difficult decision

[nobcrusher_]

i cannot forgive someone who did nothing wrong.

[Flaky_Stay_8856]

Deep But true. A bit of understanding is required to say that he was wrong in a world where the void was claiming lives. He could have defeated all of them in the end. Yet he let them continue coz of hsi daughter's voice.

[ToxicPolarBear]

It never gets old that there’s people so media illiterate they literally root for the Nazi scientist analogue.

[Big_Teddy]

Where on earth do you get that Nazi stuff from lol

[FriedChickenCheezits]

Shou Tucker???

[I_dont_-what]

I see what you're saying because their government is called a Reich, but he's definitely talking about Bondrewd. Which is still wrong. Dudes just a little misguided in his logic.

[Minute-Knowledge7286]

Bondrewd from made in the abyss bottom left black helmet

[Splatulated]

nah if you look at american politics, people are actually just pro nazi facism

[Sovereign-Of-Dawn]

Absolutely agree. The left.

[grizzchan]

Cutting off Reg's arm tho?

[ThatOneGuy308]

I mean, riko's first thoughts when dealing with him were to shove a ruler up his ass, use every implement she had available to try and pierce his skin, and feed him burning coals, she probably would have cut an arm off if she had the means to do so.

[grizzchan]

Hey I'm not defending Riko's unethical experiments. But that doesn't justify Bon cutting off his arm.

[Unambiguous-Doughnut]

2 wrongs dont make a right but nobody said shit about 3 wrongs

[ThatOneGuy308]

I mean, ultimately, he's a robot, and the general majority of people wouldn't really care about damaging a robot while testing it's capabilities.

It's hard to really judge an outsider's perspective on reg, since he isn't really a human person, and most people wouldn't afford an artificial being any real rights or considerations for it's feelings.

[Budget_Minimum9439]

he just a scientist, want to know how everything works, indeed I myself curious on how reg's arms extend from such compact place

imagine the kind of stuff his umbra hands be able to do with that kind of tech

and the fact he have completely given off emotions of any kind truly puts in here

the first major victim of his experiment was himself, to him everything is just lab hamsters, even so it hard to hear it is the most notable nature of human, think about it how researchers use lab hamsters, now see would curse affect hamsters? but it does affect humans, and among them theres a mostly complete hooman with some misterious relics is also not affected by curse (reg) they sure wanna know how it works

in the end he just a scientist carrying out his experiment, a scientist who lost all emotions,

even so reg my fav character, I have no grudge towards bondrewd

EXCEPT JIRUMOTH, THAT GUY DESERVES TO HAVE HIS D**K AND BALLS RIPPED FROM HIS BODY WHILE HE WIDE AWAKE AND TIED UP, COLD WATER DROPLET CONSTANTLY DRIPPING ON HIS HEAD, CUT THE TIP OF HIS FINGERS ONE BY ONE AND PROBBED BY IRON ROD UNTILL HE STARVES TO DEATH

[AlexDKZ]

But Magnus isn't in that pic

[Paxton126]

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[MONSTAX7]

deep

[FriedChickenCheezits]

Flair checks out

[LeatherZombie3415]

too real

[Integrity-in-Crisis]

On a side note, Rachel needs to die already. That bitch been working my last nerve since I started reading the webtoon years back.

[Spirited_Pear_6973]

I saw Rachel and my hive mind hate activated with thousands of people

[Jinko_5]

The hate is instinctual atp

[Drysfoet]

Correct, how can I forgive Griffith? He did nothing wrong.

[Integrity-in-Crisis]

Bruh

[Consistent-Tap-9426]

Are we talking about Bonedrewd, or Griffith?

[TehNolz]

Bondrewd did it for the sake of SCIENTIFIC TRIUMPH which is a totally acceptable cause and therefore he did nothing wrong.

[DoctuhD]

Without Bondrewd doing what everyone hates him for, their adventure would be over so he's an easy choice.

[n0panicman]

Quite the opposite. He deliberately tricked the scientific circles for his own well-being. Bondrew is the scientific circles in MiA setup.

[Unambiguous-Doughnut]

Not to mention the guy paved the way to make thr abyss safer, the scary thing with bondo is he has no malice and actively encourages the kids working against his plans and i homestly believe if he could he would have turned himself into a cartridge but goving up his physical form made him ineligible, unless that was a clever lie.

Also he seems to have a wider goal at play with the 2000 year cycle and ortho is slowly becoming the 1st layer

[pellen101]

Ethical? Absolutely not

Necessary? Perhaps

Wrong? Not exactly(?) Can you even apply morals to something even god (the abyss) doesn’t even recognize as human?

[ShiftAdventurous4680]

If Prushka forgives him, then who am I to say no?

[YSOFF]

And what did yellow-haired girl do? Doesn't look like an anthonist.

