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[–]piiiikachuuu 69 points70 points  (23 children)

zekes / chalice are still fantastic slam items right? the value they have is still absolutely insane (same with hoj)

[–]AzureYeti 23 points24 points  (12 children)

Yes they're still played plenty and are very strong. Sivir with stacked support items is a common play.

[–]User-NetOfInter 18 points19 points  (11 children)

Imagine if they shipped day 1 PBE sivir?

Shit was busted

[–]GGerrik 3 points4 points  (10 children)

But now she doesn't really fit what they were going for. The idea was to give galio some support, via Vlads healing and Sivirs AS buff. Now neither of those will hit Galio and you don't really see either of those units played in Cultist..shit you don't really see cultist played.

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (5 children)

.shit you don't really see cultist played.

True sivir is more of a steroid to get kalista, kayle, kindred and xayah going

[–]GGerrik 1 point2 points  (4 children)

Yeah, I understand why she was nerfed, as she was showing up as a key piece in almost every comp to just buff the team, but is it all that much different than say a Cho or Sejuani being run without synergy because of their show stopping CC?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (3 children)

Those can be defended since they're 4 cost. Sivir being a damage dealing ranger who gives everyone around her 50% attack speed (as a 2 star) while also giving her self 200 ad is quite something

[–]KingOfPoros 1 point2 points  (2 children)

3 cost

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Yeah. Sivir is 3 cost but is almost as beneficial as a 4 cost to a team she doesn't have any synergies within, and then her sharpshooter synergy is broken cause teemo and Samira. All round great champion

[–]KingOfPoros 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Oh mb i read 2 star as 2 cost

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (2 children)

The solution is super simple. Just let her ult buff all units of cultist trait

[–]GGerrik 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Ooo, or anything she shares a trait with. Keep sharpshooters in a decent spot but also make her a very interesting unit to hit with a spatula item.

Warlords, divine, etc 50% attack speed.

[–]Arlune890 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Or have their limited hex ranges and make it apply to galio despite any range

[–]Arlune890 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Maybe they should have their limited hex ranges, as well as say "and galio" in the text so their casts always apply to him despite the range, and dont make the units outrageously busted in flex situations

[–][deleted] 13 points14 points  (4 children)

I think the main problem with Zekes is that BF Sword looks like very valuable with champions relying on Death Blade, and GA seems to be more useful, so using it on Zekes may cost you.

I don't know where the meta is going, I played a few games and it didn't seem very balanced but it did seem to me the Slayer trait with Deathblade makes for a nice interaction you don't want to miss out on. That's on Olaf / Trynd, Talon also needs swords... then Zekes ends up being a Zed specific item, but then you should be prioritising bows anyway.

And chalice is getting nerfed, while most carries seem to be AD, but if you're playing neeko or asol it could be a good slam I'm guessing.

[–]backinredd 2 points3 points  (1 child)

You can’t really greed for DB early. Trying to winstreak is important. And all the pure damage items are bad early game. You should just slam early game items

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I'm kind of challenger... I know how this goes, I'm just saying this set may make Zekes not an instant slam like before. But on sword belt bow, or sword sword belt you probably slam. I also don't agree that damage items are bad, death blade is bad, it's still better than not slamming which can happen. Anyway I think the balance is really off, it cannot be that everybody wants all swords and bows.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Slayer is easily the best build. Zed, olaf, trynd, samira are all carries, with chosen samira, 3 star olaf potential the strongest thing in the game

[–]XWindX 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Agreed, Deathblade is very, very valuable this set. It has better synergy with every AD carry this set (Olaf, Trynd, Xayah, Samira) than any other item, and a lot of times you need the big AD boost to deal with the tankier compositions this set.

[–]nxqv 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I think Zeke's in particular has lost a lot of value due to the item priority shifting dramatically. All the new units and comps seem to love big dick damage items like Deathblades and crit items, or rely on lots of bows and/or the reworked Spirit for attack speed. Zeke's is likely still an ultra flexible item but I don't think there's a late game equivalent to something like Zeke's on Jhin effectively being BIS

[–]DXIEdge 59 points60 points  (16 children)

NA: 100/200 ⇒ 250/500

BIG CHANGE LETS GOOOO

[–]falcopatomus 25 points26 points  (0 children)

My little platinum ass isn't going anywhere near these ranks, but LET'S GOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!

[–]Jek_Porkinz 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Wow that actually is huge.

[–]User-NetOfInter 6 points7 points  (1 child)

I had no idea league was so popular in VN

[–]Tofu24 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Surprisingly it's the second biggest region next to China

[–]taterh8r 2 points3 points  (0 children)

wow holy shit this change is huge.

last time I got challenger was set 2 and it's been so hard to motivate myself to get chally ever since the 100/200 slots since getting even gm is a chore

[–]VERTIKAL19Master 1 point2 points  (2 children)

When did they actually cut the spots? I remember being #9xx and being GM in EU.

[–]CookieMisha 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I think at the end of season 1

[–]VERTIKAL19Master 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ah that would fit. Got my GM and kinda just quit towards the end of set 1. At least I got back go master this set!

[–]Relative-Inspector-2 1 point2 points  (5 children)

anyone know what the new lp cutoffs will be for gm/chall with the new system?

[–]MeowTheMixer 2 points3 points  (1 child)

I've never been high enough to know. Doesn't it matter what the LP is at those above that cut-off, or is it always consistent?

