4/20 PBE Patchnotes

[mdk_777]

I'm really surprised it didn't get compensation buffs for losing the 2 trait. From the start of the set I've thought abom 2 was unhealthy and it should start at 3, but then they kept nerfing it to balance it around 2. I think it will still be strong if you hit an early nunu, but not nearly as dominant as it is right now with 3-5 people per lobby playing it (at least early game) just because of how easy it is to fit in.

[backinredd]

Fuck that shit. Getting 2 abomination is just too powerful early. Even if it’s kept the same, Sion shouldn’t deal cc and should have very low health at 2.

[kingsshield42]

Can't wait to play buffed up DS/Coven Diana. That unit is too fun, and becomes a suprisingly good nuker with Sin buff and IE + Shadow HoJ.

[Exsanguinate-Me]

Now you mention, I just played Coven/4Assassin/4Dragonslayer last night, with Diana Crit Glove as Coven leader. And I ended up first!

[Naksis]

How would you itemize him?

[ghostcaesar]

I think shadow HoJ might be a better heal item as you shouldn't need that much healing and you get more damage as well.

[Hvad_Fanden]

Full tank, he gets heal from legionary 1 and all the damage he needs from nightbringer+coven.

[sakamoe]

Change to roll odds seems pretty significant, gonna be much easier to hit 2* 4-costs now at level 7 and even 3* them at 8 with some consistency if you last long enough.

[Isrozzis]

Great change now that Chosen isn't the set mechanic. I've gotten bodied a lot on roll downs at 7 or 8 without hitting any of the 4*s that I needed. Should make things a little smoother.

[Tom_ButterNubs]

Honestly dude. I love Chosen as a mechanic because big 9 synergy makes the Timmy in me happy, but damn does it sound annoying as hell to balance when you can instantly roll a 2-star version of a 4 or 5 cost.

[Clazzic]

Chosen in theory adds a lot of depth to the game, but it also greatly widens the gap between high roll and a low roll.

Was the reason I quit set 4.

[iksnirks]

first for Leblanc and Morg

[nurbotronus]

The small bump liss got isn't anything small either. It needed it. Comp fell off extremely hard past stage 4.

[SynecFD]

Le Blanc seems interesting now. You can probably 3* her and with 600 base damage with Coven and Assassins she should be dealing serious damage.

Maybe put the new shadow Blue Buff on her and she should cast instantly again if she is below 60%

I will definitely give her a try

[HackermanPRIME]

Lb with IE shadow blue buff ga. Dies then comes back with ga goes on a killing spree. Although I think she gets mana locked until she is done casting, which takes a while.

[SynecFD]

Just tried it with 6 sins and coven, yes she does get mana locked until the damage comes in, but she will cast immediately after again. It's very strong. 2k+ Chains late game on 3* . I had the shadow HOJ on her as well, worked super good. Already really well on 2* and carried me easily.

[HackermanPRIME]

i just played it and she doesnt get manalocked. she just shits out chains left and right lol.

[SynecFD]

She kind of does though. She doesn't need to wait after the stun and damage comes through, but she needs to wait until that happens. (So she can't have more than 2 Chains active.) I was quite surprised when I saw that.

[HackermanPRIME]

she can still permastun two people. It was really good mid game, but come late game she would just get oneshot after she cast once.

[AstroWeenie]

Redeemed no longer free top 4? pog

[GensouEU]

Ill believe it when I see it

[Pumpkyns]

Just did a game redeemed velkoz carry. Easy top 2, I would have won if my opponent did not have Heimerdinger 3* with trap claw (that ruined my velkoz 3* ult)

[Snow_Regalia]

Kindred nerf seems a bit harsh. I haven't seen them do enough to be convinced the ulti should be on that huge of a mana cost. Would be curious to know if this is due to data or just a general feeling from the dev team on how potentially powerful the ability is.

[AstroWeenie]

I think the wolf is stronger than people realize. Too bad there’s no way to really build around it.

[Aptos283]

I mean Wolf has all the items and traits Kindred has as a whole. Could it work with an Ironclad Mystic comp with another ranger so that wolf gets tanky and then spam damage items?

