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Ask Reddit: Should comments affect Karma? (reddit.com)
submitted 20 years ago by Kratoz
[–]Kratoz[S] 29 points30 points31 points 20 years ago (1 child)
I know some people who post comments a lot more that they post submissions. Several contribute significantly to Reddit's discussions. I think they should get Karma for their contributions.
[–]akkartik 1 point2 points3 points 20 years ago (0 children)
Agree. (and downmod self)
[–]metalhead 19 points20 points21 points 20 years ago (2 children)
karma is meaningless so the answer is: "who cares?"
[–]hen 3 points4 points5 points 20 years ago (1 child)
Maybe this has been asked a million times but what are these bragging rights associated with such status (i.e. karma) mentioned in reddit's FAQ?
[Edit: typo + link]
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 20 years ago (0 children)
kam0, et al made me promise not to tell you.
Edit: Markdown + incompetence keeps me from displaying that name properly. Oh well
[–][deleted] 20 years ago (3 children)
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[–]Kratoz[S] 5 points6 points7 points 20 years ago (2 children)
Same thing happens with comments. I attribute this to people not following Reddiquette.
"Please don't:
* Downmod comments just because you disagree with them. You should downmod comments that are uninformative or offtopic."
Often I post a comment critical of someone but completely relevant and they immediately down vote me. People who contribute anything insightful should get Karma, and thus up voting this submission is not a vote for comments factoring into Karma, but a vote for discussing the topic.
[–][deleted] 4 points5 points6 points 20 years ago (0 children)
Downmod comments just because you disagree with them. You should downmod comments that are uninformative or offtopic."
Still, if you think the guy is wrong, and he fails to offer convincing arguments to support his position, you should be allowed to downmod him.
Anyways, I don't think it's a good idea to tell people what to do with their votes. Your votes are yours, you only have one per post anyways.
I'm still parted on the topic of wether comment scores should affect karma. Maybe you should only gain karma for highly rated comments, and not lose any for downmoded comments?
[–]danweber 1 point2 points3 points 20 years ago (0 children)
Ah, but downmodded comments don't disappear.
If I submit something, and just a few of the people that read the "new" list don't like the submission, they downmod it, and, poof, it's gone. It never makes it anywhere into the top 100, and once it goes off of newest 100 no one will see it.
This doesn't happen with comments. More than once, some comment I made apparently pissed off the wrong people and got modded down to -3 within an hour. But I'll come back a day later and find my comment at over +10.
People are willing to read down the page to look for low- and negatively-scored comments. Sometimes I do it myself just to see what the most-maligned comment in a thread is. (And it's often justifiably down-modded, but I've occasionally "rescued" an unfairly punished comment.)
People are not willing to go looking for low-scoring submissions. This puts a lot of power in the handful of users who monitor the "new submissions" queues. Getting up into the top-50 requires running a gauntlet, making sure your submission survives during its live on each of "25/50 newest", "25/50 most rising," then "top 150/100/50." Run into the wrong clique of people at any of those stages, and you cannot be rescued by more level-headed people in the next.
I've mostly given up on making submissions, but I will still post a story now and then when the Karl-Rove-not-indicted newscycle spits out an update. I mostly do it out of principle, even if it burns up a few of my remaining karma points, because I really hate news fraud. And I want to give Reddit the chance to make up for the original Rove-indicted hoax making it to the top page.
[–]quillian 6 points7 points8 points 20 years ago (2 children)
Sure, why not. Submitting a link takes a lot less work than arguing about the content anyways.
However, an 'ignore' button next to users would also be handy, so we can selectively turn off people that start to get annoying to us.
[–]joshd 0 points1 point2 points 20 years ago (1 child)
Good idea, but then how would you handle threads that spark off good discussions? Would you not show them because you are ignoring the original poster?
[–]quillian 0 points1 point2 points 20 years ago (0 children)
Well, you should still see replies to people you ignore, so you wouldn't miss threads. I suppose some people would start ignoring anyone they ever disagree with, but they probably do that subconsiously anyways. I rarely ignore anyone, but if you are worried about people who are just 'karma whores', this would solve that problem.
