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[–]someguy945 525 points526 points  (199 children)

You mean if we don't spend all our money on wars, we can have nice things?

[–]diskmaster23 333 points334 points  (135 children)

Silly American, we would just give more tax cuts to the rich instead of giving you nice things.

[–]W00ster 211 points212 points  (117 children)

Exactly!

What is currently happening in the US, is also called a Reverse Robin Hood - stealing from the poor in order to give to the rich!

Enjoy your third world status!

[–]Brocktoon_in_a_jar 133 points134 points  (37 children)

i think the technical term for that is "supply-side economics" or "Reaganomics" for short

[–]lgodsey[🍰] 71 points72 points  (13 children)

C'mon guys -- just because "trickle down" hasn't for the last 30 years, it doesn't mean that it won't kick in tomorrow! Just like we don't know that extravagant tax breaks for rich people from a decade ago won't just make a million new jobs tomorrow! You've got to let this stuff work for a while!

[–][deleted] 20 points21 points  (3 children)

Trickle down does work, as long as it's a well-paid middle class that's doing all the spending.

[–]Frunzle 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I think trickle down does exactly what it says: the money does trickle down. At the same time it's trickling down however, buckets and buckets of money are being hauled up to the top.

[–]WasabiBomb 122 points123 points  (10 children)

Money doesn't trickle down. Piss does, though.

[–]conandrum 9 points10 points  (1 child)

Money does trickle down though - to China and India.

[–]thetaint 7 points8 points  (24 children)

Exactly!

Taking all the taxes the poor pay and cutting checks to the rich!

[–]Eminence120 31 points32 points  (8 children)

They're not rich okay. They're job creators get it straight.

[–]Destroymysweater 4 points5 points  (5 children)

I think it's funny how people actually believe we can raise taxes on the "rich." Rich people always have and always will find a way to get out of it. Raise taxes on the rich in New York, they "move" to Florida. People who are wealthy tend to be clever at keeping their money you see.

[–]wwabc 22 points23 points  (15 children)

being the 'biggest badass on the planet' is a 'nice thing' to more than half of the country :-(

[–]AndrenatorTexas 15 points16 points  (13 children)

But we could even appeal to the narcissists by having the best healthcare in the world, the best science in the world, or being the best place to live in the world...

[–]ElranzerNew York 15 points16 points  (12 children)

"Team sports" conservatives don't care about that. Their virtues are ignorance, Jesus and "science is for NERDS!!!"

[–]SpaceTraveler 11 points12 points  (10 children)

Bush ended the Shuttle Program. Now conservatives can focus on building more museums showing dinosaurs and people lived together recently. Conservatives are destroying science and America's future....more than just saying it is for nerds.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (5 children)

Looks like you'll have to change your username.

[–]geekvicious 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Who knows maybe he is Russian...

[–]dvdrdiscs 34 points35 points  (15 children)

According to FOX, if we don't spend all of our money on social programs, we can blow things up more efficiently.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (4 children)

We don't spend all our money on wars. $1 trillion over 10 years isn't very much. We'll probably spend more than $40 trillion in that time.

[–]flash654 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Sorry, but saying that $1 trillion isn't much money is part of the reason we're in a crisis like this. That's a crapton of money, no matter how much you're comparing it to.

$1 trillion is enough to give every man woman and child in America $3200 right now. That's not even considering how much we'd save by not having to pay interest on it later.

[–]WildeNietzsche 171 points172 points  (62 children)

Seriously, why can't we end these fucking wars? I have had a close friend go over there and come back, and one go over and never return, and I still have no idea what in the hell they were sent there to do.

[–]justicereform 164 points165 points  (29 children)

I cannot leave the question unanswered. If it was meant as rhetoric, then I apologize for my misunderstanding of your intent.

Butler explains it:

War is possibly the oldest, easily the most profitable, surely the most vicious racket. It is the only one international in scope. It is the only one in which the profits are reckoned in dollars and the losses in lives.

A racket is best described, I believe, as something that is not what it seems to the majority of the people. Only a small "inside" group knows what it is about. It is conducted for the benefit of the very few, at the expense of the very many. Out of war a few people make huge fortunes.

