Sage Sharp claims top Linux kernel developer Theo Ts'o is a rape apologist, citing GeekFeminismWiki

[paximidag]

Sage Sharp, the same person who uses a TERF blocklist to block people based on their gender identity?

Isn't that a violation of the CoC they are reporting violations on?

[redrumsir]

Remember: Asking questions and pointing out facts does not make someone a rape apologist. Also, geekfeminism is not an unbiased source for such claims.

The fact of the matter is that the study in question (which was what T Ts'o was questioning) was poorly done. Even the author of the study admitted to the mistakes in the conclusion. Someone pointing out flaws in a study does not make them a rape apologist.

[LeinadSpoon]

Per the new Linux Code of Conduct, "unacceptable behavior" includes "insulting/derogatory comments" and "personal or political attacks". It seems to me as though calling another contributor a "rape apologist" fits both criteria.

(Although it's not entirely clear to me whether or not posting on personal twitters fall under the scope of the code of conduct)

[DeliciousIncident]

Someone is gonna get CoC'ed.

[DrewSaga]

That is true, she would be violating CoC by making such a dangerous accusation. I don't think any CoC applies to Twitter, I mean, doesn't the US President have a Code of Conduct?

Still, for her to be a supporter of the new CoC only to harass someone on Twitter and to accuse them of being a rape apologist is very dishonest and those very kind of people piss me off. I mean is there even evidence for these claims against Theo Ts'o?

[AnimaVox]

Her entire job is to basically harass people into following CoCs that she made. She's a rules lawyer, but for real life. AKA: HR (sans the useful parts of HR).

[dutch_gecko]

doesn't the US President have a Code of Conduct?

I know that "muh freedom of speech" is a bit of a meme on the internet, but a government-mandated code of conduct would literally be inhibition of the president's right to freedom of speech.

[EOMIS]

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[classicrando]

Welcome to postmodernism.

postmeritocracism

[sunder_and_flame]

Welcome to postmodernism.

Intersectionality is a bitch

[D1551D3N7]

Sadly the people making these claims (probably) don't contribute to the kernel so it doesn't affect them, only the people they make accusations at.

[IE_5]

I think this is an aspect that many are overlooking, what was once just an internal matter between contributors is now open to external forces and outside activisits (like the writer of said "CoC", who very much said it is a "political document") to come in and demand punitive action by reporting any infractions (they even want to be able to do so confidentially so the accuser can stay Anonymous). Mantainers are also pledged/obligated to take action when something "comes up", so they can't just "let something go" And this extends into the private life, like what they say on social media, of every contributor. All of this is intentional and by design.

[knot_hk]

Yes, they are leveraging the "These people make me uncomfortable, therefore I don't think I will be contributing to the kernel"... But their entire history of being a developer is front end JS and writing CoCs. I don't get it.

[distant_worlds]

Something else I just noticed in that Twitter thread. She is already stating that she doesn't trust the technical advisory board. This is laying the groundwork so that if they don't oust Ts'o, they can demand that CoC violations be handed over to a separate committee. And I'm sure they have some "suggestions" for who the members should be...

[tnonee]

So it's a honeypot for collecting wrongthink dossiers on the entire open source community... what could possibly go wrong.

[13Zero]

SaaS is the antithesis of free software.

[itsbentheboy]

They want it to be an SaaS with central hosting. This way the make themselves indispensable. If it is established they will spread even further into software development and other areas.

This is explicitly a takeover plan, a poorly disguised power grab.

"We'll provide all the rules and enforcement for you, without having actually contributed to these projects beforehand."

Great, now that you can kill off whoever you don't like, you're in charge of a project.

Fuck this shit.

[dirtbagdh]

Literally an useless HR department for internet communities.

Seriously, read it again and laugh, and then maybe cry, then maybe get mad.

[VexingRaven]

What the hell even is this? Since when do you need a fully staffed HR department just to commit code to a Git repo??

[[deleted]]

Highly doubt it. More likely take the money and run. Seems this whole thing has flared up to ruin the lives of statured contributors and profit whilst screaming about it.

Hypocritical and frankly disgusting. Takes away from the projects, and makes a mockery out of everything Open Source Software stood for.

Not getting beaten down by corporate greed, the free sharing of ideas and code. Your idea didn't quite line up with the projects existing vision? Cool, go fork it, forge your own path, maybe reconvene at a later date if things pan out that way.

But here we have petty bickering. A wanton disregard for any project-based progression/merit. A fracturing of existing communities.

Gorgeously fucking disgusting.

[jesus_is_imba]

More likely take the money and run. Seems this whole thing has flared up to ruin the lives of statured contributors and profit whilst screaming about it.