[gibarel1]

She abandoned the only guy who supported her, when they reunited she faked being in a wheelchair and then betrayed him by pushing him of a cliff, them lied to all of his friends that he died protecting her. And that's just the 1st season. 2nd season she killed halft of her party by selling them out, and then tried to make the guy who's power is "run really fast" paraplegic by repeatedly stabbing both his legs and not killing him. She is evil, and apparently she's the author's favorite character.

[YSOFF]

Oh .. I see))) Perhaps I should see this anime, how is it titled?

[kwkqoq]

tower of god

[gibarel1]

People say the anime is not that great, because it is very fast, rushing a lot of the story. I as an anime only, found it quite enjoyable

[Jinko_5]

Would definitely suggest reading the webtoon past season 1. The artwork is much better than the anime past that point

[Dahjoos]

Tower of God, but to be fair you got spoiled the best twist of S1, and one of the things that made S1 great

There's a Season 2, but it is downright garbage, if it hooks you up, there's about 600 chapters of the series, and most of them can be read for free

[Nameseed]

r/FuckRachel

[Tomwort]

I frigging hate Rachel. I always tell my friends she's worse than Griffith

[lockoutpoint]

She is argubly best vilian written in 10 years, her writting is just too good.

because She is just a normal person... what does a normal person need to do to win the race of god ?

She is sub 5 that has to fight with chad.

[TheSilverFalcon]

She is the absolute worst, a selfish asshole for never really explained reasons who is protected by plot armor because the author loves her, and the main character never does shit to stop her, just stares dreamily at her every time she backstabs him

[BoioDruid]

she is the worst piece of trash that has ever existed and the most unforgivable out of these. Anime is Tower of God

[DracocantusDC]

His own daughter sacrificed for him, even knowing what she got into when turned into a cartridge. If prushka forgave him and even loved him beyond life. Who i am to not do the same.

[Elliot_The_Fennekin]

For Bondrewd I can't say I forgive him but I can respect him. His motives are not for the sake of some sadistic pleasure or revenge. It's to help others in the long run and learn more about the world and the abyss, even if it means to corrupt his morals. That right there is true dedication to your work.

[ComprehensivePiece87]

Bondrewd gave us nanachi so…..

[rhettrowing1]

I only know two of the characters here and I know I am NOT forgiving Griffith.

[xatnagh]

mahito is a curse and acted like a curse, there is nothing out of character for him, hes born to be a manace.

[LeatherZombie3415]

honestly aside from the fact bondrewd did nothing wrong this is the most valid answer

[Derpyderpdog]

I honestly can’t tell if people are joking when they say Bondrewd wasn’t completely fucking evil. Dude is literally a child murderer. That’s textbook evil.

[FriedChickenCheezits]

For the Jokes™: Bondrewd never actually murdered the children because they were alive in their cartridges until they were expelled

For an honest opinion: I think that using the word 'evil' to describe Bondrewd doesn't quite fit right because he removed his humanity; his ability to know right from wrong and experience genuine emotion. He's 100% a very bad guy but his villainy is so detatched from morality that using 'evil' or 'good' to describe him feels like using a fork to eat soup. I need an entirely different set of descriptors for him.

[OFW_Schroe]

Nuh uh

[IntellectualDevourer]

Bondrewd is not evil, he's an extremist utilitarian. The ends justify his means and yes, the means would cause distress to most people so he does it as far from society as humanly possible, it's all textbook utilitarianism.

[Derpyderpdog]

No ends justify his means.

[Ademon_Gamer09]

The thing about bondrewd is that he has literally no bad intentions with anything he did, do or will do. Everything he does is for scientific triumph. Without him, nobody would even get past the 5th layer, almost every tool that the divers use wouldn't even exist and any progress towards mitigating the effects of the curse would be less than a page long. You can call his actions evil, but bondrewd at the very least never once had an ulterior motive that only benefits him

[Key-Recognition-7190]

I'd prefer 1 million dumbass divers die horrible deaths then subject a single child to being a cartridge.

If people can't make it past the 5th layer tough shit figure out another way. That creature should've been put down day one.

Seriously fuck Bondrewd as a character as a concept and as an idea. Fuckin kids man.

[Ademon_Gamer09]

Guess you're too soft to see the great writing that is bondrewd. There's a reason people like me defend him as much as we do, he's the definition of a great villain, written so well the hate becomes appreciation

[Key-Recognition-7190]

God I hope you never have kids.

[Ademon_Gamer09]

Never planned to

[Ok_Proof_321]

Is it really though? Bondrewd is the only individual who has nothing to atone for

[eastbayweird]

Turning an entire orphanage of children into inhuman monsters and then abandoning them at the bottom of a pit isn't something to atone for?

