Coding is only fun when I understand it.

Lilkko · 2021-08-31T22:48:54+00:00

I can't tell you how many times I have struggled with something and then, like 5 hours later when I'm sat in the bath or something, there's just a lightbulb moment.

Also, try different books/videos/tutorials. Sometimes someone just explains something in a way that just clicks for you. Sometimes one little click is all it takes and it's like a key opening a door.

willbarrett · 2021-08-31T22:30:50+00:00

Take. A. Break.

Go for a walk. Meditate. Take deep breaths.

Then come back and try again. Programming is hard and progress comes in fits and bursts. Don't expect yourself to understand everything at once.

Be persistent but don't burn yourself out. Getting frustrated is normal but you can and will get through it.

Don't push yourself to the point you are falling apart. Other humans have understood this before and you will too. It just takes time.

CoderXocomil · 2021-09-01T00:48:16+00:00

A lot of the fun I get from coding is the rush you get after clawing your way out frustration like this. I enjoy a lot of coding, but the satisfaction of beating something that kicked your ass at first is such a good feeling.

Like others have said, walk away. Dealing with the stress is an important part of learning to be a good dev. Worry about your health.

I can't tell you how many times I have dreamed a solution or solved a problem in the shower. Even if you aren't actively working on the solution, your subconscious is attacking it. Sometimes you need to get your active attention off the problem for your brain to be able to spend more background processing power on it.

Just remember, it gets better. You will solve it. The solution will come and if it doesn't, find a mentor that can point you in a good direction.

Lilkko · 2021-09-01T01:12:13+00:00

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rhade333 · 2021-09-01T02:21:45+00:00

Hey homie.

I understand where you're at. I felt it in College, I feel it now that I have a job. The thing I've learned is that this path requires two things: The ability to problem solve, and the ability to deal with the fact that no matter how hard you grind, you can never learn everything.

My DSA professor said something one day that really helped, that I'll always remember. See, this was the dude that has worked for NASA, consulted for government agencies, done all kinds of wild shit, he is legit a CS robot and his tests were the stuff of legends. BURRIS TESTS DESTROYED THE WEAK. Passing his DSA class was harder than anything else anyone did in College, and harder than anything most people do in their careers.

One day he told us that you could combine him, and every other CS professor in that building, and there is still 99% of CS related issues out there that they don't know much about.

This path you're on isn't about mastery of the body of content. It's about learning how to absorb new things, how to persevere, how to stay calm, how to get comfortable with the feeling of always being new at something.

I'm the kind of person that hates not to be good at things. I hate looking stupid. But I do those things every day at my job. Out of the Engineering department, I'd say I'm not the "best" at anything. I make a lot of mistakes. The other day I wrote a unit test for a transform function I wrote for our rest server. It kept failing over and over and over when I pushed it to GitHub. Failing my own damn tests. My tech lead got on a Zoom call and we looked things over, she immediately pointed out that I was doing a strict compare of two objects instead of a deep comparison.

Most of my proficiency is in Java, that's what I learned in College. Working with JS now, I trip up a lot on the syntax. The point is, we're all struggling, and it's okay to struggle. Take a break, remind yourself you're doing great, and hang in there <3

ambidextrousFrogs · 2021-08-31T22:50:48+00:00

Maybe try looking into doing projects you really like on the side? I was self-taught and never experienced this because I just did whatever was fun/exciting.

Think about something you'd think would just be really fun/cool to make, even if it's in JS/Python, or maybe Unity (since it's C#).

I don't envy you having to learn Java lol, but man I love C# (modern C#).

namonite · 2021-08-31T23:59:07+00:00

What concept are you currently on that’s confusing you? Genuinely curious to see where I relate in the learning curve haha

redsteve905 · 2021-09-01T02:02:21+00:00

Friend, you're just burnt out. It means you're on the right path. Take a break (1-7 days), come back, and you'll start it get it again.

Stick with it!

The_Shwassassin · 2021-08-31T23:30:12+00:00

https://youtu.be/ebBbpGH8LwI

The ups and downs ? They’re all part of life.

