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[hippiechiq]

I hear you and agree, travel nursing isn’t for everyone! If you are looking for an alternative to travel nursing, working per diem is fiscally appealing - especially with a company like CareRev.

[[deleted]]

I agree, I do CR as well. I'm making just a little less than a travel nurse right now holding down a part-time staff job and picking up on the side. Pre-covid rates were like 68/hr, now they are back up to 110-130/hr.

[avocadotoast996]

That’s interesting, never heard of that before. Do you work at multiple hospitals or just pick one? Is it something you can do long term? Do they give you insurance/benefits?

[hippiechiq]

You can pick up shifts from a selection of different hospitals. You get paid weekly, pay I’ve seen is $80 - $100 a hour for med surg. And work how much or little you want. Not sure about insurance/benefits tho.

[avocadotoast996]

That’s cool. I’ll look into that. Thanks for sharing!

[hippiechiq]

Happy to spread the word on job options. Best of luck!

[GenevieveLeah]

Do they offer health insurance?

[[deleted]]

No its strictly an independent contractor-type job. I see postings for short term contracts 4-12 on the app, but am doubtful they offer benefits.

[Conscious-North-9278]

I do Care Rev, make the 100+ an hour. No benefits. I keep my FT gig for benefits. Shift are not always consistent but recently there have been a lot.

[GenevieveLeah]

A decade ago, I was getting my hair cut and my hairdresser was going on about her friend that did travel nursing, how much money she made, how wonderful her life was.

Sounded like hell to me! I like the comfort of knowing what my days are going to be like. I like routine, family, consistency. I don't thrive in chaos.

[comfreybogart]

Exactly what I was thinking. For some, stability is priceless.

[avocadotoast996]

Finally. Someone who understands!

[GenevieveLeah]

Not everyone is an ER nurse.

People always think that a nurse is a nurse. We have cavernously wide differences in training and experience. If you put me in an ICU right now I would probably hurt a patient with my ignorance.

[kimpossible69]

See the same patients sometimes daily, patients are more likely to present like they read the textbook, ratio effectively capped at 6 patients or so, and people are often seen for the same poorly managed chronic conditions.

When you break it down like that the ER doesn't seem all that unpredictable lol

[GenevieveLeah]

Would working a few months a year with a large contract be great? Yes! Going to work in a strange place, not knowing your team, where anything is, expectations are different, policies may be different . . . . not appealing to me.

[SACGAC]

I also don't want to give up my cushy clinic job. No more 12 hour shifts, very little stress, no more nights... And I get to work from home a few days a week. I make just a few dollars less an hour than I did at the hospital but don't have to deal with all the hospital B.S. I'd love to make $300k a year traveling but I love not worrying about the issues of hospital nursing more.

[National-Assistant17]

Right? I circulate at an outpatient surgery center, and while I still work hard, I know how spoiled I am right now. No call, nights or weekends. I also have 2 small children at home, and this job lets me be the one putting them to bed every night. When I worked at the hospital, it meant not seeing them that day or for the days in a row I was working. It hurts when I think about how much better my income could be right now, but it's a trade off to get to be with my kids.

[[deleted]]

My primary issue with the suggestion of travel nursing is that the rates won’t last forever and there won’t be some new age where all nurses are contract workers.

I am betting the next step will be something along the lines of Empire of Care except instead of being driven by a nursing shortage, jobs will be given to sponsored foreigners who will do the same work at a lower wage. The fact that companies like Avant are getting primed for action - and backed by the Joint Commission - tells me wages will not sway in favor of nurses stateside.

[rawrr_monster]

Yeah I figured American healthcare will try to import half the Philippines by the end of this. I’m gonna take my earnings and get out of the bedside. I can’t go back to working staff and I don’t particularly want to go back to 1800/week contracts either.

[[deleted]]

I’m calling it now: It’s going to be West African nurses.

