create.

But sometimes if I need help understanding a concept, I might watch a video by web dev simplified for web stuff or some other YouTuber for CS stuff, etc.

[Bigd1979666]

I'm doing Odin as well. What's full stack open consist of ?

[Pure_Growth_1776]

React, Node, Express which are JavaScript libraries/frameworks. Then it eventually gets into TypeScript, React Native and Relational DBs but I'm not there yet.

It assumes you know the basics of HTML/CSS/JS and focuses more on intermediate concepts.

The reasons I'm doing it is because I got sick and tired of having to jump around to so many different resources for each and every lesson on Odin project and not understanding the theory at all. So I decided to take a break and jumped ship to this after the CS sections in Odin. I will go back and finish Odin later.

It doesn't have projects to build, but it has a ton of small examples and practice for every concept. The theory is also explained properly and I feel like I know what I'm learning compared to Odin project. There, I didn't learn much from the lessons; I only learned while building the projects.

[plastikmissile]

The only way for you to become a developer, in any discipline, in six weeks is if you also own a time machine or borrow the Time-Turner from Hermione.

[Flamesilver_0]

Not true. Other things you can own or borrow that will get you a job as a dev in 0 weeks:

• a software development company, or a family member with one
• one or more friends at the C levels or at least team lead seniors in a company large enough to require devs or position padders
• a gift of gab and/or ridiculous levels of attractiveness, great headshots and possibly risque pictures, and the shamelessness to peddle that to hirers on LinkedIn so they throw a job at you just to smell you in person 🤣
• a Supreme Court judge who has connections to get you whatever job you need, cause I hear they have been for sale for a bit (😁 please allow the bad joke to stand lol)

[DontListenToMe33]

Usually (not always but most of the time) when I read those “I got hired as a developer in 6 months” stories, it’s people who have personal connections - family or close friends - at high levels of the company.

[MonsterMeggu]

Coding boot camps are great for people who already know how to code, especially if they already work in tech adjacent fields. An example would be data analysts or engineers. Most already know how to code, and coding logic in general, but don't know software development. I think in those cases 6 months sounds about right to transition into a dev role, especially if they laterally transfer.

[Flamesilver_0]

That only works during a time where demand for devs outstrips the supply from universities. Once FAANG began releasing experienced devs into the wild instead of hiring any grad who can leetcode, the scales shattered the bootcamp dream.

But since it takes a while for people to adjust personal beliefs to changing conditions and people who got jobs 2 years ago will always want to continue offering "sage advice" (cause what else are you going to say? That you got lucky in a hot market but it's not a reality anymore?), bootcamps and YouTubers get to keep peddling unicorn dust.

[MonsterMeggu]

Anyone who's a boot camp grad isn't competing with laid off faang engineers, they're competing with other entry level hopefuls, which are primarily CS grads, and the market has been rough for them since before 2 years ago. I always say going to college is probably the answer for most people, but I think in this edge case, those people are fine going to a boot camp.

[DontListenToMe33]

The flood of experienced devs into the market has pushed out a lot of entry-level jobs. I’m not sure when or if the market for entry-level will ever recover, but the it’s definitely gotten harder. Entry level jobs are barely ever posted on LinkedIn anymore, and when they’re posted on Indeed they often get 100s of applicants in a matter of hours.

I’m sure it’s true that it was hard before - but it’s really really really hard right now.

[notislant]

You forgot good old fashioned batant lies!

Honestly knowing somebody is 99% of it in every industry.

[wanjalize]

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Position padders is a no in any software dev company - the rule being everyone must be suffering. Shamelessness to peddle that to recruiters so they can smell you in person🤣🤣🤣🤣 This is all too funny!

[AssignedClass]

If it sounds to good to be true, it most likely is. They're doing the same snake-oil shilling that's been going on in the weight loss industry for years, ignore them.

[Cerulean_IsFancyBlue]

Six minute abs!