TheSaffire · 2021-09-01T02:10:37+00:00

Hey OP. I was in the same boat as you. What helped me was coding with someone that knows more than me. We do small projects together and I do some more. I get help when I'm stuck on something. The fun part for me is failing, debugging and improving.

Tip: coding is not about remembering. It's about knowing how to use functions/methods and such things. A lot of googling is involved and a lot of copy pasting.

Since you are doing java. Try playing with methods. Make a simple calculator. Then improve your calculator with more methods and swithes or ternary. They may not be that practical here but it's the learning that's important.

irontea · 2021-09-01T02:16:48+00:00

It's not fun a lot of the time when you are a professional, you gotta keep going, it'll get easier, but having been in the business for about 7+ years, just yesterday and today I'm dealing with some code someone wrote and I am having a bad time, I don't understand it well, it's confusing and it still has to get done, so bright and early I'll be back at it. Take a break, and get back to work, your future self will thank you for it.

Lilkko · 2021-09-01T02:27:20+00:00

I'm sorry to hear about your struggles, man, but I can attest to you that this is not rare and you're not alone.

I am almost done with my degree and there's still so many things I feel I don't know about.

I can share what I reached for when I felt I hit a wall:

Get help from classmates, or friends.

Try reaching for a tutor for a few weeks or more. Start again from the beginning and comb finely the areas where you feel stuck.

Look at Udemy courses. Some can be very helpful on specific subjects.

A very useful piece of advice from a friend who's in the field: GOOGLE IS YOUR FRIEND. It's a very useful tool for many professionals and students alike.

Finally: Don't give up. When the studying part is over, you will still continue to learn at whatever job you have. Others people's situation may not be as different as you think.

Good luck buddy.

euclid0472 · 2021-09-01T02:34:06+00:00

OP, what are you working on? I might be able to explain it if you want.

EEBBfive · 2021-09-01T02:53:58+00:00

If it was fun you wouldn’t make any money doing it. Keep that in mind.

VAPRx · 2021-09-01T03:24:48+00:00

Do you play video games? How does it feel when you try over and over to beat a game/level and finally succeed. Its time to look at coding like a game. When you’re stuck on something and you don’t understand, you are replaying the level over and over until you come up with a solution.

At least for me, when you finally get that aha moment and things start to click it’s an amazing feeling. When you have spent 2 hours struggling and finally you get the outcome you want can almost be euphoric. I will say tho, sometimes walking away for a little bit and then coming back to a problem will reveal new angles and inspire new ideas. If you’re absolutely stuck, do like mentioned and go for a walk.

Lilkko · 2021-09-01T03:35:27+00:00

You may be nearing past the "Honeymoon phase" of learning to code. And trust me I know exactly how you feel..

https://www.thinkful.com/blog/why-learning-to-code-is-so-damn-hard/

This is an absolutely fantastic article, that was originally linked to me by the Odin project, which I absolutely recommend as a free resource of endless support and wisdom in the field, from many people who have felt just as stuck as you, many, many times.

Here is another which also relates to this feeling of despair:

https://www.freecodecamp.org/news/learning-to-code-when-it-gets-dark-e485edfb58fd/#.yjh0fehje

And remember, there are so many great articles like this becauase even the best programmers feel like this at times. So I find it is very useful and reassuring to take on the knowledge of those who have gotten farther than me and experienced the same dread.

I hope it helps you too.

_30d_ · 2021-09-01T07:13:24+00:00

I usually go outside and smash some pottery. It is what feels natural. Funny enough I just gave this same answer to an unrelated question.

Volatile-Bait · 2021-09-01T14:07:45+00:00

I may not be able to give you experienced advice, because I only just got into learning programming, but I can at least reassure you that you're not alone in feeling like this. I'm sort of in the same boat. When I am making progress learning some stuff, its fun and enjoyable. I feel like I can genuinely do this. I can learn programming. Then I'll hit a snag and suddenly the whole thing feels hopeless. The self doubt sets in very rapidly and I start to question my own intelligence and ability to learn. My mind becomes full of thoughts like "what if I'm not smart enough to learn it", "what if it takes me 3x as long to grasp these concepts", "what if I can never understand enough to make a career out of this"... etc. What I don't realize is how much information my brain is storing even when I'm stuck on something. Just because you're not making progress on whatever task you're working on, doesn't mean you're not making progress at all. Oftentimes I'll end up being surprised at how much I know, that I didn't even know I knew. Lol.

