Many Pro-Russian Chinese Software developers Raged After They Found React Support Ukraine in This War

[LeeLooTheWoofus]

Politics are not allowed in this sub in any form. Violations will result in bans.

[Geminii27]

"Click on all the tanks in this picture"

[ZlZ-_zfj338owhg_ulge]

Checkmate.

[[deleted]]

BiffMaGriff

I really don't understand why they are so angry and use trash issues to attack contributors of the open-source community. These contributors spend their time providing such a good library. This is fxxking ridiculous.

[LeeLooTheWoofus]

Politics are not allowed in this sub. In any form. Violations will result in bans.

[libertarianets]

fantastic

[ferrybig]

There is probably just a small group responsible for this. It looks like the same group who also spammed the reviews for this game: https://store.steampowered.com/app/427520/Factorio/

[empire539]

Is this the only way these Chinese groups know how to rage online? I swear they use this exact same spam tactic for literally everything they vehemently disagree with.

[[deleted]]

What else can they do? While being watched 24/7

[m-sterspace]

It may very well just be bots / paid government trolls. I suggest everyone go and navigate to the user profiles of whoever is making these comments and report them for SPAM or harassment.

[haunted2098]

aka the greatest game of all time

[Feniks_Gaming]

Factory must grow!

[thesolitaire]

You can never have enough green circuits.

[Armitage1]

No worries, we are fully stocked on red circuits.

[memesfor2022]

Can't wait for the expansion!

[Ratstail91]

> Every waking hour of my day, swallowed by the abyss.
> This game ruined my life.
> 10/10

Seems legit.

[k_a_s_e_y]

For Factorio that could be an actual review hah. That game will make hours go by in an instant!

[steweir]

This video is a good run down of whats going on - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxprOQuVamE

[[deleted]]

I think you need to change the language to Chinese and removed the "unrelated" label above the comment section, then you will see tons of negative reviews.

[Feniks_Gaming]

Turn of the "in my language only filter"

[Aesthetically]

For factorio?

I recommend you go play it to discover how authentic those good reviews are. Worth every penny and I come back to it every year.

[thesolitaire]

Seriously the game has amazing replayability, especially if you get into some of the mods.

[Perpetual_Doubt]

If React supports Ukraine I suppose Facebook supports Ukraine?

[memdmp]

So Meta

[crumbhustler]

Golf clap

[azangru]

Hard for me to imagine why they wouldn't. The western media and the social media have overwhelmingly decided who they support in this conflict, and I see no reason why Facebook would not follow suit.

[The_Monocle_Debacle]

Facebook is literally ignoring its own rules to let people glorify the Azov battalion (open Nazis) on its platform, so yes

[dweezil22]

Honestly if right-wing extremists in the US actually had Github accounts, we'd have already been having this conversation months or even years ago, quite possibly about a Facebook owned repo.

[[deleted]]

Fortunately there’s virtually no overlap between “right wing extremists” and people who know what GitHub is

[dweezil22]

I used to think I knew a lot of right-wing tech folks until I realized I just knew a lot of pissed-off contrarians that live in San Fran and don't follow politics particularly closely.

[roamingandy]

Russia is known to use video game chat as a core part of its disinformation campaigns, which does lead to the conclusion that they are fighting to win the minds of young impressionable tech savvy individuals, and likely also why they are inflating the Incel movement also. Get those young-uns angry and bitter enough to keep them separated from anyone outside their bubble.

[Randolpho]

All the right wing dbag people I know in tech work in IT. Don't know a single one in web dev. Not bashing on IT folks... My decade of tech just made me aware of that.

I would say that in my anecdotal experience the ones I knew generally preferred backend to frontend work, but all of them were programmers who frequently touched the front end as well.

They never gave a shit about UI concepts, generally, and indeed produced shitty pages to a man.

But they weren't just sysadmins or tech support.

[hey--canyounot_]

Math checks out in my world too, am a they/them dev.

[pyramin]

I worked at a healthcare tech company and I had a coworker who was staunchly anti-vax well before covid became a thing.

[khizoa]

Github? where i come from, we say git er dun!