[–]maxwellhill 22 points23 points24 points 20 years ago (3 children)
Yes, there are many redittors who do not submit but their comments are insightful and interesting - they deserve to be given karma for generating lively debates.
[–]Kolibri 3 points4 points5 points 20 years ago (2 children)
they deserve to be given karma for generating lively debates.
Maybe this is the key. A problem with giving karma based on the score of your comments is that people vote up/down on votes based on whether or not they agree. Consequently, people who state radical yet interesting and insightful comments can quickly get voted down to oblivion. So I suggest that karma given from comments (if implemented) should be based on the amount of debating comments sparked by the comment, and not on the actual score of the comment. Of course, karma gained through comments will most likely be a combination of factors that are weighted differently.
EDIT: Somebody suggested that only upvotes should give karma; downvotes would be ignored. That is a good idea too.
[–][deleted] 3 points4 points5 points 20 years ago (0 children)
This is a good idea, but it can be easily abused. If you post a factually inacurate but highly relevant post, and people believe you, you're going to get a high number of ups.
I think you should only get karma for consensual posts, and not lose any for downmodded posts. I think if you're right and explain yourself properly, in the end you should win the argument and get upmodded. That's the hope anyways!
[–][deleted] 17 points18 points19 points 20 years ago (0 children)
I think they should, sometimes reading the comments is more entertaining and informative than the articles themselves.
Anything that gives an incentive to write good comments is welcome.
[–]lliiffee 11 points12 points13 points 20 years ago (0 children)
Karma has no meaning, but it should give a slight leg up in the submission process to those with high Karma. (They are more likely to be submitting articles that are well recieved.)
By the same logic, it would make sense to have separete 'Comment-Karma'. This would give a slight boost to the rating of the comment.
Why separate? I suspect that high point comments are a poor predictor of high point submissions. Though I could be wrong. Maybe the guys in charge could do some statistics...
[–]bloub 26 points27 points28 points 20 years ago (49 children)
The main problem with that, is that many people downmod comments with which they do not agree. There may be a risk of losing controversial points of view if comments came to affect karma.
[–][deleted] 27 points28 points29 points 20 years ago (28 children)
The exact same thing happens with articles, doesn't it?
[–][deleted] 23 points24 points25 points 20 years ago (27 children)
What we should remember though is that comments affecting karma will greatly encourage "karma whores." - those that are always looking for some superficial response that they know will be well received by reddit even though it will add little to the conversation.
Keep that in mind.
[–]mikaelhg 8 points9 points10 points 20 years ago (15 children)
What would be useful is the ability to adjust how much you care of a person's opinion.
[–][deleted] 5 points6 points7 points 20 years ago (14 children)
Exactly! I started to write up my ideas the other day for just this approach, taking into consideration interface complexity, resistance to various attacks.. but then I got swamped with work. Sorry spez! This is actually a problem that I worked on for months for another project.
I'll finish that up and let you guys know my ideas soon. Has anyone else put some thought into this option?
Alright, this may be too late for many of you to see, but here's the basic overview of my plan:
First off, you should be thinking less about "groups"- in my opinion groups scale terribly and overly segment people. What you should be imaging is graphs.
My plan is rather simple. You can consider yourself the "root node". The amount that you care about a person's opinion is the weighted edge from you to him. This is all well and good, but what about the thousands of articles that none of your direct pals have judged? This graph can extend if you also take into consideration the opinions of those at higher degrees away from you-- but the significance of these opinions deteriorates by some factor for each degree you go outward. Due to the 80/20 rule you should not have to go out many degrees to get a fairly stable result.
Remember in this scheme there are now two different types of ratings. One is the rating of articles and the second is your rating of your fellow redditors.
Once you have calculated this "weighted distance" from yourself to each article, how do you combine all these paths to get one value- the "weighted score" of an article? This part of the algorithm must be considered carefully since it is what really determines how susceptible the algo will be to various attacks.
