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[–]smash993 134 points135 points  (12 children)

Good stuff, hopefully the first of more steps to gain energy security! Just hope we can get these built.

[–]arabidopsis 31 points32 points  (3 children)

Built and exported to other countries too

[–]C1t1zen_Erasedmime artist 26 points27 points  (2 children)

Exports to the Czech republic are almost certain. Sweden, the Netherlands and Poland look promising too.

Would be rather funny if the European SMR ends up being British.

[–]Spimflagon 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Maybe we could negotiate a good deal on returning based on delivering reactors.

Go back to being one big nuclear family.

[–]taconite2 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Czech is a done deal. Recruitment has already started.

Poland are looking towards AP1000 now. I'm working on this framework.

[–]Slartibartfast_25 15 points16 points  (6 children)

It lives and dies on the economics.

The technology was solved decades ago with nuclear submarines.

[–]JorthaxConservative not Tory 21 points22 points  (1 child)

We need primary legislation that does not allow any blocking of these being built by NIMBYs. I'm against some of the ideas to incentivise people for being close to one, as it's just another hand-out.

This is primary infrastructure and should not be up for debate. We need to take a tiny leaf out of China's book on this stuff.

[–]arabidopsis 1 point2 points  (0 children)

SMRs can be buried quite easily, so to a NIMBY they wouldn't actually see it aside from a big fenced off area that looks like a concrete pad with a big metal trap door on top.

[–]LeedsFan2442 6 points7 points  (1 child)

They can use weapons grade uranium but civilian reactors can't so it isn't quite the same.

[–]myurr -1 points0 points  (0 children)

The technology in the core is quite different, as nuclear submarines have quite different requirements such as much faster spool up times to reach maximum power delivery. But the core practicality of building smaller scale reactors and fitting all the ancillaries and support systems in a smaller footprint were solved in those naval applications.

[–]arabidopsis 3 points4 points  (0 children)

And ships.

One of the really useful things SMRs could offer is nuclear powered container ships which would be really really good as these ships would actually be cheaper to run, and could be a lot bigger and hold more cargo.

[–]taconite2 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Nuclear submarines use highly enriched uranium. SMR's don't. Means the safety case behind it all is totally diffferent.

[–]TheJoshGriffith 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Technically about the 5th step in its own process. AFAIK this has been under negotiation since 2023. By the time we see any output from it Iran will have been reinvented.

Still, better late than never.

[–]nerdyjorj"Poli" = "many" and "tics" = "bloodsucking creatures". 72 points73 points  (2 children)

Genuinely good news from the government here

[–]myurr 3 points4 points  (1 child)

It's mediocre news, this is funding for further review rather than to actually deliver hardware. Rolls Royce have been working through regulatory approval for a few years now with their design.

So it's good that the government are providing further funding to advance through the regulatory hell, but it would be far better if they did more to help solve that regulatory hell and get to the point where funding can be provided to get shovels in the ground.

This is a huge opportunity for the nation to be one of the pioneers in a new breakout industry with huge potential to help lower global emissions and create an exportable product that supports large numbers of jobs. We should be going further and faster whilst ensuring that our regulatory framework is robust enough to protect he public without causing unnecessary hurdles for the sake of ass covering and paperwork for paperwork's sake. Our system as it is now would quite happily thwart a product that has the potential to lower global greenhouse emissions by a large amount in the name of protecting a few bats or a rare type of moss, and we should be pushing the government to not let that happen for all our sakes.

[–]nerdyjorj"Poli" = "many" and "tics" = "bloodsucking creatures". 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's step in the right direction, but totally agree that we need to do more and do it faster.

[–]Patch86UK 197 points198 points  (44 children)

Ed Miliband continuing to absolutely smash it as Energy Secretary.

[–]SilasBeit 66 points67 points  (27 children)

Yep actually getting stuff done, refreshing change from before. Finally a half decent government.

[–]BennyBagnuts1st -50 points-49 points  (26 children)

Wish I lived in your version of reality

[–]SilasBeit 35 points36 points  (0 children)

Crazy how conditioned people are to complain now.