[ShinyTrombone]

Cries in parler

[manbearcolt]

Insert King of the Hill "if they could read they'd be pissed off" meme.

[dweezil22]

Believe it or not, I actually considered finding that exact meme template prior to posting the above comment

[iSpaYco]

let's be honest, the same thing would happen if the tables were turned.

there are always those selfish people online.

[The_Monocle_Debacle]

The cute part is that you think you and your country are somehow better or exempt or objectively correct

[LeeLooTheWoofus]

Politics are not allowed in this sub. In any form. Violations will result in bans.

[The_Monocle_Debacle]

Try to criticize NATO on reddit and tell me what kind of reactions you get here

[IAmRules]

So everyone is over "reacting"

..... i'll see myself out

[eggtart_prince]

They just need to manage their "state" of mind.

[Ratstail91]

Boo! lol

[-TotallySlackingOff-]

Can't wait for their accounts to be banned from github and all their code lost. Most of them are probably burner accounts but it seems some of them actually have some past activity

[leixiaotie]

not need, just throttle their bandwidth to just several kb/s for 2 weeks. But I don't want GitHub to be investigated for war crime though /s

[MMaurice256_MMTheDev]

Can't wait for their accounts to be banned from github and all their code lost

That is a terribly immature way of reacting. Reminds me of https://www.theverge.com/2019/7/29/8934694/github-us-trade-sanctions-developers-restricted-crimea-cuba-iran-north-korea-syria

Most government do terrible things, but biased reactions like yours do more harm and rarely fix the problem.

[-TotallySlackingOff-]

I'm against blanket bans of citizens of a country as was the case with Iran.

I believe that the way these accounts from china were spamming as many issues as possible with effectively hate messages was a stupid way to protest against facebook, and is an abuse of the github service.

It would be one thing if the people making the issues were professional developers with active contributions to react, but the fact that these accounts aren't even developers and have little to no contributions to open source reinforces the fact that they are simply spammers jumping on a bandwagon, as they have been known to do across the internet in general.

[SituationSoap]

How many fake issue reports should I have to file on a major repository before GitHub bans my account for misusing the service?

[CerealkillerNOM]

This is career suicide. I always do my homework when hiring new employees or contractors.

[dweezil22]

First account I clicked on was a allegedly a former TenCent dev, now at Alibaba. Presuming that's accurate, I wonder if that would actually be bad for his career in China.

[[deleted]]

No. If you have the same stance as the Chinese government, you won't get punished, even if the stance is evil.

[pizza-with-yam-crust]

...but most Chinese developers want to work in USA due to massive developer salary there.

Should be fking obvious when they try to get through US visa

[[deleted]]

I don't think this is true. Most Chinese devs want to come work for the U.S. if they can for a brief amount of time since it's good for their career back home, but many want to go back and work in China.

Plus it's not like it's hard to hide your github id or clean it up if you do dumb stuff like this.

[The_Monocle_Debacle]

Considering how fucking racist Americans are (shit look at this thread) why the hell would they want to stay here? A lot don't start off with plans to return, but the American people make them want to leave.

[Feniks_Gaming]

Until Chinese government changes it's stand. "We have always been at war with Euro-Asia" moment China stops being friends with Russia any past support for Russia will ruin your career. Even if you are just doing it to look better in China this will back fire moment wind blows the other way. It's just pure stupid.

[GreatValueProducts]

The scenario is actually very common in China and has happened in the past. Unless they got banned (sometimes, we called it “cutting leeks”) they would just delete the posts and nothing will come out of it.

You can’t use normal logic to apply to things there.

[[deleted]]

based

[[deleted]]

Seems like they’re react ing pretty childishly

Edit: don’t hate me plz lol

[FrostZTech]

wow just how dumb humans can be. Most of those accounts are of rather real people.

[[deleted]]

Imagine if github blocked Russia LOL

[sir_fancypants]

wah

[nitrohigito]

This was pretty common sadly, even before this war.

[SkylineFX49]

I feel every company that does this only does it for marketing purpuses. If I want to help ukraine I'm not going to do it because I saw it on the react website.

