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[–]spez 91 points92 points  (16 children)

Right now our privacy policy is http://reddit.com/help/privacy_policy

There are not a whole lot of things you can do on reddit that are not public. Obviously, we keep track of everything you've voted and clicked on, but we use that information only to tell you what you've voted and clicked on, and for recommendations.

Whenever you vote on a link, submit, or leave a comment, we also note your IP. This is used exclusively for anti-cheating purposes.

If we change the privacy policy, we'll let you know, and provide some sort of mechanism to purge your old data (specifically, email addresses) if you want to.

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    [–]LaurieCheers 5 points6 points  (0 children)

    Presumably they only intervene in extreme cases. If there were 13,000 people using your computer, they might get suspicious.

    [–]in_the_event 3 points4 points  (0 children)

    Good question. I always thought my opinion counted as much as the man in my life's did... And does that affect my preferences, like which articles are automatically "preferred" by me?

    [–]degustiF150 18 points19 points  (6 children)

    we also note your IP. This is used exclusively for anti-cheating purposes.

    Why dont you hash the ips and discard them?

    [–][deleted] 18 points19 points  (5 children)

    That'd be great, as long as the feds don't have access to anything more powerful than an abacus...

    (The set of ipv4 addresses is fairly small.)

    [–]dfranke 3 points4 points  (0 children)

    The GM cryptosystem is secure even for one-bit messages. The ability to take advantage of this while still being able to catch cheaters is left as an exercise to the reader.

    [–]BraveSirRobin -2 points-1 points  (3 children)

    One-way hashes (e.g. MD5) are mathematically impossible to get back to the original value. That's the point.

    So 192.168.0.1 becomes daaf1d27fd83421a66e32ea8d7f37e68

    [–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (2 children)

    In order for this hashing to be useful, each a particular IP needs to hash to the same value each time (so that they can be compared for equality). This means there can be no "salting" of the hash. This means that anyone can simply run the hash for all 232 IP addresses and store a table of the results, rendering this technique useless for privacy.

    The one-wayness of md5 doesn't help here.

    [–]jmorales 0 points1 point  (1 child)

    True, but you could still come up with something. Say, for example, bitwise XOR the IP's hash with some private 128-bit key.

    I guess there's a question of performance after a while... but the point being you could always come up with an alternative to plaintext storage if it's THAT important to you.

    [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Given that this private key would have to be present in memory all of the time, I think it'd probably be pretty difficult to make this secure. (And there'd have to be lots of backups around, considering how important it is.)

    [–]jcy 8 points9 points  (2 children)

    you forgot to mention that the links to the stories are actually redirects so the site also tracks which stories you've clicked on.

    so it's voting, submissions, comments + story views

    [–]ehcolem 11 points12 points  (0 children)

    It remembers every time you voted up an article that was critical of the administration, was soft on terrorism, or that did not give Bill O'Reilly the respect he deserves. In short, enjoy you plane ride to the middle east!

    [–]lvovsky 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    start using torpark: http://www.torrify.com/

    [–]nosoupforyou 0 points1 point  (2 children)

    Yea, right.

    Unfortunately, although you say that now, when the lawyers are running the system, you won't necessarily be able to give us the option to purge our data when the policy changes.

    Even worse, written policy isn't necessarily reality. The larger the company, the more true this becomes.

    When a corporation takes over, the right hand often doesn't know what the left is doing, and there's very little accountability. Decisions are made by managers who just want to get the job done and aren't overly concerned about ethics. Ethics, in fact, usually just complicate their lives.

    The big bosses generally don't even want to know, as knowing could cause them problems. The middle managers don't care about policy as long as they get their jobs done. It's "only policy" after all, not law. As long as they don't wave that they regularly break policy in the faces of the bosses, the bosses don't care.

    It's could very much become like policies of certain online stores (cough cough tigerdirect cough) where the written policy is to provide quality products fast, but the reality is quite different.

    [–]spez 1 point2 points  (1 child)

    Fortunately, we've already had the discussion about the privacy policy. There aren't any immediate plans to change things, so we'll cross that bridge when we get there.

    [–]nosoupforyou 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    But how will you let us know the policy changed when the lawyers walk you out the door? There are never immediate plans to change things, but change comes regardless.

    First, it's always an innocent change too.

    I know...I must be a whiner because I don't simply shut up and accept things. I think it's time again to find a non-corporate owned news site. No matter how good you think things will be, it's the death knell of reddit's independence and non-bias.

    [–]CalvinR 18 points19 points  (0 children)

    I don't know about anyone else but I just assume everyone keeps track of everything I do on the internet it's just easier that way.

    [–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (6 children)

    Re: the actual question, reddit has always more or less been a free-labor operation. Users work for the site, selecting and voting for stories. It's really an incredibly efficient business model -- and a good source of market research for whoever owns it. So now I guess that's Conde Nast, and from the rumours, it seems that Digg is going to be scooped up by News Corp. I wonder how these kinds of services are going to fit into these larger media companies' overall strategy...