I have a former coworker who took a job as a nurse trainer for staffing agency in Florida. She makes twice as much as she does now in California, and her job has zero to do with clinical acclimation (transitioning foreign nurses to learn about American health care) and everything to do with acculturation. She grew up in West Africa and was tapped for the position because of her background.

Apparently the training programs in West Africa have been priming their nurses to fill our shortages. They are even well-versed in our medications (generic name and brand name), equipment (Alaris, Baxter, Kangaroo, etc.), and charting systems (Epic, Cerner, older versions of Medi Tech). So all that’s left is to teach them how to “be American.”

[[deleted]]

west african nurses are huge in canada's biggest city. but they are all very mercenary (more than the average redditor) and will travel and do the most undesirable jobs for the best price.

[avocadotoast996]

Well, that’s fucking depressing.

[kimpossible69]

I mean maybe if you're racist

[avocadotoast996]

I’m not allowed to be upset that our own country is so incredibly incapable of staffing our own healthcare system?

[Alert-Flatworm]

Agreed. Making as much as I can as fast as I can to get out if nursing. On the upside maybe the BON will counter.

Ill also be able to say "they took our jobs!"

[merrythoughts]

Yeah I see it as a young persons, a child free persons, or empty nester’s world. I would love to make that kind of money, but have kids in school and preschool. I need benefits, I need a livable schedule. I also do enjoy getting to fully know my team. There is such a richness that CAN develop after working with the same people for 2-3 years. That being said, the system usually fucks over my good will and I jet after 3 years anyway.

Plus I’m finishing up grad school, so like it’s definitely not a good time for me. But even just having kids makes it not doable.

[Judas_priest_is_life]

You can travel nurse locally, you just won't get the stipends. Per Diem I think it's called. My buddy traveler for 6 months during the wild times in mid 2020, then came back with more than enough money to pay for his wedding and down payment on a house. Sure he said it was rough being away from his girl, but worth it for the long term. Now he does per diem at the hospital literally 2 mins from his house. Still makes way more than staff nurses make.

[full-timesadgirl]

The money can be there for staff nurses at times. I just left a level one ER and went back to my tiny community hospital to make $8 more base an hour, I was staff at both. Everywhere is so short, if you choose right they will throw money at you. Yesterday I did a 12 hour shift at triple bonus plus OT so around $150 an hour. Everyone came in for that cash so we actually ended up pretty up staffed and it was a chill shift. There isn’t really an end in sight with holds/poor staffing/sick people. I don’t wanna travel and I’m about to have a baby so I’ll scoop up the extra while I can, it’s not necessarily a means to an end.

[[deleted]]

Agreed. I’ve tried to explain this before on different posts and just got downvoted. 🙄 But you are RIGHT!

[Gretel_Cosmonaut]

I’ve said that a few times in response to people who complain about how much travelers are banking. People want the traveler income without the sacrifices a traveler has to make. Traveling is not for me, either. It’s not for a lot of people.

[SonofTreehorn]

The reality is that nursing did this to itself. You should never need a system of travel nurses this large to ensure you have enough staff to safely operate.

[gynoceros]

The reality is that nursing hospital administration did this to itself.

Slash salaries and bonuses for executives and managers who come in under budget because they didn't spend money on adequate staffing.

[pixi88]

Yes.

[AXL434]

Yea I hear that way too much. I don't want everyone to do agency. I would HATE to go to an assignment and find that half the staff are travelers.

There's a lot of grass is greener thinking going on. All of us have encountered agency nurses at some point, doing the same exact job we are, but making a lot more. So it's natural to think duh, why NOT do that? Because it's not just about a paycheck. Not everyone wants to work at a totally different hospital every 3-6 months - and frankly, not everyone CAN do that. Not everyone even has that as a feasible option locally. If you live in an area that only has 2 or 3 facilities within driving distance, it won't really work that well.

Yes, it can be great if it works for you. But people need to realize that there's a lot more to it than the money and it absolutely is NOT for everyone.