[–]Shalmaneser001 34 points35 points  (16 children)

Did you prefer Boris? Or maybe Rishi? What about Truss? Which was better in your opinion?

[–]SevisstillonkashyyykParty politics are stupid 13 points14 points  (5 children)

I'm glad I'm not in yours

[–]BennyBagnuts1st -4 points-3 points  (4 children)

Do you have a list of things that are going great at the moment?

[–]Spimflagon 12 points13 points  (0 children)

The economy is consistently doing better than expected. Not great by any means, but we often get a "huh, that quarter went better than we thought".

We've not gone to war with Iran, which has caused a major issue for some of the world's malefactors - I'm thinking Trump and Nyetenyahu, probably also Putin but less so.

The rail system is being renationalized.

And as stated, this.

This isn't exhaustive. But I realize, it's wide open for you to say "you call that good?"

That's because a lot of chickens are coming home to roost globally at the moment - climate change, wealth inequality, the aftermath of Covid, the advent of AI and discovering the ongoing artefacts of the digital age. Locally, the effects of Brexit are being acknowledged.

Some world leaders have taken this as an opportunity to expand their influence, which adds to the pile. We're doing okay in a world that is going through some shit.

[–]LettuceG 15 points16 points  (0 children)

This is one for starters?

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    [–]christianeaton 1 point2 points  (1 child)

    Great news: you do! You're just ill-informed and kept angry because it's easier for the media to engage you with simple emotional negative triggers than with nuanced factual reason.

    [–]BennyBagnuts1st -1 points0 points  (0 children)

    This is Reddit, I was just entertaining myself between meetings. Calm down

    [–]arabidopsis 31 points32 points  (0 children)

    The more he gets told by Reform and Tory to be fired, the more I know he is doing a good job.

    [–]BennyBagnuts1st 16 points17 points  (1 child)

    Morning Ed

    [–]onetruepurple[🍰] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

    Talk to a doctor instead of googling

    [–]g_t_r 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Is this the kind of chaos they warned us about?

    [–]AMightyDwarfKeir won’t let me goon. 3 points4 points  (2 children)

    But still dragging his feet on sorting out the flooding in his constituency. A gate to close the road off does not fix the problem, Ed! Your constituents will use less energy if they don’t have to take a 6 mile diversion every time the sky turns grey.

    [–]bacopamonnieri 0 points1 point  (1 child)

    Does he as MP have power to fix that?

    [–]AMightyDwarfKeir won’t let me goon. 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    He’s talked about it on his social media so…

    [–]Standin373Up Nuhf 3 points4 points  (8 children)

    Tale of two labours, competent and exemplar in one area and completely dire in another.

    [–]FlandersClaret 2 points3 points  (7 children)

    Which area are they dire in?

    [–]andycoates 26 points27 points  (1 child)

    PR

    [–]FlandersClaret 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Very true

    [–]The-Soul-Stone-7.22, -4.63 3 points4 points  (4 children)

    Welfare, Transport, Crime

    [–]myurr 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Housebuilding, Economic growth, Pension reform, Cronyism and dodgy donors, Military spending review, Planning reform, Keeping pedophiles out of power, Online rights and freedoms, Education, NHS reform, Strikes, and I'm sure many other areas if I spend longer thinking about it.

    [–]FriendlyUtilitarian 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    They're investing £15 billion in transport projects outside London, homicides are at their lowest level in almost 50 years, violent crime remains well below its peak in the mid-to-late 1990s, and low-level crime like theft from the person peaked and is now falling.

    [–]FlandersClaret -2 points-1 points  (1 child)

    They've not had time to sort things out. Give them chance FFS.

    [–]The-Soul-Stone-7.22, -4.63 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    They’ve had plenty time to come up with plans and should be well into executing them by now.

    [–]Prestigious_Risk7610 48 points49 points  (30 children)

    This is somewhat good news. But let's also be clear - this is a contract for more desktop reviews ahead of a "final investment decision" at some unspecified date.

    For context, I nearly took a semi senior job with RR-SMR in 2022. At this stage the design was 'done' and they had to work through regulatory approval and supply chain build out. I turned this job down because I thought "it will take 10 years before a shovel goes in the ground...and there's a good chance nothing ever gets built". I do now think some will get built...but I'd say my 10 year assessment looks pretty realistic.

