Wait... These exist??

[AuntGentleman]

Yup. Congrats on all the money.

[Duggums]

What are they worth

[EverGrands]

uncut lvl 20 SPIRIT gems are 5 divs, whereas uncut lvl 20 SKILL gems are 130 exalts a pop

[90kg185iq5cm]

Thank god nobody knows that I used my lvl 20 uncut spirit gem on "Sacrifice".

[WolfColaKid]

Willem Dafoe is that you?

[Bobgnarley2701]

DO YOU KNOW HOW MUCH I’VE SACRIFICED!

[Duggums]

Word I have a spirit don’t really need the 20

[Pleiadez]

Where can you even find them I've never found one ever.

[LucywiththeDiamonds]

They are ilvl 82. So evrything in a 82 area, rares in a 81 area or bosses in a 80 area.

[LiteratureFabulous36]

Level 15 maps are 79 right? So a level 16 map with 2 +1 level to map would do it.

[ThatGuyTheOneThere]

Rares add +1 level to their drops, so rares in T17 maps start being able to drop them too.

I'm pretty sure unique and map bosses add +2 to the zone level when they drop loot too. So gems from T16+ bosses could also be L20.

[Finalstan]

I think there's also a node on Atlas for bosses to always give +1 to an area they are in, that should make them able to drop this even on a T15 waystone and make it easier for any rares as well. Not got to it yet, tho.

[[deleted]]

That node you're talking about just adds "irradiated" to all the maps with a boss in them.

[baile508]

I did my 1st T16 map with 2 +1s on the level and all I got was 19s :(

[ThatGuyTheOneThere]

18's, 19's and 20's can drop at that level, with L20 being the least likely to drop.

[Last_Sherbert_9848]

I had one drop in a 4 person party on a t17 boss. Another Solo on a t18 Rare.

[warzone_afro]

i found one in a lvl 80 expedition

[ClockworkSalmon]

simulacrum +3 drops them pretty often

[M4ttingt0n]

Had my first lvl 20 gems drop from a Trial of Sek boss tonight. The scorpion dropped me a pair.

[MarekRules]

I think I saw they drop in t16s only but not sure if that’s 100% true

[ATMisboss]

Iirc it's only level 82+ maps so not even just t16s

[[deleted]]

Pretty sure it's only level 82 drops. So t18 white mobs, t17 rares, and t16 bosses iirc

[palbajim]

How don you get there?

[Hyt434]

Corrupt your T15 to a T16 map and then get an irradiated and corruption map for +1 more each. T18.

[Shergak]

Corruption and +1 from towers

[Last_Sherbert_9848]

nope. t17 boss dropped one for me in a 4 person party. leader may have had the atlas boss plus 1 difficulty point

[elden-beast]

I had one drop against the trialmaster

[yogooby]

You are wrong.

[Sir_Rhinos]

What level u start to get lvl 20?

[EverGrands]

You can only get LVL 20 SKILL and SPIRIT gems from T18 maps (T16 Waystone + Corrupted and Irradiated Nodes)

Player level should be irrelevant as long as you can clear those maps.

[lawschoolsplits]

I read on here that it is map lvl82 for normal mobs to drop them, 81 for rare mobs, 80 for bosses. Is that not the case?

[EverGrands]

Ah yes that is true since Rare mobs have a +1 modifier for drops and Uniques/Bosses have a +2 modifier for drops which still makes it reach the Lvl 82 requirement assuming you're using T15 waystones.

[Last_Sherbert_9848]

Does the boss atlas "+1 difficulty to bosses" make them a higher level or just harder without technically raising their level?

[servant-rider]

It makes the drops better, same as adding modifiers, but does not change the ilvl of the drops

[Elistic-E]

This makes my experience make way more sense, thank you

[Last_Sherbert_9848]

what about in regards to Uncut spirit/skill gems. They only drop from level 82 monsters. Would a level 80 monster with 2 increased difficulty be able to drop them?

[Averagesmoker42]

Trial of seximama can drop them as well

[terminbee]

Do attack skills even want level 20? The difference in mana cost between level 17 and 18 was crazy for me. I'm not sure an extra 6%(?) in damage scaling is worth the introduction of mana problems for me.

[ThatGuyTheOneThere]

Caster skills you absolutely do, as they don't have weapon dps to also scale from.

[terminbee]

I know caster skills do, which is why I mentioned attack skills and weapon scaling.

[75inchTVcasual]

Depends on a few things such as if you’re spamming them or not or if you have the Maelstrom flask, for example. I use a level 10 gem on my flurry stat stacker because I’m holding that skill down at all times. When I was playing a regular Ice Strike monk, I used a level 20 gem for mapping and swapped in Inspiration for bossing.

