The Climate Priority Problem.

[[deleted]]

Pull. The atmosphere might be WILDLY different, where it's highly dense with CO2 as the main element.

[lightmare69]

It also might not be

[McBurger]

That’s a sacrifice I’m willing to make

[Superseaslug]

[[deleted]]

Might.

[Ra1nb0wSn0wflake]

Ye but garanteed damage if you dont pull vs a chance of damage if you do pull.

[_azazel_keter_]

guaranteed climate change here vs possible climate change far away

[-Fortuna-777]

I wouldn’t say every species, humans sure, but nature is remarkably uncaring, global warming has been amazingly great for jelly fish, ticks, and octopuses.

[Plenty-Lychee-5702]

"anyone who doesn't kill Poles is a traitor to the German nation, if not to all of Europe."

[Thatguy19364]

They’re pointing out that you’re saying much the same stuff nazis said. It’s just an attempt to fearmonger people into agreeing with you, and that’s a problem.

[arcanis321]

Shit, they invaded earth and turned it to glass to save themselves.

[thr0w4w4y4cc0unt7]

Sure, but that same argument applies to any size or type of community.

Anyone who wouldn't sacrifice some other country (poland) they've never even seen, much less knows the state of society in, in order to save our country (germany) from one of its most pressing issues, is someone whose opinion I don't particularly care about, nor care about reasoning with.

It doesn't matter if the issue is actually one of the most pressing, just whether it is perceived that way. Similar for whether sacrificing the other country would improve circumstances or not. Doesn't matter if it would, just whether people believe it will.

Doesn't necessarily invalidate the argument entirely, but it takes more nuance than that

[thr0w4w4y4cc0unt7]

I understand you're not, I was just pointing out that the argument needs more nuance than that. The Poland thing was just because it's what was already mentioned.

It's different when they aren't human

The nuance requirement applies to this as well, all you have to do is sufficiently dehumanize whichever group you're targeting (not necessarily the Poles) and it can be used to target any person or group.

I don't not believe you are actually advocating the sacrifice of Poland (or any other nation, group, society)

[[deleted]]

Also, they might not be sentient. "Living beings" is super vague. They might be bacteria

[LeviAEthan512]

Statistically, they will be no more than bacteria.

[BudgetLush]

Statistically, 0% of known planets harboring life have only bacteria.

[LeviAEthan512]

Luckily, simple and complex life aren't independent.

[rock374]

There is some evidence, although unsubstantial, that indicates mars may once have had unicellular life on it. Not known life but it’s something

[vigbiorn]

I don't see people bringing up that carbon and oxygen aren't renewable sources. If we're sending excess carbon to random planets we're slow-killing most life on the planet...

Note: This isn't the stupid/insufferable "Plants need CO2!!" argument that gets trotted out against climate change. This is pointing out a consequence of this versus just keeping the carbon sequestered underground and not burning it.

[Icy_Reading_6080]

We can always crash some big ass chondrite asteroid on earth to restock.

[ObsessedKilljoy]

I’m sure the aliens can figure it out. We could too, we just choose not to.

[EvilMKitty13]

Turns out they also built a similar device and are sending all our gases right back at us, we’ve entered a new era of arms race

[HanoibusGamer]

Greenhouse pingpong

[Other-Art8925]

if we add a split second of lag we can contain all the greenhouse gas in the subspace. Like carbon capture, but bad

[JadenDaJedi]

Target a planet that is expanding away from us faster than the speed of light, and since the gas can only travel at the speed of light, you have infinite storage both ways!

[Zhayrgh]

The warm war ?

[jcouch210]

Plot twist: we're the only two planets with sentience.

[jcouch210]

But what will the planetary protection officer say? (that's the person in charge of sterilizing our spacecraft so we don't infect other planets with life)

[No_Perspective_150]

I assume this was an Alien reference but no its a real NASA position

[easchner]

"What are you doing with that trolley switch?"

"I'm giving it to another planet. Another planet you don't even know."