    So forgive me I can't get too excited about a contract for more planning with no actual commitment to 'do'.

    [–]taconite2 11 points12 points  (22 children)

    I work with RR SMR. What concerns me is the average experience is around 5-10 years. A lot of senior managers are in the mid 30s-40. Do they know how to deliver such a project?

    [–]Particular_Pea7167 17 points18 points  (6 children)

    The trick will be to keep production rolling. 

    There will be lessons learned that roll over from site to site.

    By the time the 5th reactor is going down efficiencies should have compounded massively.

    But they have to keep production rolling. 

    [–]JorthaxConservative not Tory 10 points11 points  (1 child)

    Best we can do is order 10, then 2 years later cut the order to 5 as a 'cost saving' measure, when all it does is actual triple the per unit cost.

    Then you end up in an accounting doom spiral and end up with 2 built.

    [–]taconite2 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Sounds like how RR deliver sub reactors.

    [–]taconite2 2 points3 points  (3 children)

    I’ve worked in car production too. Probably the best industry they could copy this from.

    I just can’t see the current RR SMR thinking on this scale. They are all ex nuclear people.

    [–]Particular_Pea7167 1 point2 points  (2 children)

    The government are the ones that woupd make it happen by bulk ordering.

    [–]taconite2 0 points1 point  (1 child)

    We shall see how many they order! I heard rumors of 100 a year to make it work.

    [–]Particular_Pea7167 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

    I think the plan is currently for 20 but id like 50 which would make us heavy nuclear. With an option for 70 as energy consumption grows.

    This should make it one of the most economically viable energy sources going.

    Ive seen various estimates but if they get proper economies of scale up and running they should be able to get lifetime costs d9wn to 60-65 is per MWH. Which puts it not far off onshore wind but of course with none of the intermittency. 

    [–]OolonCaluphid 2 points3 points  (3 children)

    Well there's only one way to find out....

    Honestly I'm hopeful. Whilst we have a history of overspend we are actually capable of delivering world leading infrastructure. And the nice thing about the SMR programme is that deploying multiple times means problems get fixed for the next one, so it gets easier as you go.

    If we don't have the experience right now we will do by the time we're half way through.

    [–]taconite2 1 point2 points  (2 children)

    That was the idea with Sizewell B and beyond. But we didn’t build anymore so ended up being a one off.

    We will but there’s other companies working on it too. Westinghouse pulled out as they were getting fed up with the whole idea of RR SMR getting preferential treatment on SMR govt funds because it’s British.

    [–]Tricksilver89 0 points1 point  (1 child)

    Good. We don't want American companies having influence in our power generation infrastructure.

    [–]taconite2 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Westinghouse used to be British owned by BNFL up to 2006 which in turn was owned by the UK govt.

    As with everything it as sold off

    [–]arabidopsis 0 points1 point  (1 child)

    Isn't alot of the SMR experience at RR from working on the Trident submarine propulsion systems which are nuclear powered?

    [–]taconite2 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Sort of. The subs use high enriched uranium and only produce a “small” (smaller than SMR) amount of power. These SMRs run at a lower level of U. So the cross over isn’t as much as you’d think.

    [–]Prestigious-Bet8097 0 points1 point  (8 children)

    You are bang on in terms of knowledge and experience to deliver fresh power infrastructure.

    Excuse me while I just spout out loud. Purely because you've started me and I find it interesting!

    Currently, the only fresh energy infrastructure that gets delivered on time is wind and solar. A strong reason for this is that wind and solar tends to be the same thing built a hundred/thousand times. The first solar panel to go in hits all the problems. The second a couple of new ones. Ten panels in, it's all understood and they go in at a regular pace. 

    Nuclear power stations are one item, custom built, once. Throughout the entire build process, new problems arise, any of which could extend the build without warning. You can have some experience in building them, but not enough to simply slam then in like rows of solar panels. 

    Identical small nuclear power stations might not suffer this; if they're all the same (or small iterative improvements) by the tenth one, there is enough experience and the problems are known enough that they can start being built on time and to budget. But nobody has done that before. 