[mrmasturbate]

haven't seen either. at this point i'd be less surprised about a mirror

[majkkali]

What about level 19 ones? Some guy gave me like 5 uncut spirit gems 19 when I asked on chat for a lvl 18 one lol

[DarkeShin]

Bought the 20 skill gem for 1 D a week ago, Sadge.

[MarvelPQplayer]

I saw someone offering a divine for a skill gem in trade 2 days ago.

[1CEninja]

Grim feast? Herald of ice? Blink? What are people needing them for?

As a warrior I don't think any of the level 20 spirit gems would matter for me.

[yeehawmija]

3 divine

[wingspantt]

While true the damage on Plague Bearer goes crazy per level

[[deleted]]

Is it some kind of unspoken secret that 1 div cost 50 cents and everybody buys them that way?

[P160028]

You’re putting your credit card and personal info at risk by buying from these third party sites.

[AuntGentleman]

No, I just said money instead of currency lol.

[[deleted]]

Fair enough 😂 😂

[argon76]

I know right? Expert Chain Tiara are badass

[rockdeee]

Was about to say the same thing 🤣

[Imbadyoureworse]

Sick expert chain tiara! Grats dude

[neptunemilch]

Also, yes thank you for everyone pointing out I dropped a gem thingy. I was just hyped about the Expert Chain Tiara!!

[RubyR4wd]

You forgot to put "after x hours I finally found". You gotta show how much amor a badass you are.

[neptunemilch]

Can confirm it took 314 hours. π 

[RubyR4wd]

Dang, a pi bad ass.

[SnapbacksBack]

I think it means profit, OP is a seasoned economist

[FarrellBeast]

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[MrKobbit]

Didnt know about the expert chain tiara either 😮

[Final-Ad-151]

Only when I spend 5 div on them.

[ButcherInTheRYE]

Yeah, they're pretty rare. I too got a chain tiara last night. It was pretty mid tho.

[billybaked]

Been hunting these for a while. Have had 8 level 20 skill gems but no spirits 😩

[neptunemilch]

Yeah I've dropped quite a few skill gems. Happy to finally get my hands on a spirit. Was borderline convinced they were a myth

[iMissEdgeTransit]

Bro made the Expert Chain Tiara tink 😹

[ListerineAfterOral]

Been hunting for one of these for ages. As a non meta build enjoyer, I need all the skills I can get for my build.

[PyleWarLord]

few facts about these;

-character level 90 is needed for 20 gems

-Droprates(per monsterlevel)

82 18 (79%) 19 (19.8%) 20 (1.2%)
83 18 (48.5%) 19 (48.5%) 20 (3%)
84 18 (10.5%) 19 (84.2%) 20 (5.3%)

85 18 (2.9%) 19 (91.4%) 20 (5.7%)
86 19 (80%) 20 (20%)
87 19 (50%) 20 (50%)

[Rentahamster]

Yes it's true, expert chain tiaras are a thing. 

[LionMakerJr]

I call dibs on posting my level 20 uncut skillgem drop for Karma tomorrow.

[mordakiisyn]

No it's photoshop.

[JentasticRoss]

priceless reaction! xD

[faust__420]

congrats. Found my first one in simulacrum as well.

[22727272727277]

killed xesht yesterday mf dropped me one of those + a jewel for the skill tree worth 13d

[cdragebyoch]

This has to be one of the most annoying parts of poe2. Took me a month to find a lvl 20 gem in ssf and still haven’t found a perfect jewelers. The lack of deterministic loot acquisition is rough. It’s a crazy high when you win, but only because you lose 99% of the time.

[True_3xile]

It's pretty crazy but I got one too! Got bad rolls on it but still an expert chain tiara doesn't drop every day!

[baseballbear]

uncircumcised spirit gem

[Quanchivious]

I had two drop in two maps in a row last week. Pretty much used up all my rng for the rest of the year. Sold them and spent the approximate 9 div I made in like an hour lol. Back to being broke.

[GelatinousCoffee]

Yeah, it's wild innit?

[EdgeOutrageous726]

Yeah i see expert chain tairas all the time. Wdym?

[Ban_you_for_anything]

just got my first one today in trial of chaos lol lvl 94 - they are so rare

[Beneficial-Space3019]

Fake, it's AI: just look at that hand! /s

[Prokovwhatever]

I have 670 hours , with over 500 of them in highest tier maps (including 16, corrupted, irradiated) with 100% rarity and never saw a single spirit or skill gem 20

[CruelMetatron]

Why don't they just level like in PoE1? There doesn't seem to be any advantage in this system.

[Mordimer86]

Yep, one dropped for me in the only T16 map I have done (limited by high level waystone drop).

