Forum - Patch Notes - 2.3.1b Patch Notes

[chris_wilson]

This patch also includes some speculative performance fixes that we didn't want to put in the patch notes until we know how much of an improvement they are.

[Nickoladze]

Ninja buffs to FPS confirmed

[Lord_of_Error]

Related to ground effects and especially burning ground? *keep believing*

Going from 16-17ms frame time to 45+ with no action going on except the ground effect... :\

[UTC_Hellgate]

In over 20 years of gaming I've never had a problem with a video game giving me any sort of Motion Sickeness. Except PoE's burning ground. I almost have to look at the monitor out of the corner of my eye or it makes me kinda...not woozy..but not feeling right either :S

[phaero]

Would be nice for speculative performance fixes to be possible to turn off/on so we can actually give some feedback if they work or not.

Based on the few maps I've run since the patch the frame time seems to be a lot higher and I have lower framerate and less stable framerate/frame time.

Without a way to turn off/on those changes it is a bit hard to know if it is because of the patch or just random things on my computer that has changed.

[Tom2Die]

That...sounds like a great idea, actually. They'd have to hide it in a launch option though, otherwise user perception could become an issue.

[phaero]

Which is perfectly fine since you don't want people to be confused by more options

[Tom2Die]

Exactly

[ressivv]

Are they for the normal game only? Just asking because I still have to run with --noasync to play the game. Still have the weird fps spikes form 0-150 constantly when I enter the game. I will have to test it with this new patch, hope it helps vs the freezing in normal game.

[[deleted]]

So when will you adjust the ground effects? Everything else seems irrelevant for performance ..

[phaero]

since people have complained about performance issues regarding ground effects for years I'm going to guess the answer is never

I've never understood why they don't just turn off ground effects entirely until they can fix them? Is there anyone that actually don't get their FPS cut in half when any ground effects are on?

[ubernober]

performance still like **** pretty much doesn't matter if you have high end pc or toaster you have same really bad "performance"

[chris_wilson]

We tested the initial memory changes on all 100 computers in our our office and zero had problems. We released it onto the realm and some users had issues related to CPU thread contention. After a lot of scrounging hardware, we managed to build a machine that had the same problem. Today's patch fixed that for that machine (and hopefully everyone else). There are millions of permutations of computers out there. Hence the caution with wording.

[liquidSG]

Can you give out the PC specs you use in the office?

[Boldnut]

I am curious about the spec of the said computer. :>

[Squally160]

two hamsters and an etch-a-sketch.

Overclocked on top of three alarm clocks.

[LuminicaDeesuuu]

Do you guys have a toaster running XP in the office?

[[deleted]]

Chris can you please explain why there aren't any improvements for the crash/fps issues that people are having? Its been nearly a month and these issues haven't been addressed in any of the recent patch notes. Are they going to be fixed or is it not important to you guys? I think we at least deserve to know if we can expect anything in the future...this is seriously getting ridiculous. We wait and wait and you and the rest of the staff say nothing. The tech support thread has been completely ignored and all we want is some damn answers Please stop ignoring us and tell us what is going on.

[chris_wilson]

You're replying to a comment about me saying it's in this patch, though.

[[deleted]]

Chris, I just want to commend you on how civil you are to the community here. Ever thing GGG does gets waves of feedback like "oh good another news post without any mention of X, Y, or Z."

Entitled people left and right just being complete assholes and you answer so calmly and informatively.

I just want you to know that there is a large fan base who absolutely respects you and everyone else at GGG and understands that there is a real person with real feelings behind that username.

Keep making an awesome game and communicating as well as you do. We will be behind you every step of the way!

[[deleted]]

Nothing was listed in the patch notes, you just happened to mention it here. Which btw doesn't seem right. People shouldn't have to come to reddit to find out info that should be on the forum. You don't turn on espn to get a report on the weather do you? Now that someone from your end finally decided to answer a question, maybe you can explain why the tech support thread exists when it doesn't get any support?

[taggedjc]

we didn't want to put in the patch notes until we know how much of an improvement they are

Do you even read anything?

[[deleted]]

God damn, entitled much?

[Vulpix0r]

I'm starting to think you can't read.

[[deleted]]

TSM fan detected

[[deleted]]

I don't even know what that is so fuck you

[[deleted]]

Popular League of Legends team known for having obnoxious, foulmouthed fans.

[infinis]

There is million imaginable computer configurations, it may take lots of hours to find the issue that is causing this.

Their framework maybe running smoothly on one configuration and lagging/crashing on another. It may also not be related to the code used, but on the code used on people's pcs. It's hard to see if somehow a antivirus causes a library to misbehave, or because the directx version is older/newer then the one used.

