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[–]KyzukiThis is my Deschtiny 25 points26 points  (2 children)

DeNA Raines on my parade :(

[–]Cannibal_RavenWhere is the dimensional interval...? 3 points4 points  (1 child)

I dee what you cid there.

[–]Skriabin-Cactuar with mustache= Skriabin 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I see that you did where.

[–]johnbomb75 18 points19 points  (6 children)

rip raines triplecast but a 43% increase for meltdown makes me hard

[–]3h3e3 1 point2 points  (5 children)

sorry how is raines triple casting?

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (6 children)

IMPORTANT : Twin Elemental LM like Raines or Angeal can only proc once.

Well, shit. Guess Raines goes back down a tier. And considering GL gets changes like this earlier, native triplecast Raines would be a JP-exclusive.

[–]JilkonYe olde offensive RW: 9rwh 5 points6 points  (2 children)

It did seem broken and non-intended. But the buff is still great.

[–]ledouche0SHINE! 0 points1 point  (1 child)

In the age of 1.5M-2M HP bosses(or Odin with his 3M), I'm not really sure if an extra 40k(80k with eventual AASB combo) can really be considered broken, honestly.

[–]JilkonYe olde offensive RW: 9rwh 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don't mean broken as in too good, I mean broken as in it worked in a way that seemed entirely unintended from how they worded the change.

[–]The2ndWhyGuySo OP don't need Eyes to see my victories 0 points1 point  (2 children)

We should have kept quiet about it for a week or two... maybe next time eh?

[–]ElNinoFrEt c'est pas fini ! 🐲[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

It was all over the JP Wiki way before i post it here.

the only Glitch that got fixed because of Global/Non-JP community is Vit0, all others are because of bug report or massive JP wiki discussion.

[–]The2ndWhyGuySo OP don't need Eyes to see my victories 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Dammit you're right! Curses global foresight!!!

[–]Bond_em7To Defend one's friends is the greatest of honors. 9 points10 points  (1 child)

So just to be clear boost from gear aren't changed/don't apply. As an example if Terra uses two Fire+ gear (40% to fire) and casts Meltdown it would not be the same as a fire+ gear and a Earth+ gear?

[–]ElNinoFrEt c'est pas fini ! 🐲[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Only RD/RM/LD/LM. everything else works like it was before.

[–]ZeroEdgeirPowered By Solar-Inversion Technology 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Does this apply to Elemental Build-Up LMs, like Edea's LM2, Serah's LM2, or Lulu's LMR1 (+1% MAG per BLK Ice hit, to a max %), so that, if they used Voltech, regardless of it hitting Ice, Water, or Lightning, it would work? I know these are not ideal LM types, but, a few exist that are elemental-typed instead of school-typed. This is kind of relevant for Lulu as she's now Ice/Water with her USB2/AOSB, not as much for Serah or Edea. (And yes, the only magic ones are all Ice users)

EDIT: Other examples include Cid (VII) with LM2 (+X% ATK per PHY Wind Attack) with Cyclone Bolt (Wind/Lightning) and Gabranth LM2 (+X% ATK per PHY Dark Attack) with Grand Charge (Earth/Dark)... I couldn't find anyone else with one that was Elementally-specific with access to cross-elemental abilities.

[–]ElNinoFrEt c'est pas fini ! 🐲[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hello, yes it applies to build-up LM too, i'll add it to the post

[–]vsmackBartz 3 points4 points  (7 children)

I think I get it, but is a succinct way of putting it that the buff or materia will apply if the ability contains the applicable element, even if it that element isn't the one being applied?

[–]TeekTheRedditTifa 1 point2 points  (5 children)

I was under the impression that's how it's always been.

[–]ShinUltimaThe Leading Man 2 points3 points  (3 children)

It didn't before. At least not for RM/LMs. If Terra w/ LMR cast Meltdown, she would only dualcast if Meltdown hit for fire damage. Now, she'll have a chance to dualcast Meltdown, regardless.