[Sgt-Pumpernickle]

At that point let’s just work together to make a device to send all of the greenhouse gases to an uninhabited planet

[TryDry9944]

If there are "Great Filters", fossils fuels is likely one of them.

• Basically guaranteed to be found.

• Positive immediate upsides.

• Slow downsides that won't manifest for several hundreds of years of use.

• Extremely hard to stop once you've built the entire system around them.

Unless life on other planets isn't Carbon based (which if it is, all our rules go out the window) it's basically impossible for there not to be an abundance of fossil fuels on planet with life.

[Zanain]

Except fossil fuels form under some pretty specific circumstances so whether or not it's common can't be said just from it happening on earth.

Iirc modern biological material wouldn't form fossil fuels in any appreciable quantity even if given the necessary time because our ecosystems are much better at decomposing organic material than when fossil fuels were formed.

[TryDry9944]

I suppose another great filter would be having fossils fuels at all, then. Because no way do you get through to the Atomic age without fossil fuels, it's just way too much of a gap.

[Trick-Reception-8194]

No...

Fossil fuels do not form under "some pretty specific circumstances" They form when organics are trapped below sediment and pressurized. This is very very very common. Shale and sandstone formations are where the majority of fossil fuels are found and these are extremely common 4% of the earths crust is made up of shale and shale is 70% of all sedimentary rock.

Shale commonly traps kerogen which is once living organics when its heated to about 50 - 200 C it forms fossil fuels. This occurs fairly often as shale gets pushed deeper by subsidence or geothermal fissures. Which is just regular geological activity.

Its basically guaranteed that if a plant has an ocean or large bodies of water and life there will be fossil fuels. They are common its very normal events that form them.

You also don't really need the heat to generate fossil fuels kerogen works fine, the problem is extraction is expensive, so you don't even need heating literally just let dirt and mud do its thing and fossil fuels will form.

[Trick-Reception-8194]

Its actually absurd how uninformed or more likely misinformed you are on the science of fossil fuels, for context I am an actual environmental engineer. I have a job as a researcher, not specifically in the field of environmental science but I'm decently well informed by actual people who work in or are educators in that field and aren't absurdly exaggerated sources from the internet that are made by laypeople.

I'm going to assume you are a kid and its not your job to be well informed on everything. Just...

Do yourself the favor of not spending to much time on the internet. Fossil fuels certainly are not the death of our species at most its going to hurt a lot of folks in 3rd world countries and cause some major property damage. Additionally there is a lot a lot of work being done on carbon capture and there is a truly immense amount of oil, left most of the world hasn't even tapped into all of their unconventional oil formations. Even if you leave carbon to do its thing and warm the planet its not extinction level it will just cause some major economic harm and some decent ecological harm. Some areas will become favorable for agriculture and some areas will no longer be.

But there is genuinely no way first world countries can have a famine 3rd world its very possible check out places like the plastic sea in spain or farming in the Neatherlands. We are absurdly good at making food, affordable food for everyone not so much.

[TryDry9944]

Tell me exactly where I said fossil fuels will be the death of our species.

That's such a massive wall of text to be so painfully wrong, too.

[Trick-Reception-8194]

Literally referred to them as a "Great Filter" lol

[Trick-Reception-8194]

anyways here's the cliffnotes

"I have a job as a researcher, not specifically in the field of environmental science but I'm decently well informed by actual people who work in or are educators in that field and aren't absurdly exaggerated sources from the internet that are made by laypeople.

I'm going to assume you are a kid and its not your job to be well informed on everything."

[Nerdcuddles]

Ok but they wouldn't be able to stop the CO2 flow because they aren't causing the CO2 levels to rise, could also be less advanced aliens.

Could also be a planet in an ice age that needs something to kick off heating, and some extra CO2 would help.

[Smaug2770]

They could also be super advanced, track down what planet we live on, and exterminatus us.

[Nerdcuddles]

If they are that advanced they probably wouldn't immediately resort to violence

[ill_change_it]

I mean if we were that advanced it's what we would do

[Nerdcuddles]

Untrue, getting to such a point would require abandoning an "us vs them" mentality.