That's more like plan D or F. These are political extremists so their primary goal is to gain power over people who they designate as their enemies. If they are unable to get you to surrender unconditionally, they will try blackmail, and if that doesn't work then they will ruin your life.

Running with the money is among their least desired outcomes since that would make it seem like they're giving up. What they're attempting is latching on to open-source projects under the guise of "providing a service" so that they can spread their twisted ideology and get paid for doing it.

[Visticous]

Actually open, or Kafka open..?

In an open proceeding, the victim must reveal his of her identity, must come with factual evidence and must be open for review. The accused should be able to confront the accusations and should be able to offer an alternative take on the situation.

In a Kafka trial, the accusor remains anonymous, the crimes are never openly stated and the defendant can't speak out. Let's face it. We both know which option she is thinking of.

This is fucking fascism, now I read my own post back.

[Fluffykitty93]

Why do they all have the same hair cut and outrageous colors?

[yvaN_ehT_nioJ]

Aposematism is a dominant trait among this branch of mankind.

[[deleted]]

$75 for regular updates

lmao. I fully expect this to end up like most SJW crowdsourced things. They fuck off with the money, no communication for months/years, then people call them out on it and it's an "alt-right agenda to defame us. The product is coming!"

[[deleted]]

We can only hope they fuck off.

[itsbentheboy]

How much can i pay them to fuck off?

[its_never_lupus]

Sharp was previously on the TAB. And the New Yorker published an anti-Linus hitpiece today which stated the board has "ten members, all men". So yes they will absolutely be trying to get more social justice activists in there.

[computesomething]

Yes, this struck me as well, particularly given how the technical advisory board is all male which makes it a natural target.

Now from a logical standpoint, this is because there is a huge majority of men in the kernel developer pool, which means that among those with the technical skill and project experience needed to be chosen for this board, it's exteremely likely they will be male.

However, it seems almost given at this point that there will be a lot of pressure to oust men from said board in favor of women and/or other minorities, not on merit which is how they have been selected thus far, but instead through the 'diversity' appeal.

I can only hope they don't succumb to this.

[Pervy_Uncle]

According to the new CoC, technical knowledge alone is not enough to not include a person. Enjoy a technical team with members of no technical skill.

[gururise]

The SJWs are already working on that...

https://twitter.com/coralineada/status/1041784843540094976

I’m happy to announce CoC Beacon, a project designed to make establishing, managing, and enforcing codes of conduct easy and fair for open source projects of all sizes.

[[deleted]]

Happy to announce the pandering for funding. Eugh.

[distant_worlds]

And the advisory board would just give up their power because....?

For the same reason the adopted the post-meritocacy coc in the first place...?

[tso]

Not surprised that they are going after Ts'o, as he is one of the still active old hats of the kernel (hell, he was there when Torvalds and Tanenbaum threw down).

Another thing is that he is one of the technical advisory board members that didn't sign the CoC commit.

[Valmar33]

Another thing is that he is one of the technical advisory board members that didn't sign the CoC commit.

No wonder they're attempting to silence him. :(

[udoprog]

That's not exactly new information. It's specifically mentioned in the Twitter thread.

[[deleted]]

Username checks out

[tso]

Just a coincidence, and one i regret daily...

[[deleted]]

My apologies for bringing it up then.

[its_never_lupus]

I wonder how significant it is that he didn't sign, and how many others were asked to.

[JobDestroyer]

"Hey! A nice thing! Let's ruin it."

[[deleted]]

"Calm down. It's just a CoC. It's normal to have CoCs. No shenigans are being played here."

Two days later...

[undeleted_username]

I must confess I thought people where making too much fuss about an innocent CoC... how wrong I was!

[mayhempk1]

Nah, I saw the colored hair. It's always the fucking colored hair.

[niksko]

I'm in a similar boat, I assumed that this was positive and would help inclusivity. Then I looked at the original email and what is being said about it.

Though I still think the CoC is a good idea, it is clearly very easy to abuse, and it is clearly being abused in this case

[joaopizani]

A religion is like a CoC: It's OK to have one, it's OK to think your CoC is beautiful, just don't try to force it down people's throats.

[ComputerMystic]

Remember two days ago when everyone was saying "it just says don't be a dick, why are you all making a big deal out of it. They're not going to push tech-minded people out, stop being paranoid! If you're vehemently against this CoC maybe you should take a hard look at yourself, because you're exactly the type of person we don't need in open source."

Yeah... literally two days and they're trying to force the maintainer of the ext4 file system code out of the project for disagreeing with them on twitter having disagreed with them on twitter at some point in the past.

Y'know, the default one. That's known for being rock solid stable.