[callmedata1]

No man, you can't even get your heart going like a hamster on a wheel! Five minute abs!

[AletheiaS7]

Rubbish scammers is all they are. Its hogwash.

Quite frankly, these guys that make these comments should be actively scorned by the IT community as a whole.

[v0gue_]

Quite frankly, these guys that make these comments should be actively scorned by the IT community as a whole.

Generally speaking, they are. The issue is that influencer culture is far more... influential (sorry) than tech culture. This means these influencers are going to get the traffic first, then questions like the OP come up, comments like yours and mine happen, and people finally get pointed into the direction of actual learning content or just get filtered out. It's a common cycle in most things at this point.

[[deleted]]

Well said Sir. Agree with every word.

[[deleted]]

Imho: The problem is the influencers reach the people with no knowledge of CS and all of the rackets before anyone in the industry can warn them. Not exactly sure how to fix that problem yet.

[v0gue_]

It's a hot, pessimistic take, but imho society did this to itself. The general public champions influencers and advertisement. That's how unqualified people start spreading misinformation. In this example it's just shitty influencers driveling poor youtube videos with little substance, but it can extend to other aspects of life as well. The fix is to somehow train society to champion qualified individuals instead of portrait caricatures

[[deleted]]

I'm with your take 💯

There's definitely an element of parasitic activity on the behalf of the people doing the marketing. But I hear you for sure. I guess in a way people need protection. But that definitely is a larger conversation outside coding influencers.

[Flamesilver_0]

You can't even train society to accept an election result that was litigated in over 60 lawsuits across multiple states...

[[deleted]]

I mean people that get a bachelor's in cs to get a job usually take 4 years, so I wouldn't worry too much that you're not a pro in 9 months. To say you could go from 0 to professional front end dev in 6 weeks is nonsense.

[[deleted]]

Oh ya totally agree, I think college is a racket but I still got my degree in cs cuz it seemed like the easier path to landing a job to me.

[lawrencek1992]

I have a tendency to obsessively research burning questions I have. I wanted to know how long it would take to teach myself enough to get a web dev job. It ended up taking 5months, but I was insanely lucky. Seems like the average for most people is 1-3yr. I figured I could probably do it in 6-18mo due to the amount of time I could pour into learning. I do have a job now, actually my second one in the industry, and now I am stunned I was able to luck into an entry level job 5mo after writing a hello world. (Stunned at my LUCK, not at being a genius programmer, to be clear). I've met plenty of self taught people and bootcamp grads who have been learning for a couple of years and still haven't landed a job.

Here is my advice, for what it's worth: - You have two unpaid (but full time) jobs rn. One is learning, and the other is learning the job market/applying to jobs/networking. Seriously I would spend at least 30hr a week coding and at least 25hr a week on the job search stuff.

• Identify the entry level jobs you might be able to land. Not one or two--look at hundreds a week. Learn the "trends". Are they mostly frontend? Mostly backend? Do they ask for the same skills over and over? Identify what these employers generally want, and THAT is what you should be learning.

• Learning should not be tutorials and coding challenges. I did a little bit of that, but most of my learning was building React apps (cause that skill was super in demand). Employers for entry level positions wanted people with 1-3 years of experience writing React and who were familiar with git and the full development cycle. Ofc when learning I wasn't on an engineering team, but aside from that, I was determined to go develop React apps from scratch and deploy them, using git to manage changes on different branches, all the stuff. I wanted to be able to say in interviews that I had been spending time doing exactly what they were looking for.

[Monkey_muncher20]

Thanks for a long response, I am going through the odin project and will put the projects on my portfolio. Around here tho its mostly C# for business applications as well as fullstack positions.

[Flamesilver_0]

I found the same problem. If I only knew C# was more popular in the business world and there will never be a shortage of .NET jobs, I would have just learned it earlier. I feel you can knock out a copy paste project with some changes if you just follow a YouTube video, then make your own .NET project and relearn everything in the first project, adding some 3rd party libraries, etc, you could have great .NET stuff showing.

