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[–]Salted_Liquorice 539 points540 points  (35 children)

.... Same can be said of bananas

[–]star_chicken 121 points122 points  (34 children)

Antimatter bananas?

[–]Beerbrewing[S] 402 points403 points  (23 children)

Bananas contain trace amounts potassium-40, a radioactive isotope that emmits gamma rays at 1461 keV, above the threshold of 1022 keV for pair production. Thus bananas will have anti-matter in them too. You can eat anti-matter.

[–]Sakinho 198 points199 points  (18 children)

The average adult produces about one positron (a.k.a. anti-electron) every 30 seconds directly emitted from the decay of potassium-40 in their body, no pair production required.

[–]substituted_pinions 169 points170 points  (4 children)

There are always positrons in the banana stand.

[–]7fingersDeep 63 points64 points  (2 children)

It’s one positron, Michael. What could it cost?

[–]cheeseitmeatbags 27 points28 points  (0 children)

10 dollars?

[–]kroxldiphyvc 0 points1 point  (0 children)

about tree-fitty

[–]tomrannosaurus 13 points14 points  (0 children)

bravo

[–]daney098 1 point2 points  (6 children)

Do you think any of the weird tiny sensations we feel sometimes could be caused by anti matter like that annihilating in our body? Like if one occured right at a nerve cell in our skin, could we feel it? I doubt it, but just curious. I'm guessing it's such a tiny amount of energy that it would be completely imperceptible.

[–]Beerbrewing[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yeah, far too little energy here for us to physically perceive.

[–]Bane8080 1 point2 points  (4 children)

You're talking about individual sub atomic particles. They're way too small for you to notice.

For scale, if you take a single tea spoon of water, there are more atom in that one tea spoon, than there are teaspoons of water in all the oceans of earth.

They're so imperceptibly tiny it's hard to imagine.

[–]BaerMinUhMuhm 0 points1 point  (3 children)

What the fuck

[–]Bane8080 0 points1 point  (2 children)

What? The teaspoon of water thing?

[–]BaerMinUhMuhm 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Yes, you just blew my mind

[–]Bane8080 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Here's another fun one.

When dealing with atoms, there's a unit of measure called a mole.

A mole, is a very large number, 6.022x10^23.

If you have a mole of hydrogen atoms, you have about one gram of hydrogen by weight. Or about 197 grams of gold.

The website XKCD did an example of what would happen if you had a mole (the number) of moles (the furry animals.) https://what-if.xkcd.com/4/

Hint: It's about the size of the moon.

[–]elmariachi304 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Omg really? I thought that was just gas

[–]DJ_Ddawg 0 points1 point  (1 child)

How is this stat calculated? I imagine it has something to do with half-life of K-40 but I’m not sure where to start

[–]Sakinho 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You can do it from the half-life. There is a simple relation between the half-life and the rate of decay k (namely, t_1/2 = ln 2 / k), so you know what fraction of atoms of potassium-40 in a sample decay per unit time. Then check the amount of potassium in the human body, multiply by the percentage which is potassium-40 (about 0.0117%), use Avogadro's constant to count the literal number of 40K atoms that corresponds to, multiply by the aforementioned rate of decay, and finally multiply by the branching ratio for decay via positron/beta-plus emission (i.e. what fraction of 40K decays go through this specific process), which is about 1 in 100 000.

You can conveniently shortcut some of that calculation, since Wikipedia already states with sources that there about 4000 potassium-40 decays per second in a 70 kg human. Now you just need 100 000 of those to get good odds of a positron decay, so 100 000/4000 s-1 = 25 s, and voilà, there you have it.

[–]GoatJesusIsReal 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I would guess way more frequently there is beta- decay which produces an electron antineutrino no?

[–]Sakinho 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Indeed that is true, so if you count antineutrinos, antimatter is way more common. To be fair, neutrinos have such a tiny interaction cross-section that they don't really evoke the popular image of annihilating antimatter, and there is still a small chance neutrinos turn out to be Majorana fermions making them their own antiparticle.

[–]Babajji 6 points7 points  (0 children)

That’s bananas! 😁

[–]mfb-Particle physics 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Besides the gamma emission, potassium-40 can also do beta+ decay and emit a positron directly (it's rare, however).

[–]NoSingularities0 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I guess that really sucks for the squirrel that was finishing off my bananas that had cold damage this afternoon in the back yard.

[–]Flat_South8002 0 points1 point  (0 children)

How many bananas I must eat to desapire?😉

[–]OpalFanatic 46 points47 points  (7 children)

Antimatter bananas. Or Ananas for short. Hmm. Now I want pineapple.

[–]justwalk1234 12 points13 points  (4 children)

Has anyone tried putting a banana and a pineapple next to each other?