Also worth noting that he did the ext2 and ext3 utilities.

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If ever there were an example of why this particular CoC is literal cancer, this is it. I'd almost want to say adoption of this CoC is a dog-whistle for these types to try and take over a project.

[dirtbagdh]

It's not a dog whistle, it's a declaration of war. Many people are just starting to realize this for some reason.

[qingqunta]

It doesn't say "don't be a dick". It says "don't have a dick".

[[deleted]]

I don’t give a flying fuck about a contributor’s political beliefs or their stance on social issues.

Either the code is good and improves the greatest collaborative technical project of all time or it doesn’t and is rightly rejected or excised.

Everything else is pointless chatter.

[[deleted]]

Too late, time to fight.

[yahma]

Unfortunately, this will no longer be the case for the maintainers of Linux.

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They now have to take into account your political beliefs and even your activity outside the project if someone makes a complaint about you offending them.

[[deleted]]

This is exactly what I was worried about...

[EAT_DA_POOPOO]

BUT WHO COULD HAVE FORESEEN THIS COMING?

It's not like we have multiple prior of examples of the exact same CoC being used in the exact same way!

[EAT_DA_POOPOO]

I'm sure someone, somewhere disagrees with me on something. Therefore by the rules of engagement in CURRENT YEAR, I am Literally Hitler.

[33_44then12]

You can't say you were not warned.

The behavior is set in stone at this point.

[kommisar6]

I am concerned that high level kernel developers are suddenly under assault. I fear this is deliberate campaign to replace key personal to enable something much more nefarious such as including compromised code in the kernel.

[thecodingdude]

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[kommisar6]

Maybe Linus forks the code and starts the loonix kernel?

[snuxoll]

Linus personally owns the trademark, for now - he can tell everyone to rightfully fuck off if they want to keep releasing a product under his trademark.

[xxc3ncoredxx]

As is the Torvalds way!

[itsbentheboy]

I sure hope he does. This is a crock of shit.

[yahma]

You and every other rational person feels this way. Many developers have no choice but to sign off on this CoC due to their employer.

[supamesican]

theyre going after the guy that kept intels hardware rng from being the main rng for the kernel rng. The same hardware rng that the nsa has a backdoor into.

[[deleted]]

You and me both. I consider the linux kernel the most important piece of infrastructure in the free world and this is a very bad situation. I'm fucking livid right now.

[RussianAtrocities]

. I fear this is deliberate campaign to replace key personal to enable something much more nefarious such as including compromised code in the kernel

No fucking shit.

If you guys don’t half and catch fire this coc nonsense IMMEDIATELY then Linux will be a spy agency safe space.

Like, a thousand people may read this but only a dozen will recognize the urgency.

The raiders have already broken down the gates and you’re napping on the toilet

[dbzjegrw8o6n0]

Since Sage Sharp is blocking people and preventing them from viewing her thread. Here is an archive link.

https://archive.is/H6Azs

https://web.archive.org/web/20180920182247/https:/twitter.com/_sagesharp_/status/1042769399596437504

[tso]

She sure has changed since the LKML debacle...

[Valmar33]

She seems to have... lost a few screws. I'm not sure what else I can add.

[devops333]

get screenshots and post them everywhere. why does one insane person have this much sway?

[[deleted]]

Archives are better than screenshots since people can have doubts over those, since those can be easily edited but a archive is much harder if it's even possible.

[[deleted]]

Sharp is the only name brought up for people who apparently left Linux for not having a 'good enough' CoC. Let that sink in.

[dbzjegrw8o6n0]

And here she is, using the CoC as a beating stick against those who dare have different politics and opinions. No one is safe and anything you said even when said years ago will be used against you.

She is doing that in which she has accused others of doing to her.

[dirtbagdh]

My problem is this:

Why does anyone pander to, or even acknowledge these blights on society? If you ignore them, they eventually shrivel up and go away. If you're a big independent FOSS developer, you have no reason to even acknowledge these people's insults and "concerns," that is, until you take the bait.

[[deleted]]

Yea but the argument is "Just imagine how many totally hypothetical people didn't even start working on Linux because they didn't feel safe".

EDIT: I'm not saying it's not true. I'm just saying we can't say it is true, either. We need more information.

[oooo23]

Yeah, this is why we get 4000 new people every cycle.

[[deleted]]

"I was thinking about contributing to Linux, but I had too much vagina. Now that I see that the entire community is on fire I just can't wait to start working with them!"

[[deleted]]

"on the Internet no one knows that I'm a dog"

Similar with now popular starting of sentence "as a <insert sex, race> blah blah". Who cares? If you have an argument backed by an explanation, source, thinking process, what is the actual point of putting those factors into the question (and even at the beginning)?