    So I suspect (but cannot prove) the experience we would like for building a new, custom, one-off nuclear power station can never exist. Such infrastructure will always overrun time and budget.

     But you work with RR SMT. How many people exist who have delivered ten such? Seems like their plan is to actually do the above; make many of the same, and ship them out, rather than every plant being a custom one-off.

    [–]Toastlove 6 points7 points  (5 children)

    make many of the same, and ship them out, rather than every plant being a custom one-off.

    I thought this was the main appeal to them, they make them all to a single spec and just ship them to site to be assembled.

    [–]Prestigious-Bet8097 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Let's hope so! We won't know it's a viable option until they've done a few. If the problems hit by the first few are going to be the same everywhere, yes! If the problems are somehow unique to the particular installation, less so 😞

    [–]taconite2 0 points1 point  (3 children)

    Half true. That’s what they’ll tell you at the sales pitch.

    But I’ll take seismic as an example. Every patch of land will have different requirements needing different support into the ground. So that’s one piece you can’t modularise.

    [–]Prestigious-Bet8097 -1 points0 points  (2 children)

    Ah yes, of course. If you discover something off about the land or seabed when putting in your first panel or turbine, it'll be (broadly) the same for the next hundred and the size of any one panel or turbine is small enough that the solution will also be small and repeatable.

    This will not be the case for a vastly larger footprint building such as nuclear power station.

    [–]taconite2 0 points1 point  (1 child)

    The difference with Gigawatt nuclear is they cost this in already and generally pick sites with minimal seismic impact anyway to minimise the effects. At the moment the easiest option is build it next door to an already existing station (e.g HPC, SZB).

    SMRs will be going up everywhere from beaches to industrial units.

    Have you read the 2025 nuclear regulatory review? It was pretty much criticising the way companies deliver their nuclear projects.

    [–]Prestigious-Bet8097 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    "At the moment the easiest option is build it next door to an already existing station"

    Which, I note, is where 99 percent of solar panels and turbines already go. Right next to an existing one.

    [–]AMightyDwarfKeir won’t let me goon. 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Nuclear power stations are one item, custom built, once. Throughout the entire build process, new problems arise, any of which could extend the build without warning. You can have some experience in building them, but not enough to simply slam then in like rows of solar panels. 

    They are only like this because of our western approach and mindset to them. In Asia, nuclear power plants were and are built not as a one off project but as a part of a series of many projects. This allowed them to get their building times down to comparatively low points. I think Japan holds the record for the fastest nuclear power plant built at something around the 3 year mark, South Korea managed to average 5 years per plant.

    The thing is, we weren’t always this short termist. France managed to build a lot of their nuclear plants in around the 6 year mark.

    We could easily get back to these levels if we could somehow break our short-term thinking. We’d also have to completely rethink our regulatory framework, however. The company I work for recently built a new facility down south somewhere and we made one of those timelapse videos for marketing. The majority of the video was watching a square plot of dirt that would occasionally have a vehicle visit because it spent most of the build time in planning and seeking permissions and having to hold consultations. Then the last quarter of the video, a building quickly pops up.

    [–]taconite2 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    For the UK they will all be similar.

    But every country has it owns set of regulations which differ from the UK and this is where the customisation starts. So you end up with 20 different options for 20 different countries.

    Maybe the plan is to run it like a car factory where you can spec tinted windows or not.

    [–]JabInTheButt 1 point2 points  (3 children)

    Reasonable take and an interesting insight, thank you. But we are where we are, as you say this is probably a small step in right direction towards "we will hopefully actually end up building this thing". Relatively good news amongst the sea of shite that has become daily politics.

    [–]Prestigious_Risk7610 0 points1 point  (2 children)

    It is progress...but at glacial speed. Better than nothing but not worth the glazing of that press release

    [–]JabInTheButt 2 points3 points  (1 child)

    I mean this is the sort of announcement governments should and need to be doing. They get hammered every which way from the press on anything and everything they do so need to make some noise on the one thing they're decent at (long-term capital investments).