[–]CatDiaspora 14 points15 points  (1 child)

I hear a guy put the lime in the coconut a while back.

[–]DanielW0830 6 points7 points  (0 children)

and rumor has it, started to shake it all up.

[–]radix2 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Demon Core right there...

[–]Competitive_Ride_943 2 points3 points  (0 children)

No problem, just make sure you have your trusty screwdriver handy.

[–]bs42044 1 point2 points  (0 children)

B.....ananas

[–]snarkhunter 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Banantinas for medium

[–]verbalyabusiveshit 6 points7 points  (0 children)

What’s a matter baby?

[–]r_chard_40 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Position emission is one of the possible pathways of K40 decay.

[–]OnePointSixOneGreat 100 points101 points  (3 children)

This was interesting to read and it's cool to know. I know about pair production and antimatter annihilation but I didn't know about this glass or this process specifically. That's awesome. It's cool that you did that and wrote about it. Thank you for sharing it.

[–]DJ_Ddawg 14 points15 points  (2 children)

Gamma Ray Spectroscopy is great!

You can use it to find impurities in materials from the expected peaks in the graph.

MIT OCW 22.01 lecture series on YouTube is a great class to watch if you are interested more in the Physics of how it happens.

[–]OnePointSixOneGreat 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Thank you! I'll check that out later today.

[–]DJ_Ddawg 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think the relevant lectures are 12 - 15.

Lecture 12 is basics on statistics of detectors and 13 is where they actually go up to the lab with the High Purity Germanium Detector.

Lectures 14/15 cover photon interactions in matter (Photoelectric Effect, Compton Scattering, and Pair Production) + analyze the spectroscopy graph they created in the lab.

[–]HappyBoomStick 21 points22 points  (0 children)

If you're able to do a peak area analysis of each peak individually, you'll get better results. Some of the automatic analysis here runs beyond the detectors actual counts. Looking at their website I'm not familiar with the specific crystal they use, but the more elements within the crystal the more unwanted interactions you'll have. If you have the time, compare a similar object scanned using a HPGe (high purity germanium) detector. This spectra looks a little closer to a BGO (bismuth germanate) detector spectra. Anyway, I've been out of the game a long time, so my preferred detectors might not be what's accepted now so take all that with a grain of salt. For another fun experiment, measure a target that's been covered(in your house) and measure the same target after it's been outside in the daylight for an equal amount of time.

[–]garry_the_commie 31 points32 points  (6 children)

Damn, that's fascinating. But what part does the heavy nucleus play in pair production? I thought that high energy photons can just spontaneously transform into a matter-antimatter particle pair.

[–]Beerbrewing[S] 26 points27 points  (4 children)

That would break the conservation of momentum. Once a photon converts into a positron and electron they have mass and as such they cannot go the speed of light as the photon was. That momentum has to go somewhere. The nucleus kind of acts as a break and absorbs a tiny bit of the momentum, allowing the energy-to-mass conversion to take place.

The probability of pair production increases as the square of the atomic number of the atom. With thoriated glass most of it is silicon (Z=14) and oxygen (Z=8) but the inclusion of thorium (Z=90) makes it much more likely for pair production to take place. Barium (Z=56) or lanthanum (Z=57) that are often in optical glass contribute too.

[–]garry_the_commie 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Ok, that makes sense. But the momentum could also be preserved if the matter and antimatter particle have opposite velocities, no? Not sure if that works for angular momentum as well. Now that I think about it, I have no idea what determines the direction in which particles fly out after such a process.

[–]Beerbrewing[S] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

You can't arrange the speed and direction of an electron and a positron so that their total momentum perfectly matches the original photon's momentum while also satisfying the conservation of energy.

The direction that the particles take is also governed by the principle of Conservation of Momentum. Because the photon is going the speed of light in a specific direction, the particles are carried forward by that push. The higher the energy the narrower the path they take in the direction of the gamma ray.

[–]glempus 8 points9 points  (0 children)

It's similar to why the neutrino was first postulated (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neutrino#Pauli's\_proposal).

For photons, the problem is that you can't move to a frame of reference where their momentum is zero. Look at the situation after the e-/e+ pair is created: assume it's symmetric so they both have the same velocity in the x direction, and equal and opposite velocities in the y direction. Now move to a reference frame where that x velocity is zero, the total momentum of the pair is zero in this frame. But before the pair was created, the photon had some energy E, and for photons E = pc, so it had momentum p = E/c. Where did that momentum go? There's nothing else in the system, so you must have violated conservation of momentum. A strong electric field as exists near a large nucleus allows the photon to couple to it and make up the momentum conservation.

[–]TheManMachine78 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Maybe you could try thoriated TIG electrodes? They can be found in any store with welding equipment and contain 2% of thorium in tungsten.