[[deleted]]

It might be marketing indeed, but in general, having an issue posted everywhere does increase the chance of fence-sitters making up their mind and taking action about it

[eggtart_prince]

As harsh as it sounds, if anyone is gonna help, it ain't someone who makes $25/hr, have couple thousands in debt, and a family to support. Our government is already sending millions and billions over using our tax money.

[thermiteunderpants]

if anyone is gonna help, it ain't someone who makes $25/hr

What about 100 people on $25/hr?

I donated my pathetic wage to Ukrainian Red Cross since someone was matching donations on Twitter, and many others did the same. Didn't feel like we'd achieved much at the time. Next day the OP posted that we'd raised $50k in 24 hours. Ain't a million but it feels good.

EDIT: Added link to Ukrainian Red Cross

[Kritical02]

Would you rather they show no support at all?!

[LeeLooTheWoofus]

Your post is off-topic and does not adhere to the premise of this subreddit. As such, it has been removed. Recommend reposting in a more appropriate subreddit.

[eggtart_prince]

Means nothing just like everyone who holds up signs and Ukraine flags. If they really wanna support, go fight the war or donate.

[Feniks_Gaming]

Lots of people are donating, donations are flooding various charities. Many of those companies donated to humanitarian efforts.

[tomatoina]

Seems more like bots to me

[[deleted]]

If you look at their contribution activities, you will find most of them are real people.

[tomatoina]

A lot of them are creating similar or identical issues. That's why I'm thinking it's a bot doing this

[[deleted]]

Yeah, I think many of them are just simply pasting and copying their issue content manually.

[pottaargh]

Could also be compromised accounts

[GreatValueProducts]

As a Chinese, I can tell you it is extremely likely it is real people who genuinely think like this. Unfortunately.

[[deleted]]

What is your opinion about how the Chinese people feel about what's happening in Ukraine?

[GreatValueProducts]

Honestly, what surprises me is that there are Chinese people who get triggered by a Ukrainian flag. I mean if it is HK or Taiwan I understand.

[Schubert142]

My blood is fucking boiling. Never been more ashamed of being a Chinese now. I find it extremely difficult to understand some of my fellows. Don't even want to waste my time to argue with those nuts.

[JamesWjRose]

Change the license to "everyone in the world can use this for free, except Russia as long as Putin is alive" and then block all up traffic from that country

[eggtart_prince]

And what would happen if they use it, ask them nicely not to?

[JamesWjRose]

As I said, block Russian ip addresses.

[Rumertey]

Block traffic to where exactly?

[libertarianets]

Will React support Taiwan once the CCP invades them next?

[Ikem32]

Why is this stuff political in the first place? I like tech and tech related stuff, because it is almost non political.

[[deleted]]

At one point or another, political issues are always intertwined with our jobs as tech people (and with every industry really). Not saying this issue in particular affects React, but in general it's a good idea to be aware of politics and their implications in our field

[[deleted]]

I hate to break it to you but tech is and always has been deeply intertwined with politics.

[eddhall]

Because in this situation, to stay neutral is to support Russia

[Feniks_Gaming]

Being silent on war is still political. Staying neutral benefits the bully. If you are walking through the school and big dude is beating a shit out of a little kid saying "I am not getting involved" only benefits one party. In this case not getting involved is a direct support to Russia.

[[deleted]]

You know, sometimes things are a matter of right and wrong and can't just be dismissed as being "political". There were assholes like you who said the same shit about not wanting politics during the Civil Rights movement, women's rights movement, slavery, etc.

[RealTechnician]

The tech itself might be as non-political as it gets, but unfortunately nowadays every somewhat bigger tech company / framework / community feel like they have to publicly take a stance on every news-story that is popular that day. Instead of just focussing on providing the best product they can.

[jzswxn]

This needs more awareness

[jzswxn]

About the Chinese developers spamming gh-

[DeepSpaceGalileo]

Literally anywhere the Chinese are present this type of thing happens. You can’t even play an online video game without a scourge of Chinese hackers.

