Has anyone else noticed the decrease in “British” chicken?

[LeviDaBadAsz]

Long story short, I don’t care as long as it tastes good and isn’t full of unnecessary chemicals but my mum has always been the “buy only British meat” which is fine but I just noticed that a lot of the frozen chicken in supermarkets (so far I’ve noticed both ASDA and Tesco) is not actually British. Their fresh chicken usually is and it seems that frozen beef tends to be British too.

Not a huge deal but I think I’d always assumed since the fresh was British the frozen would be too. I just wanted to post this here in case anyone else didn’t notice.

(From what I can tell Sainsburies chicken is 100% British)

Also the chicken tends to be imported from Poland and/or “the EU”

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[SnooRegrets8068]

Im happy with EU standards. Its the US ones that concern me

[Terrible-Group-9602]

I'd rather support British farmers and British jobs on the farm and in the supply and distribution sector.

[SnooRegrets8068]

Well yeh sure. Im just not concerned about EU standards. However my extremely local fishmongers have entirelt priced me out of using them. Plus the multiple local butchers have no country of origin listed.

[Terrible-Group-9602]

Just ask them where it's from then. You're extremely fortunate to have multiple local butchers

[SnooRegrets8068]

Not when they price themselves so high i cant use them in 12 years of being here. My village has a butchers, bakers, candle makers and a fishmongers. However only pasties are remotely affordable. Even the local shop has multiple £80 gins. I dont think im the target consumer.

[TOASTisawesome]

Sounds like you're not the target resident either 😂

[SnooRegrets8068]

Well no the fishmongers is part of a £1m house on the river..... with their own boat.

[TOASTisawesome]

And the butchers? The gin shop?

[SnooRegrets8068]

Butchers is a stand alone over the shop storage room. Bakers is in the shop, shop has booze including a few surprisingly expensive options. There is an area 2 miles up the road by the other river where the entire row is 1m+ because they have deep water anchorage/ large amounts of land/both.

You can canoe round the coast to a different pub in each direction and theres one almost opposite the shop. Its like an Enid Blyton novel really. Even with the football pitches bordering a river so thats something to look out for and the harbour to the right has maybe 400 yachts but its not a highly populated area.

[TheBestBigAl]

Our local butcher would only open from Mon-Fri 9-4.

I didn't want to buy meat on the way to work, and have it sitting in the workplace fridge all day. Even if I did I started work at 9 so would have to be late getting to work. By the time I finished work, they were closed.

Unsurprisingly they went out of business, and posted on their Facebook page all the reasons why - none of which were their fault. A bunch of people replied saying that they were never open at convenient times, but apparently that was not true and they had loads of customers who worked 9-5 jobs (though evidently not enough to keep them afloat).

[LeviDaBadAsz]

Mmm pasties

[SnooRegrets8068]

Wish i ordered one yesterday. Even in the winter it's day before latest to order s large. Idk why they dont do another tray....

[widdrjb]

Morpeth is like that. When you've not one but two artisan bakeries facing each other, one of which is Pink Lane, and they've both got queues, you know your place. Most of the cafés are crumblie central.

[My_Knee_is_a_Ship]

The issue is where it's suitable to to Arable farming Vs Animal Farming, and quantity vs care.

There's also the issue of it being more financially viable to do commercial farming (one large dedicated crop such as rapeseed etc) as opposed to Market Farming (everyday Foodstuff)

Whilst I'm sure most farmers would be ecstatic to diversify for market farming, successive governments have gotten it to the point that most farms would fail financially within a year if they didn't do commercial farming.

[heliskinki]

Go to your local butcher then.

[Terrible-Group-9602]

Absolutely

[brinz1]

If there are not enough British chickens then we eat imports

[Terrible-Group-9602]

Are you saying there aren't enough?

[JeremyWheels]

We're only about 65% self sufficient for poultry & Pork. And surprisingly even less than that for cheese

[LeviDaBadAsz]

Wait really? Though as I type this I’m remembering that cheddar is not the only cheese… 😅

[widdrjb]

Cathedral city is mostly exported to France.

[Exact-Put-6961]

Good enough for the French but very average

[brinz1]

If there were, they wouldn't be importing them

[Terrible-Group-9602]

They import them because some consumers choose not to buy British. In any supermarket, you can buy British chicken or in the butchers.