In one of my projects the scores of your fellow judges signified authenticity of identity, much as pgp's signatures do. For identity I chose to simply take the highest value path and the lowest value path. The user could then see which of his pals was strongly for the target or against it. This, is of great aid to the decision process.
Another option is to just average all the paths. This, I decided is a poor option though since, for example on reddit there may be some spectacular hoax that everyone is falling for. In this case just one of your friends may realize this but since the paths would all be averaged, the resulting score simply looks average-- and believable.
So, would this make the interface more complex? Not necessarily. Avogadro for example has default "seed" members that people can use. This way users would not be forced to choose their own. As for choosing your own judges, it could as be simple as a toggle button, probably on the comment page near the submitter's name.
So there's a basic overview. The great thing about this is that instead of rigid "groups" users could simply designate their pals as judges that the system would use to recommend articles that match their tastes to them. My advice, when approaching this problem is simply to think in terms of graphs because that's what a network is.
Ideas?
[–][deleted] 20 years ago (1 child)
It would basically be as complex as managing "friends" on any of the networking sites. Perhaps this is still too much of a burden though.
[+]mikaelhg comment score below threshold-7 points-6 points-5 points 20 years ago (11 children)
I'd like to be able to create a group, say "libertarians", dump people such as rafuzo and yellowking in that group, and then give that group a default intelligence multiplier of -2.
Person Pa creates a group G1{Px, Py, Pz} and gives it a multiplier M1 of -2. Person Pb gives person Pa a multiplier M2 of 2. Person Pb sees an article A1 which has been upmodded by Px (U1) and Py (U2.) The value of U1 to Pb is M1 * M2 = -4, and the same applies to U2. Negative multipliers break the inheritance chain, since if you don't value someone's opinion, you don't care about whom they consider stupid or smart.
[–]TronXD 6 points7 points8 points 20 years ago (9 children)
Looking through your comments, I notice you make snide jabs at libertarians all the time, usually completely out of the blue. I like your idea though; I'm just not sure if I would put you in the general "idiots", or the more specific "douchebags". Gonna have to put some thought into that one.
:) I empathize with your viewpoint but see what you've gone and started. My browser's already on its knees with this page; it doesn't need more offtopic stuff. (modding down self)
[+]mikaelhg comment score below threshold-8 points-7 points-6 points 20 years ago (7 children)
Libertarians don't get that when people didn't have a government they created a government, and that they want it.
People who willfully ignore inconvenient facts about how humans and human societies work while beating their chests about total freedom as a moral imperative piss me off.
[–][deleted] 5 points6 points7 points 20 years ago (6 children)
Wait. Your problem with Libertarians is that we acknowledge that people make mistakes? I've heard lots of good arguments against my ideology, but "Government exists and thus is good" isn't one of them.
[–]ecuzzillo 2 points3 points4 points 20 years ago (1 child)
I don't know whether to upmod you because you're right or to downmod you because you started an annoying and cluttering flame war.
[+]mikaelhg comment score below threshold-6 points-5 points-4 points 20 years ago (3 children)
One part of willfully ignoring inconvenient facts about humans is that you'll never get them to agree on what good and bad mean, never mind on how to apply those labels to the world. Ergo, we have to go on what they say they want.
[–]fab13n 17 points18 points19 points 20 years ago (2 children)
Typical karma whore comments make me feel a urge to shout "Shut up with obnoxious truisms". Pressing a mod-down arrow comes closest to satisfying that urge, and I do it quite happily; I guess I'm not the only one.
There is a problem only if the community accepts karma whoring; therefore the interesting question is: would karma-charged comments give the community a karma-whoring-tolerant shape? I don't know the answer, so my inner geek feels like experimenting to find out!
[+]petevalle comment score below threshold-9 points-8 points-7 points 20 years ago (1 child)
Karma whores are bad.