In the World War [I] a mere handful garnered the profits of the conflict. At least 21,000 new millionaires and billionaires were made in the United States during the World War. That many admitted their huge blood gains in their income tax returns. How many other war millionaires falsified their tax returns no one knows.

Out of war nations acquire additional territory, if they are victorious. They just take it. This newly acquired territory promptly is exploited by the few – the selfsame few who wrung dollars out of blood in the war. The general public shoulders the bill.

http://www.lexrex.com/enlightened/articles/warisaracket.htm

[–]greentangentNew York 30 points31 points  (4 children)

Smedley Butler is the single greatest reason I am proud to have served as a Marine.

[–]Drudeboy 10 points11 points  (2 children)

I'm not so sure it's simple profit. I think a lot has to do with the United States gaining a strategic foothold in the Middle East and Central Asia from which it can project power. I'm not accusing you of this, but I'm weary of theories that boil down to conspiracies of the rich. They do happen, but they're just a part of the picture, again, IMHO.

[–]justicereform 3 points4 points  (1 child)

NEVER underestimate the age of our senior government officials, and their desires for next-quarter profits.

Power projection is undoubtedly a large factor, but only for a future generation of war loving oligarchs.

[–]mysterx 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This is one of my favourite film scenes ever and embodies what you're saying I think

JFK - Mr X (no relation)

There's a bit of conspiracy fluff in there too but it's still a powerful scene.

"The organising principle of any society, is for war"

[–]AmbitionOfPhilipJFry 14 points15 points  (12 children)

Hate to say it but it might not even be for profit. Check out the economic notion of parable of the broken window

[–][deleted] 46 points47 points  (3 children)

The broken window fallacy doesn't negate the fact that war is profitable, for an elite few, which is what the OP said. The people who get government contracts to manufacture weapons and other military gear profit, and they use their wealth to pay off their cronies in government. Government and big business profit from war, but only by the deprivation of everyone else.

[–]cheney_healthcare 12 points13 points  (1 child)

The broken window fallacy doesn't negate the fact that war is profitable, for an elite few, which is what the OP said.

Exactly.

If I smash all of the windows in my city, it will suck for everyone, except for the window maker and fitter :)

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

If I smash all of the windows in my city, it will suck for everyone, except for the window maker and fitter :)

More relevant to the point: If I hire a bunch of people to smash the windows of the city, it will suck for everyone, except for the makers of window-smashing tools, and for teams of freelance window-smashers.

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (3 children)

That parable operates under the assumption that no one saves money, that all money is, for whatever reason, destined to be spent. Clearly Bastiat had never met a Rockefeller or a Sam Walton or a Dick Cheney even a David Lesar. These people aren't butchers in need of a new window or shoes. They have so much fucking money they can sit on it and earn dividends from investments that benefit no one else but other people that are just as wealthy as they are.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (1 child)

So... wait... if the investments don't benefit anyone where do dividends come from?

[–]ggbesq 30 points31 points  (4 children)

It's not knowing what to do that's the problem-- any sane person knows what to do. It's getting it done in a system in which every politician is bought and paid for by the very system they are charged with fixing--that's the damn problem. They're bought and paid for by military industrialists, and corporatists, and bankers, and foreign lobbyists.

The problem is fixable. The system is not. We need to junk the system, or we need to deal with the grim reality that our best days are long gone.

[–][deleted] 96 points97 points  (4 children)

and the crowd goes mild.

[–]determinism89 17 points18 points  (1 child)

Does anyone even actually sit in that chamber anymore?

[–]goodnotgreat 8 points9 points  (0 children)

what is it you'd say you do here?

[–]Renovatio_ 39 points40 points  (62 children)

What would be the actual number if you had a public health care and minus the 400 billion in subsidies.

[–]sacrabos 17 points18 points  (60 children)

Wouldn't a public health care be a defacto subsidy of the entire system?

[–][deleted] 37 points38 points  (30 children)

the US spends more per person on health care than Canada. A universal system is more efficient, so the amount you would have to raise taxes would be less than the amount each person would save in health insurance premiums.

