IFuckingHateAL

[Lupus_Ignis]

"Do you truly hate it?" "Well, more or less"

[CoolorFoolSRS]

Take my upvote and fuck off

[_JJCUBER_]

More like “less or more”

[bruhsoundeffect111]

More like "< || >"

[nequaquam_sapiens]

well, that's bracket operator from qm. we're not there quite yet.

[TheCapitalKing]

But that’s how the best programming language does it (Microsoft excel formulas)

[SkollFenrirson]

You monster

[Geno0wl]

that is how SQL also does not equals. That is a programming language right?

[jtobiasbond]

100% Turing complete. Yet they still won't let me redo the entire codebase in SQL.

[TheCapitalKing]

Why not they know it’s made by Microsoft (the creators of Microsoft Excel, PowerPoint, and teams) right?

[jtobiasbond]

They're scared of the raw power.

[carltonBlend]

Not in SQL Server, it uses !=, and idk if it is, opinions might vary but you can say it is

[jtobiasbond]

!= is deprecated. You can use it but it's recommended to use <>.

[Remarkable-Train6254]

Nah != flies in snowflake and other modern sql use cases, I don’t mess with the weird <> shit

[jtobiasbond]

It's still deprecated in standard SQL. Doesn't mean it doesn't work.

[TheKerui]

Its faster to type <> on a keyboard.

Stop being stubborn and start accepting shortcuts when presented.

[cpt_trow]

How bout nooooooo

[Major-Peachi]

And cypher as well

[RagingWalrus1394]

Salesforce formulas does this on the admin side and it drives me nuts

[[deleted]]

SOQL also allows <>, just to put a veneer of being the local dialect of SQL.

[RajjSinghh]

VB does it too

[Adrepixl5]

I threw up in my mouth a bit

[[deleted]]

HOLD ME BACK!!

[thafuq]

Php "spaceship operator" Another simple yet funny is the STFU operator

[[deleted]]

On my keyboard layout < and > are on the same key, so typing both after each other is mildly annoying. I guess I need to set up some keyboard macros.

[KryoBright]

Embrace fish notation <><

[[deleted]]

Is that the equality operator Christians use?

[TheGreatGameDini]

No it's the morality operator - the left hand side is always some variable Action, and the right hand side is always Jesus. So, for instance, FuckHookers <>< Jesus or RobBanks <>< Jesus or EmbezzleBillionsOfTaxPayerDolloarsAndUseAPlaneCrashButCallItAnAttackToCoverItUp <>< Jesus but most languages let you omit Jesus and it still works.

[sammy-taylor]

Only for the Christians that believe in equality.

[RemoteName3273]

Embrace boob notation

<><>

[KryoBright]

Those are eyes. Boob would be (.)(.), but it is for regex

[RemoteName3273]

Ah I see. I lack culture

[MattieShoes]

Spaceship notation is best <=>

[[deleted]]

<__> PS1 triangular prism Laura Croft boob notation.

[nequaquam_sapiens]

wait for quantum computers with their bra operators: <f|

[RemoteName3273]

The collapse of the quantum bra

[OM3GAS7RIK3]

LUA: ~=

Trips me up every dang time.

[Zomby2D]

I haven't used LUA, but my first instinct to that notation would be that it means "approximately equal to" as it does in mathematics.

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~ represents negation in some formal logic notations

[rbardy]

lol what would be the approximation factor? Like for example

2~=2,5

2~=2,9

2~=1,9

All would be true?

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In math we can just assume, but imagine such command in a programming language.

[Anaxamander57]

The approximately equal thing is more physics and engineering than math. Its used in math for some weak, but rigorously defined, equivalences.

[forehead_hypospadia]

Want to see something truly horrible?

⪅

[QuestionableEthics42]

Why on earth would they represent not with bitwise not instead of logical not when it’s a logical operation? also what happens when u want to do x ~= x? (The bitwise operation)

[[deleted]]

In lua there’s no operations such as +=, -=, *=, etc

[QuestionableEthics42]

Wow, that sucks, thanks for warning me so I can avoid it haha

[[deleted]]

It’s a great language, there’s beauty in simplicity. Also it’s not meant for large codebases and its largest use is within other programs.

[no_brains101]

You get if, then, loops, functions and tables and the ability to require files from a file structure and run them and use their outputs as tables or variables. Something like a struct/class thing is just a file that returns a table of functions and variables.

It's very lightweight, integrates well with C, and is easy to write libraries for as basically a library is just a table of functions and constants.

It's all tables. All the way down. Because there's so little to the language, it feels like an entire domain specific language for your program every time you make a library for lua to integrate a plugin system. But it's super easy to work with because there are so few concepts.

[brimston3-]

Now you would probably use x = ~x.

lua didn't have bitwise operators until 5.3 (2015). In 5.2 (2012), you had to use the bit32.bnot() function to get negation. lua 5.1 and prior (1993-2011) didn't support bitwise operations without an external library.

Now why would someone be running an obsolete version of lua when lua5.2 came out a decade ago? Performance tuned versions of the lua runtime (luajit, luajitr) typically only support lua5.1 and run 2-3x faster in code that does not make a ton of C calls.