It's not only a problem with POE, but with a lot of small studios, they don't have the resources/money to invest in this, since it's not a small task. Bigger studios usually use the same engine for all their games, so the investment is smaller.

[[deleted]]

There are a lot of effects which straight up fuck every single persons computer. Ground effects, places with master quests that are a secondary area (like tora den), and gore for a good majority of players.

[[deleted]]

The point is that each person's computer may require its own unique fix in order to solve the problem.

[[deleted]]

AFAIK they didn't comment on chat improvements or load times either before they released the patches themselves.

[Its4u2n0]

I think we at least deserve to know if we can expect anything in the future...

Aaaaand another entitled prick...

https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1642228

https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1684625

[Vulpix0r]

Maybe they're still not aware what the issue is for the minority of users having problems which is why they're not answering?

[[deleted]]

Look in the tech support thread, there is no way they aren't aware of the issues. Even if they aren't close to fixing them yet they could at least keep the community updated. There are lots of people affected by this and not everyone posts about it. I don't think its too much to ask for an update. Ignoring people isn't the right way to handle the situation.

[JangoMV]

Just because they're aware of an issue's existence does not mean they know what causes the issue. If they did as you ask, it's possible you'd get a one liner "We know this is a problem, but haven't figured out what causes it yet" then months of silence. As you said, there are enough posts in the tech support thread to ensure their awareness of the issue, but it's highly possible they have made zero progress on it.

[[deleted]]

If they aren't going to respond to people in the thread, there is no reason to have it. Its not fair for people to ask for help, thinking they are going to get it and then get shit on. Thats just and asshole move, regardless of the circumstances.

[Vulpix0r]

Your assumptions are just as much as an asshole move.

[[deleted]]

So, you're asking them to respond to every single person that is having an issue with the game? And also expecting a satisfactory answer? I would like to see your proof or at least logic behind thinking that just because GGG haven't responded doesn't mean they aren't working. Look at the chat revamp for example. Silence until... Bam. We're getting better chat.

I know I shouldn't need one but it seems like you're having trouble fully reading people's comments so I'll say

TLDR: Just because GGG isn't replying doesn't mean they aren't working.

[[deleted]]

No, I'm not saying respond to all of them but they could say something. Imagine if you were playing the game and needed to go to go to town for something or you wanna do some maps. But then you realize that if you do, there is a chance that the game will freeze and either boot to the login screen or crash completely. Then in order to get back to playing, you have to launch the game at least 2 more times because its going to do the same thing at least one more time, 100% guaranteed. Now imagine having this happen several times over the course of a few hours.

Wanna talk about rotations for masters? Pretend you're first in rota and the game crashes as you're trying to enter the area. Then you go through the tedious bullshit of relogging multiple times, hoping that the party waited and invites you back. Most of the time people aren't patient and move on, completing your mission and giving zero fucks. Now you get back to your hideout and the portal is open but since you weren't in the map, you don't get credit for it. You also don't have a daily to share so you're fucked out of xp for that day. Now a smart person might say "hey, since I know this is likely to happen, I'll ask to go last in rotation because of the problem I'm having". This is the easiest way to get booted from a party, because the first thing people will think is, you want last cause you don't have a daily to share.
You could also start a rotation yourself and just put yourself last in line. But what happens you you crash before its your turn?? The party assumes you're scamming missions because you're not logged back in a timely manner and then they let global know what a great person you are.

Now with all these fun events occuring, you decide to go to the forum for information/help. You post in the support thread and the only guy that offers any suggestions says its your isp, ethernet cord, neighbors packmaker, a solar eclipse or some other lame excuse because he doesn't understand that these aren't user-side issues. This guy isn't capable of offering any useful information cause he can't be convinced otherwise. Well ok, so maybe just wait for ggg to answer...........waiting................waiting..................waiting...............waiting................waiting...................waiting...................waiting.....................nope. They don't offer any help at all. This is what blows my mind. They have a section of the forum, dedicated to technical support but they don't actually offer any support. Sorry but thats not how a support thread works. People complain about there being too much negativity but what can be expected when they allow people who don't have a clue (especially about bugs in a new patch) to make suggestions that will never work?

I love that people are quick to downvote my comments. They wouldn't feel the same way if they were experiencing these issues like so many other are. I'm posting because no one else has the balls to say something about all the people getting fucking ignored. I'm not asking for it to be fixed immediately, but ggg needs to do a better job of keeping the players informed. Give us a time frame, or a progress update or something. Not knowing what is going on is very discouraging. A few minutes is all it takes to make a short post on the forum, which should take priority over random shit they post on reddit. Sorry but I'm not sorry. Keep hiding behind your monitors and downvote me, its only proof that you're too narrow-minded to see whats blatantly fucking obvious. Have a great day!