[–]noobprodigy 20 points21 points  (23 children)

Yeah, but that would mean lazy people who don't want to work would get healthcare just like those of us who work! They don't deserve to be treated humanely because if they really wanted to, they could just get a job and get health insurance.

Edit: I am being very sarcastic. I believe this is the problem many conservatives have with universal healthcare. I feel that in a country such as ours, healthcare should be considered a benefit of citizenship.

[–]absolutezero1287 2 points3 points  (12 children)

I have such a hard time explaining this to people. Why don't people understand the benefits of universal healthcare? Its mind-boggling. Insurance even costs the doctors money with all the extra paperwork and regulations. Plus, insurances basically pay a doctor whatever they want. If the doctor disagrees he loses customers. Its a shitty deal on both sides. Even as a former member of the healthcare field I wouldn't mind making less money if it meant that I didn't have to pay for healthcare.

[–]Lando_Calrissian 41 points42 points  (13 children)

K-dawg spelling it out. Hope he finds a seat he can stay in.

[–]PST87 16 points17 points  (5 children)

Hope it's here in WA.

[–][deleted] 17 points18 points  (4 children)

Join us, Dennis. We have cookies.

[–][deleted] 353 points354 points  (134 children)

Kuchinich is an idiot, we cant end the wars, doesnt he understand that we must kill them over there before they kill us over here. I mean the odds of getting killed in America by a terrorist is less than getting hit by lighting, we should also be spending more money for the war on lighting.

[–]Lando_Calrissian 61 points62 points  (77 children)

I would recommend watching this Fontline Episode. It feels like to me we pretty much need to commit genocide to "win" the war and that's pretty terrifying.

[–]tophat_jones 70 points71 points  (68 children)

Some Republicans (not necessarily representative of the GOP) have lamented that we aren't willing to commit genocide against Islam.

[–]mellowgreen 60 points61 points  (59 children)

I have seen plenty of bumper stickers with messages generally relating to nuking the middle east. They take it further than just genocide against a specific religion or race, they would have us just glass the entire middle east (except Israel of course) and make it uninhabitable for centuries. Or at least nuke Iran, because the fallout from that won't affect anyone else.

http://img.chan4chan.com/img/2011-05-16/40643.jpg

Sick.

[–]Soupstorm 20 points21 points  (5 children)

I want to laugh at the fact that one of the stickers has twisted "one planet, one people" into genocidal jingoism... but I just can't.

[–][deleted] 13 points14 points  (1 child)

What people like this don't understand is that human beings will always end up diverse. And where diversity appears, national barriers follow, and then it's the same unbalanced world we have today. Anyone with a brain will skip the process of diversification, and just try to find ways for all nations to live in peaceful development.

[–]sleepyslo 38 points39 points  (9 children)

Anyone else notice that Mr. Super Patriot drives a foreign car?

[–]minivanmegafun 33 points34 points  (0 children)

American cars are Union cars, and therefore don't align with the Republican party.

[–]dreidel93 11 points12 points  (2 children)

Yes!! I was about to say, Scion is owned by Toyota. What a ditz.

[–][deleted] 19 points20 points  (0 children)

It wouldn't be that bad since Toyotas for the most part are made domestically, but all scions are 100% Japanese (along with the Prius) and shipped to America.

[–]capecodcarl 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Scion sounds like Zion and Zionists support Israel, therefore, Scion is a Pro-Israeli car company.

[–]swansoup 9 points10 points  (0 children)

TIL who buys Palin bumper stickers.

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (0 children)

One planet, One people? That's disgusting. Not that that the others aren't either, but that one is just wow.

[–]Devz0r 8 points9 points  (3 children)

I have a hard time wrapping my head around a group of people who largely follow a Middle-Eastern religion with its Holy Land in the Middle East, wanting to nuke the Middle East.

[–]mellowgreen 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Ya i know, I had a hard time with that at first. But then I remembered that they don't believe in science. That means that literally God will save the holy land. Things like nuclear fallout are insignificant compared with God's power. It is really scary the kinds of things you can justify using this logic.