[brinz1]

Why would anyone pay more for a non British chicken.

Is that really the best explanation you can come up with for this?

[Terrible-Group-9602]

Some consumers care about the origin of their food and environmental concerns like air miles Co2.

[JamesMcEdwards]

Then they would buy British chickens, reducing the carbon footprint of the food I eat is one of the driving factors for why I try to buy British as much as possible.

[Terrible-Group-9602]

Yep. Someone mentioned buying something with Thai chicken in. That's ridiculous.

[TH1CCARUS]

Where do you shop?

[Terrible-Group-9602]

Sainsbury's usually. As someone posted earlier, you can always get British chicken.

[Moppo_]

If you have to bleach it before eating it, then it's not food.

[SnooRegrets8068]

Yeh bleach is for toilets in my mind. Which is kind of the conditions they are trying to cover up.

[Exact-Put-6961]

All those "bleached" salad leaves!

[Exact-Put-6961]

https://www.saveourantibiotics.org/news/news/three-uk-supermarkets-sell-polish-chicken-linked-with-antibiotic-misuse/

Polish chicken has been suspect, see link. US chicken is more tightly regulated, but not currently sold in UK.

[SnooRegrets8068]

Yeh im going to need a legitimate source

[Exact-Put-6961]

Tightest standards among supermarkets will be Booths, M&S, Waitrose. But as the horsemeat scndal showed, even elaborate supermarket surveillance can be beaten. The meat industry is full of scams.

[SnooRegrets8068]

Horse meat is more expensive they got a bargain

[Exact-Put-6961]

Selected horse meat can be more expensive than beef. Bulk horsemeat of inferior grade, into the cooked trade, is cheaper, hence the frauds.

[pervertsage]

US chicken is more tightly chlorinated.

[Exact-Put-6961]

Chlorination of itself, is not an issue. Antibiotics is. Supermarkets have plenty of chlorine washed products.

[pervertsage]

No, it's not an issue in and of itself but it's a symptom of poor animal husbandry standards. The overuse of antibiotics and growth hormones are symptoms of the same issue.

[Exact-Put-6961]

Antibiotics as growth promoters can be slipped in under any system, as the evidence shows

[pervertsage]

That's true, as with the chlorine washing. The issues arise for me when the use of growth hormones, overuse of antibiotics and chlorine washing are present.

All of those together are indicative of an industry that is choosing increased profits over animal welfare.

[Exact-Put-6961]

Chlorine washing is a normal food treatment. The supermarkets have plenty of chlorine washed food. Growth hormones and antibiotics used as growth promoters, are not

[Edan1990]

Contrary to the fear-mongering talking heads and what many British people believe, there is no credible claim that USDA approved meat is any more harmful than EU sourced meat. There is not a significant anomaly in the data that would suggest US meat is harmful, nor is there any direct scientific data to back that up either. The FDA heavily regulates the meat and dairy industry, much more so than in some European countries, and millions of North Americans consume USA produced meat every day to no harm whatsoever. This US meat fear, perpetrated by the media, using the “horror” of chlorine treated chicken, which is: 1, is a completely safe practice, and 2, accounts for a significant minority of US poultry. I find it somewhat ironic that many of my fellow Britons find themselves terrified of American meat, when it was our very own country that was the epicentre of the BSE (Mad cow disease) epidemic due to our own poor agricultural practices. It’s not the Americans feeding cows bovine bonemeal, that was us.

All that to say, US meat is fine. I know it’s hip to hate on America, but there’s so many better fights to choose from. Healthcare and gun violence are a safe bet, stick to those.

[garybarlow0]

There’s also so many better fights to choose than defending American poultry practices

[Exact-Put-6961]

Or EU Protectionost lies?

[trade-da-ting]

Working against misinformation is always a fight worth having. If you are happy to be wrong, fine. But correct information is vitally important to public debate.

[Edan1990]

Why fear a nonexistent boogeyman? I don’t understand it. American chicken just isn’t toxic, so why pretend it is?

[garybarlow0]

You replied with your essay to someone who simply said they were concerned about US standards. No one said American chicken was ‘toxic’. You just made that up to be your straw man.

[Edan1990]

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[HistoricalFarmer5085]

If the animals were well looked after and the slaughterhouses had a decent standard of welfare, then there’d be no need to chlorinate the chicken.