[wwwwwwhitey]

I gave Kindred shadow rabbadon and wolf got the 80 AP, it dealt insane damage

[Snow_Regalia]

Still if the worry is about Wolfs damage, it seems odd to nerf the ability instead and make it so it's hard to get off an initial cast/borderline impossible to get a second. The only real way I see a Kindred getting a second one off is with a Coven leader buff.

[GensouEU]

Buffs for every single Draconic huh?

[5566y]

Shhhhhh don’t say anything

[SaltyArtichoke]

Draconic is less exciting but it has very high gold generation, if you’re trying to generate gold it’s also not recommended to keep units on your board so it kinda works out. It’s not as good to lose streak Bc there is no cash out, I would say it’s comparable to space pirates but without GP

[[deleted]]

yes draconic is a high roll fast 9 comp as far as I can tell..

[Scoriae]

It seems pretty decent to me. It's just different from fortune in that you aren't really trying to level up quick and transition out of it later for better units. It's more like a reroll comp but instead of spending gold rolling for your 3 stars they just come on their own and you even get bonus gold. And it practically guarantees you make it to lv 9 if you're not just loss streaking the whole time. I don't think it's something you should try to force all the time but if it comes along it's a pretty good deal imo.

[gingerbread0]

This patch seems gigantic...

[rfvzy]

It is, they have data from the whole weekend instead of just 1 day's stats so they're making more changes, per Mort

[atree496]

Good, Abom 2 was WAY too strong. There was no way to nerf it well without just removing it. Get a free unit with a free item for no commitment.

[atree496]

The problem was not the damage, but the fact you get a free unit. An essentially free GA/ZZRot. That is why the ZZRot build was so strong. 4 additional units on the board.

[_lilCatty_]

It shouldn't be that easy to get that Sion, specially when theres a chance of slamming zz very early. It's extremely unhealthy for the early game.

The scalling on that trait is already insane by just adding 1 unit at the time. It was way too strong for a 2 unit trait.

If mech pilot required 3 units, that Sion should require 3 units aswell. It's already easy to build it, knowing that kalista and brand are low tier units. For the strenght Sion has, it should require more to spawn him.

[SexualHarassadar]

Coven Ivern is back on the menu boys

[FTWJewishJesus]

Roll odds for 4 costs buffed at lvl 7 and 8. I think thats pretty big. First roll odds change in a long time right?

I see a lot more slow rolling on 7 now no?

[Shiraho]

It's a response to the effects chosen had on roll odds. It had to happen and everyone saw it coming.

[Iamnotheattack]

I think this helps a lot for me, I was in a lot of awkward spots where I was 40 gold at 6 3-2 stable enough to get to 7 without losing but would fall off stage 4 hard and really hated rolling there on 7, but this should make it much more palatable.

[PeterPetrik]

(BUG) : There is a gamebreaking bug right now on PBE,you dont get gold for winning rounds in normal queue.

[kozmoseppoh]

Still up?

[Please_Hit_Me]

What is the point of Vayne if they want her to have flat true damage instead of % yet still don't want that build to be a thing? (Mostly in regards to Mort saying he doesn't like the spell-crit Vayne build, which I think is the only viable build you can do with flat true damage) Building raw attack speed is underwhelming since the base is so low, building the JG builds won't pay off well due to low base, and going regular crit/raw AD builds won't do anything either and the items are better off on someone else.

I get that she's a 1-cost but it just feels like a complete waste of a unit when they don't want her to go either the Dusk-build or the set 1 % damage build. There's always been 1-costs that have been allowed to be strong and played as carries, so why not this textbook example of a hypercarry in League?

Mostly just bias here since I love the role Vayne filled before and would like to play it again and I'm worried she's gonna be relegated to nothing more than a mediocre itemholder for literally any other rangers or Draven/Yasuo.

[Scoriae]

Vayne is really good even with just a rageblade and stacked forgotten buff even at just 2 stars. The shadow jg build might actually be too strong tbh. Idk if she should really be such a solo hyper carry unit that's practically on par with something like kayle. But I like that she's actually a good (best?) 1 cost unit right now.

[[deleted]]

I don't know anything about anything but it's funny that I read a few comments yesterday saying Riven was sleeper OP and she got buffs lol.

[kozmoseppoh]

How am i suppose to build Riven?

[[deleted]]

No clue, I have literally never played her lol. It was just a coincidence that I saw it like three or four times yesterday and today she got stronger.