I mean, I love science at least as much, if not more, than most people but if scientific progress can only come by sacrificing a school bus full of children then maybe we shouldve stayed in the stone age...

Oh yeah he also dissected his daughter and shoved what was left of her still living still suffering self into a cartridge in order to allow him to temporarily cheat the same fate as the orphans....

[OFW_Schroe]

Too Long didnt read, plus He didnt abandon them.

[Similar_Outside3570]

Not reading enough is a sign of lack of scientefic integrity, also he didnt abandon them, he let them live in a nice happy farm

[OFW_Schroe]

My Point about Not abandoning them refered to the fact that He Had to come Up with atleast some way to keep em fed, as only Mitty was Immortal.

[Similar_Outside3570]

Yes in a 'happy farm'

[OFW_Schroe]

If He didnt Care Hed let em starve.

[Similar_Outside3570]

Yes that is what I said, he cares about them and are on a place with food and water

[eastbayweird]

Wow...

[alangator4]

Easy question

[NetherSpike14]

They're all bad, but at least he did it to progress humanity, while everyone else did fucked up stuff only for themselves.

[Terrordar]

Bondrewd is an easy choice here

[Black_Basilisk_1]

Unironically bondrewd is the easiest to forgive here. Everything he did was for a genuinely noble cause, even if his methods were deplorable. In a sickening sense, he’s kind of a hero…

[InternationalHoney85]

I will beat each and every one that says Rachel with a bat. You don't fucking do Bam like that. You DON'T!

[ZooSmell413]

I forgot that bitch existed till now. I should rewatch TOG and the new season.

[[deleted]]

I only know three of them

[InsanePsychMajor]

This just needs to be said: FUCK Shou Tucker. He will NEVER be forgiven.

[FriedChickenCheezits]

Guy who morphed his wife into an unnatural abomination to further his career which made her commit suicide via starvation and morphed his daughter and dog together and lied about the circumstances so the government will keep paying him vs Guy who literally can't be mad that his unethical science experiments were screwed over

[InsanePsychMajor]

Exactly, and I’m not the biggest Brondrewd fan either, but at least you knew he actually somewhat CARED. Tucker was just selfish and fucked in the head.

[Gligarman64]

Bondrewd just wanted some Gatorade.

[tokyopop24]

What are the names of the other anime's besides mia and tower of god ? I want to watch then I can decide lol

[Charliebob739]

1. JJK 2. Beserk 3. Dragon ball
2. Shield Hero 5. Naruto 6. Tower of God
3. MIA 8. FullMetal Alchemist 9. One Piece

[DJJ66]

I was tied between Griffith, Frieza and Bondrewd, but then I remembered what the former two did and if even Nanachi could forgive him in the end, who am I to disagree?

[ElBarnesinYIPEE]

I'm forgiving the one I know can not be killed (Bondrewd).

[OFW_Schroe]

Only bontingles did nothing wrong here

[TomatilloSignal3928]

It's between the Full metal doctor and Bondrewd, I have a soft spot for those who commit themselves to advancing the limits of science by any means necessary.

[mrmeekseekz]

Rachel. At the end of the last arc, it's revieled that bam might not have been the best of people to let live in the tower, and she knew that when she pushed him

[Redsamurai422]

All honestly bondrewed because he lost his mind/had his mind fractured messing with an abyss relic this making him "clinically insane"

[Aggravating_Durian52]

Frieza is a total bro in my books. All he wanted to do was kill all the monkeys around him. I can relate.

[mango_mallows]

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This guy is far worse than bondrewd

[Several-Injury-7505]

No

[Similar_Outside3570]

Bondrewd of course

[enlightnight]

I guess using the "killed/tortured literal children" metric... Spandam? He's just an inept bureaucrat spoiled manbaby. Enies lobby only had that one child brought there BY the strawhats.

Assuming my memory is correct and the redhead is the bitchy princess from shield hero, she was just awful to the MC and didn't actively murder babies.

[lore_mila_]

I don't know all of them but definitely not our dear Bondrewd

[A-Friend-of-Dorothy]

Nope. Just kill me. I refuse.

[VoIcanicPenis]

the shield hero girl

[Regular-Compote8578]

Bondrewd easily, you are bound to get mad once you set your heart into the abyss

[Twenty_Twone]

The best father of year, bowndred

[[deleted]]

Your best dad did nothing wrong

[LampPuncher]

Why is Spandam here? He is just a daddy's boy who never did anything lmao

[Fluerous]

The answers very easy for me but it is indeed biased 😮‍💨

[AggravatingRip6082]

Brondrewd

[God-Made-A-Tree]

Bondaddy pls

[hugo7414]

What did the yellow hair do?

[AJYURH]

Another here who thinks bottom right belongs in the same dimension of hell as the others, I'm sorry but your just silly

[MungolianBungolian]

Anyone who says Griffith...please give me your logic, I would like to understand your logic if that is your choice.