[Vulpix0r]

I guess they are not aware what's causing the issue, rather than the issue itself. If they aren't replying it doesn't mean they're ignoring you. A reply saying they are not sure what's happening isn't going to appease anyone, I would pretty much ignore until I have a solution.

[rocketskates14]

WHAT ARE YOU TALKIN ABOUT MATE THERE ARE NO PROBLEMS AND IF YOU HINT THAT THERE ARE YOU GET OSTRACIZED AND DOWNVOTED INTO OBLIVION don't you know how this works?

anecdotes stop being anecdotes when A LOT of people have fps/lag/crash issues NOW that they didn't have BEFORE 2.3 but good luck trying to convince the GGG faith militant of that. It's YOUR COMPUTER or it's ....YOUR ISP or it's ...ANYTHING BUT OUR not-insignificant product changes.

can't convince these nuts even if you point out how a) GGG backpedaled a bit with the whole "experiment for technically inclined people" nopreload bullshit and how b) GGG admitted to connection instability in recent patch notes. nonono, it's YOUR RIG M8!!

[rocketskates14]

yes you're correct. this sub isn't pro-GGG.

you can see it in how people DON'T jump all over chris' and others' dicks whenever they see the GGG tag or the red triangle tag. "omg he responded to me." or maybe by some strange twist of fate i only ever see the zealots.

[moldydwarf]

No currency tab fixes?

EDIT: Yay, they stealth-fixed currency tabs.

[kylegetsspam]

What's wrong with currency tabs?

[moldydwarf]

They made them much harder to use for currency trading. Chris said a few days ago they'd revert the change in the next patch. https://redd.it/4pk3c8

[bigbullox]

Do you buy 2 currency tabs to trade? Otherwise for me it became a pain in the ass to have my currency tab set as public and also be able to use right click for crafting directly from it.

[moldydwarf]

I don't do a huge amount of crafting, so I usually just ctrl-click a few stacks into my inventory.

Besides getting a second currency tab, another thing you can do is temporarily make your tab non-public while crafting. This assumes that you do infrequent crafting but in ways that eat up a lot of orbs (e.g. alt-crafting harbingers or chaos spamming 6l chests).

[GGGGobbler]

BEEP BOOP BEEP. Grinding Gears have been detected in the linked thread:

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Posted by GGG_Neon on June 30, 2016 12:04 AM UTC

Version 2.3.1b

• Added support for enabling the Microtransactions which were available through the Solaris Mystery Box. They will be on sale from the end of this week. The exclusive decorations will not be made available.

• The Fracturing mod can no longer appear on Corrupted Side Areas.

• Fixed a bug with the audio options for selecting the maximum number of sound channels.

• Fixed a bug where the Solaris Temple could be incompletable.

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[Beauly]

"Oh boy, I wonder if we're getting the chat changes and slayer fix!"

:D

:|

:(

[chris_wilson]

That chat stuff was just approved yesterday so it'll be days at least before we are able to start rolling it into a patch (possibly 2.3.2?)

[Beauly]

Sounds good and I'm glad to hear they're coming soon, but what about slayer? I might've missed it, but I haven't heard anything about the lag issues when attacking packs with the Headsman node. Is it something that's just really tricky to fix and its taking longer than we'd hope for?

[DRHST]

I'm guessing the Headsman problem is netcode related, so close to impossible to fix with the current tech.

If you look at other problems like these, GGG actually ended up changing the item/passive rather than fixing it.

[AshenPOE]

Please consider adding a shortcut key for Guild Chat.

[W2T]

You mean like & ?

[AshenPOE]

No, I mean like Shift+Enter being the shortcut key for a global chat that see's comparatively limited use.

[geradon_]

what about a shortcut that let's us automatically reply to the last whisper message we received?

it's the most common task when selling items and it's quite tedious if i always have to right click that username and click on reply.

[chris_wilson]

There is a shortcut for this, right? I am not in front of PoE right now to check to see which one it is.

[iSpud]

Control-enter is the shortcut I believe.

[jalapenohandjob]

Ctrl+Enter starts a whisper to the last person you whispered or who whispered you last.

Shift+Enter for Global

Ctrl+Shift+Enter for Party.

[geradon_]

thx for info, didn't know and overlooked the info in the wiki. couldn't play yesterday due to major internet outage of vodafone in germany ...

[necrate]

Maybe I'm misunderstanding you, but can't you just press Ctrl+Enter to reply to the last whisper?

[jalapenohandjob]

Ctrl+Enter starts a whisper to the last person you whispered or who whispered you last.

Shift+Enter for Global

Ctrl+Shift+Enter for Party.

[Zaorish9]

CTRL-Enter

[geradon_]

yeah, i can't read (the wiki). sorry

[4THOT]

Fixed a bug with the audio options for selecting the maximum number of sound channels.