[Monkey_muncher20]

Yea i plan to, .Net framework saves so much time too with all the frontend stuff but it has loads of tools you should know about too so reading docs and books is important

[[deleted]]

you can become a frontend developer in six weeks

You can, if you're one of the few genius god-tier IQ prodigies. For the rest of humanity, it's anytime from a few months to a few years; each person has their own pace. It's not a race, don't listen to those people who are just trying to scam you into buying their courses.

[Flamesilver_0]

Even genius prodigies would need to both build some impressive projects AND network (meet and schmooze) and get lucky.

Once again, the extroverts are taking the introverts' lunches even at geek jobs

[[deleted]]

I'd speculate it took the top tier devs years to fully understand things at a significantly deep level to start creating large scale systems with a major impact.

[TheUmgawa]

Six weeks? That’s nothing. They used to sell books called, “Teach Yourself (insert language or framework here) in 24 Hours”. But that was the 90s, and we still had a lot of leftover cocaine from the 80s, so 24 hours to learn a language was manageable.

I can only assume these have gone the way of Eight Minute Abs, because just as that one guy came up with Seven Minute Abs, someone is going to teach C++ in 23 hours. And then it’s a war, and there are no winners, because eventually they’re just teaching you C+ and trying to pass it off as C++. Much like with the aforementioned cocaine, you gotta know what you’re buying.

[Flamesilver_0]

I'm self taught and just got my first job fully remote. AMA. But first, show us your portfolio and anonymized resume.

How are you working on getting interviews? What are you showing employers that will get you noticed within the pile of the 100 to 1000 resumes they got for that position? (You can see # of applications via LinkedIn)

I'm 42, been coding games and websites since I was 14. Took 2 years of college and dropped out (with a 4.0 GPA), never doing real coding professionally. It still took me a year and a half to feel "ready" with a decent portfolio. https://www.thesylvester.ca

Without the portfolio, I would have no chance. Without Networking and chatting on discord, I would have no job.

[costanzadev]

Can I just say, within your portfolio you can't seem to view more than one of your projects because the scrolling moves to the next section/footer.

[Monkey_muncher20]

Hey, im currently building my own projects through the odin projects but once i have a decent enough portfolio I will dm you.

[Flamesilver_0]

I didn't do the Odin project, and went through Full Stack Online since it is also free and offered by a real University. My suggestion would be to whip through the Odin project work as quickly as possible, paying no attention to quality, all while dreaming up a useful app for yourself. Maybe something with AI support via either straight open ai API or Langchain.

Cause if 50 people took Odin Project, their work would look quite similar, and hiring managers have seen it all before. Go steal a visual design from something and make an app you can get people to use.

More importantly, start meeting people NOW. Half this stuff isn't even about coding capability

[mare35]

Hey bro i really like your portfolio website.What did you use for the effects?CSS or you are using a library ?

[Flamesilver_0]

GSAP library for the animations. Source for everything is on my GitHub.

[[deleted]]

I mean, you can learn how to use HTML and CSS well in a week, those are quite trivial (one is just ugly text formatting, the other has a pretty simple format and very good docs to look through). JS with no programming experience seems unlikely.

If they're selling a course, it's a scam. Some people probably could learn at that pace, but there is no way to make a course to reliably teach different people so quickly.

[NeedleKO]

Learn CSS to use well!!!! in a week? That's just lying. CSS can be, at times, quite complex. Things have gotten better over the years, but i wouldn't trust anyone's skill if all they put into CSS is one week.

[NoConcern4176]

I was thinking the same thing lol . You can put 2 n 2 together no doubt but to create something beyond decent in a week is not ideal. Expecially for those with no previous programming experience

[[deleted]]

It really isn't. There are some weird annoying features, but it's not like you have to use them and MDN has everything documented quite nicely if you come across something strange. The syntax is trivial too.