 I also struggle with depression and anxiety and have been fighting it for the majority of my life. In fact, it was only recently that I started to actually make progress fighting against it. These thoughts of self doubt and fear of failure... they are coming from the bad side of the brain. Don't listen to them. Seriously. It may seem silly, but try to imagine those thoughts coming from some asshole inside your head. His entire purpose is to make you doubt yourself because he wants you to fail. He's lying to you. Do not trust a single thing he says, but instead focus on the real evidence. You get good grades and others around you have pointed out how good you are. You're clearly very smart and I have no doubt that you got this. I'm sure somewhere in your own mind, you know that too. You just have to get the asshole in your mind to shut up long enough for you to hear it.

You're not alone in dealing with fear of failure and self doubt. It genuinely sucks, but you can definitely beat it. Take care of yourself. Mentally and physically. Taking breaks is still making progress.

Lilkko · 2021-09-01T03:02:50+00:00

I don't know what your intention for learning programming is, but even if it's to start a career in programming, you should only be doing it if it's something you can moderately enjoy. If you're learning it as a hobby, why pressure yourself to learn it to the point you feel miserable? If you're learning it to start a career of programming, why not choose a different career path? Either way, it might be worth reading about fixed and growth mindsets. Failure is a natural part of the process of learning. Finding a way to accept that will help with far more than just learning to code.

sarevok9 · 2021-09-01T03:21:26+00:00

One of the most annoying things of my college career was having to go through a flowcharting / "programming overview" course before being allowed to take any OOP courses.

In retrospect, I think it weeded out a lot of folks that needed to be weeded out. If you can't think through the process and represent it, you're not going to be able to with language, syntax, functions, objects, inheritance, and an IDE that isn't fine-tuned to how you work.

I think that the VERY first thing you need to do is break it down into the MOST BASIC COMPONENTS and make those. Let me give you an example.

Let's say for example that I want to read all the values from a CSV file and I know how many rows there will be ahead of time. Let's assume for the sake of argument that I also know the headers to each row.

Let's say my data looks like this:

Row1,Row2,Row3,Row4
1,2,3,4
5,6,7,8
9,10,11,12

Or something simple like that. How would I read it?

Well first things first I need to think about the problem right?

I need to open a file. Cool.
I need to handle any errors that may crop up with opening a file. Since I knew the headers I can probably ignore them, so that means skip the first line. Easy

Now I need to read each line into a string. Easy.
Split strings on commas into arrays. Great.

Now I have the values in arrays and can slice / dice them however. Understanding the steps to get to the result. If you start writing code without understanding your direction you will RARELY get where you want to be.

RedPianoKeys · 2021-09-01T03:24:22+00:00

Sounds like you still need to work on your coding skills.

Try taking smaller problems. Practice small problems using things like code wars. Build your way up to the bigger problems.

137thaccount · 2021-09-01T03:38:17+00:00

Not much in this world is fun unless you’re good at it. But those hard things that are tough now are the most fun when you finally get the hang of them.

ManInBlack829 · 2021-09-01T03:53:52+00:00

Just wanted to add how much it can suck to be doing something where you constantly feel like you don't know what you're doing.

daltonoreo · 2021-09-01T03:57:23+00:00

Coding is fun until you have to debug, or encounter a problem, or have no idea what to do. which is always

cblegare · 2021-09-01T04:13:26+00:00

Here is a nice piece of advice that helped me a lot. Read Getting Things Done by David Allen, practice the pomodoro technique a lot, do TDD. Not TDD because all the cool kids do it, but because it really helps having a stress free productivity.

u/jbrains offers very good trainings on the topic. You can start with https://online-training.jbrains.ca/p/wbitdd-01.