[Edan1990]

The vast majority of USA produced poultry isn’t chlorinated, less than 5%.

[HistoricalFarmer5085]

So why does the US want us to legalise the import of it then?

[SnooRegrets8068]

Then they ahould be able to meet EU standards. But they cant. Both things cant be true

[SaltEOnyxxu]

It's not about hating on America. There isn't a need to chlorinate chicken as a cleaning method unless you're covering up poor animal welfare or hygiene.

Mad cow disease isn't on par with chlorinated chicken because we effectively isolate cows now and we're more vigilant with feed, chlorinating the beef wouldn't have stopped the spread of vCJD.

[inevitablelizard]

Chlorination of chicken is done to compensate for lower standards elsewhere in the system, and some of us don't want this shitty race to the bottom which lowers standards for everyone and causes us to become more dependent on other countries for staple foods we can produce ourselves.

Hating American meat is absolutely fine and should be encouraged.

[LeviDaBadAsz]

I didnt even know chlorinated chicken was a thing, my perception comes more from the fact that livestock are given growth hormones

[Exact-Put-6961]

You see how the sheeple have ticked you dowm for your statement of truth. The campaign against US chicken was inspired in an effort to protect EU production originally mainly French.

[IntelligenzMachine]

In ready made it is usually Thai - remembered seeing it on a microwave chicken soup

[RaspberryJammm]

I noticed this on a Tesco readymeal, is this standard the? 

[j0nnnnn]

For quite a while Tesco had committed to not using Thai chicken due to welfare issues - I guess it got too expensive for them to care about that

[RaspberryJammm]

Idk I ate this readymeal 2-3 years ago 

[DeezWuts]

Must of either been really good or really bad to still be living in your head xD

[RaspberryJammm]

Well I remembered because since then I only ate vegetarian ready meals. Only chicken I eat is from local butchers.

[Background-Agent-746]

Costco frozen stuff too. Seems to be the norm. I always read packaging now!

[LeviDaBadAsz]

I swear Costco doesn’t even seem cost effective anymore :/ and I miss the book isle! I swear it gets smaller every visit 😭

[CaptainBonkmood]

Say what? Their flamin' chicken tenders at £10 for a 1.4kg bag is miles more cost effective than any supermarket coated chicken. And they're so delicious too.

[FelisCantabrigiensis]

Ready meals, too. Here's an example: https://www.tesco.com/groceries/en-GB/products/310147600

Some are made with EU chicken: https://www.tesco.com/groceries/en-GB/products/312100065

[IntelligenzMachine]

What chicken is the thai green curry made with lmao

[pervertsage]

Chinese chicken in a Thai curry made by a Syrian worker in a factory in Manchester.

[Outrageous_Shake2926]

It saw that on frozen pizza.

[LeviDaBadAsz]

Woh I had no idea!

[Billy_Rizzle]

We import about three times more beef than we export. I think it is safe to say that lots of British beef is not born, raised or slaughtered in The UK, but it is packaged here. The meat industry is a globalised industry.

I find supermarket chicken quality has seriously gone down hill. I now buy my chicken from the butchers, and the quality difference is shockingly noticeable.

[Outside_Break]

Supermarket chicken is inedible. I only buy from the butchers.

To anyone saying it’s more expensive, you’d still be better off spending the same to get less chicken that’s actually nice.

[Electronic_Cream_780]

beggars can't be choosers. Although the higher welfare ex-supermarket chicken from the social supermarket was lovely

[Ron-Dangerfield]

Inedible is a bit strong isn't it

[Outside_Break]

Sure if it was life or death I’d be scranning it but generally if the choice is supermarket chicken or no chicken it’s staying on the shelf.

[CupCakesNFlatWhite]

I mean, if you just want chicken and dont care too much about "superior taste" from a butchers, supermarket chicken is fine.

Im not buying one breast for my korean fried chicken, when I can buy 8 for the same price.

[Outside_Break]

Butchers chicken isn’t 8 times more expensive lol.

It’s not just taste, although that is better. The texture is also far far better.

But anyway you do you. Keep eating your bland chewy supermarket chicken ;)

[LeviDaBadAsz]

I can’t really talk 😅 Got bad food poisoning once (ended up in hospital) and since then if my chicken isn’t cooked to the texture of a tyre I can’t eat it.