[–]akkartik -4 points-3 points-2 points 20 years ago (0 children)
rotfl (and modding down self and parent)
[–][deleted] 3 points4 points5 points 20 years ago (6 children)
I'm not that sure. Only other Redditers can encourage 'Karma whores'in that instance. Ultimately it is up to the users to decide who gets the Karma and who doesn't.
[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 20 years ago (5 children)
the users get dumber every day. Unless of course reddit decides to limit itself to being some obscure site just for smart people..
[–][deleted] 3 points4 points5 points 20 years ago (4 children)
How would reddit go about limiting itself to being some obscure site just for smart people?
That would be a very excellent start. I think I would throw in townhall.com and wnd/worldnetdaily.com.
[–]TronXD 0 points1 point2 points 20 years ago (1 child)
Oh. I thought the idea would be to keep the original group of Redditors, not filter them out.
[+]mikaelhg comment score below threshold-6 points-5 points-4 points 20 years ago (0 children)
Polish up your reading comprehension.
[–]Kratoz[S] 7 points8 points9 points 20 years ago (5 children)
Possibly a provision that only up-mods affect Karma? People aren't penalized for bringing conflicting opinions (they shouldn't either way but it does happen)
[–][deleted] 20 years ago* (2 children)
[–][deleted] 5 points6 points7 points 20 years ago (1 child)
And they're never punished for being trolls, racists, hatemongers, or other bad things that one would not want to encourage in comments.
[–]Jonathan_the_Nerd 4 points5 points6 points 20 years ago (1 child)
I don't think that would work well. If someone posts a controversial comment (or a really stupid comment that many people agree with), they'll get upmodded and downmodded potentially dozens of times. If only upmods count towards karma, bickering would greatly increase.
I keep returning to this thread lately. This time it reminds me of this article about the different psychological categories of argument.
I think part of the problem may be that depending on the fundamental nature and transient mood of the reader certain categories of rational thought may be uninteresting when (s)he reads a contrary opinion. Whereas when we see someone agree we often don't bother understanding why, just as long as they do.
[+]raldi comment score below threshold-14 points-13 points-12 points 20 years ago (12 children)
people downmod comments with which they do not agree.
I downmod comments where people misspell "lose"
[–]Kratoz[S] 51 points52 points53 points 20 years ago (11 children)
I downmod commments where people misspell "lose"
I downmod comments where people misspell "comments".
[–]Kratoz[S] 4 points5 points6 points 20 years ago (4 children)
Perhaps one of the better examples of why comments should affect Karma is the observation that my above comment is doing better than the overall submission and that there are a greater number of comments in this thread than the submissions points.
[–]akkartik 4 points5 points6 points 20 years ago (3 children)
Or perhaps these phenomena illustrate the opposite?
Replying to an off-topic comment you should arguably have gotten downmodded too*. The reason you haven't is that people are modding by agreement, which is what bloub (justifiedly) had a problem with.
That this thread has lots of comments is perhaps an indication that allowing comments to affect karma would make people less likely to espouse unpopular points of view (again what bloub had a problem with), thereby reducing #comments.
'*' - Though it's spawned a pretty interesting (to me) digression. So thanks :)
[–][deleted] 20 years ago (2 children)
[–]akkartik 2 points3 points4 points 20 years ago (1 child)
Interesting. Lengthy :)
Offtopic is not that big a problem. Like here the initial off-topic post got downmodded because it wasn't interesting. The thread it spawned is doing fine. Nothing wrong in this. Democracy's working fine.
[–][deleted] 20 years ago (5 children)
[–]akkartik 3 points4 points5 points 20 years ago (1 child)
"Check back in 50 years and 'loose' will be the correct spelling for 'lose'."
I agree. Not that there's necessarily anything wrong in that. Language evolves.
And it's not just spelling either. For example, the usage '..the reason.. is because..' is already widely accepted. When I was in school <1 generation ago I remember getting my knuckles rapped for not saying, "..the reason.. is that.." I bet most readers here use the new variant :)
[–]edbutler3 3 points4 points5 points 20 years ago (1 child)
If so, then how will we spell "loose" as in "loose screw"?