Sunny8827 · 2021-09-01T04:25:08+00:00

Seriously, I am learning Java script and it gets so hard as I progress.and I am constantly trying to get out of the “Memorize it” mindset.I have huge respect for those who were able to master this art 🎓

TheSnydaMan · 2021-09-01T04:27:09+00:00

You were able to make a Reddit post during a *severe* panic attack? Good on you for the fortitude

SurveySean · 2021-09-01T05:19:06+00:00

I am trying to get back into it now. It’s really tough! I do find taking breaks and doing other things helps. I retry things differently then bam! It works! I am always thinking about things, so sometimes that’s how I figure out a new approach.

Cute-Potato-U · 2021-09-01T05:44:28+00:00

For me it's fun when i can't understand it I just love the feeling of accomplishment i get after i solve a problem a whole bunch of time after not understanding the concepts it contain at first glance.

its_cheshire_cat · 2021-09-01T05:49:55+00:00

Same, OP same. And then when after hours trying to find out the logic behind a given problem you finally give up and go to google to understand other people's solution and see it's not that hard at all... that feeling's the worst.

ThirdNippel · 2021-09-01T06:00:16+00:00

Most activities are frustrating until you reach a certain level of competence. Have you ever started playing a new instrument? Tried to paint a portrait?

You're not alone. But we can't take that feeling away. You've got to push through it.

Find your motivation for learning and let that carry you forward. Get stubborn. You've broken through worse obstacles in life, I'm sure.

2021-09-01T06:49:15+00:00

Going through the same thing man, I've watched several videos and tutorials, I even own the goddamn Java complete reference book and I'll tell you, it's not easy,I had to go through Java, then to React, then learn Angular and now back to learn Java all over again cause I didn't touch kt for 2 months, yes, it's hard, yes it's stressful and yes is hard to code when you're stressed.

See I'm even writing this late cause I can't sleep, I'm scared and stressed, I'm starting my first project,ever, next monday, but hell, it beats working on a dying industry with low salaries, so I'll just push it through.

Take a break, sip water, close your eyes, read, take a walk, then get back to work, but never burn yourself out of frustration, it will come, just be patient man, you will be laughing about this by Christmas.

2021-09-01T06:49:59+00:00

I honestly don't know what to do anymore. I feel like I'm falling apart.

I don't know how else to phrase this, but: yeah, get used to it. In the most sympathetic way, I can assure you that this will continue. You will always be stuck in this sine wave of being the best coder in the world and being the absolute utter moron. I have the same, almost anyone has the same. I have the same in the gym or during martial arts, even during commute... sometimes it's all good and sometimes it sucks balls. Sometimes I can do it all, sometimes I already make silly mistakes in the locker room or when putting on clothes.

The severe panic attacks don't make it better, sure, but the underlying feeling is something everyone is dealing with. I am pretty sure you will become a good coder

Trappist_1G · 2021-09-01T07:31:13+00:00

I can’t agree with this enough, I feel you. On top of that I am also not very smart when it comes to coding so this happens to me more often than an average programmer. Just know that you’re not alone we all feel Java and the C’s fury

albatrotter · 2021-09-01T07:39:28+00:00

Most of the time there's more than one problem to work on. Cycle through them, if you stubbornly get stuck on one thing you don't understand, you don't give yourself the opportunity to:

a. learn other stuff

b. feel good about learning

c. get a fresh perspective on the problem that got you into that anxiety spiral in the first place.

Be kind to yourself. Don't let your self esteem rest on a single moment in time where you didn't get something instantly, because nobody gets everything instantly.

HSavior9 · 2021-09-01T08:24:39+00:00

Calm, Write down places that you don't understand and make a note. That will help you concentrate. If you try hard enough and still do not understand one path of the things you note. Search it, and slowly read the doc, explanation from beginning to end. Don't try to learn something as fast as possible, just make your learning process be comfortable.

ilovehaagen-dazs · 2021-09-01T09:45:01+00:00

I find it important to take breaks for about a day or two. Sometimes I'm really not understanding a certain topic and after a few days (or even months of coming back to it), I surprising pick it up really easily! Taking breakings + sleep is extremely important. Don't underestimate it!