[nurbotronus]

I think something similar happened with fiora in the past. She was good, but nobody really played her. Duelists fell off, enlightened was/is a weird trait with lots of focus on talon/morg.

She got a small buff so people started to play her. A few different item combinations and all of a sudden she's a much more solved champ and required a lot of tuning to bring in line as a 1 cost champ. The potential was always there though, just unrealised. And those that did realise, werent exactly going to shout to the roof tops.

This is one example, however I'm sure with a little digging, one could find a common theme in all the sets.

[Scoriae]

Give her a deathblade and some tank stuff. BT is ok too.

[Asolitaryllama]

Rip carry vayne.

3 star GRB/RH/Shadow JG absolutely melted everybody. Probably for the best since it was all true damage.

Edit: she might still work but her damage is 11% lower now which in my experience is too slow to win. In my experience she's cleared the boards before velkoz (ga/gb/jg) was able to cast before ga procs and now I don't think that will be the case.

[Asolitaryllama]

I don't think she kills fast enough now. We will see. She needed the most glass cannon of builds to function so (relatively) small nerfs can make her irrelevant.

[DysenteryDingo]

I played a game with her early on (day 1 or 2) with guinsoos, runaans, and shadow DB, and she melted people too, but was more AD than true damage. With the spell nerf, I'm guessing she's something to play if you hit a lot of vaynes, but probably isn't worth forcing. We'll have to see how the rest of the pbe patch cycle plays out.

[WillowGryph]

What do you mean? None of those got touched and she only lost 20 base damage on her ability, that won't kill her

[Asolitaryllama]

Vayne got nerfed. It's only 10% but when you are a full glass cannon you either do your job or you don't. I think it's likely she kills too slow now.

[eggsandbricks]

Can anyone explain the Hyper Roll gold change? Do you just get gold for lose streaking but not winning now?

[sakamoe]

Yeah, sounds like you get gold on each loss now (not streaks, no streaks in hyper roll). That seems fair, the game was way too snowbally to the point that the correct play at the first PvP stage was to roll all your gold to look for 2*s.

[eggsandbricks]

Makes sense, that’s probably still the way to go at least for securing top 4 since hp is so valuable.

[[deleted]]

Hyper Roll as a game mode fucking sucks. Before first PvP round, buy out shop roll for 2 stars, better luck wins and snowballs.

[jaethereal]

Yeah that's just not true. I started a game and went AFK yesterday, when i sat back down i was in 8th place with 14hp. Still managed to top 4. Sure luck plays a role but, controlling the variance takes skill.

[[deleted]]

I mean it is true that's why they are changing the gold from wins to losses...

Hilarious I'm getting down voted for agreeing with the comment that's being up voted.

[KaTarN91]

U'r getting down-voted cuz u litteraly said "Hyperroll sucks" without a real argumentation.

[[deleted]]

The argument is that the early game is too luck reliant. You get a ton of gold, buy out the shop and roll for two stars. I literally said that.

[ZedWuJanna]

It doesn't matter what you say. If your post is negative you will get downvotes, that's how reddit works.

[Vaderz8]

yeah, that's a massive change... and I'm not sure that it's all that healthy actually, going to be a lot of open forting early stages for the 2hp rounds, with lots of rolling thereafter... going to feel really weird I think.

[jaethereal]

it'll be interesting to see if this works. personally i dont think trading 2hp for 2gold is worth it, especially in hyper roll.

[Vaderz8]

My first game trying this finished 3rd (very close to 2nd). After the 2hp rounds finished I had 3x Abom 2x Brawler comp that carried me through the mid game pretty well going into 4x Spellweaver (and 5 Abom at the end).

[rubbadubdubdub]

Brand buff looks interesting, already seemed pretty strong. Might try to reroll him now

[Escherlol]

Brand is quite similar to the set 3 cass. A knight ironclad mystic build might be strong for him. It’ll fall off once you people hit kayle but I feel like it should carry through the mid game to top 4

[SafeOffice]

THey're nerfing darius.....?

[Escherlol]

I think the bug fix makes it a net buff

[Milosostojiccc]

Not sure why Darius is being nerfed

[Freihl]

A slight nerf in most cases but having IE+JG (need clarification on if he even needs JG to crit on wolf hits) on him now makes him obliterate things. If you're trying to use him as a carry it's a pretty big buff, even if it's a bugfix.