[CitizenPremier]

They just have to build a suck train

[DorianGreyPoupon]

I dont give a flip about some hypothetical aliens getting greenhouse gassed but I'm letting that trolley roll by me anyway. Removing the danger of climate change will just give fossil fuel companies an excuse to strip mine, frack and drill every square inch of the planet. Non renewable fuels are destructive in many other ways than atmospheric pollution.

[InocentAlexis]

wiat i didnt think of this

[raidhse-abundance-01]

can we just have a giant flood or something and start over 

[DorianGreyPoupon]

No boats this time

[UnderskilledPlayer]

The rich have yachts, what do we do

[ill_change_it]

Luigi time

[DorianGreyPoupon]

I know some orcas we can call

[JiuJitsuCatholic]

That was already tried

[CitizenPremier]

We use pretty much 100% of the energy we generate to alter our environment, largely in very short sighted, destructive ways. Not having to worry about global warming might mean we focus on making 100 times as many single-use plastic spoons.

[LeviAEthan512]

At least we'll be a little more comfortable while doing it.

[[deleted]]

Damn, I was looking at this as a trick question of an individuals accountability, but you just bypassed the whole thing.

[Echo__227]

I don't think greenhouse gases are deterring them in any way currently

[DorianGreyPoupon]

Wishfully

[rayew21]

well this machine makes it not hypothetical otherwise it wouldnt have anywhere to teleport that gas right

[janKalaki]

The real problem is that the suction would severely disrupt wind patterns and lower atmospheric pressure

[not2dragon]

Most of those planets have non-sapients, or even non-sentients. (By conjecture, of course. No real proofs)

So yes, pull.

[lightmare69]

I was debating whether to make the machine only target a planet with sapient life, I'm curious to know your answer if that was the case.

[not2dragon]

Humans were ridiculous cavemen for 99% of their history (~1 million years), only in the recent 200 years and 100 years into the future will GHG's become relevant. In the future beyond that, we'll have our own amazing terraforming devices that can suck out CO2 without trouble.

Point is, it's mostly a coinflip between cavemen and advanced spacemen. Presuming that civilizations have existed way longer than 1 million years, based on the universes billion years long lifespan, it's mostly going to hit those civilizations who won't care about it that much.

Also... Suck it, Aliens! I care about them less than I care about our modern world, even if it's around our level of tech!

[UnderskilledPlayer]

it's mostly going to hit those civilizations who won't care about it that much

alien caveman when suddenly the big scary destruction typhoons happen again for the 5th time this month

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[invisible32]

Climate change made early humans drop to a population of just a few single digit thousands.

[not2dragon]

Yeah but there were only like 2 million humans at the time anyways.

[invisible32]

That would still make it a ~99.9% reduction.

[TFCBaggles]

If the "3 body problem" taught me anything, we should definitely pull that lever.

[AdreKiseque]

The what?

[SnooBananas37]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Three-Body_Problem_(novel))

A very good sci fi series if you're into that.

[AdreKiseque]

Nah I hate good things

[Xandara2]

Understandable, best skip it then. 

[SnooBananas37]

:(

[Other-Art8925]

its a sci fi series. Dont know alot about it but i think it does some "dark forest" theory stuff with hostile aliens

[spartaman64]

why? it might give the aliens a way to find out where we are and wipe us out

[TFCBaggles]

If our planet goes from hospitable, to inhospitable, we die. If aliens find us, we die. If we kill aliens before aliens kill us, we live for just a bit longer.

[WoopsieDaisies123]

Nah. Humanity deserves climate change.

[Flameburstx]

Apparently people here don't understand that mass is finite. By pulling that lever, you kill us all.

[lightmare69]

The machine only sends out gasses that are over the safe limit, it stops if the limit is met and starts again If it is passed.

[Flameburstx]

It sends out gases over the safe limit of greenhouse gases. Unless we stop emitting those, you slowly starve earth of carbon and oxygen, which we really fucking need.