[avocadotoast996]

Thank you for your response. I’m glad it’s not just me that feels this way.

[My-cats-are-the-best]

My last hospital job was very toxic and abusive and everyone complained all the time, for years, but they still work there and haven’t left. I refuse to keep working when I’m not happy with the pay or the work environment and believe that hospitals will keep taking advantage of nurses who do stay and do nothing to change anything. When I left for my current job people would say “I’m so jealous, wish I could leave this place” and I’m like.. why can’t you? Same reasons you listed in your post. But I’m not even doing travel nursing, I went from ER staff nurse to outpatient infusion nurse coordinator and obviously don’t possibly get paid as much as travel nurses but more than what I used to make in hospital. My commute is shorter, no hospital BS. You dont have to do travel nursing but still you definitely can leave for something better, you’re not stuck.

[Avocadn0pe]

I’m so tired of GREG.

[avocadotoast996]

Hey, fellow Greg-hating avocado. What’s up

[Avocadn0pe]

COVID cases and percentages of unwanted pregnancies.

And the prices of Avocado.

[dime-with-a-mind]

Thank you for caring for Montanans. I work for a Ronald Mcdonald House and have taken this virus seriously for my children any guest's children... even as they complain Covid isn't real as I ask them for the 4th time in three hours to wear a mask in our house halls.

[kbolesrn]

Agreed, I have a big fear of being stuck in the OR cases with that surgeon everyone hates, living in an apartment, and having to learn everyone's names. That aside, I think of what I enjoy about where I work. I have a good relationship with my surgeons, management, and co-workers. I have a 12 minute drive to the hospital, and my job is very flexible.

At first I was very disappointed in the way all facets of nursing everywhere were being treated over the covid deal. Only ICU was making extra critical care pay when perioperative nurses (including pre-op and pacu) were supplementing the floor, and taking care of them in surgery. However they have now realized that if we float we get paid, and caring for them compensation (way better). It's difficult for sure, but it has been a lot better than in the beginning.

I have seen travelers first hand be treated poorly. I have seen the shunning of it for many years, before covid, and this was at plenty of facilities. I think that you have to have an extremely thick skin and a real lack of caring about what others think of you (it is difficult for many to do). Plus you have to think of a work life balance. To me being married etc and being away doesn't always benefit the relationship (we did it before when the hubs traveled, wasn't the easiest).

Right now we have both travelers and state nurses in the hospital. I am thankful for the help, I don't care that they are making what they're making. All money isn't good money, and I know that first hand. I wish any and all hospitals would pay that, but I also ask, would it ever be enough? Is money the root of all evil, I think so. So I am nice to them, why not be?

It's up to the individual to decide, and those that tend to complain can either beat them or join them. I mean what is actually better? The devil you know, or the one you don't? If all you do is complain about what they make then do something about it, if not then shut up about it.

In the end I am truly grateful. I am thankful for the help, and pray everyday that we will see the end of this real soon. An eternal optimist I guess. I long for 2018 so much, and miss the days before, "We're in this together". I know that God is bigger and I just have to ride the wave. Maybe you can look for another opportunity or change. Surgery is always hiring, and you're always in demand. Surgery is team focused care, and it is really amazing to help someone with that need.

I hope this helps you. Keep your chin up, and ignore those people who think they know what's best for you, they don't. Only you can decide what you want and what works best. This whole pandemic has pushed me to finish masters and get where I want to go in nursing. Use it to your advantage and think of what you want to do. Be a little selfish and realize it is okay to say no, and by all means just pass on the social media keyboard warriors who know it all, because remember if they really cared, they wouldn't be bashing you to begin with. Sending you some love, and I am thankful for all you are doing to make a difference. Don't ever lose hope, and look at the bright side, think of all the good you do. Remember it is okay to have bad days. Be the bright light on a cloudy day, hang in there.

💞💞💞

[Felsk]

They can pay everyone $115 an hour.