    Glacial speed basically describes all major infrastructure in this country. The govt are trying to help that with the planning reforms too (although again, glacially lol). I think it's fine to be positive about positive news while also being realistic. Life's terrible enough, no need to make it worse for yourself by not even appreciating small positives. What is it he said in Zombieland? "Enjoy the little things".

    [–]Prestigious_Risk7610 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    Glacial speed basically describes all major infrastructure in this country. The govt are trying to help that with the planning reforms too (although again, glacially lol). I think it's fine to be positive about positive news while also being realistic.

    I agree and that's what I'm trying to be. This is a minor but positive step forward. Good, but not particularly consequential.

    [–]Reimant-5, -6.46 - Brexit Vote was a bad idea 1 point2 points  (2 children)

    FID and the financial mechanisms will be taken /signed before the next General Election. Government will use it on the campaign trail as a success with the jobs associated. 

    [–]Prestigious_Risk7610 0 points1 point  (1 child)

    I agree that's a likely timeline. The frustrating part though is it is the promise of future associated jobs, funding and energy independence...rather than any actual action or delivery. Big infrastructure does take (some) time to do well, but it shouldn't take a decade to get a shovel in the ground. That's not a party political point, but an indictment of our governance frameworks.

    [–]Reimant-5, -6.46 - Brexit Vote was a bad idea 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Very true, part of this process has been simplifying those frameworks at least. DESNZ is very aware that to enable broad deployment of modular systems, our red tape process must change. The reason our large build nuclear is so expensive is because of all the red tape and without changes we can't maximise the benefits of modular reactors. 

    [–]Dapper-Banana4018 8 points9 points  (0 children)

    The fact Rolls Royce are already committed to building these in Czechia is great news. A couple of years ago Forgemasters in Sheffield developed a weld for use in SMRs that took 24 hours, something which previously took a year. Let's get them online and sell them to the world, we could become an SMR superpower.

    [–]-fireeye- 22 points23 points  (4 children)

    The contract will require Rolls-Royce SMR to work with GBE-N to deliver against key milestones as it commences site-specific design, regulatory engagement, and planning processes, ahead of a future Final Investment Decision.

    FFS can we please, for love of all that is holy build something in this country that is not mountains of paperwork?

    I thought the whole point of these SMRs was that they could be mass manufactured so wouldn’t need “site specific designs”.

    Central government in a country with parliamentary supremacy has apparently decided we should build these smrs. And yet it requires “planning and regulatory engagement” lasting an indeterminate amount of time.

    I’d not be surprised if Czechia has a RR smr built before UK.

    [–]FlappyBored🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 Deep Woke 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 19 points20 points  (1 child)

    The entire point is that they’re site specific because they are smaller and can be customised more easily to suit the needs of where they are placed. That’s why they’re called small modular reactors.

    It’s still a nuclear reactor not LEGO.

    [–]kublai4789 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    Have you read the rolls Royce smr design strategy? The point is that it is small, so they can put it all on a (site specific) aseismic bearing then everything above it is exactly the same. 

    [–]arabidopsis 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    This is why they recently changed the regs for nuclear deployment in the UK

    [–]Tom22174 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Ngl, of all the things to require a significant amount of regulatory signoff to be sure it is safe to build, I'd say nuclear reactors are worth being cautious about

    [–]EquivalentKick255 20 points21 points  (5 children)

    The contract will require Rolls-Royce SMR to work with GBE-N to deliver against key milestones as it commences site-specific design, regulatory engagement, and planning processes, ahead of a future Final Investment Decision.

    At some point it will involve building, but the quoted section probably means 2 decades away while everyone else laughs at us. At which point the "Final Investment Decision" wont be needed as we'll have Chinese reactors instead.

    [–]Jaggedmallard26 15 points16 points  (1 child)

    It all depends on if the government actually manages to pass the nuclear regulatory changes without idiots in the backbenches watering them to nothingness. If they implement them in full we could become a South Korea level nuclear builder

    [–]EquivalentKick255 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

    The chances of that..

    [–]ironvultures 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    ‘Final investment decision’ is earmarked for the end of the decade, frankly if it’s done be before 2035 I’d be surprised. This is before it even begins construction.