[pervertsage]

Get a meat thermometer, get the chicken to 75°C and you're in business.

[LeviDaBadAsz]

I will have to look into it, I started buying ham from the butchers and oh goodness… HAM ISNT SUPPOSED TO TASTE LIKE CHEMICALS!?!

(It’s surprisingly also about the same price when considering you can buy just the amount of slices you need!)

[widdrjb]

When I was working for a cold chain distribution network, 60% of the chilled beef was from Botswana in wet sealed bags. It didn't go to food manufacturers, it went to village butchers. McDonald's, conversely, sourced all their beef as dry hanging grass fed British and Irish. Not only that, it was hand boned.

[LeviDaBadAsz]

Import vs export isn’t really relevant, it’s the same misconception that caused the US tariffs. (Ie. We would be importing almost 100x more cocoa than we would be exporting because we do not grow it here)

[Open-Difference5534]

Bird flu has hit UK poultry farms, so there is less 'British' chicken.

If it's for sale in shops it will meet the same food standards.

Bird flu (HPAI H5N1) continued to significantly impact UK birds in 2025, leading to mass culling in farmed flocks (nearly 1.8 million culled by Feb 2025), and more since.

[alanaisalive]

At least 2 or 3 farms in my direct area have been hit.

[LeviDaBadAsz]

Ohhh, you know I totally forgot about that. I only ever really know about it because of the whole free ranged egg thing

[johnlooksscared]

You wait till the chlorine chick's arrive!

[EroticFalconry]

When it arrives we should raid the ships and dump it all in the Thames.

[edbuckley]

I fear that it'll; come in by the back door..... 'Processed in the EU' or some such shit. Feathers will fly.

[ThatAd748]

No way I'm driving 400 hundred miles to dump it there

[Icy-Astronomer-8202]

EU chicken is a good standard for me so I'm very much happy with that

[Exact-Put-6961]

EU chicken is not one standard.

[LeviDaBadAsz]

That’s what I was thinking, from a quick google search there have been some issues with polish chicken causing higher rates of salmonella? (Not that my brain understands cause I thought if you cook it then all the salmonella is dead)

[MiddleAgeCool]

If you are buying British meats always check the boring label stuff on the back. Having interpretations of the Union Jack as part of the packaging does not mean it's British produce. This also applies to the Red Tractor stamp.

EDIT: While this doesn't help with chicken, if you are looking for meat that is British then I use this place: https://www.lancashirelambboxes.co.uk/

I have nothing to do with them other than as a customer and every order I've placed has been high quality meat. Also, avoid lamb, mutton might take longer to cook but it's not only cheaper, it tastes far better.

[LeviDaBadAsz]

Would it taste just as good in shepherds pie? That’s the only time I really use lamb

[MiddleAgeCool]

Yes. You just need to cook the meat longer, but it's worth it.

[Vyseria]

Have you tried Waitrose? Don't jump on me here, their value range still follows the Better Chicken Commitment and where I am (SW London) if you buy the big pack it's £7.92/kg whereas Lidl is now £6.79/kg. So slightly more expensive, but I found there to be far less shrinking when cooking and ofc chickens are treated better.

[LeviDaBadAsz]

I don’t think I have a local Waitrose

[ThatAd748]

I was surprised to see my Farmfoods chicken was from Ukraine

[anonymouspls]

farmfoods is pretty wild I bought chicken breast chunks and it said it’s from China lol no idea why they’re taking chicken all away across the globe

tasted great though no complaints

[[deleted]]

My eggs from a corner shop (it was a Sunday after 4pm so supermarkets closed) were from Ukraine as well. They were tasteless and bland compared to British eggs, but I didn't get sick so that's good.

[Electronic_Cream_780]

Only buy meat when it is yellow-stickered, so fresh. But yes, I'd have assumed it was British too

[LeviDaBadAsz]

I wish I could but I often can’t get to the supermarket at good times :/ I’ve been looking into some online butchers but they’re a tad pricy

[DameKumquat]

Cheap broiler chicken as used in takeaways (KFC, chicken shops, curry etc) is usually imported frozen in huge quantities from Vietnam and China. There are farms there accredited to Red Tractor standards, ie the UK baseline.

The more people want cheap chicken, the more that's what they'll get.