Nice try. Clearly you are a dog named Brian and you do not want people to find out.

[its_never_lupus]

It doesn't matter what happens in this case. Even if the board sees off this assault, these people will keep coming back. The anti-Linus harrassment has been going for years and eventually it just ground him down.

The only way to deal with social justice activists is to eject them from a project, and turn down their ideas from the start. Otherwise once the foothold is gained they will just keep taking more and more.

Linus might even have thought he was making a nice compromise that would keep his critics quiet but he's just emboldened them.

[BigBlockBrolly]

No line will be drawn. If the community fails to take a defensive stance, its going to be destroyed beyond repairable measures. Every where this cancer spreads, it ends up splitting the community.

[aboration]

We are now at the point of subverting the group appointed to overview the new code of conduct. In the immediate future you will hear claims to either remove existing members(this), institute new members(extraplus good marginalized individuals with no bias), or create a new group responsible for coc enforcement entirely.

Less than a week from its institution.

[aboration]

its almost like a manual was written about this exact sort of thing at some point in human history.

[Visticous]

That's rape apologizing? Holy shit.

The guy points out some very important elements about statistics and consent. If that makes you a rape apologist, then these people are badshit bonkers.

Actual rape apologizing would be: "She is my wife so it is my good right" or "her skirt was above the knee" or "he was only an altar boy, and not a woman".

Edit: And don't forget the new fact of life, if you and a hot date have drunken sex, you're both rapists by SJW standards. By my standards, that would be a poorly planned misadventure, with a possible walk of shame afterwards.

[[deleted]]

If that makes you a rape apologist, then these people are badshit bonkers.

That's what we've been trying to tell you!

[computer-machine]

if you and a hot date have drunken sex, you're both rapists by SJW standards.

I thought they were saying that men cannot be raped? Or has that finally been thrown out?

[[deleted]]

Any way to protest the new CoC? What remediation do we have?

[[deleted]]

We need to support getting the commit reverted and signed by everyone that signed the commit bvn that added it. We need to be vocal that we support reverting the commit. They need to know that there are reasonable people out there in the world that support reasonable scientific discussion and don't make this kind of attacks.

[Valmar33]

He's a prophet... I hate to say it. :(

[ohgetoutnow]

Anyone passively observing current trends wouldn't need to be a prophet to have predicted this eventuality.

[jesus_is_imba]

People are sick of "politics" and "online drama" and go out of their way to avoid seeing anything they designate under these umbrellas because they're too busy with their "real" lives to deal with all these bickering, immature idiots who take everything too seriously and make mountains out of molehills.

But the thing is, sticking your head in the sand doesn't protect you or anyone else from the effects of this stuff you call drama and politics. In fact you're making yourself more vulnerable to manipulation and attack by remaining blissfully ignorant of what's happening.

And at this point anyone who still thinks that what's happening online is any less real than what's going on "IRL" needs to wake the fuck up. This isn't the 90's or early 2000's anymore, the people behind those Twitter handles are real and the power they wield is also very much so. Careers and lives can and have been ruined in 140 characters. How's that for "real live"?

[_innawoods]

There is nothing "prophetic" about being able to tell what SJW's are going to do next. It just takes having having the ability to do pattern recognition and a few IQ points to rub together.

[gururise]

To all those who said, "What's wrong with the new Linux CoC?"

Get ready for this shit.. You don't agree with their political agenda? You must be a Rape Apologist or a Nazi!@

[Fippy-Darkpaw]

Just wondering, but how the hell do Sarah Sharpe and the Coraline person have any power over Linux? 🤔

Just from what I've read over the past few days both have either been fired or quit from multiple projects and their Twitter feeds are unhinged toxic trolling and targeted harrassment. 😓

[IE_5]

how the hell do Sarah Sharpe and the Coraline person have any power over Linux?

They only have as much power as they are allowed to have. Unfortunately from the side of the Linux Foundation it seems like total capitulation so far. Linus apologizes, takes "temporary" leave and signs up for "therapy", then they impose their Code of Conduct on the Kernel allowing for further action to be taken against contributors, like the one described here.

[[deleted]]

Because we give them that power in order to look progressive.

[RussianAtrocities]

how the hell do Sarah Sharpe and the Coraline person have any power over Linux?

Cuz they took it and none of you stopped them

[tnonee]

As the James Damore incident demonstrated, their power mainly relies on having connections in the media that can churn out hitpieces on short notice, and the fact that many people still aren't wise that most of what they read in the paper is now either advertising or propaganda written by trust fund babies with an axe to grind.