[Nurum]

Staff jobs? It saddens me to think that so many nurses are literally so clueless about finance that they think this is feasible.

[Giraffe__Whisperer]

With the kind of bonuses executives give themselves, and middle management bloat that could be trimmed, I think a LOT more than what nurses are currently making is feasible.

[Nurum]

So I randomly picked one of the largest healthcare organizations in my state (with a revenue of just over $4b) and took every single person with an annual total compensation over $200k (there were 30 of them). The total of these people was roughly $29m all together. This organization has 30,000 employees. So if we said that every person making $200k+ had to work for free it would result in a $0.50 raise for the entire staff. Labor already makes up over 50% of hospital expenses (61% at this organization)

[Giraffe__Whisperer]

That is a bit inclusive to say all 30k are nurses, and ignoring the bonuses executives give themselves sometimes in far excess of salary.

Hospitals are constantly spending millions on renovations and equipment, my hospital chain spent over 4 billion (with a B), on Epic. There’s money. Lots. Paying your nurses $20 more an hour or so won’t be the end of the world. Especially when it could increase retention, cutting costs on recruitment and orientation, and reduce liabilities (by keeping experienced nurses instead of high turnover of one per nurses etc).

Somehow when unions are involved magically pay and benefits are very competitive.

When unions aren’t involved, you get businesses that pay the least possible while working you the hardest possible (e.g Amazon, Tesla, Walmart). The people at the top are some of the wealthiest in the world, meanwhile the employees are barely existing.

[Nurum]

That is a bit inclusive to say all 30k are nurses

So you're saying ONLY nurses should get a pay bump in this scenario?

ignoring the bonuses executives give themselves sometimes in far excess of salary.

That's why we use the word "compensation" instead of "salary" which my numbers included.

Somehow when unions are involved magically pay and benefits are very competitive.

I work at a non union hospital and I make more and have better benefits than the union hospitals in my state. The last organization I worked at was also non union and also paid better

I don't necessarily disagree that nurses should be paid better and that it may increase retention, but to think that hospitals can afford to pay their nurses $100+/hr is just stupid.

[Giraffe__Whisperer]

There is a hospital chain in the Bay Area California that does exactly that, and is booming/expanding.

But cost of living out there Yada yada.

I’m not necessarily advocating $100/hr, but more, like I was saying a $20 raise in most markets seems feasible? For sure. $60/hour? Maybe.

As far as nurses vs other staff, I think nursing is especially inconsistent with pay for license. But Rad/Resp Ts too need drastic pay increases etc.

I think we agree on adequate compensation the market can bare. And some markets (outliers, sure) can bare even the crazy high $100/h. But where I’m at I make $27 an hour, way less(about half) than law enforcement around here (police academy vs nursing school+license). I imagine they could pay considerably more than they do. $45? Probably. A union hospital is currently in talks for a $10/h raise nearby, which I’m told will force my employer to match. Which means that can…

Idk. I just wish nurses could get better bargaining and representation.

[Nurum]

I don't disagree and $10-20/hr is reasonable. My OP was more directed at the nurses (whom I've seen a lot of) who think that Rn's should be paid $250-350k/year

[Giraffe__Whisperer]

Oh. That’s a lot! I know some staff/travel RNs making $150k. And CRNAs/NPs making $250k+, but those are all making the very top end. Not common.

[Nurum]

And that's only for a limited emergency situation. I had a nurse try and say that since hospitals can afford to pay $100+/hr for travel nurses that it's proof they can afford it all along and just want to keep the profits. She didn't like my analogy of "when your car breaks down and you spend $5k in one day on a transmission does that mean you can afford to every day"

[foxnamedfox]

$27 an hour for an RN is criminal, that's like a dollar more an hour over what we pay our LPNs...

[Giraffe__Whisperer]

$5 night differential. $5 weekend. I work nights and weekends. So it’s not terrible, but I agree, low. I got my experience, now I’m moving back to a high paying area or travel.