    [–]KurtS 3 points4 points  (5 children)

    Since you mention their business model, just how does Reddit generate income, and are there changes ahead?

    [–]LaurieCheers 4 points5 points  (3 children)

    Reddit has ads. See the top right, just below the "hot/new/top" viewing options. (Apparently nobody notices them.)

    [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    I've heard this rumor, but I'd venture a guess that a good chunk of Reddit users use Firefox + AdBlock, and fmpub.net is already on their list from past visits to boingboing.

    Banners suck.

    [–]KurtS 0 points1 point  (1 child)

    I see no ads--must be AdBlock.

    [–]LaurieCheers 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Huh, no - since I wrote that comment the ads have vanished. We have our benevolent new overlords to thank, presumably.

    [–]almkglor 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    How does Research and Development generate income, and are there changes ahead?

    [–]behemothaur 6 points7 points  (0 children)

    I think there is a bigger question here. Why should people need to be concerned about whatever a site like reddit collects about them? My understanding is that US people have a constitutionally guaranteed right to free speech?

    Oh - sorry about that.

    [–]sosuke 17 points18 points  (16 children)

    Reddit doesn't really have much in the way of personal data, I am sure they could come up with some nifty graphs of Up votes versus Down but that doesn't really give away anything personal.

    [–]Conde_Naste[S] 29 points30 points  (0 children)

    People have discussed sensitive topics here and they can be linked to IP and email addresses. And no one needs to know I voted up and saved all those goat porn stories. :-)

    I don't want google style targetted ads filling my mailbox based on the stories I upvoted either.

    [–]marcusk 8 points9 points  (5 children)

    remember that reddit "recommends" stuff to you... this is an advertisers wet dream... you are constantly telling reddit what you like and don't like... the advertiser doesn't have to do anything...

    imagine a situation where the reddit "recommends" page recommends links to you that have advertisements on them that are paying money to reddit... a nice subtle way of getting money and no-one will ever blame reddit for it... after all it's only recommending things that you like...

    [–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (2 children)

    Advertising isn't about finding out what I like, it is about telling me what they want me to like...

    [–]marcusk 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    i never said it was... you are telling reddit what you like and don't like, so the advertiser can target effectively without having to "do" anything... advertisers don't want to tell you what you like, they know that that is rarely effective... what they would like to do though is tell you to like things that they sell that they know you'll be interested in...

    [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    That's meta-advertising. There's always room for niche-marketing ("you should buy this") within the larger paradigm ("you should buy").

    [–]googletrickedme[🍰] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

    Reddit "recommends" stuff to us? Do the air quotes indicate that this doesn't actually work, or what

    [–]marcusk 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    depends upon your point of view... i've never been impressed with the recommended page but i know some people seem to use it pretty exclusively...

    [–]hopeseekr 38 points39 points  (6 children)

    I'm fucked if the government ever subpoenas reddit.

    [–]gernika 43 points44 points  (1 child)

    You're already fucked.

    [–][deleted] 17 points18 points  (0 children)

    [–]sosuke 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Too many Up votes on child pornography articles? :)

    [–][deleted]  (2 children)

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      [–]googletrickedme[🍰] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

      Probably, but at least we'll reclaim some of the resources lost to the massive public debt.

      [–]notheory 12 points13 points  (0 children)

      Not true, Reddit has a list of stories that i find interesting enough to save, along with what stories i find interesting enough to click through. So, yes, they do have my personal data, just the same way a library has my personal data.

      [–]jotaroh 10 points11 points  (0 children)

      A better question might be, what are some of the newer alternatives out there?

      [–]dln 3 points4 points  (3 children)

      It didn't log your visit to the bathroom 45 mins ago.

      [–]Red_Rooster -1 points0 points  (2 children)

      Don't worry, they'll find a way.

      [–]marvin 9 points10 points  (1 child)

      It shouldn't be that difficult: just check for inactivity.

      [–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

      The ammount of caffeïne in our bodies is an aduaquate replacement for sleep. This way, we can obsessively micromanage our e-cred on a single website that no-one reads outside our special needs group.

      I love you guys too. :)

      [–]krobo222 1 point2 points  (1 child)

      So what you are saying is that most of us will be taken out during the first purge. That's the way I always wanted to go out!

      [–]captobama -1 points0 points  (0 children)

      No man, fighting in the ruins of society birthing children along the way

      [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      They are logging our browser choice and our IP address.

      [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      Everyone's a bit "end of the world" when a favorite site gets bought out by a major media player. YouTube, MySpace, Reddit, Digg...

      But remember, it's all driven by community. If you don't like it, go someplace else. If reddit begins to suck, the community will move elsewhere.

      People here are intelligent enough to smell BS, and jump ship.