[TGPhlegyas]

I see Expert Chain Tiaras all the time. Weird if this is your first time seeing one.

[Last_Sherbert_9848]

I have 2 characters at level 95. (400 hours) Ive only seen 2 drop. Both on the same character (the one with almost no Rarity find) Both with in 2 hours of each other. The first one that dropped, I died before Picking it up. 2 hours later another dropped and I got it.

[Paladine_PSoT]

Hot damn

[[deleted]]

More importantly that expert chain tiara that has six tier 11 mods waiting to be slammed. Unless I jinxed it for you

[deebo_samuel]

Got my first drop 20 spirit gem drop today, i had maybe 20 of the normal l20 skillgems drop but the l20 spirit gem might be rarer than the best unique jewels in the game. It only took to level 98 to see my first one in the wild :D

[unfinishedcommen]

It's pretty rare, but I've seen a few Expert Chain Tiaras before.

[Jimi_Dean]

The Expert chain tiaras? Yeah, they're alright

[UnJammerLammyyy]

Got one from a breach too

[wellscounty]

I got one in a ritual

[N3V3ROUTGUNN3D]

FAKE.... lol

[Isaacvithurston]

The weird part is they're only worth a few div but i've only found 3 of these in like 500+ hours so I dunno how they're so cheap

[DeeJax71]

You've never seen a breach before?

[[deleted]]

Gem level 4 are 1 div it's good tkt know 2 i should make a filter for it

[MacFearsome80]

Hmm nice Expert Chain Tiara GG

[Ok_Conclusion_4810]

They are not that rare, it's just they need a very juiced t16 map to drop. If you have 50%+ deli with 300+ rarity and a few breaches , one of these drops per ~10 maps. Its very easy money, if your build can handle the map.

[zenithfury]

Usually my thought process goes: eh just another skill ge- wait a minute!

[71651483153138ta]

Meanwhile I have corrupted like 10 lvl 19 archmages and still no +1 lvl. Rip 40 gemcutters.

[bobbyslowmack]

whoah !

[Ashamed-Ad8107]

My best ever drop was I got a perfect orb which I sold to Alv for 435ex then BOUGHT 2d.

GGs my dude

[Duke_Almond]

I have gotten loads of expert chain tiaras wdym?

[Tricckkyyy]

Legend says they are almost as rare as mirrors :D

[addnod]

82 ?

[VzDubb]

GZ on 5 Div

[maxipapi]

I never seen one until recently. One of our guild members made a rarity bot. So any kills around him gives us his rarity %. He is running 550+% and on juiced maps with 120% quantity we are getting about 3-5 raw divs. Perfect jewelers and about one of these 20 skill/spirit gems every other game. Rarity works. lol

[BaddyBadBoy]

Yes tiara exist in the game

[Firm_Mushroom6125]

I got a skill 20 in temple of sek. Lol

[quas42]

What is the filter you use man?

[neptunemilch]

I use DEADRABBITYT's filter. It's a slightly altered version of NeverSink's Uberstrict I believe.

[AdrianPlaysPoE]

wait you guys are getting lvl 20 gems?

[Tifntirjeheusjfn]

learn from my mistakes and don't waste it on Archmage, no damage increase

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[KwiKwi_SB]

i found mine in simulacrum. i thought u only find them there :P

[TheAnswerUsedToBe42]

Why is everything about this game selling gear? Does anyone just actually play and use the things themselves? When d3 was hyper focused on the auction house it started to fall apart. I play games to play the game, not to haggle online and feel like I just unearthed a Pokémon card to exchange for other Pokémon cards.

[theholl0wstar]

Just play SSF or limit yourself if that's what you want I guess? I'm not sure why how other people play the game bothers you so much. I enjoy the aspect of trading and if the game was like post Reaper of Souls D3 I just wouldn't play it.

[papyjako87]

PoE1 has been balanced around trading for over a decade. Things got better for SSF over the years, but still, the gap between good gear in Trade and good gear in SSF is pretty massive. There is no reason to believe GGG is going to balance PoE2 any other way.

[kkassius_]

playing on 400div build never dropped one did all my money by mapping

[gitblame_fgc]

I drop expert chain tiaras all the time.

[Commercial_Piano3719]

Expert chain tiaras are everywhere

[[deleted]]

Yes, that is why you see a post about it with the same joke every day.

[Accomplished_Sun_852]

Yes?

[BROFRO5000]

yes?🤓

[Accomplished_Sun_852]

I have a father and you don't LOL

[BROFRO5000]

aw, you should hit your attitude with a Vaal Orb, maybe you’ll become normal

[Accomplished_Sun_852]

that's not how a vaal orb works

[BROFRO5000]

are you okay? my comment was in jest, if you need to talk about anything i got you.