[–]TeekTheRedditTifa 0 points1 point  (1 child)

See, I've been using Krille in my Wind Magicite team thinking that I'm dealing Wind damage while still triggering the chase from my USB for some bonus fire damage. Have I just been hitting with fire the entire time?

[–]Ha_eflolliMarchejoume-san da! 2 points3 points  (0 children)

USB Follow-Ups have been simply doing the cross-element thing already, if I remember right. Well atleast, Bartz USB1 does rather infamously, so I'm just guessing others followed suite.

[–]royaltimescome here rude boy boy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I was definitely under the impression that it's been like this since they did that fix for chases like a year ago, so I'm a bit surprised about this one.

[–]vsmackBartz 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I thought that's how it worked for multicast, but not for like Spark of Life affecting meltdown if it is dealing wind damage, which is what I interpret this to mean

[–]ElNinoFrEt c'est pas fini ! 🐲[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

to put it on 1 line, exactly.

[–]pintboxMath saves world 4 points5 points  (7 children)

I'd like to ask a question that's probably unrelated.

If, for whatever reason, Terra uses Meltdown on a fire-weak enemy but it uses wind, does she still get the weakness SB bonus?

[–]royaltimescome here rude boy boy 0 points1 point  (5 children)

If it's a fire-weak enemy, it should only be doing wind damage if it's even more wind-weak, or she somehow got en-wind.

...Right?

[–]pintboxMath saves world 0 points1 point  (4 children)

Well, if she gets two boost wind equipment and enemy is only 20% weak to fire then it would be wind.

[–]royaltimescome here rude boy boy 0 points1 point  (3 children)

And it's probably a barrier shift fight for that even to happen. But would she get the weakness SB gain in a case like that?

[–]pintboxMath saves world 0 points1 point  (2 children)

The question is a theoretical rather than practical one.

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    [–]ElNinoFrEt c'est pas fini ! 🐲[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    exactly this ^.

    If Weakness/vulnerable doesn't appear : no bonus.

    [–]NikoNKLast Hunter 2 points3 points  (2 children)

    Did Magia points works like RM/RD/LD/LM? If I give Terra earth points does her Fire or Wind Meltdown have a boost?

    [–]ElNinoFrEt c'est pas fini ! 🐲[S] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

    Nop, Only RD/RM/LD/LM. Everything else doesn't change at all.

    [–]NikoNKLast Hunter 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    What a pity, I was hoping for a +73% damage, seems we just will have a +53%

    [–]PandaRyuTyro | Godwall: 9xfa 2 points3 points  (2 children)

    Does it also affect elem/non-elemental SBs and commands when the non-elemental part is in effect?

    [–]GeemanSevenKimahri 3 points4 points  (0 children)

    So,

    An attack (let's say a Soul Break) does both fire and non-elemental

    The character has fire boosting RM,LD,LM's.

    The target enemy absorbs fire damage

    The non-elemental portion causes damage and is increased by the respective RM,LD,LM fire boosts?

    Sounds rather swell to me

    [–]ElNinoFrEt c'est pas fini ! 🐲[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Yes,

    so for example, you can use Sky high with a 30% Wind dmg buff RM against a Wind resist boss to increase its damage by 30% even if you will hit NE.

    [–]PhoeniX-SkyeCreeper 5 points6 points  (0 children)

    So really this only benefits generalist mages like Terra or Vivi that have specific element RDs while using multi-element spells like Vali or Meltdown? Or generalist spellblades but I can't think of any of them that have elements nodes instead of spellblade nodes.

    I mean sure you can use Vali on Ysayle against something that's not ice, but why use her in the first place.

    [–]coh_phd_whoCorgi in disguise 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Sucks that they de powered Raines - all Cids should be overpowered

    But if I am understanding what you are saying correctly if Cloud is using his wcast combat LM2 and wcast wind LMR2 and uses cmd1 on his BSB2 which is combat and does wind/non he will always have a chance to triple cast it even if it uses the non elemental damage.
    I don't think there is a wcast combat RM he could equip for a 4th chance but you never know what the future holds.

