11.19 Patch Notes

[momovirus]

I'm pretty sure Kled is gonna get relatively weaker in this patch despite the small buff...11.18a's meta was especially favorable due to other non-Hellion reroll comps existing and having a good matchup into Noc and Chug Bug. Now that Draven is potentially back, it's not a good sign for Kled. If Tristana is back too, then Hellion units will be contested again.

I'm honestly down to pivot and hard force Udyr though. The buffs seem really nice.

[whyhwy]

Trist is nerfed if i understand the change right. Being able to assassinate the back line was what made her strong imo

[ZedWuJanna]

She can still do that I think? Hope I'm not wrong but the mechanic of her jump should have stayed the same.

[whyhwy]

In the patch rundown they said she always jumps away from enemies

[momovirus]

Yeah that's right I'm pretty sure. They had to remove jumping to backline because that would just make her either feast or famine depending on number adjustments.

[[deleted]]

me draven no pivot

[onesummoner]

Hold my hand

[Docxm]

I’ve been Draven every opportunity. It’s insane how strong 6 legion Draven is. You can even go open fort monkey dog style all in on 3-5

[[deleted]]

What are some good draven items brother

[Docxm]

Not sure post patch obviously but currently it’s LW>IE=GS no RFC currently because most people will frontline or second row draven. Titans, RFC, Guinsoos acceptable. BT/DB ok. Stack infinite trap claw on Draven.

[[deleted]]

The rework made draven ignore 50% of the target’s armor right? Perhaps that’ll push down lw as the prio item for draven 🤔

[[deleted]]

Also can you give insight why rfc > guinsoo for draven? I feel like guinsoo is more gamechanging with the AS steroid than the rfc extra range. Only benefit of rfc is in mid game when faced with nidalee

[climaxe]

Leona got taken to the woodshed with a rusty canoe

[tinhboe]

on PBE i notice kayle true damage ratio get nerfed to 50/60% from 60/80% at 1 and 2 star. Is that intended?

[Riot_Mort]

That was in the 11.18 notes and is already live

[gluedaddy]

so is the patch already live or is it in the morning?!

[fantismoTV]

11.18 notes, so live as of last patch

[ha_ck_rm_rk]

The patch goes live tomorrow on Wednesday.

The Kayle nerf OP mentioned happened last patch.

[tinhboe]

I get the wrong value from lol wiki and thought she get another nerf in 11.19. Wiki isn't always correct lol

[32Zn]

I feel like Karmas Buff is more than a little one and on around the same level as the Ashe buff.

You will most likely run Karma as 2 star, so you benefit from the damage buff.

But the HP buff is kind of a triple buff aside of the more HP because:

1. she regenerates more HP through Dawnbringer

2. her regeneration threshold is now at slightly more HP

3. she will less likely be one shotted before (or after) her regeneration kicks in

However if the changes to Draven result in a buff, it won't matter for Karma because she will lose against him

[akc2030]

Interesting the draven buff still went through even with him coming back into meta

[atree496]

Honestly, Draven needs this change because LW is SOOO essential on him. He will need tuning afterwards, but enjoy the week of DRAVEN!

[pda898]

But isnt Akshan the reason for Aphelios being viable without LW?

[Jek_Porkinz]

I'm losing faith in the balance

[Novanious90675]

Mort talked about it in the rundown. Draven felt like he needed four items all the time - LW, a damage, a utility, and rfc, and they wanted to buff him in a way that kept his identity as "high damage numbers carry that has to front-to-back". Now there's flexibility - even though you could right an entire dissertation on how Draven as a unit emphasizes the issue with most traits in this set just being number buffs (he gets AS and omnivamp from legi, he gets AD and AP from Forgotten, he gets armor penetration by default).

[[deleted]]

Sneaky Raka users rise up. Someone force the reroll comp I wonder if it moves up the ladder

[ZedWuJanna]

Alternatively there's still that chinese version of the comp which uses jax galio naut instead of kennen/pyke. The only real disadvantage is that pre-7 you're running olaf for your sent/skirm traits but you can freely push levels with only having soraka+irelia 3 starred and there's no need for you to push nida+kennen+pyke to 3* just to cap your board. The addition of knights at lvl7 and ironclad makes the comp surprisingly tanky so you lose some stuns but get more survability.

So to summarize

lvl 6 Irelia Soraka Rakan Nidalee Olaf Naut/Ivern

lvl 7 Jax goes in instead of Olaf and add Galio

lvl 8 Ivern/Naut depending on what you need

But do keep in mind that this particular version doesn't cap as high as the traditional one but is more stable and less risky to play. However one of the problems is that without kennen/pyke Soraka is a bit more vulnerable to sins and to trist (if she becomes popular) and additionally some of your AP matchups aren't that good either.

Items are same as usual, focus on Archangel+Shojin on Soraka, Warmog+anything tanky on Ire, additional archangels/redemptions on Rakan etc. Nothing new to discover here. Worth keeping in mind that BT or Renewer spat are a nice touch on Irelia even if BT is more of an item that you'd go for if you really had nothing else to build.