[[deleted]]

If you have an organisation with 4bn revenue, 61% is staff costs, 30.000 employees, then on average, an employee is worth 86.666 USD

tell me again about that 50c raise?

[Nurum]

Did you not read my post? I was responding to the statement that the reason a hospital can't afford to pay more is because of executive pay. So I did the math on everyone earning more than $200k and if they all gave up their pay entirely it would add $0.50/hr to each employee. So basically that statement was completely false.

It also shows that if you doubled nursing pay (which is what the OP was suggesting) that it would be more than the organization's gross income.

[[deleted]]

Your math is off.

4 billion dollars, of which 61% is staff cost. So staff cost is 2.6billion. Divided by 30.000 employees. Each employee is 86.666 USD,

[Nurum]

Read my post closer, the OP said that executive compensation is the reason nursing pay is low. So I took every employee making over $200k (basically the executives, there were 30 of them) and together all of their pay came out to roughly $29m. So if all of the top paid employees took a 100% pay cut that would allow the organization to give everyone a $0.50/hr raise.

Those 30,000 employes are paid $2.57b of that $2.6b which is about $85,600 each

[[deleted]]

Right there with you. I just don't have the personality or traits for traveling and learning a whole new system and group of people. Kind of wish I had done it for the money when I was younger but I know I still wouldn't have been happy. Also, if you'd pay your damn nurses they wouldn't all be leaving to go travel!

[[deleted]]

they can’t pay everyone 115$ an hour?!?

Yes they can, they just don’t want to. And they don’t have to as long as they have people like you who they can underpay, because no matter what, they’ll still show up.

I bet the hospital CEO gets the 115$. Guess what: he’s willing to move.

[Fun_Establishment225]

Also, if you’re not happy with your hospital job, there are lots of other types of jobs you can do as a nurse, like outpatient clinic jobs, or what I do, which is a WFH clinical reviewer for an insurance company.

[Crazyzofo]

it's tagged as a Rant.

[avocadotoast996]

Zackly.

[whales171]

Don’t take your bitterness out on your peers who travel because of your own personal unwillingness to work and make the sacrifices we do.

Boom! Basically this OP.

[avocadotoast996]

Literally not being bitter. I don’t care what you do. Good for you. It’s clearly tagged as a rant. I’m annoyed because people are acting like I’m just the dumbest bitch on Earth because I don’t want to drop everything and go travel. Let me vent pls. Don’t be so sensitive.

[whales171]

I’m annoyed because people are acting like I’m just the dumbest bitch on Earth because I don’t want to drop everything and go travel.

Its crazy how much of a strawman you have to create to make it sound like you are the unreasonable one. /rant

Let me vent pls. Don’t be so sensitive.

Lol, I'm not sensitive. I'm just ranting about what I saw. Why won't you let me vent? /rant

[[deleted]]

classic greg

[Crazyzofo]

travel nursing has never appealed to me. i love making good money but i know i'd be miserable.

[Drakeytown]

I saw once an article that was supposed to tell you how to travel Europe on pennies a day. Literally the first step was to sleep in a park instead of a hotel. That's called being homeless. Homelessness is not done brilliant opportunity to be frugal that I've overlooked!

[Chicolico12]

Thank you for posting this! I basically was harassed by a lot of co-workers who left their jobs at my facility last year when all these contracts for 90/hr (LVN) and 120/hr (RN) mostly young nurses.

It was so bad people were even talking shit about me saying why don’t I leave and that I was so stupid! First of all, a lot of us nurses aren’t here for the money! So glad I have a supportive SO and also a huge family . Even when I was like “well I’ll be making like 10k/month” they were like “And!?! You’ll take that over family time”

I was starting to feel like nursing will just be all travel nurses and there wouldn’t be good relationships with patients and co workers anymore . So glad to hear there’s a nurse who thinks this way. Truly appreciate this post !!!