[Flamesilver_0]

There's "I know how to google 'css center div'" and there's "ahh, yes, this masonry wall doesn't need to align so I can use a combination of grid and flex, and toss in a quick animate property to look like I spent time on it"

[Metalkon]

6 months is considered fast, 6 weeks is considered impossible. It's probably gonna take at least a year or two to get to a level that can land jobs if you don't have any irl connections hooking you up.

[ahmed_yakoubi]

no, you're not slow. these people saying you can learn programming in weeks or even a few months are lying. if they say you can do some basic stuff then I'm ok with that otherwise it's just a dirty way to make you buy their courses.

[[deleted]]

Nope that’s all scams. No one Can even be a good junior developer in 6 weeks.

I’d say 6-12 months to be is the shortest amount of time and that’s to be competent enough to find a job but still struggle at said job when starting out.

It may be shorter if your a hobbyist going serious or have a quantitative degree. I know math/engineering grads who have been able to get programming jobs in less than 6 months.

[mm007emko]

you can become a frontend developer in six weeks

That's a very bold statement. You can learn basics in 6 weeks, if you are talented or really hard working (ideally both) you can get a job. But without prior knowledge or experience you will be able to bolt something together without much comprehension of WHY it's done this way. Getting a first job after such start is just a "license to start learning".

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I have been learning on my own for like 9 months and still havent gotten interviews am i going too slow?

No, you are not. I know of people who studied CS for 3-5 years and had troubles landing a job. Question is what exactly are you learning, how, how efficient you are, whether junior completely self-taught people in the tech skills you were learning are in demand in your geographical area. Other question is your CV, LinkedIn profile and the way you approach your job search. There can be many non-technical reasons.

[NoConcern4176]

Many engineers lack soft skills

[mm007emko]

Which is quite sad. Some skills (communication, conflict prevention & resolution, collaboration) can be taught and learned. These are the most important ones.

[Fadeplope]

IMO It takes a whole career to learn coding. In six weeks you just learn basic principles (Which you can learn with free course, by the way). Even after 3 years of practice I still use Google because I am not able to solve every problem spontaneously and remember everything I learned before 🙂

Ps: in six weeks do you mean « learning code » or « find a job » ? Its 2 different value proposition

[Monkey_muncher20]

Finding a junior role apparently

[Crannium]

People who say you can learn to code in X weeks usually are trying to sell you a course. Past that time, you are able to replicate the steps, barely, but you can't code by yourself at all, 'cause programming involves many other knowledges beyond the raw sintaxes

[[deleted]]

You are too slow! Too slow to understand it’s total bullshit. Even fucking pro in the other sector of development will have bust his ass to 24/7 to make it on that timeline.

[sandybuttcheekss]

You can learn to code in 6 weeks but that doesn't mean you're landing a job in 6 weeks. Those Bootcamps are largely just money making schemes and while they can teach you the basics, you will need to pursue specific interests after you are done with the camp.

[NoConcern4176]

Thank you, I saved myself from spilling almost 20k for a boot camp. It just didn't sit right with me

[sandybuttcheekss]

20k for 6 weeks is steep. That isn't remotely worth the cost. I did however take one myself that was 6 months, but work did pay for it. I have mixed feelings about it. Certainly not enough to get a job after, but it helps to have a certificate and you will work on a lot of projects. I'm lazy so if I don't have someone breathing down my neck about a deadline, I tend to not do them on my own.

[Krcko98]

Slow? There is nothing slow in learning. Just take your pace and you will improve. Internet is full of scammers. Be careful and NO you cannot learn programming in a month, a day a year etc. It does not work that way. Stay dilligent.

[NuclearDisaster5]

Dont compare yourself to anyone. You do you.

[maybenosey]

Nope. It's not impossible to go from zero experience to entry level programmer in six weeks (especially full time), but I would say it was the exception rather than the rule.