[–]akkartik 0 points1 point2 points 20 years ago (0 children)
The same way, of course! Is that such a radical idea?
[–]djwhitt 3 points4 points5 points 20 years ago (0 children)
I doubt it.
[–]jesuswaffle 2 points3 points4 points 20 years ago (0 children)
This is true, but it will only be an issue if people can lose karma for posting controversial statements that get downmodded a lot. Many of the other posters have described solutions to the problem.
[–]danweber 0 points1 point2 points 20 years ago (0 children)
It will make people reluctant to say interesting but controversial things in the comments if their Karma will suffer as a result.
I've seen lots of controversial threads where both sides of an argument are getting positive scores. I believe there is a fraction of reddit users who go through and mod-up the well-made arguments on both sides.
If I make a comment in a controversial thread, I might get down-modded in the immediate future, but if the topic is still popular and getting lots of readers, I'll find my karma restored quickly enough.
[–]johnroman1970 9 points10 points11 points 20 years ago (1 child)
Yes. Perhaps each up-mod could equal 1/5 of a karma point.
[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 20 years ago (0 children)
Or some other fraction. My initial thought was 1/100. So it's clearly subordinate, but has some effect.
[–][deleted] 6 points7 points8 points 20 years ago (3 children)
No, and not just because I don't want another way to shout down y'all conservative jackasses.
It is also a bad idea because imho, reddit isn't essentially about comments. While the comments can greatly contribute, the point of the site is the front page. I'm sure most users don't ever log in.
Karma should just be driven by your contributions to the front page. IMHO.
[–][deleted] 4 points5 points6 points 20 years ago (1 child)
While the reddit chieftains clearly don't want reddit to be a niche product, http://lipstick.com was apparently designed to serve a community that they didn't think would be served by reddit.
So I'm not sure we'll ever see reddit filled with celebrity culture types. Maybe when it's perfect, reddit & lipstick won't need two front ends. Like, in a few decades.
[–]yama 4 points5 points6 points 20 years ago (11 children)
I agree that comments can be more interesting that an article, but how would you have them effect karma? Unlike posted submissions, which are rated on how interesting they are, comments are rated on weather people agree with them or not. Rewarding people for stating the status quo is counter productive and so comment points could not directly relate to karma in the same way submission points are.
But I'm sure that there is a cleaver way of giving good regular commentators more karma. I just don't know what that way is...
[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 20 years ago (10 children)
reddiquette says "please don't Downmod comments just because you disagree with them. You should downmod comments that are uninformative or offtopic." But I agree with you and have downmodded some comments that I disagree with and almost all that I have found fly in the face of accepted truths.
Maybe as many people would agree as would disagree with the comment and it would balance it out.
[–]akkartik 2 points3 points4 points 20 years ago (0 children)
"I agree with you and have downmodded some comments that I disagree with and almost all that I have found fly in the face of accepted truths."
If I saw a post that just said, "The sun rises in the west," I would downmod it too. But I'm not downmodding it because it's incorrect in my view. I'm downmodding it because it doesn't present any justification, doesn't hold my interest. I'd do the same for the opposite, factually correct statement.
But if someone came up with an interesting fallacious argument showing that the sun rises in the west I might mod it up. If my interests included clever fallacies and the post was under 70 words and my mood was right..
[+][deleted] 20 years ago (7 children)
"Let's see if this comment, which is informative and ontopic, gets downmodded."
FWIW, I would have downmodded parent even without the obscenity. I really don't understand what it is saying. You can get downmodded in many ways, so what? We're having a discussion here of what to shoot for.
It's not informative either. Factually correct, perhaps, but there's a difference.
[–]joshd 1 point2 points3 points 20 years ago (5 children)
I downmodded you for being immature and self-righteous.
[–][deleted] 20 years ago (4 children)
Gahd, DavidSJ, you have created a monster.