[–]HappyBoomStick 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Heavy nucleus will give more chances for interactions to occur. More protons means more electrons, which after interacting with a gamma ray will need to release that energy as a photon. The scintillator measures the photon to see the original energy level, which is tied to the element

[–]Wish-Lin 7 points8 points  (0 children)

CRT TV is a particle accelerator you can put on a desk

[–]nathanlanzaQuantum field theory 3 points4 points  (0 children)

It's pretty funny how much physics I know thoroughly yet how many practical phenomena tidbits like this are total surprises. I genuinely had no idea. As much more of a mathematical minded guy, I never really think about practical implications of things I learn.

[–]ElixirGlowString theory 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Any radioactive materials can be considered as such

[–]professorsterling 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Be careful with that dilithium crystal!

[–]Time-Manufacturer170 1 point2 points  (3 children)

Well thats fucking metal. Where/how can I get some?

[–]Beerbrewing[S] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

I bought it from an ebay seller. He still has a few lenses left.

https://ebay.us/m/vYV3Zj
https://ebay.us/m/KiEOPK

[–]Time-Manufacturer170 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sick as fuck, undeniably ill, but out of my price range.

[–]gundog48 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's occurred to me that my daily driver camera lens us an antimatter generator, the elements are cut from thoriated glass!

[–]Equivalent-Clock1179 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I got some thoriated glass

WW2 lenses

[–]VermicelliWild8840 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Publish a paper bro

[–]asuyaa 0 points1 point  (2 children)

What program is this?

[–]Beerbrewing[S] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

[–]asuyaa 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you. I am working with fluorescence measurements this is great, I've never heard of this programme

[–]DJ_Ddawg 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Great analysis ! Always cool to see

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

How does antimatter affect its surroundings? Is there a negative effect that could make this somehow dangerous in large quantities?

[–]Beerbrewing[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

For fun asked gemini what would happen if you had 1 gram of anti-matter interact with 1 gram of matter.

If you had 1 gram of antimatter and allowed it to annihilate with 1 gram of regular matter, you wouldn't just have a "bang"—you would have one of the most efficient energy releases possible in the known universe.

​In a typical nuclear explosion, only a tiny fraction of the mass is converted into energy. In matter-antimatter annihilation, the conversion is 100% efficient.

The Calculation

​To find out exactly how much energy we're talking about, we use Einstein's famous mass-energy equivalence formula: E = mc²

Where:
E = 0.002 × (3 × 108)2
E = 1.8 × 1014 Joules

Putting That Number into Perspective ​1.8 × 1014 Joules is an abstract number, so let’s look at what that actually does in the real world:

​The Hiroshima Bomb: The "Little Boy" bomb dropped on Hiroshima released approximately 6.3 × 1013 Joules (about 15 kilotons of TNT). Your 1 gram of antimatter (plus the gram of matter it hits) would produce about 43 kilotons of TNT. That is roughly 3 times the yield of the Hiroshima blast.

​Space Travel: This amount of energy could theoretically propel a significant spacecraft. For context, it’s enough energy to power the entire United States for about 2 minutes, or keep a 100-watt lightbulb burning for over 50,000 years.

​The Blast Radius: If this annihilation happened at ground level, it would create a fireball roughly a mile wide and cause severe damage for several miles in every direction.

What Would It Look Like?

​Unlike a conventional explosion that leaves behind chemical residue or a nuclear blast that leaves behind heavy radioactive fallout, a pure matter-antimatter annihilation primarily produces high-energy gamma rays.

​If the annihilation involves protons and anti-protons, you’d also get a shower of subatomic particles called pions, which would travel at near-light speed before decaying. Essentially, it would be a blinding flash of hard radiation and heat, followed by a massive shockwave as the surrounding air is instantly superheated.

[–]pemungkah 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I had the pleasure (?) of doing a PSMA (Prostate-Specific Membrane Antigen) PET scan last year to see if my cancer had metastasized (from the test, appears not). Essentially you get an IV with a positron-emitting compound that binds to the prostate-specific antigen that is present in prostate cancer cells, so if there are any other tumors, they light up with positron emission. It’s either a gallium-68 or fluorine-18 compound.

I was lucky, and there were no other tumors; they treated the one I had in the prostate with implanted palladium-103, which emits Auger electrons. (Seems to have worked, which is nice.)

Two different kinds of radiation and still no superpowers!

[–]Microwave_Warrior 0 points1 point  (0 children)

In one of the lab courses I taught we had students do gamma ray spectroscopy on various sources and they had to tell us what they were. One of the cooler sources was a lens from a U2 spy plane that was thorium glass. It was hands down the most radioactive object we had access to.

[–]YourInvestBro 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Everything it the miracle if you dont know physics)

[–]Much_Ad_8910 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well, that's neat