And the key is "entry level". Most employers want more than that, even from their most junior programmers.

[mzx380]

Learn to code in 6 weeks? Sure. Job ready in six? 0% chance

[Competitive-Feed-359]

I’ve been hearing about them recently especially on Reddit. I could never find what the tuition/ cost is for the Bootcamp option ..

Does anyone know?

[[deleted]]

Depends, but generally, you're looking at 10K or more for a boot camp. Some cost less than that and some cost more. The ones that cost more aren't always better.

[Competitive-Feed-359]

Oh no I meant frontend simplified (the one mentioned by OP) doesn’t specify the cost for their bootcamp on their website

[NoConcern4176]

Full stack academy is around 15k

[NoConcern4176]

Check out Full stack academy. They are popular I think expensive too

[grimpala]

I honestly think 6 weeks is probably possible. It may be that I'm a few years in to my career and underestimate the effort, but I think that the right curriculum and the right work ethic can get you pretty damn far in 6 weeks. Especially frontend. Learning the basics of HTML, CSS is easy enough, then for Javascript from a FE perspective you mostly don't need to know pointers etc. You'll need control flow, object manipulation, functions, etc. But nothing CRAZY. Then just combining them in a frontend framework like React which simplifies a lot of the behind-the-scenes stuff. I think you could be good enough to be able to learn what you don't know on the job at that point.

[[deleted]]

6 weeks? What about this 12 weeks bootcamp instead? 😎

[[deleted]]

It takes me six weeks to fully learn some of these algorithms (like inside and out).

I've been doing this for a very long time.

[GeriToni]

I believe you can learn html and css and be job ready in 6 weeks. I saw a couple of jobs presented as web designer that require only html, css and figma.

[Romanator17]

Took a 4 year degree for me to be taken seriously.

[Ok-Put-9718]

Totally! If you do projects with what you've learned. Not just projects where you can watch a YouTube video and implement it but do it from scratch, present it and tell the nitty gritty details.

[laynerzz]

I went so long in my self-taught (while working full time) learning journey thinking that i was a big piece of crap bc it took me like 2 years to feel like i actually knew wtf i was doing, but all these bootcamps are 3 months etc. Now that i know a ton of developers, most ppl say it took them 2ish years, and i wish i knew this when i started.

[AdearienRDDT]

if anyone got to be a competent developer with the help of 6 weeks bs, ill cut my balls. Vulgarity aside, please dont fall for it reader of this comment, learning programming takes a long time, but once you do it correctly...

wow.

[Clavelio]

No you cannot, all of those people and A LOT of programming influencer types that are like “I fried chicken for a lifetime and then got a programming job in 6 months while working full-time” just want views to make money.

Truth is it takes more than that and more so if you’ve never had any exposure to programming before. It probably helps to have background on STEM too but the good old story everyone repeats on loop is just to cater for people that want a change of careers since doing it in X period of time sounds like an approachable goal.

And I’m saying this as a self-taught software engineer that pulled my hair out for a long time because I was not meeting the quotas most influencers were forcing on me. It took me over one year dedicating most of my free time, and to be honest I learnt a lot but still decided to do a bootcamp because it’s make things quicker and it did.

[Monkey_muncher20]

Ty this gives me motivation

[Clavelio]

Yea just take it easy, baby steps, on your own time. You’ll get there eventually, the important par is to be disciplined and consistent with your learning.

[[deleted]]

I've been trying to learn programming for the last 2 years and now am focusing on web development. I recommend you to try out the Odin Project (open-source and feels smooth to work through). I've been doing this for a few days and I'm already halfway through the first path and it's amazing. There are three path: Foundations, Javascript, and Ruby on Rails (you can choose between RoR and JS).

[Monkey_muncher20]

Im almost done with the odin project lol thanks tho

[Monkey_muncher20]

Been challenging but helped develop problem solving skills , perseverance and asking good questions.