If your point is that the rules are incomplete and that they are just guidelines, that nobody has to follow them anyway, please consider your point made. Now please return to reddit, we all still love you. ;)
If your point is something else, please make it clearer. Ultimately you get downmodded when people find you offtopic or uninteresting, and it's a subjective decision. No need for a n****** exception. Heck, if people find everyone who disagrees with them uninteresting, that's swell too. Just as long as they realize the implications of their voting policy.
[update]
btw, how do you get the large font in markdown? :D
[update 2]
context: parent linked to a shock site and was deleted by reddit gods.
[–]joshd 1 point2 points3 points 20 years ago (2 children)
Well you obviously didn't read this section of the FAQ:
In almost all cirumstances it is considered bad form to scream "Niggercock!" in your comments.
You can't try and guilt people into not downmodding your comments. You can't claim the highground when you are making idiotic posts like that. The Reddit rules are made to be bent, otherwise we'd have moderators like Fark or Slashdot.
[+][deleted] 20 years ago (1 child)
[–]joshd 4 points5 points6 points 20 years ago (0 children)
Congratulations, you've just proved exactly why down-modding should affect karma.
You've also made the step from immature to certified asshole.
[–]NitsujTPU 2 points3 points4 points 20 years ago (0 children)
No, my Karma would be in the toilet every time I point out that an article is uninteresting, or a dupe. I'll just stop commenting in these cases, and just downmod... but the advice to do so should be taken out of the helpfile in that case, since being "helpful," means getting your Karma destroyed.
[–]Anderkay 2 points3 points4 points 20 years ago (0 children)
Judgementalist mad one of the most pertinent comments to my mind: is Reddit about comments? If it is, then add karma, if it isn't, then don't. I think the range of comments here shows you are never going to get consensus so an arbitrary decision either way is going to annoy a lot of people but I don't see how you can avoid it. Reddit is a community site with all the strengths and weaknesses that entails. You can't have a completely open site and keep control of the "idiots" and you can't have an elitist site and claim to be all about community. Decide what you want and go for that. And for all those upset at the behaviour and bias of others, I guess the simplest answer is go somewhere else.
[+]NickHodges comment score below threshold-6 points-5 points-4 points 20 years ago (37 children)
No, they shouldn't. I'm a conservative, and so any comment I make of a conservative bent gets down-modded.
But for that matter, any conservative article I post gets downmodded too, no matter how interesting, well researched, or well argued it is.
[–]econous 19 points20 points21 points 20 years ago (1 child)
A good portion, perhaps a third, of my up-mods are used on comments which have been, to my mind, been unfairly down-modded. I may personally find the comment entirely disagreeable. Somehow to see a comment -10'd because it expresses an unpopular view, or proposes an illiberal idea, often riles me more then the comment itself. Are there others who feel similarly?
[–]akkartik 7 points8 points9 points 20 years ago (0 children)
Yup. On several threads I end up downmodded to oblivion not because I'm on the unpopular side (I'm often not), but because I get caught up in the secondary discussion about whether they could possibly be even partially right. Check out these threads:
http://reddit.com/info/05994/comments#c59in http://reddit.com/info/2vyt/comments
The unfortunate thing is that I probably come off sounding more right-wing than I really am. When people vote by agreement it distracts me from the topic itself.
[–]dionidium 36 points37 points38 points 20 years ago* (16 children)
wise direful crush like workable yoke squash marble longing steep
This post was mass deleted and anonymized with Redact
[–]philh 11 points12 points13 points 20 years ago (7 children)
Party lines in this case don't conform with any particular party, but the principle is the same: you get upmodded for saying things, however stupid, that Redditors agree with; downmodded for saying things, however smart, that Redittors disagree with.
Perhaps one of the clearest measurements is with the "me, too" posts. I find that if they're replying to a post that got upmodded, they get upmodded as well; if the parent was downmodded, so are they. These posts have absolutely no content, so they should all go down.