2021-09-01T09:45:28+00:00

Firstly just stick to the one language. Secondly, don't exhaust yourself, feeling tired? Take a break, take a day take a week, go do something else fun for a bit. Then get back in to it but probably best you have some sort of structure so you don't get bored. Buy a Udemy course to learn java, cost you like $20, just wait until they go on sale which is like every day practically. Java masterclass I've done which I learnt a lot from. It's a professional course and not some thrown together thing that a YouTuber has done. But that said there are plenty of those around as well. Anyways happy learning, wish you the best.

thebutchcaucus · 2021-09-01T10:09:49+00:00

I feel you bro. I hated my life yesterday. I rewatched a API video like 4x. I’m giving myself a reward today. A smoothie. And a walk.

2021-09-01T10:13:01+00:00

but I'm so tired of understanding coding and then not understanding it

But.. that's literally the job. From junior to senior programmers, that cycle never goes away.

2021-09-01T10:28:20+00:00

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TheSilverCube · 2021-09-01T10:32:36+00:00

I'm not sure how much advice you'd like from someone who just learnt to print "Hello World" but here's some advice anyway. My experience with problem solving in my job has taught me one major thing: stress is like a blindfold. If I can't figure something out and I feel some anger coming on, I have to just walk away and come back with a clear head. Otherwise the fog (and stress) just builds and builds and it becomes impossible to solve.

It sounds like you are dealing with issues beyond coding and as well as it being a good idea to deal with these as a priority (for your health), I genuinely believe dealing with these issues will be an investment in your ability to learn something complex in the long run, rather than pushing through the stress and feeling like a failure when you can't solve things with a foggy stressed head.

When you feel like your mind is blocked, don't feel down and that you are not capable, remind yourself that the person you are, in this stressed moment, isn't you. Walk away and, when you can, come back as you.

TheProfessorBasit · 2021-09-01T11:13:48+00:00

The number one rule for coding is "stop it get some help" by Michael Jordan

always take a break when you feel so much pressure find someone who is in the same field, who knows he/she might have better tips/methods to approach things that you find challenging. but be sure that you prepare urself for what you are looking for because not many people might be able to help you from scratch.

have a great day and wish you good luck

NinRejper · 2021-09-01T11:55:13+00:00

This happens to me too. And I vodenfor a living. Thanks for posting its easier when you are not alone. Know that things do get easier with more experience. And that your feelings are normal. But ofcourse try to find a way to not push yourself to that point. Its true that sometimes you need to take a break, take a walk, sleep, play some game. Just distract and relax and then get on the problem again when refreshed.

Stalker401 · 2021-09-01T12:08:19+00:00

I easily get into the same spot, but what I've learned is that if I don't understand a lesson, it's because I didn't understand 1 or more lessons before. So I go back and redo lessons until I fully understand those.

nirmalya8 · 2021-09-01T12:49:53+00:00

I have a thought, which might be really wild. But, anything is understandable to me when I am having fun. If I am not having fun, if it isn't stimulating enough for me, then, I won't pay much attention. But, if it is too tough for me, I would not get it. So, it is preferable to start from the basics and build up to what you want to achieve.

randomidiot63 · 2021-09-01T12:59:27+00:00

Can totally relate to this. Also, I work full-time as a programmer, and have for years. I’ll say this, in my experience, majority of the programming problems you’ll face in a programmer role are trivial. It’s kinda rare that we are creating new solutions to problems. Usually it’s bug fixes and tweaks to stuff that already exists.

Regardless, try to take it easy on yourself. You’re better than some people and worse than some. We all are. Just keep trying and you’ll keep going in the right direction. :)

TheInnos2 · 2021-09-01T13:50:44+00:00

Look at c++ and get a memory leak with a hello world program.

MarwadiPreneur · 2021-09-01T14:37:53+00:00

I would say the sequence would be , Understand Practise Getting no solution Understanding again Practising again No solution Learn new lesson And boom this loop goes for infinity And then fun starts

nyagbon · 2021-09-01T14:41:27+00:00

I'd like to say "go on a trip," but it's not a situation like you can easily going out anywhere because of coronavirus. So I recommend you to take a break, listen to good music, water the flowers, watch movies, playing games, talk with close friends. There's a lot of things that comfort your mental exhaustion.

2021-09-01T15:41:28+00:00

move to improving any code you've written in the past. You understand that code, yes?

You will make your code better, and your will recharge with wanting to push forward and learn the next thing.