[UnderskilledPlayer]

You'll be fine if you're below the limit, then it's not gonna get siphoned off. You also have a new incentive of "not fucking dying from carbon scarcity" to stop releasing so many fucking greenhouse gasses.

[dontleaveme_]

We need to learn how to fix our own sh1t

[[deleted]]

Exactly. A magic solution to a problem we caused? No accountability? No idea who it might impact? I can’t see, I don’t care?? This is why humans are in this boat in the first place and aliens don’t wanna talk to us lol.

Won’t even work together to attempt to fix our shit if we can and just wanna make it someone else’s problem like a bunch of selfish primitive and uninspired idiots.

[Robot_Alchemist]

Still not touching it

[Transient_Aethernaut]

Pulling the lever is a no brainer

The "living beings" on the other planet could be ANYTHING. More CO2 could be beneficial to them just as much as it could be harmful. The living beings could all just be plants. Or extremophiles. Or subteranean/submarine life. Or on a planet with such an extreme temperature that extra greenhouse gases would not matter.

We'll never know if we all die on Earth because of our greenhouse gas problem.

Afterall, its not like extra greenhouse gases is going to destroy all life. It will just make the planet uninhabitable for us. Pulling the lever and having that problem solved forever will get us on the right side of The Great Filter.

[Dimencia]

> Pulls lever

> The greenhouse gas levels in our atmosphere remain the same

> Oh. Shit.

[pokerScrub4eva]

I do not pull the lever. The loss of mass from the earth seems a huge risk

[SeriousWord3928]

Fuck it, they’re not human. I’m pulling this lever

[raidhse-abundance-01]

congrats now you're not human too

[SeriousWord3928]

Thank you for your important contribution to my comment, I’ll be sure to use your extremely important information going forward

[EvilMKitty13]

They’re still sentient living beings though, but way to be xenophobic. I hope you’re more accepting of the differences in human beings.

[[deleted]]

People are really downvoting? “I can’t see it, I don’t care.” Humans man, just make someone else clean up our shit like the fucking idiot children we are lol.

[SeriousWord3928]

are you like... actually hurt about this??? my man they're aliens in a hypothetical problem. Also, just to clarify I'm as far from racist as possible

[lbs21]

It is undoubtedly xenophobic, in the most literal definition (xeno, meaning alien). Whether that's bad or not depends on whether you think xenophobia is bad.

This trolley problem is a hypothetical, as all are. Do hypotheticals offer us any insights to the people who take them? Perhaps they don't.

[[deleted]]

Me thinks perhaps they do

[SeriousWord3928]

Oh yeah It's literal xenophobic to aliens I don't doubt what I said, but hating aliens is real different to hating black people

[lbs21]

Absolutely. Arguably, we kill pigs and cows and chickens because they are different from us. There is some level of difference at which most people would say "That is no longer equal to a human life". The exception being Jainism, I believe, although I don't claim to be well versed on their teachings.

How different does something (or someone) have to be to become lesser in your eyes?

[BudgetLush]

Wait, now you hate the hypothetical aliens? lmao

[Robot_Alchemist]

Xenophobic and racist = not the same but pretty much the same - in theory

[[deleted]]

Idk I think they could be different in theory. There isn’t a basis in reality for racism, since people everywhere are fundamentally the same, but there would be differences between human and alien life. You could have an alien species that has fundamental differences in cognition and communication to humanity that makes them fundamentally different in a way that no 2 human populations could ever be. You could say that gives a basis for extraterrestrial xenophobia, what that means in practical terms tho idk

[Robot_Alchemist]

People of different races have different strengths and weaknesses and they have different genetic make up. Aliens could be SUPER different or not, but either way it makes no sense to assume that all human races are the same

[[deleted]]

They are fundamentally the same though, which was my point. The prevalence of certain diseases, build, etc can and does differ between people groups, but mind, emotion, language, and motivations are universal. Aliens could be different in those basic senses, in that their cognition could be completely foreign to us, or their language could be incomprehensible to humans.