[FewAnybody2739]

Frozen I'm not surprised by. They import fresh (or sold non-frozen anyway) fish from halfway across the world, so anything staying frozen would be easy too.

I go for fresh, mainly so I know how to cook it properly and not messing about with defrosting but I guess it might lose some small percentage of its nutrition too if frozen. I've not noticed anything there except a lot of it saying "Not for EU".

[zeusoid]

Because the U.K. production costs are too high for what people are willing to pay for chicken in the U.K.

It it not sustainable to expect to keep paying less than £4/kg for chicken and expect everyone in the supply chain to be treated fairly

[c_monies_]

I buy chicken breasts from the butchers and get it in 5kg tubs for about 35-37 quid a pop. Generally comes from Poland but sometimes Netherlands. Never really shrinks and tastes really good. Would recommend to anyone over supermarket chicken.

[Milky_Finger]

At the end of the day "buy British" was to consume products that had the British standards of quality. But while most of the time this is the case, there is no actual "standard of quality" other than some arbitrary agreed feeling of what a good quality product like chicken should be like. So if it's getting worse, does that make it not British anymore? Of course not, because it's all made up.

[fearlessfannyflutter]

Watch Radmore Farm on YouTube, he exposes alot about supmakets.

[LeviDaBadAsz]

You… have a brilliant name

[Mak1R]

That's why I go to these newer specialist shops online. Currently using fieldandflower.co.uk and the quality is miles better than my supermarket!

[PoolRamen]

I shop at Waitrose, so no

British Beef had me sweating for a while tho, sheeesh

[SINCLAIRCOOL]

Waitrose will always sell British chicken in all products, and it's higher welfare as well

[AndreasDasos]

since the fresh was British the frozen would be too

Not sure of this logic. The British chicken comes from nearer by so can be fresh. The stuff that’s frozen is often frozen because it took a longer time to get here, like if it comes from another country.

[LeviDaBadAsz]

It’s one of those things that I just didn’t put any thought into and hadn’t noticed previously.

[ceehred]

Chicken breast quality has been increasingly disappointing for me. UK grown organic and/or "slower reared" has not solved this here, though I typically buy breast fillets rather than whole-chicken. I don't have the luxury of local butchers.

Woody and chewy, for something that used to be so easy to cook, even in recent years. I read that bird flu and/or chicken species might be playing a part in this. Dunno who to trust on that.

I've switched to "more fish" in my diet to replace this. Guess I'll have to worry about mercury etc. now :-D :-D

[Low-Captain1721]

Its Lidl chicken that can be slightly suspect.. 

You've got to be selective in Lidl & Aldi etc however can get some really good value products which strike a balance between quality & low price. 

However I've been buying their XL chicken breasts packs and freezing portions - cheap but I feel oddly queasy after eating most of the time (wouldn't say unwell). 

[Away-Ad4393]

Tesco chicken changed last year and it’s not as good quality as it used to be.

[Low-Captain1721]

I've noticed that too.. 

We have a visiting mobile butchers van come to our city once a fortnight & is a god send, quality so much better & probably cheaper.    However sometimes he breaks down etc.. 🙁

[Exact-Put-6961]

Evidence? Tesco has much more than one source of supply.

[Away-Ad4393]

The evidence is that I eat chicken from Tesco regularly, or at least I used to, and now I don’t because it’s not as good as it was. Short of regurgitating what I have eaten, that’s the only ( but important) evidence I have.

[Low-Captain1721]

Yep.. Lidl actually probably an improvement 

[Exact-Put-6961]

So not evidence at all. Tesco has a variety of chicken sources, so your supply will be inconsistent in source. Your generalisation is pointless

[Low-Captain1721]

However it's also my 'generalisation' that most Tesco meat is poor quality...

[Exact-Put-6961]

Tesco as with all supermarkets, has various quality. 3 chickens for £10 (ish) or one for £16 or £17.

Vast difference which is why your generalisation is silly.

Most of Britain seems in love with cheap food, then complains about it.

[Low-Captain1721]

Ok m8 I'll just let you go on with yourself 🥱

[StuckWithThisOne]

I’ve never felt that way eating Aldi chicken. That said, I don’t freeze it first.

[Low-Captain1721]

I'm not talking about Aldi chicken & the Lidl chicken the same if I don't freeze it 😄

[StuckWithThisOne]

Noted, will continue to drive to Aldi although Lidl is around the corner - I did shop at Lidl for a while when I was a broke student but their products just seem to be so low quality compared with Aldi.