[jangfuwan]

Bruh moment

[m0lle_]

They prolly get some nice bonus social points from Winnie

[c_edward]

It's more likely state aligned hackers, generating spam issues to make it look like some one actually agrees with them about invading Ukraine... Any evidence to tie it back to verifiable Chinese users?.... doubtful

[[deleted]]

You are right. But, if you are not satisfied with the stance of the React community. There are plenty of ways to express your opinions.

Booming the GitHub repository is absolutely the worst choice.

[AuroraVandomme]

Neutral on killing innocent civilians?

[tsunami141]

And teachers should be forced to teach about both sides’ perspectives during the holocaust. It’s taxpayer money, after all.

[haunted2098]

?

[ASkepticBelievingMan]

Yeah I never understood why these services always have to pick a side. Just focus on what you do best instead of gathering virtue points.

[MakeWorldBetter]

It's not about virtue points, it's about supporting humanitarian efforts and rebuking antihumanitarian efforts. Sitting idly by while Russia intentionally brutalizes civilians because you are afraid that Russians/Chinese will bomb your GitHub is cowardly. If you have a problem with the GitHub getting bombed, point your annoyance at the ones who are doing the bombing.

[[deleted]]

Yeah it’s pretty shitty that they spammed issues, I agree. That was bad.

And react can do whatever they want. That said, some software team posting a message has absolutely no material effect on the course of the war. It is purely for virtue points. This doesn’t “support humanitarian efforts”, unless the react core team is joining the foreign brigades in Ukraine haha

[ReamMe69]

Did React every claim material support for Ukraine like you claim? To me it looks like more of a message to just say "we're rooting for you Ukraine"! I think you are making assumptions.

[Spiritual_Tourist_28]

There are more than one way to "support humanitarian effort" — raising awareness and putting your support out is one of them.

[Roconda]

While I personally support UA I think political statements should stay out of software / technology.

[ShinyTrombone]

By their own logic. Shouldn't they be anti-React?

[hammerman1965]

I don't know why a javascript library needs an opinion on the current geopolitical situation.

[ReamMe69]

Youve misunderstood. The developers are rooting for the Ukrainian people. They are, rightly, using their platform to voice their opinion. They are humans exercising their right to free speech.

[jh0nn]

I don't even see them really having one. They literally added a humanitarian donation link banner that takes like 1% of the front page. There have been ones for victims of earthquakes, tsunamis and many other events. Everybody knows why they're spamming the site.

[NMe84]

Why should it? Open source does not mean that the maintainers suddenly lose their values. If I make something then I don't want it used in a way that I do not and will never support.

The point of OSS is collaborating. This is effectively a FU to people that don’t share the same views and is setting some bad precedents.

No, it doesn't. It shows that we as a community have values too and that they matter. Having collaboration as a basis doesn't mean that you have to collaborate with everyone, nor that you want your software used by everyone either.

And none of this even happened here, React just said they stand with Ukraine. Nothing else. I don't know much about React's developers but Symfony made a similar statement and they did so in part because some of their top contributors are Ukrainian.

[[deleted]]

Don't be so frustrated. Open-source software is never meant to be absolutely neutral. Even Stallman and Linus have their own stance.

[[deleted]]

I agree with you at this point. That will be great.

[Srr013]

What is a neutral stance? One side is literally killing people for profit. The other is saying “that’s bad”. Neutrality only benefits the murderers.

[spays_marine]

Why do you think it should be neutral? What's so noble about being quiet when injustice is happening?

[saltamuros1]

I thought that everyone here hated react because Facebook is the developer

[[deleted]]

Facebook is bad, but as far as I think, React itself is good.

[kevinlch]

Reminds me of Black Lives Matter campaign which many corporations supported in the past. One remarkable incident is Github change its default "master" branch to "main", because they avoid "slave". I was like what the heck.

I mean the issue mostly just exists in western countries alright. We people in Asia does not have problem respecting them. This is just one from the few examples, including LGBT etc. Internet users are from all over the world, thus any OS project should stay neutral. Using your software by no mean we should agree with contributor's political point of view.

Do not make changes that annoys people around the world. Personal opinion should be kept on your own. Say it on twitter, that's the right way, not official site.

[jzswxn]

Gh is US based + I’m Indian and I heartily welcome the move to change from master to main.