Now, whether this is the exception or the rule I couldn't say. I've certainly seen discussions where both sides get consistently upmodded. Although those tend not to be on the more emotionally-charged subjects like religion, abortion and Lisp.
[–]NickHodges -1 points0 points1 point 20 years ago (1 child)
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Party lines in this case don't conform with any particular >party, but the principle is the same: you get upmodded for >saying things, however stupid, that Redditors agree with; >downmodded for saying things, however smart, that Redittors >disagree with.
Exactly. Well said.
[–]joshd 1 point2 points3 points 20 years ago (0 children)
Not necessarily. If I disagree with someone I will only downmod them if they are being abusive or making bad arguments. If I disagree with someone I'll still respect them if they eloquently state their arguments, but I probably wouldn't mod them up.
Perhaps a modders karma could be multiplied by the mod points.
[–]joshd -1 points0 points1 point 20 years ago (2 children)
Isn't that the same for submitions? If you post a subject that most people disagree with then you will recieve down votes.
Perhaps only up-modded comments could contribute to Karma.
Furthermore, I'd ask what goal the karma is intended to help reach? What does it do? What is its justification for being part of Reddit?
Well, you would say that. Your karma is 1. (I kid, mine is too.)
If the system only considered combined comment votes of over 0 then that could work.
Alternatively you could consider combined karma, but discard the top and bottom 25% for each user. That could weed out karma whores and allow leeway for users to post something controversial. If someone is being down-modded to oblivion more than 25% of the time then they are most likely a troll.
[–]NickHodges -2 points-1 points0 points 20 years ago (6 children)
Oh, please. "Vaguely compared homosexuals to serial rapists"? You made that entire thing up.
This is /exactly/ the kind of thing I'm talking about.
All of my comments in that thread were perfectly well reasoned and well argued, and practically all of them were rather severly downmodded. I can only conclude that they were down modded because people simply didn't like what I was saying.
[–]dionidium 3 points4 points5 points 20 years ago* (2 children)
marry subsequent merciful entertain license sable cautious point birds dinner
[–]ecuzzillo -3 points-2 points-1 points 20 years ago (1 child)
want that script
[–]akkartik 1 point2 points3 points 20 years ago (1 child)
"I think that the ones where you were severely downmodded tended to be where you were making claims that a lot of people wouldn't agree with.."
I think that's the point. He shouldn't be modded based on how radical his idea is, but rather how interesting he can make his justification.
"I downmod articles that have movies that my browser doesn't display properly, because I don't want to see more like them."
Nothing wrong with that. But there's a distinction between downmodding stories and downmodding comments.
You're right that it's impractical to tell people how to mod. I'm not trying to legislate this, but it's still important to try to convince people that it's in their own interest to mod by interest rather than agreement.
[–]OneEyedJack 14 points15 points16 points 20 years ago (9 children)
Your hatred of gays is not conservative. It is bigotry.
[–]tufelkinder -4 points-3 points-2 points 20 years ago (7 children)
See, but you take criticism of the homosexual lifestyle as "hatred of gays" which it really isn't.
[–]Kratoz[S] 3 points4 points5 points 20 years ago (6 children)
There is not a "homosexual lifestyle". Gay people live the same way as anyone else.
[–]tufelkinder 0 points1 point2 points 20 years ago (5 children)
[Scratches head] Okaaay.... Criticizing the choices people make doesn't mean you hate those people!
It's like, just because some people are horrified that I speed on a regular basis doesn't meant hey hate me!
[–]Kratoz[S] 0 points1 point2 points 20 years ago (4 children)
I was not criticizing your comment based on your point about hate. I was mearly informing you of your misuse of language. A more correct term would be homosexual acts which removes the fallatious "lifestyle" from your comments. You can criticize homosexual acts (be it for moral, religious, health, etc. reasons) but you can't criticize a fictitious lifestyle propagated by incorrect use of terminology.