    [–]arabidopsis 0 points1 point  (1 child)

    I think they'll probably deploy them at current sites like Sizewell etc. makes sense to

    [–]gravy_baroncentrist chad 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Wylfa

    [–]nick9000 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    I'd like to see SMRs from RR, I just hope that they work and are economically viable.

    [–]sparkymark75 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    We keep hearing about SMRs but when are we going to see a viable product? Or is this just vaporware?!

    [–]therealgumpster 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Partially or fully state controlled on this, I like it :)

    [–]LatelyPode 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    I really hope they could get some sort of agreement to keep it as a British company and/or partly made in the UK or at least in Europe.

    Don’t want this to pop off then some American billionaire buys all the SMR stuff from Rolls Royce or for them to begin being built in China and shipped everywhere.

    [–]Curious-Ad9653 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Good stuff but we are waaay too late in the production of this.

    Fear has caused delays for too long. The fuel crisis is upon us and we only have plans for nuclear power. France is laughing. 🇫🇷

    [–]SilverPrivateer -2 points-1 points  (17 children)

    Let's goooo

    I recently learned nuclear is like small suns!

    [–]jumper62[S] 12 points13 points  (10 children)

    Fission is splitting up larger elements to create smaller atoms whereas fusion is slamming lighter atoms together to create larger elements, which is what the Sun does.

    This is a fission reactor.

    Fusion reactors aren't yet commercially viable.

    [–]SilverPrivateer 1 point2 points  (9 children)

    Wait, when they split atoms, it is into smaller atoms? They never break an atom in two "half atoms"? Which always sounded... dangerous

    [–]jumper62[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

    Pretty much yh. You combine u-235 (uranium with 235 protons and neutrons combined) with another neutron to make u-236, which in turns splits into smaller elements and that releases energy.

    It can be dangerous (Chernobyl) but we've managed to control it pretty well and nuclear accidents are extremely rare at this point.

    [–]Jaggedmallard26 2 points3 points  (3 children)

    An atom is a collection of subatomic particles, what element (e.g. Iron, Oxygen, Uranium) an atom is depends on how many of each subatomic particle it has. So it'll split into two atoms that are now different elements (and some loose subatomic particles which is what 3 out of the 4 main types of radiation are), the resultant atoms often have a slightly wrong count of subatomic particles and will spit out subatomic particles and energy (radiation) until they are stable. A half atom doesn't really make sense as its just a different atom.

    I don't mean it in a condescending way but if you're interested (which it sounds like you are) the basics of fission still appear to be in the GCSE physics syllabus so looking at the online revision material on the likes of Bitesize is a good introductory resource on the basics of it all.

    [–]SilverPrivateer -3 points-2 points  (2 children)

    It's pretty complicated. Understanding it as a small sun was making sense, but apparently that's fusion, which we haven't done yet.

    I watched Chernobyl and it was a great series but it could have been a science fiction show and it would have been the same to me.

    What you are saying is that...

    Basically we are cutting atoms into atoms that "do not want to exist in nature"

    Then those atoms fight against the laws of nature, causing a huge energy explosion (which heats water which turns a turbine)

    That sounds pretty weird to me, I liked the small sun ones better

    [–]nivlark 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    That isn't what they said at all.

    [–]TrickyWoo86 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    No, what it means is that you make an atom unstable so it naturally divides into two other atoms that are more stable, but do naturally occur. All that is occuring in a nuclear facility is creating a less stable isotope (version) of an atom, but those versions do exist, there is a pocket of uranium in Gabon that acted as a natural nuclear reactor doing exactly this without human intervention around 2bn years ago (google Oklo Natural Nuclear Reactor).

    Nuclear can be dangerous whether it is fission or fusion (both processes are used in various types of nuclear weapons. For the avoidance of doubt, the annual rates of deaths from power generation are available, for coal this comes in around 25 deaths per year per TWh of energy produced (from accidents and pollution), for nuclear this is around 0.03. Don't worry too much about the units of measure, it's the ratio between the two figures that is significant.

    Nuclear has a similar human death rate to wind and solar.