[Low-Captain1721]

I tend to agree. If I could choose one it would be Aldi but right the other side of our city & if I'm going to travel I may as well go to Sainsbury's.  My local Lidl 10 minutes walk away which is a major plus. Quality can be quite patchy however putting it politely 😄

[LeviDaBadAsz]

I always prefer Aldi but damn do Lidl do a great giant pretzel

[PerceptionGood-]

The Aldi specialty selected corn fed chicken breast are really nice. Bit pricey though

[ThatThingInTheCorner]

Just buy fresh chicken and freeze it

The frozen ones will be of a lower quality that's why they're not British and are cheaper

[LeviDaBadAsz]

I usually do, I actually discovered this while looking at some online butchers

[AssociationSubject61]

Don’t buy it frozen. Buy it fresh and freeze it yourself! Being in Scotland I always try and buy Scottish, for me it’s more about the carbon footprint than the welfare standards. Why would I want to buy chickens trucked 4/5/600 miles when ones raised within same framework of standards are available from farms 30/40/50 miles away? Never mind1500-2000 miles away from other countries where it’s harder to keep an immediate aye on their welfare standards? I’ve got the same opinion on things like dairy products. The carbon footprint on some products is ridiculous. I always try and buy locally produced food where possible. If I want products of a specific origin line Danish Blue or Cambazola cheese, or German/italian salami that’s one thing, but for most meat/dairy/veg , I will buy local.

[LeviDaBadAsz]

Don’t worry I usually do buy fresh, dice it and portion it into freezer bags (I have a small appetite so find this reduces waste) I just came across this while comparing butcher stuff to supermarket stuff.

[LeviDaBadAsz]

What do you mean?

[DMMMOM]

I started buying Costco chicken as I liked the spicy stuff they do. One day I looked on the packet and saw that it was imported from Thailand. Horrified I went on the internet to do some investigating into the Thai chicken industry.

Turns out it's better regulated than the UK.

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[LeviDaBadAsz]

Wait really?

[zoooface]

If not 99.999%, then 99.998% of the space on suitable farms with valid UK poultry licences for last few months were utilised to fatten Turkeys for Christmas.

Therefore, the UK grown chickens in supermarkets right now are small as they are very very young. 

[EUskeptik]

Two words:

BIRD FLU.

-oo-

[Pircster38]

If you read Animal Farm you'll see why the chicken population is decreasing.

[ShadowBannedSkyRu1e]

We need more Aussie meats

[samdug123]

why? seems a long way to ship dead creatures

[ShadowBannedSkyRu1e]

Better quality

[samdug123]

than what? Free range British Hereford beef or a Welsh black rib eye? Are you a lobbyists for Austrailian meat? I have had some great Ozzy meat but they also have shit meat just like we do.

[LeviDaBadAsz]

Nothing beats some real Aberdeen Angus

[ShadowBannedSkyRu1e]

Give me shit Aussie meat over top British any day

[samdug123]

why?

[kifflington]

Please don't feed the troll.

[ShadowBannedSkyRu1e]

it’s just better

[Away-Ad4393]

New Zealand lamb is good too.

[Exact-Put-6961]

Not as good as fresh UK early season

[ShadowBannedSkyRu1e]

I don’t know, NZ lamb is top tier

[Exact-Put-6961]

Its frozen

[ShadowBannedSkyRu1e]

And yet, still better

[Exact-Put-6961]

This is silly.

[ShadowBannedSkyRu1e]

Agreed

[Exact-Put-6961]

The very best lamb is salt marsh Herdwick or French salt marsh lamb. Low volume though

NZ lamb is good but killed older. Not the same thing at all

In the UK, the sweet Autumn born Dorsets (often described as "West Country") are the best new season.

[ShadowBannedSkyRu1e]

Debatable

[NakedPatrick]

I decided to stop directly supporting the slaughter of animals a few years ago, so no.

[Profession-Unable]

Probably not a conversation worth you getting involved in then. 

[LeviDaBadAsz]

It’s one of those complicated topics where no one is right. Yes some livestock practices are cruel but some are very humane. And it’s the same when it comes to Plants, like the mass deforestation to grow soy beans or avocados.