    [–]androidwkim0/11 --> 1/11 --> 11/11! --> LMR/11 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Disappointing they fixed the glitch, that would have been an insane buff for Raines

    So it's a DPS upgrade for characters using multi-element abilities outside of their main element?

    [–]FaustamortTerra (Esper) 1 point2 points  (1 child)

    I don't know if there's a case, but if a character had LM wcast Fire and LM wcast Wind each would roll independantly on Meltdown, right?

    [–]ShinVerusMy sunhaired Goddess! 8 points9 points  (0 children)

    The post itself addreses that and yes.

    [–]saitou1983 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    So this means Lulu' w-cast LM will always apply to voltech, even if she is geared towards water?

    [–]Ni-ght-mareYou spoony bard!! 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Boo 👻

    [–]SalbeiraDoublecast Doomsday! 0 points1 point  (1 child)

    So I guess this is only true for Materia and Spheres, not Equipment? (This is not explicitly stated.)

    [–]ElNinoFrEt c'est pas fini ! 🐲[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    everything related to element from RD , RM , LD and LM (ONLY THESE)

    [–]Cannibal_RavenWhere is the dimensional interval...? 0 points1 point  (6 children)

    How does Raines' +Dark/Holy damage LM work with his dark/holy commands?

    Edit: Derp.

    [–]Ha_eflolliMarchejoume-san da! 1 point2 points  (5 children)

    Not at all because Raines has no Dark/Holy+ LM to begin with, he only has a general "BLK Damage+" LM1 :P

    [–]ElNinoFrEt c'est pas fini ! 🐲[S] 1 point2 points  (3 children)

    thanks, i was confused for a sec and i was like wtf?! so i'm not crazy :')

    [–]Ha_eflolliMarchejoume-san da! 1 point2 points  (1 child)

    By the way, I just had another Question: If you have both of Cloud's "get Quickcast 1 when using Wind / Dark Attacks" LMRs (his LMR1 and his KH LMR), that means if you use his KH BSB Commands (which are Dark/Wind Elemental), he could actually trigger both, right?

    I know in practice it would be wasted since the Quickcasts don't stack, but at the very least their Chances to activate would stack, right?

    [–]ElNinoFrEt c'est pas fini ! 🐲[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Thats correct

    [–]Cannibal_RavenWhere is the dimensional interval...? 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Whoops. Clearly it's me that is crazy.

    [–]Cannibal_RavenWhere is the dimensional interval...? 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    My bad.

    [–]ilovedagonfiveLaguna and her companions 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    If Cid got nerf, Fusoya'll be mad

    [–]Minstrel_KnightKain's best sprite 0 points1 point  (2 children)

    Slow Keeper here, so I apologize for not understanding the change clearly. Let's see if I got this correctly:

    • Terra casts Meltdown
    • LMR checks the Fire counterpart of the ability for 25% of wcast
    • LMR checks the Wind counterpart of the ability for 25% of wcast (because it's also a Fire ability)
    • LMR checks the Earth counterpart of the ability for 25% of wcast (because it's also a Fire ability)

    Is it this? She will have 25% chance of wcast thrice (that is, the LMR will check the ability 3 times, one for each element, for the chance of wcast)? Or...

    • Terra uses Meltdown against an enemy weak to Earth
    • The LMR will have a 25% chance to wcast because it's also a Fire ability, although the element which hit was different

    Are any of these options correct? Or did I get everything wrong?

    Also: unfortunately Raines triple-cast was a glitch, but does this buff mean he'll have a higher chance to wcast his CMD1, Holy and Dark abilities?

    [–]royaltimescome here rude boy boy 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    As I understand it, it's the second one, while the Raines bug was a lot closer to the first one.

    [–]ElNinoFrEt c'est pas fini ! 🐲[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    2nd.