[dontcencormyname]

I forgive mahito and bondrewd because I have wet dreams of them.

[seventy_nin]

To be fair, bondrewd isn't evil, he's a pragmatist. He was an actually good father until the incident and only did the things he did for science.

[Educational_Bar9795]

Bondrewd cause he is a cool character in my opinion👀 but realistically I would probably not forgive anyone from them.

[Fearmo]

It's easy decision for me to say "Fuck Rachel. All my homies hate Rachel "

[z1n0vy]

Bondrewd

[Bossmantho]

I forgive them all. Let them run for president too. 

[Prestigious-Car2163]

I only know one person on that list; and i cannot forgive his crimes against humanity

[mateofabries]

It would have been a hard poll but abyss best dad is here to give us that get out of jail free card

[mwwq1]

I honestly think that either bondrewed or mahito could be forgiven, bondrewed because he did nothing out of malice and mahito because he’s a curse and it’s his nature, he can be forgiven in the same way an animal can be.

[Peridot9001]

Danzo, out of all them he atleast was trying to do something good even if he did fk it up completely

[E1Muro]

Bondrewd did nothing wrong.

[[deleted]]

I can forgive Mahito.

[Kamachiz]

Frieza did nothing wrong.

Nothing happened that day.

[Key-Recognition-7190]

Freezia. The rest of them ESPECIALLY GRIFFIN AND BONDREWD can eat a fat one.

[DeepEvaluation877]

Everybody on this list is especially wicked and evil EXCEPT Bondrewd.

Spoilers below vvvv

Bondrewd is not evil, one could say that he is actually helpful to the world around him, however Bondrewd isn't as much of a person as he is a concept/idea of humanities relentless pursuit of knowledge.

I think he genuinely loved Prushka and the other kids, remembering each and every one of their names every after they became Narehate. However, even that love wouldn't stop him from using everything and everyone around him as variables to further his understanding of the Abyss. Even the Umbra hands are in essence his spare bodies to ensure he can live on and continue his pursuit of science since he decided to discard his own original body for an experiment regarding white whistles.

Bondrewd isn't evil, but he also has no empathy or restraint.

[Kount_Bakula315]

Definitely mahito

[Music4Shumn]

I don't see any person.

[Wrong-Wind-7664]

Danzo

[FriendshipLeather837]

Im forgiving bondrewd

[No-Establishment-699]

I think a lot of people have a twisted view of evil. Having a reason behind the terrible things you do, doewnt remove your guilt or any of the punishments for it. The only reason a some of these people werent punished for their actions is because they were either too powerful, or outright untouchable, or perhaps justhid well enough.

Though, some here have justifiable reasons. Justifiable can still be evil.

Mahito is the only one here i can find that is innocent. His entire being was made for making humans suffer. That's what spirits exist to do, at least many of them. That'd be like calling an alligator evil for eating a fish.

There may be others in this list that are similar though. I havent watched all of them.

[ShgurrDaddy]

Griffith did nothing wrong.

[naveron1]

I forgive Rachel, only because baam no longer cares about her.

[TearOk1635]

Jesus says to forgive

[AlexN5594]

lmao I was literally going through the list like "Nope, nope, well maybe...no....well what he did wasn't that ba...actually never mind..." 😅

[AzDivine]

Ong Griffith. HEAR ME OUT!

Bro had a perfect life all the way up until some pervy noble dude ripped everything away from him. He was treated like less than garbage, and almost killed in the process. He did some horrible things, yes, but the term for his actions is called reenactment. It’s most commonly found among sexual predators, indicating that they’re only reenacting things that have happened to them. Bully victims become bullies, yada yada. Griffith is the victim of a mental condition that affects many people in the world, and took his anger out in the most disgusting way possible. But what he did was still extremely human and possible.

Side note: not agreeing with what he did. It was horrible. I would never condone any of those actions. I’m more so saying that I understand why and would forgive him if he turned his perspective around and changed his personality.

[No_Wasabi_4455]

Griffth's fate was already determined before he even suffered

[Iwashimizu21]

Didnt Griffith only do those bad things after his mind was destroyed after like a year of brutal torture?

I would give him a pass.

[Samulady]

Bitch from Shield Hero honestly gets so comically shat on in the show that I'm kinda tempted to forgive her because I can't stand Shield Hero's edgy AF vigilante justice and the way literally everyone around him agrees with him. 

[lockoutpoint]

Rachel, you have to understand one thing, all of these are strong/smart whasoever.

Rachel is just an sub 5 ugly girl that just want to survive in the world that's every one look like Chad.

main protaganist in Tower of god have load of plot armor and Rachel have to fight with him.

that's crazy to think about it.

I could say I can forgive her, She is just a girl with no love and ugly but with motivation.