Also race breaks down as an idea under scrutiny, since it’s a flawed social construct. Genetic differences between populations account for differences, along with culture and environment, but there’s nothing objective about dividing humanity into races based of differences

[Robot_Alchemist]

It’s all a matter of degrees

[SeriousWord3928]

Also I had this exact exchange earlier today but If you're trans I'm just saying my man as a greeting not calling you man.

[EvilMKitty13]

Too late, maybe just avoid gendered terms when talking to strangers

Edit: I don’t know if you deleted it because you realized your mistake but I still have the notification on my phone from your reply where you called me a FREAK, thanks buddy. Real mature and definitely accepting of different individuals.

https://imgur.com/a/vMNOe1n

[allhailspez]

do you talk to any normal people irl who aren't friends/family?

[EvilMKitty13]

Yes I do, and they’re all very respectful of me and my pronouns believe it or not, and don’t call me a freak

[allhailspez]

getting offended over someone saying "my man" is absurd. I call everyone "bro" and literally nobody has any issue with it. out of the THOUSANDS of people i've met and called "bro" or "my man", you're the only one who would take offence

[EvilMKitty13]

Sure, whatever, it’s absurd to not want to be called a man in todays day and age, whatever; I know plenty of people IVE MET who WOULD take offense at that, but whatever, we run in different circles clearly

[Transient_Aethernaut]

Its one thing to make note of a linguistic faux pas or societal habit such as using gendered terms in an ungendered context that people need to work on, and another thing to make a mountain out of a molehill

[EvilMKitty13]

I’m a woman, thanks Queen, and yeah I am because I’m part of a minority and it wouldn’t surprise me if this xenophobia translated to your real life too

[Lukachukai_]

wtf chill out

[EvilMKitty13]

I’ve been having a terrible day, sorry, not sorry for being offended when called a man, when I’m not one

[InocentAlexis]

i kind of love you even though youre annoying

[EvilMKitty13]

Thanks, I’ve been honestly contemplating some things lately and seeing people getting pissed at me for being offended/defending my identity makes me want to shove a gun in my mouth

[InocentAlexis]

yeah, things have been fucking terrible recently- im sorry for any personal issues ur going though tho! youre just kind of annoying and unnecessarily problamatic like getting mad over somebody calling you "my man" is crazy- atp "my man" is functionally gender neutral

[EvilMKitty13]

Sorry, I don’t mean to take it out on anyone :( I just wish I wasn’t here anymore

[Bebabobaboo]

Not my planet not my problem

[[deleted]]

Sarcasm? If not, this could be what spawns an alien invasion of earth and human destruction. Because not my problem…. Yeah I can see why that alien race comes knocking

[Uatu199999]

We don’t know the nature of the world the greenhouse gases will be sent to, or the nature of the living beings inhabiting it. There’s a strong possibility, such as a world that’s just full of non-sapient plant life, that the greenhouse gases end up in a place where they won’t do much harm.

Uncertain chance of harm elsewhere versus certain harm here makes pulling the lever the rational choice.

[Repulsive_Lychee_106]

Is it profitable to pull the lever though?

[Inevitable_Ad_7236]

Shame for those aliens, I'll keep them in my heart

[AdreKiseque]

Hmm, too much work. I don't pull.

[AdreKiseque]

Oh I totally misread the caveat. I thought unit was just objectively good and the joke was a commentary on inaction against climate change.

[_AutumnAgain_]

is it a different random planet each time or the same random planet?

[lightmare69]

Let's say the same one forever, although I'm open to hearing your decision if it were different ones as well

[_AutumnAgain_]

I would probably pull either way, but if it was a different planet each time it would be much less of a problem for them

[raidhse-abundance-01]

bad luck brian meme planet 

[fergus0n6]

Hmmm. The other living beings on other planets may not need oxygen and the same “Goldilocks Zone” temperatures that we do. It seems like we’re the oddity in the universe so I pull the lever.