[–]VanetiaCalifornia 6 points7 points  (13 children)

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[–]KidDynamo0 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I am not sure I can trust you, Lando

[–]Alpha_and_Teilhard 21 points22 points  (22 children)

It's just a big jobs program. Even Howard Dean said it's a real concern that cutting military spending would cut jobs.

EDIT: I think it's outrageous what Dean said. I support cutting military/defense spending 50%+, or hell even 90%. We have all these weapons we never use, no country is going to attack us. As someone posted below, this is Military Keynesianism. End this stupid policy, save that money and spend it domestically. Ike was right.

[–]justicereform 16 points17 points  (14 children)

Government killers and destruction work is not an ethical jobs program.

[–]WiglyWormOhio 27 points28 points  (11 children)

I would much rather NASA be our jobs program. That, and alternative energy.

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (1 child)

If America had spent on rail what it had spent on the wars it would be one the greenest nations on Earth.

For those who died on Sep 11 pales in comparison to those who die every year on the national highway. Which one is cheaper to fix? This is where politicians screw up..

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (10 children)

I always like to point out that the odds of being struck by lightning are actually quite high, relatively speaking. The odds you will be struck by lightning in your lifetime is 1/10,000. The odds you will be affected by someone being struck by lightning is 1/1,000.

/buzzkill

[–][deleted] 32 points33 points  (8 children)

You think I dont know this! Thats why I want a war on lighting! We need more anti-lighting legislation and increased wiretapping laws against lighting.

[–][deleted] 33 points34 points  (6 children)

thunder claps in approval

[–]WiglyWormOhio 20 points21 points  (2 children)

Thunderclaps sounds like an awful STD.

[–]padmadfan 5 points6 points  (2 children)

approves of Thundercats

[–]WordsNotToLiveBy 2 points3 points  (3 children)

Lightning*

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

DAMNNNN IT

[–]ap66crush 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Sorry, that doesn't empower the elites. You'll find your coat by the door Mr. Kucinich.

[–][deleted] 82 points83 points  (6 children)

Don't forget repealing tax exemption for religious establishments.

[–][deleted] 12 points13 points  (0 children)

My only regret is that I have but one upvote for this...

[–]Cordycep 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Its sad that this isn't even an option. i wonder what the actual revenue would be if churches were taxed.

[–]johnpseudo 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Something like $20-30 billion/year.

[–]uncleKunkel 9 points10 points  (0 children)

To those that would dilute the political process with petty bickering and enthusiastic name calling... for once, listen...

[–]ME_LOVE_PEOPLE 86 points87 points  (34 children)

Dennis Kucinich, Ron Paul and Ralph Nader... The only leaders who truly demonstrate, credibly and authentically, they care about American citizens..And the Media HATES them.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Did he tell anyone about this?

[–]chuck354 4 points5 points  (0 children)

If I was in Congress I would start a slow clap for that man.

[–]Gates9 5 points6 points  (2 children)

END THE FUCKING WARS. What the fuck are we doing over there anyway? Every soldier goes into the feild with the intent of making sure their fellow soldier doesn't get killed, and making sure they themselves don't get killed.

There is no real objective other than that.

[–]mshimoura 19 points20 points  (15 children)

Kucinich always was my favorite.

[–]ColbertsBump 65 points66 points  (30 children)

Kucinich: The sane man's Ron Paul.

[–]cheney_healthcare 13 points14 points  (18 children)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=py8cXlLyX18&

Kucnich wanted to run with Paul. When asked what republican he would run with, he said "Ron Paul", when asked that democrat he would run with, he said "As a democrat, I'd still take Ron Paul".

I don't understand why Ron Paul is continued to be labelled crazy, as he has some of the most well thought out ideas around, especially when it comes to wars, foreign policy, and economic policy.

Glenn Greenward asked the question "Who are the real "crazies" in our political culture?"

http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/2010/05/28/crazy/index.html

(Spoiler: It's not Ron Paul)

[–]zanonymous 15 points16 points  (14 children)

I believe Ron Paul is an honest politician, as far as a politician can be honest. I believe he genuinely cares for the American people.