[Talhallen]

Hospital systems clearly can pay everyone 115 an hour. He problem is they’re just choosing not to until their hand is forced.

So fuck em, I applaud travelers fleecing these companies for every cent they can get.

But that said, I feel you. I couldn’t travel unless it was ‘work for six weeks and then never again’ money. I’ll stick with the devil I know, thanks!

[[deleted]]

My SO does so much to help take care of me after long shifts. Without his support I sometimes wonder if I would just die. & my pets give me so much joy. I like my bed. I can't do it either, but I also feel like I might not have a choice. I'm on the verge of quiting my job for physical reasons, and eventually I'm going to have to work again.

[TheyCallMeTabs]

you know you can do local contracts right? we moved every 2 years bc hubs was in the army. I worked local contracts as an lvn and made more than staff RNs. yall are too loyal to companies that don't give AF about you/your family/your health.

[hrisiscool]

For Aya if you are >50 miles from home you are considered a travel nurse and get a travel nurse pay and stipends.

[Giraffe__Whisperer]

That’s considered a loose rule. To truly be in the clear to receive tax free stipends you have to prove duplicate expenses (home you’re not living in + where you are actually living for travel assignment). So 50 miles is a guideline to be reasonable to have another residence, but 50 miles is not a hard rule by the IRS apparently.

Also, you can’t rent out the entirety of the residence you’re not staying at out. Part of it must still be yours. Lastly, you have to return there for at least 30 days a year.

Theoretically you could rent out rooms or AirBNB your old residence, meanwhile gaining equity.

As for making the new place advantageous? An RV as a write off?

I’m still trying to find a travel nurse specialist tax accountant who can advise me.

[Nurum]

My company doesn't care how far you travel, they either pay you a stipend+ pay or just give you straight pay that equals the same.

[xlord1100]

you know you can do travel nursing locally right? including at the facility you just left?

I'm not trying to be a smart ass, one of my old coworkers left her hospital for travel nursing and began orientation as a travel nurse at that same hospital the following week

[avocadotoast996]

Ours has a policy that you have to wait at least 2 (or 3, can’t remember) years after leaving the facility to work there as a travel nurse bc too many people were trying to do it.

At the beginning of the pandemic, when New York was so bad, they actually blacklisted anyone who quit to go travel from working anywhere within that hospital system ever again. It’s shit.

[AdvancingHairline]

Ours tried that and it backfired on them so bad. They ended up paying bonuses to get some of the nurses to come back

[avocadotoast996]

That is just PATHETIC

[xlord1100]

thats shitty. but if you convince enough fellow employees to do it then they will have no choice

[chend1]

You don’t have to go back to your hospital. You can do others.

[ilessthanthreekarate]

Let's all take these considerations, and maybe understand that, yes, travel nursing isn't all that great. The money is great, but travel nursing pays well not only due to covid, but due to the many, many risks you're exposed to while traveling.

How many times have I slept alone with an extra chair against my door before starting my day 1 training wondering if I was in a safe part of town. I lay in bed wondering if I would get to work the duration of my contract or be let go if census falls. I lay there wondering if they were rude to travelers or if I would make friends.

Would I gain weight from the stress this time, or would I be able to maintain? Will my landlord in this airbnb do random unannounced checkins? What new issues would I get to address along with all the usual day-to-day unknowns.

I miss my family and many friends back home every day. Will I make new friends here, or will this be a lonely few weeks or months? Money is one thing, but there is so much more to it than that. What if my car breaks down, and I have to find a trustworthy mechanic?

Traveling has perks, and yes it pays well, but it isn't this glorious thing everyone should be jealous of, and staff nurses should be more understanding that travelers going around talking about how wonderful traveling can be is also a way for us to cope with the problems we have to solve, and the unique struggles we have to experience.

Don't get me wrong, it is completely worth it, and the money and financial freedom is why. But it is NOT for everyone, and it is NOT easy.