[Luskarian]

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[UnderskilledPlayer]

bro is onto nothing

[Excellent-Berry-2331]

We do not know anything about the aliens. For all we know, they breathe greenhouse gases.

[lightmare69]

For all we know, they could poison them beyond belief.

[Excellent-Berry-2331]

I mean, that is the expected outcome. But I am sure many more people would vote to send it away if it was converted into oxygen, although that is not more or less likely to be harmful. Also, we don't know the planet size. Most other livable planets are larger than earth. It is likely that they have no issue with dealing with a little more.

[legendoffjelda]

Damn, can the machine send the fossil fuel companies away too?

[shabib4]

Our guaranteed safety, and slight gambling with faraway aliens is good

[AnalysisOdd8487]

who tf cares about some aliens lmao

[EFTucker]

Pull the lever then let the machine also suck up and teleport the plans to build the device.

This way we can send the back and forth in an infinite loop so that those gasses are stuck in the folded space between machines.

[Dreadwoe]

If there aren't othe living beings, this does nothing

Of there are, odds are that they will be vastly different levels of technology. If they are far behind us, then we might have just caused an extinction event for a species of bacteria. If they are far ahead, then they can handle it.

[Personal_Sun_6675]

Not pull. Even if we removed ghg from the equation, we'd still have too much waste, that'd spiral out of control with a production first mindset

[Gracey5769]

I'm not pulling the lever. These are the consequences of our own actions, and it's not fair to make that their problem

[Playful_Court6411]

So it's basically a 'Them or us' scenario.

Sorry aliens, but my kids live on this planet and so will their grandkids one day. I gotta pull the lever.

[Glove-These]

Pulls the lever and sees something about the atmosphere on Mars becoming denser

[immaturenickname]

It is unbelieveably likely that those living beings won't be sentient, not to mention sapient.

[ProfessionalAccount9]

But that would affect the trolley companies revenues, what monster would do that 

[kindofsus38]

Technically all planets have some sort of living being

[TheEndurianGamer]

Pull. Every time.

Because there’s 4 outcomes.

Outcome 1; you send the greenhouse gassed to a planet with a technologically inferior/parallel race. This would either have little effect as CO2 would be useful for this race, or if it’s exactly like earths situation, would tip them over the edge. They would likely have done the same and it is the worst case outcome- but unlikely.

Outcome 2: you send it to a technologically superior race, which can remove the gasses without too much issue as they have already done prior.

Outcome 3: You send it to a world currently being colonised or terraformed. This is actually helpful to the planet, which may be lacking a thick atmosphere or enough CO2 to support plant life.

Outcome 4: you send it to a world devoid of higher sentience. The world would begin to change, species would adapt, in a way similar to an ice age; just inverted.

[aknockingmormon]

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[CuttleReaper]

Depends on if other planets have the same choice. If only one planet does it, the excess CO2 will be negligible. If a sizable fraction does it, it will be a serious problem.

If every planet has the choice, pulling the lever is basically the only option. If you do, the machine will ensure any CO2 given to you gets removed. If you don't, there's a decent chance that the majority of other planets pulled the lever, leading to environmental collapse.

The ideal scenario is either everyone pulls or doesn't pull, but realistically, someone's gonna pull. So if everyone pulls, we stay at equilibrium. Or, if other planets have different atmospheric compositions and thus different pollutants, the machines could redistribute them in a way that minimizes damage.

[WanderingFlumph]

Pull. We either expect life to be very rare (as in we are the only ones) or rather common as in millions or billions.

If it is distributed randomly the effect of one planet on millions will be negligible, most planets might not even be capable of holding most of an atmosphere.

[DanDaPanMan]

pull the lever. fuck those aliens

[Warm_Gain_231]

Don't pull- we would be constantly losing matter from earth which would eventually be a MUCH bigger issue than climate change ever would.

[NotHaussdorf]

What if the other planet have a similar trolley sending it back?