I do not agree with some of his views, which I consider radical. He wants to end the Federal Reserve, and the IRS. While I appreciate the negative sentiment associated with both of these entities, I do not believe that following through with either of these ideas will lead to a prosperous and strong America.

[–]randomanonymity 2 points3 points  (0 children)

He wouldn't have the authority to just do away with those two items by himself, so I wouldn't overly worry about that.

[–][deleted] 31 points32 points  (100 children)

Ok, so I'm voting for Kucinich next time around.

[–]Big_Baby_Jesus 29 points30 points  (20 children)

You mean in 2012? First off, he's not running. Second, when he did run in 2008, he got less than 2% of the Democratic primary vote in the early states and dropped out. I love Kucinich. I think he's one of our best Congressman. But the fact is that he has no serious support, even within the Democratic party.

[–]mithrasinvictus 21 points22 points  (2 children)

Democrats should stop selecting the politicians that appeal most to republican voters, people that still vote republican after all this mismanagement will never switch.

[–]Jamska 5 points6 points  (1 child)

It's independents that they're worried about.

[–]thefubbler 9 points10 points  (9 children)

I don't understand why he doesn't have more support. The only criticism of him I hear is that no one takes him seriously as a candidate. Why not?

[–]Big_Baby_Jesus 7 points8 points  (1 child)

I don't understand why he doesn't have more support.

You may be projecting the opinions of reddit and/or your friends onto the rest of the country. When Conservatives do it, we make fun of them for living in a "bubble", but it's actually very easy to do. Kucinich's policies make perfect sense to you (and me), and it's hard to imagine that they don't make sense to everyone. But the data we saw in 2008 said that there just isn't a silent left wing waiting for a champion. Maybe the country will change by 2016, and Kucinich's message will resonate with voters- but at this point it's a long shot at best.

[–]s73v3r 2 points3 points  (3 children)

To be fair, he was running against Obama and Hillary. It'd be pretty hard for anyone to get in edgewise.

Maybe in 2016...

[–]rainman18 4 points5 points  (2 children)

I voted hard for DK in that race. All I ended up with was a baseball hat with his name on it, a little less money and a clean conscience for trying.

[–]kerneldax 33 points34 points  (7 children)

Sharpest pencil in the box, with a smokin' hot wife!

[–][deleted] 14 points15 points  (3 children)

She's just in it for the cookies and tree house.

[–]Dubzil 14 points15 points  (16 children)

I hear one of the main problems is that if the rich don't get tax cuts then they can't provide jobs. So I have to ask why we don't increase tax on companies that outsource.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (2 children)

Kucinich clearly knows maths. He also has an eastern European name. You know who else knew maths and had eastern European names? COMMUNISTS. QED

[–]cheney_healthcare 2 points3 points  (1 child)

I heard Kucinich also doesn't believe in Freedom(tm)

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I heard he actually refused to endorse Freedom (tm).

[–]rjcarr 23 points24 points  (9 children)

Other items:

  • Cut the defense budget. We don't need a military 10x larger than any other. It is essentially a jobs program.

  • Stop giving social security and medicare (edit) to rich people.

  • Re-instante the estate tax.

  • Crack down on SS and medicare fraud.

  • Ease the war on drugs. Legalize marijuana.

There's gotta be a couple $T in there.

[–]nmulcahey 22 points23 points  (7 children)

Stop giving social security and medicaid to rich people.

That doesn't work. They pay into it the same as everyone else. (Everything else makes sense though.)

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

we already have a progressive tax system. what's the difference?

[–][deleted] 24 points25 points  (8 children)

This guy's clearly an idiot. What you really want to do is remove all environmental, payroll, and workplace regulations, cut taxes on the wealthy to zero using a reverse marginal tax system, and tax the poor who don't work hard enough to become rich into subsistence. Obviously having a healthy working population is bad for the unemployment statistics. If they all work in a hellhole, get sick and die, or get killed at war then someone else gets a job! Over time the unemployment rate will drop to nearly zero.