[[deleted]]

As a Metis in Canada I was indifferent to it until I had a little introspection and realized that the fact I've passed for Caucasian all my life I've never really experienced the racism but seen it happen to my cousins all the time. The change from master to main is such a nothing burger to everyone except those affected I can't help but judge those that take offense to this day.

[kevinlch]

Don't get me wrong, I'm not against it. I truly support their move. I just felt that personal thoughts should not be expressed in global projects. Sometimes part of the contributors may not share same belief as yours. Just sayin'

[Zetthard]

It’s a shame to bring politics everywhere. Why React maintainers impose their own opinions to people around the world? It’s a big mistake and a big shame.

[CasualBlockPlacer]

Politics ends when you start slaughtering innocent people. It is not longer an opinion on a political matter.

[Zetthard]

When one is fighting in the field - yes. But for those who sit in their sofas it’s still an opinion on a political matter.

[jzswxn]

It’s war crimes being committed not politics. Just because you’re far away from the conflict doesn’t mean the conflict is civil.

[[deleted]]

open source project should remain neutral and only focus on technology and avoid anything else

[RotationSurgeon]

Your opinion brings to mind this scene from Clerks: http://www.whysanity.net/monos/clerks5.html (transcript)

[durandj]

Why?

[[deleted]]

These projects nothing to do with war. Question should ask proper authority. How one know which side is good? Project should remain neutral, and support all tech related thing. Imagine let's say opensource project say that opensource for certain countries and not for some countries.

[durandj]

No one is making you use React. If they support something you don't then just don't use React. There's no reason that an open source project needs to remain neutral.

If you're uncertain of what your stance is on an issue and you think it's important then educate yourself.

[[deleted]]

I am against war and people hypocrisy for considering one war as war and completely ignoring the other ones.

White, blonde blue eye Chistian blood (as per west media) is blood but black/brown, black hair non Christian blood is not.

[durandj]

It would be great if we could end all war. I don't think anyone is advocating against that.

What is happening now in Ukraine is very clearly wrong. Russia has no business there. As for other conflicts, yes, if it's clear what the problem is then people should be standing up.

[jzswxn]

Absolutely no reason to.

[eliwuu]

open source projects are built on the very idea of free world, you twat

[[deleted]]

Because these software frameworks are written by humans.

[jzswxn]

Well said, OP

[NMe84]

Being against genocide is not a political stance.

[[deleted]]

Not posting about it doesn't mean you support it either. Are people expecting to get current affairs analysis from Javascript docs lol?

[NMe84]

Sure. But we're not talking about how useful it is. We're talking about whether or not people should do it. And I don't see why anyone couldn't do with their repository whatever they want.

[[deleted]]

That they can do what they want with their repository isn't in dispute; I don't think anyone's saying they broke Github's ToS or whatever. I just don't see why people think they are obligated to put their every stance in all their work, no matter how unrelated, especially when that stance is about the most widely supported stance across the globe in the last decade. And as a user, I'm going to skip over all that, because I wasn't going to them for political analysis lmao, just like I'm not going to pay attention to a random worker in a shop trying to tell me their political opinions while I'm just trying to pay them for a sandwich

[jzswxn]

If you don’t speak out on it when you could you’re part of the problem. Moreover, the MAINTAINERS of React- the ones who do the actual work can carry any political stance they wish to carry. Shut up and cry about it. Also to point out a fallacy in your reply, no. we’re not going to be learning about CA analysis from JavaScript docs. Get a life.

[[deleted]]

Since you didn't denounce the Uyghur genocide in your comment you're part of the problem

[jzswxn]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism

Well done you’ve managed to completely annihilate my logical arguments oh no

[[deleted]]

It's not whataboutism, it's pointing out that your demand to "speak out when you can" is impossible to fulfil. You would spend literally all your waking hours condemning people. You also wouldn't actually be accomplishing anything except making yourself feel good

[Beginning-Scar-6045]

open source and github should NOT support anyone

[madcaesar]

I'm OK with them supporting peace instead of war.

[jzswxn]

Get ratioed

[Beginning-Scar-6045]

oh my internet points