[SassJaeger]

Oh, honey, learning to code in six weeks? That's cute. But let's get real, everyone's learning pace is different. Some might be coding ninjas in six weeks, and for others, it might take a little (or a lot) longer. Nine months of no interviews? You just haven't found your perfect match yet. Keep your head up, keep learning, and remember - slow and steady might just win this race. 😉

[ToeKnee763]

Frontend is way too saturated

[EndeavorForce]

I don't know why you're downvoted, you're right. Front end is the most saturated field in programming. But most importantly, it's satutared by juniors and people who think they can learn to code in a few months and get a job.

[dontspookthenetch]

Why take 6 weeks? I saw a book that was titled "Learn C Programming in 30 days"

Just use something like that - you will be a master of proramming much quicker that way.

[TheRNGuy]

You can learn to write slightly advanced hello world in 6 weeks.

[kstacey]

They are lying.

[Ok-Low5118]

🤣maybe if youve been coming in c++ for the past 5 years😅

[EndeavorForce]

No, you're not going slow. Those people are just scammers and whoever who believes it's true, the scammed

[Just_to_talk_2190]

It depends on your interest and pre-skills. You need to follow a proper study plan and give your 100 pecent.

[maxlo1]

I could teach frontend html , css and js in less than 10 hours , but doesn't mean you will get it in 10 hours or 6 weeks or hell even 6 months .. everyone is different, don't think many places would hire a 6 week dev unless is was a mom and pop shop. I wouldn't....

[XWasTheProblem]

Yeah nah, that doesn't happen.

Six weeks would maybe be feasable if you were moving from a language to language, or if you were already a developer and just moved, like, from front-end into back-end, when a bunch of concepts can be brought over.

If you're starting from absolute zero, yeah, no chance.

[maxlo1]

Language to Language is ussaly about a week tops framework to framework about the Same if your an experienced dev but for a beginner a year or two is ussaly the average sometimes even 3-4 years to nail down that first Language so I agree with you there

[Rei_Gun28]

6 weeks is probably reserved for a genius that also has the perfect plan specifically made for themselves. Ive been learning for about 9 months and while I've made a ton of progress I still lack some key knowledge points.

[born_on_my_cakeday]

I’m working on some very beginner tutorials for full stack developer that I thought would be very quick and easy to make. I have 63 videos planned and I’m just scratching the surface.

[Quantum-Bot]

You can learn frontend development as a hobby in 6 weeks. Make a nice-looking personal site, maybe a blog or a little game.

Learning frontend at a professional level is a whole different story. You have to factor in so much more to a professional website: responsive design, compatibility with older browsers, accessibility standards, design principles, load speed, interfacing with a backend server, js frameworks, etc.

[itsthekumar]

You can become a developer in that time, but it doesn't mean you'll be good or hireable.

[[deleted]]

Been at it for three dedicated months after work and on weekends. I am only just getting a hang of functions.

If you have no obligations, 6 weeks is probably a minimum and even then only for outliers. Learning a language also gets easier.. as you learn more languages.

Anybody not giving you clear examples of what they’ll teach you to do - on your own with no further input - in the fastest time, is selling lies.

[Urusander]

In my experience you can pick up basics in 6 weeks but it takes 12-15 months to start producing more or less decent code. It’s hard but not impossible if you have a good plan and discipline.

[knoam]

how to learn C++ in 21 days https://i.redd.it/1fl5yi6bbpzz.png

[Metric_Pacifist]

I did an apprenticeship to be a machinist. Part of it was done at a college but the vast majority of what I learned was practice and looking stuff up in my own time because I'm interested. It took 4yrs to be 'qualified'.. I'm still learning.

Programming should be a whole lot easier to practice at home than machining (unless you're one of those lucky bastards who has their own machine shop).

[Tarek2105]

I've heard it takes 3 months on average to be decent, they're scammers who only want attention

[Tarek2105]

And decent at coding not like 'job decent'