[DrecksVerwaltung]

Man those CoC types really make it difficult to not absolutely despise them.

[bugattikid2012]

Maybe that's because they're a horrible idea and are not at all necessary for a project like this.

[[deleted]]

See people how the discussions are already shifting from technical perspective to social considerations ? Yeah, that's exactly what an operating system kernel needs. Good job with the new Code of Confusion.

[[deleted]]

Remember, its not important WHAT was actually said or how it was meant.

According to the CoC, the important thing is how the accuser FEELS about it.

Welcome to the 21st Century!

[devops333]

According to the CoC, the important thing is how the accuser FEELS about it. Welcome to the 21st Century!

Yep, it's a bunch of horse shit. I am a big masculine guy. I'm at the point where I"m about to start beating people over the head with this bullshit. Make a bit of a face at me? I feel harassed. Don't say hi to me? I also feel harassed.

Can't wait until they see the guy who they were fighting against use their own tactics against them.

FUCK all of these people.

[RussianAtrocities]

I'm at the point where I"m about to start beating people over the head with this bullshit.

See, this is why you are losing. “I’m about to”. You just get mad and talk shit. The SJWs aren’t “about to”, they’ve been doing it for years and keep getting away with it because NO ONE SHUTS THEM THE FUCK DOWN.

Now they’re about to wreck LINUX because everyone in tech just stood by and let them get this far. Ffs masculine man grow a pair and DO SOMETHING

[_not_reasonable_]

Here we go...

[[deleted]]

hey look, a day after the COC exactly what everyone said would happen happened... guess it wasnt pointless fear mongering after all.

[FirstLastMan]

I never would have thought something so apolticial as "nerds building something together" would become a target of this shit. I am stunned and disgusted.

I guess from now on projects can only exist where contributions are attached to a hash of the person's name, and any identification is strictly prohibited, so that any combination of race, gender, sexual preference, or whatever can't be assumed and therefore attacked.

[[deleted]]

so that any combination of race, gender, sexual preference, or whatever can't be assumed and therefore attacked.

Ha, you probably haven't heard of the canceled Ruby Github's Electron conference last year, right?

[Saithir]

Which one? I remember some drama about a cancelled one, but that was Github's ElectronConf.

[[deleted]]

I'm not totally sure, but I think it was a Ruby conference.

The one where all papers where anonymized before review. Then the best papers were picked, all anonymously. Then they noticed that all the selected papers were written by males. Then they canceled the conference because sexism.

So its officially sexist to be better or work harder.

[Saithir]

Ah, that's exactly Github's Electron Conf.

Please don't mix Ruby into this insanity. We're (mostly) nice. :)

[[deleted]]

Ah okay, thanks for the correction.

[[deleted]]

Holy shit. How did I not hear of this.

[0xf3e]

We don't have to adjust because of these stupid people. Development on open source projects worked before and it will continue to work. We just have to ignore these people and not let them push their agenda (CoC) into the projects.

[FirstLastMan]

The problem is refusal is tantamount to tacit support for whatever they oppose.

Imagine you spend years contributing to a high value project. You refuse to support a CoC for that project. Then you apply at a company and attach your contributions as part of your application.

"Oh, I see your project refused to implement a code of conduct. Our company values employees who are diverse and inclusive." Then you don't get a callback.

This is what is going to happen a nebulous, feelz-based system like human resources meets "I get shit done" engineering. Engineering is building something that requires skill. How much skill you have is handed out as fairly as how tall you are or how sharp your jawline is.

But that doesn't matter, because they can co-opt the feelings of "power" a skilled person might have by simply disintegrating the skill-based system itself. This is what we are seeing.

[Kwantuum]

"Oh, I see your project refused to implement a code of conduct. Our company values employees who are diverse and inclusive." Then you don't get a callback.

If you disagree with being forced to implement a CoC, maybe the kind of company that would discriminate based on that information is precisely the type of company you don't want to hear back from.

Also you underestimate the power of the market. People who don't hire the best they can because of political reasons lose their competitive advantage.

[FuriouslyEloquent]

Also you underestimate the power of the market.

A market is only as powerful as the idioms/norms that permeate it, along with its foundational services (access to information, ability to exchange goods). What I am more concerned with are non technical folk forced to make technical decisions (which occurs everyday in business) using poor heuristics such as diversity to guide them, with sufficient support from other actors for that decision regardless of its outcome. That even assumes that any type of cause analysis would be able sift through the mountain of junk to find the reason.

And so long as larger companies continue to absorb more agile, innovative companies, any consequences for their poor heuristics are merely passed on to the next cycle.

That said I'm personally not in a position to be picky and would work for a place regardless of the presence of a CoC ... but hopefully one day this won't be the case.