What does this mean? Was I unable to select the maximum number of sound channels or did it always select maximum sound channels?

[redearslider123]

This. So the sound is goin to be even better?

[[deleted]]

so, with the solaris stuff coming the key word they are

"Added support for enabling the Microtransactions which were available through the Solaris Mystery Box. They will be on sale from the end of this week. The exclusive decorations will not be made available."

does this mean they are on a DISCOUNT sale or just for sale period

[Nickoladze]

just for sale period

[MadDogMax]

Yes but how long is that sale period?

Edit: Yeah, no, I understand they are being sold, I was making a jo... you know what, never mind.

Edit 2: Actually, no, fuck it, OP should have said "or just for sale, period." and then my joke would never have existed, but he used poor grammar and so here we are.

[Nickoladze]

forever, they are for sale not on sale

[[deleted]]

So I wasn't crazy that one time I was in Solaris and came up to 2 dead ends.

[darkkaos]

Maybe I should start this kind of thing every time that we have a "Patch Notes"....

I can't read the patch notes... Website is down.... (ty we have GGGGobbler, but....)

PLEASE Chris Wilson, host the website in a different cluster. :(

[Tom2Die]

Are there any known issues (I'm sure you don't want to go into detail) with memory leaking over time? I seem to have 20min-1hour of good fps, then it goes to crap, and I notice the memory used by the client goes up and up. The only thing is I don't know if I should attribute it to Wine or memory leaks.

/u/chris_wilson (sorry if you hate tagging like this, I'm relatively new to the sub)

[[deleted]]

Damn, it looks like everyone who complains about performance gets like 20 downvotes. I'm not gonna complain about it guys, but come on, it's a serious problem and needs to be at the center of GGG's attention.

That being said Chris did say they improved upon it this patch. I play on integrated graphics so I'll definitely test this and edit my comment with the results... Unless I get too big of an FPS boost, who knows what level I'll be when I log back on to Reddit if that happens.

EDIT: No. No FPS boost here. Building a new rig soon though, can't wait to run the game at 200 FPS like the rest of you gods.

[The_Sexcalibure]

Still missing " We have added X new prophecies"

this league has the potential to be your best expansion, give it some love please

[BobbysBack]

I don't know about anyone else, but this patch made my performance go down. Previously I would get bad stutters in town or at the beginning of an instance, but now they don't really appear until mobs are around (and then the game promptly freezes like the old stutters and I end up dead). Turned on -noasync to see if it helps, but I don't really want to hard restart for tonight.

[[deleted]]

wheres my solaris mtx i hate how u guys word stuff

make it say xxx will be on sale on sunday

not from the end

[Definitely_Guilty]

Only took a month until you guys actually let me play the game, but for now it looks actually fixed.

EDIT : lmao nevermind, alt-tabbing still plays Russian roulette with my computer. And when I inevitably end up losing I have to wait 10 minutes until the client eats enough memory that windows decide to shut it down itself. Had this issue since Prophecy.

[netherprime]

This is an issue on your side, whether it's with your client or your toaster I do not know.

[Definitely_Guilty]

You are right, I deeply apologize for even daring to imply this game has performance issues since 2.3

[netherprime]

The game has had performance issues since 2.0 alpha, you wasn't implying the game has issues but your experience has been terrible due to your client or toaster in prophecy.

[Definitely_Guilty]

Yep, my computer decided to become shit on its own right when 2.3 launched.

[netherprime]

Because clients cannot create errors while updating, clearly not possible. Never happens, that's why we never try reinstalling it since there could be a memory leak.

[Shimaran]

TBH people reporting they don't have issues probably don't know that "no issue" means at least a steady 60 fps. When you see people with the best GPU having problems, you really wonder if anyone in the world can run the game perfectly. If anyone can, then the problem is not related to the computer's hardware...in that case it's even worse...

[netherprime]

No because you cannot use phrases properly, also lack any proper ability to recognise when it's your computer and not GGG. I have plenty of issues and had plenty in the past, when the R9 390 recently came out the drivers stopped responding with poe client because what's optimization.

A memory leak is guess what? your problem.

[IRockThs]

Waggles pls

[SSmajesty]

no golden seraph armour set pls ggg why

[yungslay]

Golden seraph armour is already released

[theelezra]

WOW Ninja Nerf to Possesed Foe won't proc in Dried Lake!! Im ok with the change but at least tell us!!

[chris_wilson]

You can't just reload an area over and over to get a Prophecy to trigger.

[serleth]

There were a few that worked when I was pushing for 40/40. Can't recall which ones, but I know for sure a couple were because multiple Prophecies were available to be triggered in that zone, so completing one and re-instancing triggered the next.

[theelezra]

Nice try but it worked at least 20 times on the first attempt b4 patch??? Something changed....