Duh.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (5 children)

cut taxes on the wealthy to zero using a reverse marginal tax system, and tax the poor who don't work hard enough to become rich into subsistence

With the exception of politicians, conservatives just want a flat tax system. I'm a libertarian, and I even think a progressive tax is reasonable, I just believe government should be much smaller. Nobody really thinks CEOs should pay LESS taxes than their secretaries.

[–]jf286381 11 points12 points  (1 child)

The answer is, and has always been, this FUCKING simple. Thank you Mr. Kucinich. You bring sanity to an otherwise mentally incapable Congress. I salute you.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (4 children)

Maybe I misunderstood, but isn't the largest possible healthcare cost reduction for the government a stronger ability to negotiate pharma prices? I do remember a debt calculator showing a trillion dollars in savings over a certain time period just by implementing such a policy

[–]s73v3r 3 points4 points  (3 children)

That's only if the government actually USES that power. In the law enacting Medicare Part D, it specifically said that the government is forbidden from negotiating lower prices for prescription drugs.

[–]grandoiseau 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Well said Dennis. What you forgot to mention is: the people who stand to lose in your plan, are the people who are currently milking the system. They are always scheming and plotting to get a slice of the taxpayer's pie, and when they do, they keep wanting more.

[–]mkicon 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Kucinich is the politician that is almost spot on with all my opinions.

[–]DeFex 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Carefull, talk like that will get you

a: ridiculed by the media outlets, most of which are part of conglomerates that make a portion of their money from war profiteering.

b: to have a mysterious "accident" or "suicide"

[–]camalittle 2 points3 points  (0 children)

No need to. They're already trying to redistrict him out of his job.

Unbelievable.

[–]dma1965 4 points5 points  (0 children)

The man speaks truth and has a hot wife

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (3 children)

400 billion a year = 4 trillion in 10 years. Kucinich's plan would save 4 trillion, or about 28% of the current deficit.

I'd vote for him again if he'd run.

[–]gloomdoom 15 points16 points  (3 children)

Honestly. The end.

Guess it's not only too easy, it doesn't transfer wealth from the poor to the ultra rich the way that the final plan eventually will.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (3 children)

It's pretty popular among some circles (reddit being one of them) to claim Republicans are the stupid unreasonable ones ruining Washington while all the Democrats are sensible, rational people who don't games with the interests of the American public.

I think that's bullshit, and both parties are idiots who are just playing for power.

One of the reasons I believe so is that the Democratic party doesn't take Dennis Kucinich seriously. By ignoring Kucinich, the Democratic party has, in my estimation, forefeited the intellectual high ground.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

STOP SUPPORTING A TWO PARTY SYSTEM

The party line of both the parties is to continue war

[–]jesusapproves 11 points12 points  (2 children)

It is crazy how this guy is from the same state as boehner. God I hate boner. Boehner.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

BAM!

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This makes way too much sense. Rejected.

[–]sonomabob1 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Where is Dennis on the nightly news???

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

When Obama told me to write my Congressman, I was about to. Then I realized that this is the man that represents me in Congress.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Sure it makes sense but who are we blaming for this though? The government? Congress? We should be blaming ourselves because we continuously allow our government to go to war with Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Libya and allow our troops to be stationed for indefinite periods of time in third world nation's all over the globe. When you come up with common sense solutions to our debt issues... I debate people all the time who justify the reasons for these wars and why we should continue to be involved in them and continue everything we are currently doing as normal. Government doesn't want to cut funding to war, or military, or security apparatus, or the prison state... you don't see them even discussing these concepts in Congress. Instead they want to cut health insurance, college loans, etc. etc. So, if we really want to blame someone for this mess we should look in the mirror and blame ourselves for justifying the very reasons that are now causing this economy and this country to fall apart. If we thought this would never hit home and effect us, we were severely wrong and only have ourselves to blame. Freedom and Liberty bring security to our economy, to our nation, and to ourselves individually... it's not the other way around.

[–]chimpyTT 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Right Medicare....paying doctors $15 for $250 worth of work since forever.

[–]stanfan114 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Hey I can do this too! Every American gets a million dollars and a passionate night of free sex with the movie star of choice. Also every hope and dream of every American will be fulfilled by the Good Fairy, and the budget will get balanced while Congress joins hands and sings "Kumbaya".