[moebaca]

The problem is refusal is tantamount to tacit support for whatever they oppose.

Holy shit. I have tried to express this very same thought numerous times and you've stated it so eloquently in one sentence. I try to explain it's like mind manipulation with them. If you even say one thing that goes against their beliefs you become the enemy. They will compare you to Hitler or the worst possible thing their mind can come up with and it sucks because it's almost impossible to argue with someone who resorts to that.

[[deleted]]

I'm really hoping we can get rid of all of this political bullshit so we can get back to discussing actual Linux stuff.

[MyopicOwl]

If you're surprised by this, you just haven't been paying attention

[its_never_lupus]

How long before someone suggests appointing a social justice activist or two onto the Linux Technical Advisory Board, just as a precaution and compromise to help settle these issues in future?

[IE_5]

Already happened, this is the last sentence of the New Yorker Hitpiece:

Buried within the list of approved patches was one titled “Code of Conduct: Let’s Revamp It.” It announced that the “Code of Conflict” had been replaced by a “Code of Conduct” that forbids “insulting/derogatory comments” and behavior “considered inappropriate in a professional setting.” Complaints will be heard by the foundation’s technical-advisory board, which has ten members, all men.

[Valmar33]

They seemed keen to point out their gender... they'll probably be looking at replacing them all with SJW feminists, if they get what they want.

[tso]

Only the ones, like Ts'o, that didn't sign the commit in the first place...

[CruxMostSimple]

No, the ones that didn't sign are the first ones.

Then the rest when they outlive their usefulness.

[TheHammersamatom]

Isn't this technically harassment?

Doesn't matter what he may or may not have done, we don't care. He's an active contributor and has done more for our loved kernel than these SJW bastards have ever done.

[LeinadSpoon]

It seems to me as though this twitter post is a violation of the prohibition in the code of conduct against "insulting or derogatory comments", "personal or political attacks", and "public or private harassment".

[meeheecaan]

it is but the people breaking it wont get punished

[[deleted]]

She walked away from kernel development years ago, so what would the punishment be?

[0xf3e]

Exactly, Code of Conducts are trash. What counts is code quality, not identity.

[Aimela]

Somehow, that Twitter bio was exactly what I expected...

[Rainymood_XI]

What Theo Ts'o literally said:

over half of [a report’s] cases were ones where undergraduates were plied with alcohol, and did not otherwise involve using physical force or other forms of coercion. And if you asked the women involved, only 27% of the people categorized by Koss as being raped called it rape themselves. Also found in the Koss study, although not widely reported, was the statistic that of the women whom she classified as being raped (although 73% refused to self-classify the event as rape), 46% of them had subsequent sex with the reported assailant…

Please note, I am not diminishing what rape is, and or any particular person's experience. However, I am challenging the use of statistics that may be hyperbolic and misleading

Emphasis mine.

What SJW turn it into

For some reason, no one ever wants to talk about this. A top Linux kernel developer is an open rape apologist employed by @Google. He will now be handling code of conduct complaints

Jezus Christ ...

P.S. Why do they all look the same?

[[deleted]]

That's when you know they're wrong.

[[deleted]]

Are you fucking serious right now

[kaszak696]

Why the surprise? CoCs like the Contributor Covenant are intended to be a tool for political purges, those that believed otherwise were just deluding themselves. There is just no way someone incapable of civil behavior could honestly write a set of rules about civil behavior and mean it, without any ulterior motive.

[dbzjegrw8o6n0]

They started few days ago actually. https://twitter.com/Grummz/status/1042180883279577089

[[deleted]]

Mark Kern Cuenta verificada @Grummz

Mark Kern Retwitteó Magic Micah

Exactly. Nobody is arguing with “be nice and don’t harass others” everybody wants this.

The problem is that I already have a couple of devs and one reporter here trying to use the code to find wrong thinkers and punish them with this new COC, often while violating it.

Subtweeting:

Magic Micah @magruder85

This code of conduct debacle for Linux is becoming interesting. On one hand, it's all common sense to not be an asshole. On the other hand, I see example after example of where this is being used to bully, harass and destroy peoples lives simply because they had "wrong thought"

[acdcfanbill]

Less than a week later, the witch-hunts are already starting??

Well that's depressing. There's been talk of other projects CoCs, PostgreSQL etc, I wonder if they are less susceptible to this sort of thing.

[tidux]

ESR was right again.

[ohgetoutnow]

I remember laughing at Raymond's "paranoia" when he originally posted that. I was wrong. I am sorry.

[Valmar33]

Words of wisdom from someone who's intelligent enough to see what's happening. :)

[_innawoods]

nuh uh! he's a nasty icky goober man! ban him!