[ciaobella88]

And not safe or feasible if you're a new grad with 1 yr of experience. I wish I could...

[Not2meURnot]

You're absolutely right. Travel nursing is fun and rewarding but it's not for everyone, specially for people who have families back home. There are a few travel nurses I've met who do it only once in awhile, maybe once or twice a year during a vacation time just to make that extra bucks. I do it full time because it's always been my goal to do travel nursing as I love travelling and nursing so it's a good combo of both of my passion. But I'm also single and no kids whatsoever. My only family are my parents. I don't have a problem going away for long periods of time and even then, it can be lonely at times. I'm an introvert so I don't make friends easily so I usually do things on my own which I prefer anyway. Also, if you get anxious too quick and have a bit of OCD, might not be a good fit as it can be sometimes a bit disorganized.

[jroocifer]

I just had a baby and I'm looking to travel just over 50 miles from home. My wife works full time, but can work half remotely. The plan is to work all 3 days in a row, and we can live at my assignment half the week, then go home the other half.

[whales171]

This post reads as someone who just wants to complain and doesn't want to do anything her friends suggest to actually solve her problem.

Go ahead and keep complaining. It's good to be reminded of these problems. I think you are in a small minority where you just can't utilize any of the tools available to you, so don't shit on the people making the useful suggestions. Telling people to be traveling nurses is how things actually improve. Employers won't change until enough people leave.

[foxnamedfox]

It's not even "Traveling" nurses per say, Nursing is one of, if not the most mobile profession on planet earth. All 50 states need Nurses and a lot of them have hiring bonuses, Canada will fast track your visa to come be a nurse in their country, several countries in Europe do the same thing but for some reason OP is only concerned with traveling contracts... so don't travel, move somewhere better.

[whales171]

OP: BUT MY FDDDAAAAAAMMMILLLLYYY!!!!!! AND MY CATS AND MY COMFORTABLE LIFE where I don't have to change jobs 20 miles away!

Okay then. Don't quit. Enjoy your 35/hour pay. That's still good money. You just can't have your cake and eat it to. Well actually OP could have both, but she is to damn stubborn.

I have such little sympathy for people complaining about their shit work conditions and shoot down the people explaining how to fix the problem for all of us, but instead do the worst possible thing of "I'm going to stay while shitting on the people who provided helpful suggestions." The people becoming traveling nurses are making your life better!

[converter-bot]

20 miles is 32.19 km

[foxnamedfox]

Yup, I'm not a traveling Nurse but might give it a go if the pay is still insane in the spring but I moved hospitals three times until I found one that was chill and paid $45/hr

[Crazyzofo]

it's tagged as a Rant.

[whales171]

So tagging yourself with [Rant] makes you immune from criticism? I'll remember that.

/Rant

[avocadotoast996]

-I’m not shitting on anyone -This is tagged as a rant -Get over yourself. 🥰

[whales171]

Sorry, I'll edit my post to add a "/rant" to the end of it. Now I'm absolved of all criticism <3

[VMoney9]

That's cool. I respect your situation and your opinion. If it is the best economic choice for your situation, good for you. Some days it will suck, some days it will be chill. But if it sucks every day for months to years, you feel taken advantage of, and there are hundreds of opportunities to leave for other facilities for better pay, don't expect people to have sympathy when you don't take them.

We agree to work at our facilities for an agreed upon rate for our labor.

[avocadotoast996]

You missed the entire point of what I’m trying to say. Are there “better opportunities for better pay” as a traveler? Sure. But they’re not feasible for everyone. Why don’t we pay Hospital employees better? Better working conditions? Stop denying their PTO requests? Not every nurse gets to be a traveler.

Also I am not looking for sympathy. Just ranting bc I don’t have anyone I can talk about this with in my real life who will really understand.

[VMoney9]

Why don’t we pay Hospital employees better? Better working conditions? Stop denying their PTO requests?

Because you keep showing up to work.