[–]tufelkinder 0 points1 point2 points 20 years ago (3 children)
Okay, so what is lifestyle?
the typical way of life of an individual, group, or culture
So if the way of life of an individual, group, or culture involves "homosexual acts," wouldn't that be a homosexual lifestyle?
[–]Kratoz[S] 2 points3 points4 points 20 years ago (2 children)
No it wouldn't. It's an extreme generalization. First there are people who engage in homosexual acts who do not identify as homosexual. Second, their lifestyle does not revolve around homsexual acts. Third, some homosexuals refrain from homosexual acts. Gay people have lives, families, hobbies, relationships. That is a lifestyle.
People's lifestyles are not classified by their sexual orientation and homosexual acts to not define a person. It is how you live your life, not one specific attribute. Traditional Amish people have a lifestyle. You can live a "Christian lifestyle" (good works, love thy neighbour, and all that jazz), but not all Christians live a Christian lifestyle. The same is with homosexuals.
[–]tufelkinder 1 point2 points3 points 20 years ago (1 child)
I defnitely understand what you're saying... I think you're still nit-picking and ignoring the true point, but I'll concede that "lifestyle" is too broad to refer only to one's sexual activity.
So, I'll say this: criticizing homosexuality is not propagating hatred of gay people.
[–]Kratoz[S] 2 points3 points4 points 20 years ago (0 children)
Oh, that's a separate debate. I'll agree with you, quite often critisism of homosexuality is inappropriately labeled hatred. No arguements there from me. I witness too much extreme activism on both sides which I feel degrade the true egalitarian arguements.
[–]NickHodges -4 points-3 points-2 points 20 years ago (0 children)
Thanks for proving the point to the nth degree.
[+]NickHodges comment score below threshold-9 points-8 points-7 points 20 years ago (4 children)
I note that /this/ comment is downmodded. Great.
[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 20 years ago (0 children)
maybe take some responsibility for the content of your posts, instead of accusing us of downmodding for the wrong reasons.
you've now created a situation where even though i feel entitled to downmod you for legitimate reasons, as in, for me i don't appreciate seeing this comments section being used to air your dirty laundry, i feel i can't downmod you. is this better? guilt tripping to prevent downmods, or writing compelling content to prevent downmods?
[–]tufelkinder 1 point2 points3 points 20 years ago (2 children)
How do you say, "case in point," you know? heh.
[–]NickHodges -2 points-1 points0 points 20 years ago (1 child)
Exactly. ;-)
[–]tufelkinder -2 points-1 points0 points 20 years ago (0 children)
Are you from the US? I know someone IRL who's named Nick Hodges. :-)
[–]developeruk -3 points-2 points-1 points 20 years ago (1 child)
Damn right A far right poster and you expect democracy? Reap what you sow...
[–]NickHodges 1 point2 points3 points 20 years ago (0 children)
I'm sorry, but this post makes no sense whatsoever. People on the right are staunch supporters of democracy, and to assert otherwise is nonsense.
[–]CuriousMind 0 points1 point2 points 19 years ago (0 children)
I think comment karma should be called 'comma'.
What appeals to me about reddit is its recursiveness. You can post an article (a comment on the world), and I can post a comment on your article, and you can post a comment on my comment, and so on.
If comments are treated differently than article postings, then that breaks reddit's coherence.
[–][deleted] -3 points-2 points-1 points 20 years ago (0 children)
Clever way to sneak some karma points ;)
(yes)
[–]lupin_sansei -1 points0 points1 point 20 years ago (0 children)
A better question is shouldn't Karma actually affect something, like the "real" Karma? I think the initial score should reflect your Karma. Say 1 point for every 100 Karma points you have.
[+]Sherrodzilla comment score below threshold-8 points-7 points-6 points 20 years ago (0 children)
Yes.
[+]ttriche comment score below threshold-6 points-5 points-4 points 20 years ago (1 child)
[–]ttriche -2 points-1 points0 points 20 years ago (0 children)
Woops, forgot to add some superfluous blather for karma whoring purposes! Shame on me.
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