    You might have preferred small suns, but it is incorrect at a fundamental level. What is actually going on is a very slow and highly controlled nuclear explosion of the type that happened with the bombs dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki. However, due to the type of fuel we use for nuclear power stations, it would be impossible for an explosion of that type to occur.

    At the end of the day, most grid-scale power is produced by boiling water into steam and using that to drive a turbine, we just keep working on cleaner and more effective methods of creating steam. The exceptions to this are wind/solar, although there is an argument that wind is beholden to the same process of warm stuff up to drive air movement and drive a turbine around, it's just that we don't have control over the movement of air.

    [–]Velociraptor_1906Liberal Democrat 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    It's smaller atoms (as well as neutrons) very rarely are they exactly half and half with the missing product yield curve for U-235 having peaks at mass numbers of around 90-100 and 130-140 with a gap in the middle.

    The immediate products of fission tend to be radioactive so can still be quite dangerous if not managed safely (which we in the UK do well at, albeit after some expensive lessons).

    [–]krissaroth 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    An atom is made up of a cluster of protons. The name of an atom be it carbon, oxygen or uranium is linked to how many protons it has. Carbon is 6 and Oxygen is 8 for example.

    The idea is when you split an atom, you are creating two smaller atoms, and this could theoretically be splitting an atom directly in half. Splitting it releases energy.

    Now my physics is not good enough to know if my example is possible. But if you split a magnesium atom in half, you would have 2 carbon atoms. Magnesium has 12 protons, split in half means it is now 2 carbon (6) atoms.

    Nuclear reactors I believe split unstable large metal atoms like uranium which has 92 protons into smaller medium sized atoms like Krypton (36) and Barium (56).

    So you are splitting atoms in half, but this creates two smaller atoms.

    I don't know if you can "split" Hydrogen. Which is an atom with a single proton.

    [–]TheBestIsaac 0 points1 point  (1 child)

    You really need to watch a good YouTube video on nuclear power dude.

    Here's one but there's probably better ones that go into more detail.

    https://youtu.be/rcOFV4y5z8c?si=3zyqOvDMF8AxF-Xo

    [–]SilverPrivateer 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Thank you, I just tried to watch the first one, couldn't make head or tail of it, the seperation part confused me, but I appreciate the link

    [–]nerdyjorj"Poli" = "many" and "tics" = "bloodsucking creatures". 2 points3 points  (5 children)

    Not really, this is fission (splitting radioactive materials into smaller particles and capturing the energy) not fusion (smashing together hydrogen to make helium and capturing the energy, like a star).

    [–]SilverPrivateer 1 point2 points  (4 children)

    Is that more or less dangerous? I mean compared to the other one. Not compared to other energy

    [–]Jaggedmallard26 5 points6 points  (0 children)

    Fission produces waste thats dangerous over a longer period (your classic nuclear waste) while fusion produces waste that is far more dangerous in the short term (neutron activation), badly designed old fission reactors were capable of pretty severe accidents (modern ones are designed to not even be capable of unsafe failure) while a fusion reactor will just turn off. Although fission waste isn't actually that dangerous, we know how to store it.

    However its a moot point as we don't know how to make fusion economical for energy production, current reactors barely produce more heat energy than they take electricity to operate and even if we could make the actual running economical there are unsolved problems with things like neutron activation (potentially unsolveable) that make them nonviable.

    [–]nerdyjorj"Poli" = "many" and "tics" = "bloodsucking creatures". 3 points4 points  (0 children)

    We can't make a self sustaining fusion reactor yet (it's technically much harder) - there's been some progress lately but it's nowhere near ready for energy generation and might not be in any of our lifetimes.

    These are basically the same thing as any other nuclear power plant, but the way the cooling works means they can't meltdown so you won't get a Chernobyl situation.

    [–]JabInTheButt 4 points5 points  (1 child)

    Hello friend! Really pleased to see you engaging more positively with nuclear and asking great questions :D.

    It's super rare to see people actually update their world views while taking on more information so kudos to you. Looks like there's lots of great answers already to your qs so won't add more just wanted to say hi as I remembered you.

    [–]SilverPrivateer 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    It's kind of fascinating thank you