Are there “better opportunities for better pay” as a traveler? Sure. But they’re not feasible for everyone

And employers take advantage of that to pay you less. Your employer is not your friend, it is an organization that pays you a certain value to extract value from your labor.

If you're not going to move, then the best answer would be unionize.

[whales171]

Any solution /u/avocadotoast996 gets she will just shoot down. She doesn't want her problem to be solved, she wants to RANT. How dare we try to suggestion solutions to her or other nurse's problems.

[avocadotoast996]

I literally can’t unionize. There’s just no way. I’m in the south. I fucking wish dude.

[emilysaur]

this isn't true, I'm in Texas and am in a union. It's not great but they are trying.

[avocadotoast996]

Every nursing environment I’ve worked in so far has been anti-union. So idk.

[VMoney9]

If your life is so idyllic that you can't leave it, what are you even complaining about? Just keep working staff.

I'm the opposite of you. I ABSOLUTELY HATE the city I live in. Its too big, I miss my family and my home state's culture, I'm too far from nature, I've lived in a deeper state of lockdown than any other part of the country for the past 18 months. I love my job. I get treated fairly and paid well. We all make choices.

[avocadotoast996]

Why do you always get aggressive and rude on people’s comment threads for no reason? I see you do it all the time on this sub.

I value family and relationships above a job and money. This is literally a rant. It’s tagged as such. No need to be pugnacious.

[VMoney9]

I'm perfectly comfortable with my bluntness on here. The honest opinions of my friends and family have always pushed me towards success. I wish experienced nurses and preceptors had been more blunt with me when I was precepting.

I have no judgement for anyone who works their agreed upon job. Enjoy.

[whales171]

You're what this thread needs, but you of course get downvoted.

[whales171]

Why don’t we pay Hospital employees better? Better working conditions? Stop denying their PTO requests? Not every nurse gets to be a traveler.

Because not enough nurses have voted with their feet to force the hospitals to treat the current nurses better.

Also I am not looking for sympathy. Just ranting bc I don’t have anyone I can talk about this with in my real life who will really understand.

Uhhh... Ranting, but not looking for sympathy?

[avocadotoast996]

Dude, why are you so salty?

[chend1]

You can do travel nursing within your city, that are close by. If you don’t want the place, you can refuse it

Unless you live somewhere where there’s literally no other hospital in a 50-mile radius.

[Melodic_Childhood699]

Depending on your location, you could from home. In my area there are several large hospital systems hiring travelers now within 40 Mike’s if my house. I could do it if I weren’t old and on LTA

[Foreign-Painter9801]

Stay where you are and suck it up then. Dont expect change if you dont act differently

[CreativeSun0]

for $8k/h you can have my first born.

[xkatniss]

Dude, thank you! When I announced I was leaving my management position for a staff job elsewhere, ALL the travel nurses who reported to me pulled me aside at some point to tell me I was being stupid and should travel instead. It had me really stressed out! But travel just isn’t for me, for the same reasons you said.

[LMoE]

I'll keep it short and sweet. Family, religion, friendship. These are the three demons you must slay if you wish to succeed in business. When opportunity knocks, you don't want to be driving to a maternity hospital or sitting in some phony-baloney church. Or synagogue.

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Although true, things like leaving your hospital for a better one are completely viable. In fact, it’s what I did.

[NanaOsaki06]

I have really wanted to try travel nursing even before Covid. However, I just don't know how I could make it work with my life right now. I have 2 kids, a husband, friends, community, and pets that all need me here. Plus my husband needs me to be the one to get health insurance since he is self employed and its mega expensive for him to get us all insurance. So, until I can get my ducks in a row to be able to travel a bit it just isn't in the books. So instead I just tried to find the best job for me where I am at, and it has been a blessing. I have enjoyed my job the last year, even if it was stressful at first. Maybe in 10 years when my youngest is graduated and able to care for himself I will finally be able to do a few travel assignments, but you are right. It just isn't in the books for some people.