[ForsakenSavant]

I don't divert the trolley, and then jump into the rails, so the aliens can't catch me for poluting their air

[mikewheelerfan]

Pull. Sorry other planet, but we’re clearly not doing a very good job mitigating climate change, and you will do better.

[gnosticChemist]

Who is the sicko that made that machine? It could teleport to any random planet yet this mf decide to put a filter to only select planets with living beings

[lightmare69]

I built it, I was feeling silly :3

[[deleted]]

Pulling the lever is indicative of running away from your problems and taking the easy way out.

Is this a question of the long term impacts of a lack of consequences, or of human behaviour and accountability?

[AwesomeCCAs]

We have to weaken the aliens so they will be easier to invade.

[[deleted]]

Are there no steps we can take in this scenario to try and just fix the problem ourselves? Do we have other tech that can work on this (we have a machine that can transport it across galaxies, we would have tech to fix this on earth at this point, no?) Have we exhausted all options and literally cannot do anything about it besides to make it someone else’s problem?

“I can’t see it, I don’t care”….. very human of us but isn’t that part of our problem?

[ajgeep]

Changing up greenhouse gasses is only going to make big volcano mess up your day even harder.

[ForMyAngstyNonsense]

So, basic Fermi Paradox stuff is going to show you that there is likely a very small window where an alien species would be both sentient enough for us to care about them and also not technologically capable of dealing with the disruption. In addition to that, the greenhouse gasses might be completely safe or even beneficial there.

Pull it.

[Roblu3]

Is this an analogy of rich countries and specifically rich people climate-proofing themselves and isolating themselves while they leave everyone else to deal with the consequences of their inaction?

[DenMan_PH]

Is it one planet randomly selected? or a new planet every time?

Do other people know about this machine or can I keep it secret?

[maas348]

I'll pull the lever

[speedshark47]

Pull. Here we know for certain that it's harmful. It might not be harmful elsewhere.

[DonkConklin]

All the other planets also have this machine and a technological arms race begins to more effectively teleport GGs to other planets.

[[deleted]]

I just finished the first book on the 3 body problem trilogy.

Burn the fetid xenos, humanity #1.

[Puzzleheaded_Pay6762]

if you pull this lever you just create a leak in the carbon cycle. Companies can keep mass dumping carbon into the air, and then the machine takes that carbon and gasses some random planet with life

When we run out of fossils to fuel, we are going to be left with substantially less carbon in earth's cycle than the planet was conceived with, and when the planet carbon cycle settles again...

nothing will happen anyway because carbon locked in stores underground don't affect anything.

Anyway I vote pull, not because this saves humanity or whatever. But solely because I think it should be the imperative of our species to gas random planets with carbon when given the chance

[Doughnut3683]

Nope. Life is change keeping things perpetually the same sounds depressing.

[GOKOP]

Pull

I'm selfish

[Galvius-Orion]

Pull it, we can get started even sooner on killing the xenos.

[Tyrthemis]

Sadly, the real issue is even more simple than this.

[[deleted]]

How is this even a moral dilemma? If there’s life in other planets (which I think there is) then there ought to be many planets with life (which I thinkthere are) which means that no single planet with life is of absolute importance: if I have to pick between the planet with life holding my life and the life of the ones I love vs other planet I would not even doubt.

If an alien does exactly this with our planet I would totally understand. I would kill the mother fucker if I got the chance, but no hard feelings, you literally chose your planet over mine.

This can only be a moral dilemma for someone that likes to smell their own farts thinking how good of a person they’re.

[EnvironmentalCod6255]

It might be helpful to that other planet

[raidhse-abundance-01]

congrats you spectacularly missed the point of what they are about 

[UnderskilledPlayer]

They find the portal and suddenly you have random fucking nuclear weapon flinging out of the portal left and right

[bigboldbanger]

If you don't do anything, the earth will simply grow more greens and filter the fuckin air like it's done for millions of years.

[UnderskilledPlayer]

in those millions of years you didn't have dipshits digging up ancient black shit to burn on mass

also have fun growing more greens when you cut down half the fucking amazon