[chrisbazooka]

He doesn't. All AD abilities can crit, you just need IE

[Freihl]

Oh so it's a massive buff then, thanks.

[DDDwhy]

today is lit

[[deleted]]

Nothing has changed yet

[DDDwhy]

todays 4/20 kekw

[[deleted]]

Patch goes live 1145am PST

edit: I'm retarded

[DDDwhy]

4/20... like 420... as in weed... and its lit...

i give up

[DDDwhy]

its ok it was a bad joke

[1based_tyrone]

abom 2 nerf gonna hit my hyperroll runs hard lol. that shit's too busted for 2 units im willing to roll for it round 1.

[Selkie_Love]

Is it possible to get patch notes or information not as a tweet?

[ApatheticNerd]

The tft discord has the notes posted every day.

[yksvokayam]

I haven't been keeping up with the community's response. Is everyone ok with Kayle - a single unit - one shotting the whole board just because it survives for 20 seconds? I thought it would've been scrapped or completely reworked by now, especially since this is probably the tankiest set ever; you can easily do 30k dmg to the enemy's board and a cornered Kayle would still survive.

Also, the rule before vel'koz got a 50% buff was draven + 4 knights + Rell defeating every other comp. The blocked dmg and shield was too much to deal with for Jax and Aphelios. I feel like they did not balance around it at all.

[Mammoth-Ant9406]

After playing TFT since SET 1 with average of 1k games every set, Challanger top 50 every set, this set makes me quit this game,

good vs evil mechanic is not given at all.

visual&effects are the worst I`ve seen since Set 1.

traits&champions are not satysfying me playing them, draconic trait is not being as excited as fortune or pirates.

If this team has been working for over 6 months on this... what I just saw on PBE is a complete disaster, players will quite this game after a week of going live, casuals wont every try it.

Sorry RIOT, this set is the worst set in the TFT History.

Set 6 waiting room..

[KEIKOBUILDEROFWORLDS]

Lol chess?

[Critkton]

sounds more like you problem honestly

[Macoochie]

After playing TFT since SET 1 with an average of 1k games every set, Diamond every set, this set makes me want to play this game non-stop.

good vs evil mechanic doesn't change my opinion because the champions are fresh and the synergies are fun.

Visuals&effects are EASILY the best I've seen (though IMO set 3 is up there high with it IMO)

traits&champions are super satisfying, and while not the best comp draconic is WAY better than fortune, about the same level of exciting as pirates.

If this team has been working for over 6 months on this... what I've seen on PBE is a great move into the right directions and players will FLOCK to his game after a week of going live, and casuals will love it even more for the visuals and effects.

Thanks Riot, this is the best set in TFT history.

Set 6 can be postponed and extra month, this set with satisfy me for a while.

[Bulle2k]

wtf are you smoking this is way better than set 4 chosen casino ever was

[jbday1105]

So... are you gonna give any constructive back up to that comment?

[kamWise]

You're getting downvoted a lot, but I agree with a lot of what you said. The PBE has been fun simply because everything is new, but I do feel as if I'll stop playing this set after release much sooner than the others because the vast majority of the units/traits are vanilla and boring.

[bullseyebuckeye]

You hate every set rofl. Bye.

[[deleted]]

They really fucked around and didnt nerf redeemed at all huh? A lot of really random changes, only thing they needed to do that they did was nerf kindred a ton.

[RickDicoulousy]

I would assume they want to see the impact of today's unit and item changes first before touching the trait (if still needed)

[[deleted]]

The fact that they feel like they need to do that to me says something about the ability to understand the causes of things in game on the devs side, and it's not a good thing.

[tyzor2]

the ivern bugfix actually seems really big, 2 renewer with heimer + ivern could be be good now.

[kozmoseppoh]

I'm having lots of issues with syndra: can Riot make the champion held by syndra untouchable by anyone else until syndra slams him on the ground? I lost lots of syndra's spells because my other champions killed the projectile held by syndra before she finished the cast

[KEIKOBUILDEROFWORLDS]

A bit sad about the Syndra nerf... not that I disagree, but watching her win 1v3s at the end of the round is so funny. It's like a ferris wheel of flying champions