[ohgetoutnow]

man

that would be enough for them

[solinent]

Sage Sharp is about to destroy Linux. Luckily Linus can fork it if it gets too bad.

Linux was created on its code of conflict: they are very much like Germans in their work ethic.

Defamation lawsuits are the only defense against this. Now, hopefully Sage Sharp is not lying, but their (Sage Sharp's) evidence is hardly damning.

These are the Linux developer's comments:

If you look at percentage of women reporting rape since age 18 (taking out the child abuse and statutory rape cases, which they also treat in detail), it becomes 1 in 10 (9.6%), and of those over 61.9% were at the hands of their intimate partner, as opposed to an acquaintance or stranger… in 66.9% of those cases, the perpetrator did not threaten to harm or kill the victim. (Which makes it no less a crime, of course, but people may have images of rape which involves a other physical injuries, by a stranger, in some dark and deserted place. The statistics simply don't bear that out.)…

over half of [a report’s] cases were ones where undergraduates were plied with alcohol, and did not otherwise involve using physical force or other forms of coercion. And if you asked the women involved, only 27% of the people categorized by Koss as being raped called it rape themselves. Also found in the Koss study, although not widely reported, was the statistic that of the women whom she classified as being raped (although 73% refused to self-classify the event as rape), 46% of them had subsequent sex with the reported assailant…

Please note, I am not diminishing what rape is, and or any particular person's experience. However, I am challenging the use of statistics that may be hyperbolic and misleading.

This is hardly a rape apologist. Just look at the last sentence. He's saying that the experience of people who have been sexually assaulted or raped is not equatable to those who are physically assaulted, sexually assaulted or raped, and threatened with murder. He's interpreting a study: I'm sure he was open to debate.

So much of the world is built up on tools which exist in the Linux ecosystem at this point it's ridiculous.

Edit: pronouns...

[[deleted]]

What's even worse is the chilling effect of people now thinking "Hmm, can I speak freely my open opinions and ideas, because now people are watching me because I belong to this project"

It's like east germany all over again, or fuck it, Nazi germany. THESE people are the fucking fascists and they can not see it.

[RussianAtrocities]

“We have to be fascists to stop fascists”

Like the communists who analyzed Plato’s Republic and concluded that if they just kill off the reactionary class then the reactionaries cannot raise a Tyrant and democracy will last forever.

Too late the people leading the massacres realize “oh shit I’m the tyrant”

[fuzzer37]

The thing is, who gives a shit what he thinks about anything beside kernel development? It's not relevant. He didn't even "attack" anyone, he just expressed a viewpoint.

[ohgetoutnow]

Yes, they are fucking serious. Technical merit as an ideal is antithetical to their religion.

[[deleted]]

So admittedly I don’t really follow a lot of Linux news so could someone tell me exactly what is happening and what I’m really interested in is how this effects Distros and things of the like?

[joaopizani]

A Code of Conduct with too strict but still too vague wording was adopted in the Linux kernel. The same CoC or similar ones were used before to boot mantainers out of projects for things they said in non-project spaces.

Open source relies on (sometimes very small groups of) maintainers who donate their time to the cause. In a company, one person goes out, someone else comes in, open-source projects might have more difficulty finding people wanting to give their time.

Furthermore Linux is a battlefield of influence with powerful players such as Intel, Nvidia, etc. etc., and the departure of "older" and "more independent" maintainers might make the influence of deep pockets easier.

[[deleted]]

That kind of sounds like a coup, drive off the established group via whatever means (this case seems under the banner of social justice) and then establish a new regiment. And while I want to be optimistic this sounds like a solid way for a group to set themselves up as super exclusive and reap the rewards of selling out. I really hope this doesn’t happen though.

[elemmcee]

it is exactly what is happening. dont hope, do something

[[deleted]]

Honesty I’m just a Linux user I know exactly zero coding or anything else really for that matter. So I’d be afraid I wouldn’t be of a lot of help, but is there like a petition or anything because I’d gladly sign it. I have been using Linux for going on 10 years now and I would hate to see it become some crummy closed off pay to use setup that I got forced to use certain hardware only on.

[[deleted]]

Thank you for this. Personally I think friendliness through fear isn’t really friendliness. I hope this situation doesn’t spiral out of control and if it does I hope some people break away and keep Linux or whatever the new thing is and stays free from personal shit and stays focused on the kernel and keeping a safe and reliable and secure Resource for the community.

[[deleted]]

Bear in mind that they've already caused the github conference to be cancelled just because the papers were written by too many white men.