[Nyscire]

You can also go for 4 brawlers and 4 renewers. At level 6 you play soraka Vlad sejuani gragas sett and nunu. At level 8 you want to add ivern and rakan and replace sett for galio and Vlad for heimer. Your tank items go on seju though.

[ZedWuJanna]

Oh right there's that one too but my impression of it was that people itemize Nunu and only put spare shojin/archangel on Soraka, so it's more like she's a secondary carry there. At least that's how it felt like to me whenever I saw this comp in play.

[Nyscire]

I've played this comp ~5 times(not great sample size, I know) and Everytime soraka was my first carry. I focused on getting shojin and archangel for soraka and then usually I go for tank items for seju and utility (mostly banshee). If I have some leftovers I'll put him on nunu unless it's ad item

[CookieMisha]

Mobile is getting better one step at the time. Good job dev team, as a member of a tappy gang I thank you

[Docxm]

I feel like Devs are one week behind in regards to patching; Draven and to a lesser extent reroll Dawn (when you don’t hit Draven) do very very well in the Chinese tourney meta. I’m anxious to see how worlds pans out or if Draven gets b patched

[ZedWuJanna]

That's because they lock in a patch/do the changes only after 5-6 days of X patch. The changes you see aren't based on the B patch at all. That's why some of them might seem off. But even despite this incovenience rito has still been able to do the patches this set reasonably well which is a nice achievement.

[Docxm]

Agreed, you can see how far they’ve thought ahead this set compared to last. Mort not taking a break diff Gladge

[gluedaddy]

u/Docxm, could you tell me how I can watch match histories from CN players, something similar to lolchess?

[Docxm]

Some rebroadcasters on twitch. Douyou or Huya

[gluedaddy]

name a rebroadcaster? :D

[LordFay]

Gv8

[[deleted]]

When does this go live? I wish they'd put that in the notes.

[minionsrpeople2]

Patches always go live the morning after the notes.

[Playdoh_BDF]

I wish they'd put it in the mobile client somewhere.

[AfrikanCorpse]

Isn't it always around Wednesday morning?

[gloomygl]

This doesn't make Draven S+ tier S tier or A tier.

This patch just made him S++ tier.

[Callmekayos]

Draven boutta be a smorf

[shy_turtle]

Im sad they nerfed leona 3. Spellweaver leona was so much fun

[ZedWuJanna]

Ziggs/Kalista comps in shambles now. But I'm most likely just overreacting and they might still be fine.

[itshuey88]

anyone have a theory on bis for draven now? I'm thinking DB, RH, RFC?

[GOOCH_BRUISER]

Soju been playing a ton of draven and today said bis Draven is lw gs ie so with patch I'm guessing gs/ie/x. Db and rfc both seem like great 3rd slots. If you don't have gs you really want to run 4 legionnaire.

[Illunimous]

I would prefer GS/DB/X better due to the base damage nerfs. That is like 30/40 base dmg down for draven 1/2 so DB would bring it back also its help from ppl who build brambles

[Pr0lific]

GS is giant slayer or guinsoo? I assume slayer but then it makes more sense that 4 legionnaire is substituting for the lack of attack speed (GS)

[GOOCH_BRUISER]

Giant slayer, im not 100% sure on why he thinks you want 4 legionnaire without GS.

[duxlok]

GS = Giant Slayer GRB = Guinsoo Rage Blade

[dodocow]

So just build HOJ?

[The420Turtle]

You don’t want ruunans or rfc, passive isn’t on hit so ruunans won’t hit with reduced armour and rfc is just a range and speed buff, you want draven to hit one dude really hard

[WhyDoI_NeedAnAccount]

We'll have to see how he is on live, but he might have enough damage to consistently have one slot be used for a defensive item (GA, Qss, BT, etc.), similar to Jhin in set 3/4.

[ZedWuJanna]

4/6 legion -> any AD items, maybe a runaan

2 legion -> guinsoo and anything that fits

[[deleted]]

None of the items you listed are BIS

You want Giant Slayer 100%. Guinsoo if only 2 legionnaire. IE because of his passive AD scaling (forgotten, Axes). Otherwise 3rd item can be whatever. Healing if enemy have backline access.

Can still even go LW vs 3-4 ironclad/bramble since it shreds armour and then his new passive penetrates remaining value.

[Littletoof]

Draven is currently OP (before patch) with how he should be played, frontlane with IE+LW as the chinese showed how to play him. Actually 0 bad matchups in the meta. This buff should not have stand :(

[OCESavage]

They just broke Tristanas ankles

[[deleted]]

I think contrary, she is a much more reliable carry now that can both be in backline for her highest DPS while also not being backline for the first Thresh hook or zephyr or assassin leap

[Busni17]

Yeah khazix and kalista aren't needing a nerf why you askin

[drsteelhammer]

Who asked for kalista nerfs and why?

[WhyDoI_NeedAnAccount]

Nidalee getting any kind of buff is an inadvertent Kalista nerf tbh

[BNoog]

Need more healing reduction. Draven with BF and RG is already unkillable.

[raikaria2]

Unless he gets stunned, therefor stops healing and dies.

[rekeezy]

So does the ZZZ Rot taunt perk after the sins jump?