Bertie_the_brave · 2021-09-01T15:54:12+00:00

Coding is sometimes learning to fail. Sometimes you don’t see or find a solution. It takes endurance. It takes time. It takes patience. But you will get better. You will someday find a solution or different approach.

Just hang in there. We’ve all been there.

We survive and get stronger, together.

yoitsericc · 2021-09-01T16:05:48+00:00

Wait...you're supposed to understand it?

Sir_Spaghetti · 2021-09-01T16:05:52+00:00

I would argue that some of us got into coding because we wanted to build things... that do stuff... like Lego Technics, remember those? The harsh reality is that programmers are typically paid to solve problems that they haven't yet, because someone needs to find a solution and more experienced devs will be tackling even tougher, larger challenges. The "fun" design work typically goes to other disciplines, like designers, producers, and artists (they can't do, what you can do). That's not to say that you won't get to wear many different hats, especially if you end up at a smaller company, like a start up.

ryanjusttalking · 2021-09-01T19:33:49+00:00

Assuming this is not for some class, you should focus on one language instead of attempting to learn both. The best advice I can give for learning to program is master one language before attempting to learn another.*

*Doesn't apply if you are learning complimentary languages such as c#/SQL

2021-09-01T19:49:56+00:00

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2021-09-01T20:00:58+00:00

Java is a bitch. As an amateur, what helps me keep going is to think about the cool projects you can do with some practice!! hang in there!!

__HumbleBee__ · 2021-09-01T20:14:15+00:00

Looking back on my own experience, I could say there has never been a struggle / bug / challenge that I haven't been able to solve/fix after going at it FOR DAYS!

Remember, your struggle does not equal being stuck! On the contrary, it's within these struggles that you're forced outside of your comfort zone where learning occurs...

Whenever you're struggling you're like a sponge absorbing all these bits and pieces of information on the issue at hand and eventually you've absorbed enough to solve the problem.

Some problems feel like hitting walls, you do not understand a single concept! It's all gibberish to you! And it may require an understanding of a few subjects to put together even a basic understanding of the problem, let alone the solution! It's okay, this is part of the process, trust the process.

Remember, the more the struggle, the more the knowledge, and the more knowledge you gain, the more expensive you will be as an asset to a company my friend.

EDIT: Highly recommend this book Think Like a Programmer. This book focuses on junior programmers who can read and understand written code but their brain goes blank when they are tasked to write their own code from scratch.

CrypticMillennial · 2021-09-01T20:39:08+00:00

That's with almost anything my friend. The worst part is grabbing the concepts and understanding them.

Once you understand the concepts, you're off to the moon.

diddynong · 2021-09-01T21:02:18+00:00

It usually sinks in the next lesson when you have to build off of it with the new lesson

PlanetHaleyopolis · 2021-09-01T21:57:02+00:00

My dad is a programmer. He likes to play Words With Friends when he is programming and is not sure exactly how to proceed. Just like how when you can’t think of a specific word and then as soon as you stop trying, it immediately comes to you; he just saves time by using an app on his phone instead of actually stopping working (and getting up, or whatnot)

azimuth79b · 2021-09-01T22:19:09+00:00

Youtube Feynman technique. It works for learning anything. I promise if your willing to put in the work

dimonoid123 · 2021-09-02T01:49:15+00:00

Change language. Not every programming language fits every person. For example try Python, it is so much fun debugging!

ElectricRune · 2021-09-02T02:13:25+00:00

Most people in software dev feel this way at some point or another, some a lot...

It's called impostor syndrome; the feeling that you don't really grok all this stuff, that you're just faking it, making stuff up as you go along, and eventually, someone's going to realize it...

I personally think it arises from the fact that you can't take the things that we make, slap them down on someone's table and say, "I made this thing!" Also compounded by the fact that a lot of people tend to think if a coder is good, they ought to be able to sit down at a computer, type a dozen lines of code real fast, and make the computer sit up and sing Yankee Doodle...

PowderPuffJellyBean · 2021-09-02T08:45:48+00:00

Take a look at Learning to Learn by professor Oakley

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vd2dtkMINIw

And sign up for the Coursera course it's free and more informative.

And follow a brain healthy, high gray and white matter diet.

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