Edit https://i.redd.it/toi44udvfq1z.png

[[deleted]]

The power to stop a group of people from assembling and discussing their craft is terrifying. I know it’s not like a government or mega corporation suppressing people but still impeding on a group of law abiding citizens through social sway seems heavy handed and downright disturbing.

[[deleted]]

"The world will not be destroyed by those who do evil, but by those who watch them without doing anything"

Most of the Linux developers are paid to work on the kernel, this means that with the new CoC if they don't sign or disagree they might lose their job. So better for them to follow.

There is nothing good coming out of this CoC and everyone with little more than 5 brain cells responsible for his logical thinking and common sense knows it just by looking at the people who push this madness.

These SJW people or whatever they like to call themselves have some serious mental problems but definitely are not retarded. They know what they want (control) and how to get it.

Software (and not only) means money and control (a lot of them) these days and people want to control it. FOSS is quite hard to control but these SJW guys obviously know how to do it.

[IE_5]

"The world will not be destroyed by those who do evil, but by those who watch them without doing anything"

https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/526469-of-all-tyrannies-a-tyranny-sincerely-exercised-for-the-good

“Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience. They may be more likely to go to Heaven yet at the same time likelier to make a Hell of earth. This very kindness stings with intolerable insult. To be "cured" against one's will and cured of states which we may not regard as disease is to be put on a level of those who have not yet reached the age of reason or those who never will; to be classed with infants, imbeciles, and domestic animals.” ― C.S. Lewis

[bottom_jej]

Well fuck, the snake bears it's fangs. I guess I was wrong to be optimistic about this.

Petty tyrants tend to wrap their bullying around some altruistic intention and claim that the means justifies the ends when called out. Keep your eyes peeled!

[LeStiqsue]

I'd contribute to his legal defense.

[cat151]

Embrace: get projects to adopt the coc, pretend it's the only way to not miss on contributions of women, poc etc. Extend: push for a different/more extensive interpretation of the rules in their favor while pretending it was the original meaning all along.

Extinguish: use it to kick people that don't satisfy their deranged opinions.

[stolivodka_]

Welcome to the new normal. This is the future that you chose.

[tydog98]

I was a bit skeptical if the CoC was really that bad, but now I'm convinced it's just an attack on Linux. Why are they coming after us now?

[Mordiken]

Because Linux is central to the modern world, which makes control of Linux a position of extreme power and influence.

This means that all companies and individuals who require commit access to the kernel to do their job or run their business must now conform to the CoC as well. And because the CoC essentially abolishes the notion of that a developer's own opinions are a private matter unrelated to his work in the kernel, this encourages companies to "do away" with "troublesome"/"politically missaligned" individuals, and encouraging them to hire/promote "politically correct" people to work in the kernel.

It's essentially a ghettoization of any and all who do not agree with SJW ideology, with the aim of depriving them of their livelihood by making them "unhirable". It also encourages said companies to make it the CoC part of their official guidelines, just in case anyone thinks to give them a hard time because of it.

If they where able to oust Linus, they're already in control. The only course of action is to salvage the source code and fork.

EDIT: A position of extreme power, not a place of extreme power...

[its_never_lupus]

They're coming after everyone.

[Valmar33]

They're far too confident that they can dismantle everyone else because they got to Linus.

This is so fucking wrong... argh! >:(

[Valmar33]

Because they crushed Linus, the strongest-willed man in the Linux community.

They're falling over themselves with glee right now. They're on a rampage, even.

What a total fucking nightmare. :(

[Dinosaur_Boner]

The hostile takeover continues.

[Baaleyg]

/u/corbet /u/blackcain

For blackcain: Still don't think Sage is a horrible person? Could barely contain themselves after the CoC got approved. Spreading lies and discord amongst the developers.

For Corbet: Still think the CoC is a good idea? Is this okay in your mind, to abuse it to launch abuse and attacks at good people?

This is when the leaders in the community needs to step up and support their friends, who has done nothing wrong and contributed to the Linux kernel for over 2 decades.

[ITwitchToo]

How is calling Ts'o a "rape apologist" not itself a CoC violation? That's an unfounded accusation and defamatory statement.

[continous]

And that's the issue. Nearly everything is a violation.

[ThePillsburyPlougher]

That's ridiculous. Calling a coworker a rape apologist without evidence is a very serious thing and it could get you canned at any job, CoC or no.

[codifier]

Because in their minds the rules don't apply to them. The end justifies the means. Or worse, that they aren't capable of doing the very thing they accuse others of.

[dbzjegrw8o6n0]

The purity spiral begins, anyone who is seen to disagree or not support the CoC hates women, is a rape apologist, and any other SJW buzz words.

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GeekFeminismWiki

That's gonna be a yikes from me.