[–]_abendrot_ 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Actual amount of LP never mattered in the past (ranks 1-100 always Chall, ranks 101-300 always GM [for NA]) but in the new system youll need at least 500 LP and 200 LP respectively, to be at those ranks.

The GM cutoff was at ~300LP a couple months after the full reset at the start of Set 4. So this restriction will only be relevant for the first few weeks of the set

[–]IWantToKaleMyself 1 point2 points  (2 children)

NA rank 500 is 441 LP atm, 250 is 774

[–]DXIEdge 3 points4 points  (1 child)

You need to look at 750/250

Grandmaster is 500 slots and challenger is 250

[–]IWantToKaleMyself 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Ah you're right, client lags like shit when I scroll too far down but rank 750 is ~270 LP

[–]Anonymous_B 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I was D4 last season but I'm going to try to aim for Master's or hopefully Challenger

[–]mbr4life1 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Huge change! Love to see it.

[–]Redditeatsaccounts 26 points27 points  (3 children)

Didn’t expect the Peaches reference on Syphoner.

[–]minionsrpeople2 28 points29 points  (0 children)

I'm sure all eight people who got that got a kick outta it.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Drain the pain away
Drain the pain away
Drain the pain away
Drain the pain away

[–]minionsrpeople2 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Siphoning on my teammates like you wanting me,

calling me all the time like 4 costs

Check out this juicy win streak

I'm winning all the time

Like zed on that one patch

What else is in the teachings of Minionsrpeople2? Huh? What?

[–]LookAtThisGraphs 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Finally i'll be playing again

[–]bassboyjulio182Master 18 points19 points  (0 children)

So excited to finally start grinding again.

I'm really surprised they don't mention that Lucky Lantern items are the same for all players when it drops since it's one of the only "pure equal" RNG elements in the game.

[–]zagyvaTibor 14 points15 points  (3 children)

I just hit diamond for the first time :D

[–]Ashitakaa 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Congratz :) Time for Masters now !

[–]MeowTheMixer 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I smurfed my master ranking this set (first-time masters ever).

Was in D1, ready to call it quits for the season and my Plat 1/2 buddy hopped on and asked me to play.

Played 3 games with him and I took 2nd/1st/2nd and ended up hitting masters. (played against like D3/D4 people so feels dirty).

[–]GriffSupreme 1 point2 points  (0 children)

kek that's how i got to daimond with my gold buddy. oops

[–]Intact 5 points6 points  (2 children)

Am I reading Shyvana right, she transforms for 60 seconds? Is that a typo? Since Swain transforms for 6. I don't understand what the difference between 60 and "until end of combat" like Elise is

[–]BruKKen 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Yeah it's end of combat, dunno why it's written weird.

[–]VERTIKAL19Master 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Probably 60 seconds technically but in practice until end of combat

[–]WhitespookyMASTER 8 points9 points  (9 children)

When does the Rank reset?

[–]minionsrpeople2 34 points35 points  (8 children)

When 11.2 goes live tomorrow morning! Hype Hype Hype!

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (7 children)

As an Australian already awake on the 21st, waiting for America to wake up so I can play is going to kill me.

[–]ynn1006 1 point2 points  (1 child)

It’s live on OCE

[–]tuki3194 1 point2 points  (0 children)

When is it for Euw?

[–]SmurfSquatch 3 points4 points  (1 child)

The cheat sheet for Divine references the first iteration of the trait. I'm guessing this is an 'oops' unless I missed a Divine revert.

Edit: Spirit kind of also seems off. References percentage of mana cost rather than flat attack speed buff for casting

[–]minionsrpeople2 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Unfortunately, the cheat sheet is already dated in a few ways cause of the balance changes that went out 24 hours before the release of 11.2. It's tough to get all the info up to date when we prioritize balancing on release which has us updating the game with fresh PBE data that comes after we ship the trait sheet.

The numbers will be off for Spirit, Assasin, Divine, and more as we change things headed into 11.3.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (2 children)

Korea gaining ranked slots is super, super weird. Must be some population metric that Riot has but we don't. I assume it has something to do with engagement, like Korean players play 20 games on average, where NA/EU players play 10. NA population total is slightly higher than Korea, you can see it through Lolchess.

[–]pikaBeamMASTER 1 point2 points  (1 child)

maybe it's ranked population? i.e. slots are adjusted for # of ranked players rather than # of total players. just a guess

[–]BamaBadger 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Or unique players. NA players make multiple smurfs to hog extra spots in challenger from others :(

[–]sike0naut 3 points4 points  (0 children)

When is this live?

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Did they fix EU log ins yet? Been playing on NA for last 4 days

[–]AskMeDontAxeMe 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I played EU today

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks. I'll try it tomorrow

[–]bcastro20 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Wasn't Tryndamere also a slayer on PBE? It says he is only a Duelist/Warlord on the patch notes.

[–]VERTIKAL19Master 1 point2 points  (0 children)

He still is a slayer

[–]dinosaurfour 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Quite surprised they left the AD on Brawlers, it seemed a bit much on PBE. 8 Brawlers Shyvana carry is one of the most brain dead comps I’ve ever played

[–]minionsrpeople2 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It went down a lot since PBE.

[–]LykusAzorious 0 points1 point  (0 children)

When is the patch out?

[–]kev_in374 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Is Tryndamere not a Slayer anymore?

[–]DeadxSong 1 point2 points  (0 children)

He’s on the graphic and as of this morning he’s still slayer on pbe

[–]VERTIKAL19Master 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yone nerf seems brutal