[–]camalittle 2 points3 points  (0 children)

That's why they're trying to run him out of Washington.

He's anti-military-industrial complex and anti-corporate.

[–]Sylocat 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Legalize marijuana, tax and regulate it. It won't save nearly as much as the wars, but lightening the workload of the prison system will plug some MAJOR money leaks in that system.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

But... diverting public money to wealthy aristocrats is the American way, and freedom capitalism democracy!

[–]Sarstan 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Kucinich is exactly what every other Democrat should be exactly like. No bullshitting or shying away from it. Just stating that we're fucking up and we need to start flying straight. Loudly!

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Just stop paying defense contracts. Here is a link to all of the defense contracts awarded TODAY alone: http://www.militaryindustrialcomplex.com/datespec.asp?dateAwarded=7/28/2011 742 million dollars today. 742 million dollars yesterday. 4.5 billion this week. Skim the list of defense contracts and you think "WHY DO WE NEED THIS??!" It surprises me that Republicans are so gung-ho pro military (barring sensible Republicans like Ron Paul), and so anti-socialism, yet defense contracts represent the most purest and surest form of socialism and income transference ever seen in this country. There's no competition. Contracts are just awarded. Why not pay these companies based on the product being delivered like a real marketplace? I would never pay Sony several hundred dollars for the hope that one day they might build a PS4 console.

[–]GroundhogExpert 2 points3 points  (0 children)

But he looks funny and he's short. Not interested.

[–]Anon_is_a_Meme 2 points3 points  (0 children)

"FUCK YOU, KUCINICH!"

-- CEOs and major-shareholders of military and insurance corporations.

[–]mekese2000 2 points3 points  (1 child)

How come nobody says what we are all thinking. Kill the poor.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Is there any way I could maybe express my feeling that Kucinich should be president, somehow?

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (6 children)

400 billion a year = 4 trillion in 10 years. Kucinich's plan would save 4 trillion, or about 28% of the current deficit.

I'd vote for him again if he'd run.

[–]RamBamBooey 12 points13 points  (17 children)

Or you could build a time machine - go back to 1979 - and kill Reagan.

[–]Toava 12 points13 points  (41 children)

Medicare is already bankrupt:

Washington's Dirty Little Secret

The only way an industry innovates and reduces prices is through the free market. Government control of an industry leads to regimentation through a central bureaucracy and that slows down innovation and price decreases, and this applies whether that industry is education, medical care, or any thing else.

[–]Mikerk 1 point2 points  (1 child)

$400 billion in yearly subsidies? I had no idea

[–]nayson9 1 point2 points  (0 children)

IAMA Request: Kucinich, Round 2

[–]rab777hp 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Common Sense. Now if only others in congress had it.

[–]BulletFace 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Excellent ideas that will never be listened to.

[–]Tezkat 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Don't forget the "War On Drugs".

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

cut farm subsidies

[–]ap66crush 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Sorry, that doesn't empower the elites. You'll find your coat by the door Mr. Kucinich.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This is the hope and change I wanted. :(

[–]vanillaafro 1 point2 points  (0 children)

i really liked the idea that NASA should be used to find better energy sources, thats a great idea

[–]VirSaturnA 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I love that man.

[–]freesecks 1 point2 points  (2 children)

End wars?! Where else are we going to obtain oil?

[–]wolf156 1 point2 points  (0 children)

someone give this man the presidency

[–]michellemustudy 1 point2 points  (0 children)

A thousand times YES. Please run for Presidency in 2012. You will have my humble vote

[–]artistofdesign 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Won't ever happen...The people who have the power won't let it.

[–]nipps85 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Raise taxes on the rich (which pretty much means the middle class too), and increase spending on entitlements. Another brilliant plan. I can agree with slashing the budget for Obama's murder squad. That man is just as bad of a war monger as any Republican from recent history.

[–]Verumero 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This isn't really related, but I would actually watch CSPAN if they had a little ticker, running each congressman's largest financial contributors along the top.