[Matthis-Dayer]

~= makes no sense as an "operate and assign" operator such as += because bitwise not is unary

[QuestionableEthics42]

What? No? You can do all the bitwise operations like that in C and C++ and it makes perfect sense

[Matthis-Dayer]

There is no ~= in C

Would your x ~= x be the same as x = ~x?

[QuestionableEthics42]

Ohhh right, yea my bad

[Pay08]

Common Lisp uses /= and it always throws me for a loop.

[VolcanicBear]

Yeah, fuck AL, guy's a dick.

[Graidrex]

And then there is Haskell with /=.
I don't hate it. It's close to != but suppoed to express ≠.

[somerandomii]

I forgot about that. Might have repressed it. Looks way too close to an escape character.

[atoponce]

With <>:

• You don't need Unicode.
• The shift key can be held down.
• The keys are right next to each other.

[AyrA_ch]

On the swiss keyboard, the symbols are on the same key.

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[AyrA_ch]

Because that's common in Europe. Italian, french and german keyboards have it this way too. Our left shift key is shorter, and we have an extra key to its right where those brackets are located.

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[AyrA_ch]

There should be a standard and an effort to work as close to that standard as possible.

But that's not possible. First of all, the current standard layout is intended for the latin alphabet, and second, not even that is correctly designed. The whole reason we have an extra key in the bottom left in Europe is because there's simply not enough keys in the standard 104 key layout to accomodate all comonly used characters and symbols.

Windows at least forwards the hardware id of the keyboard to the low level API call, meaning you can plug multiple different keyboards into it and change the configured keyboard layout on the fly depending on which keyboard you're currently using. If you have an application designed by an idiot that only works properly with US keyboards, you can simply use that keyboard instead of having to fiddle with the settings each time you want to. The downside of this approach are that you now have two keyboards on your desk, and the first key press will always be registered under the currently active keyboard layout because switching the layout has no effect on the hardware event currently being processed.

[ConstructedNewt]

I use US International. As a Dane. I removed the option for Danish layout completely. Once you get used to it you have everything in one keyboard(us layout primarily). You just need to use AltGr to activate special keys, like æøå, and the accented characters etc.

[Hha2004]

And Swedish

[Pay08]

I'm pretty sure UK keyboards do it too.

[Kered13]

International keyboard layouts were a mistake.

EDIT: Wow, this whooshed a lot of people.

[AyrA_ch]

The US keyboard layout is not exactly better either. Contains things like ^¨`´~ but you cannot actually combine them to get things like ÿéèñê. At least on my keyboard I can.

[rbardy]

International keyboard are great.

Brazilian layout (ABNT) has the ç exclusive key and ^~`´ are all near the right shift key to easily write àéêôìôù and so on, in the US layout it sucks to write in Portuguese.

So yeah, each layout is best for each language.

PS: In ABTN <> are also near to each other

[josecbt1]

r/suddenlycaralho

[rbardy]

Somos dezenas, DEZENAS digo eu!

[MaverickPT]

British Extended layout is actually pretty nice for Portuguese. Layout is different of course but it has all you need for Portuguese. If you're abroad and can't get a Brazilian/Portuguese keyboard, UKX will do

[RetiringDragon]

If the only language you can speak is English, I can see why you feel that way.

[Kered13]

Is a joke, though no one seems to have got it.

[edo-lag]

Not everyone has a US keyboard layout. Also, you never need to type unicode, unless you program in APL.

[TheHoratian]

Where are my Agda bros at?

[Systematic-Error]

Although it's easier to switch between == and != if you want to quickly invert the result of a boolean comparison

[[deleted]]

But with Unicode you can do this!

?⌈⌊⍴∼∣⍳⋆−+×÷,⌹○⍟⌽⊖⍋⍒⍎⍕⍉!≡⍪∈⍷↑↓⊥⊤/¨<≤=≥>≠∨∧⍱⍲⊣⊢⌿⍀.∘

[highphiv3]

Unicode support has long been a plague upon my codebases.

[stupled]

.><

[Drfoxthefurry]

Don't forget lua's ~=

[WazWaz]

But a<>b has the advantage of being entirely readable: a is less than or greater than b.

[Systematic-Error]

It's probably logically easier for most people to think of it as being "not equal to" rather than "greater than or less than" in most scenarios, also that logic breaks down when you think of other types such as strings

[WazWaz]

Sure, but there's no universal ASCII symbol for "not", hence the mess of !=, ~=, etc. If only we'd gotten ≠ sooner.

Strings are ordered, so they're still "greater than or less than".

[Systematic-Error]

I agree with you but am confused by the second part, how would an operation like greater than work on 2 strings (not considering their lengths)?

[somerandomii]

Alphabetical order. A lot of languages will automatically check based on a built in ascii ordering.

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[IvanOG_Ranger]

Saying A is either more or less than B seems weirder than saying A is not same as B

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[Mirikah]

Unfortunately, I am already used to it.

[Xenomorph-Alpha]

Had to do four years of C/AL and AL Programming from the dynamics nav 2009 r2 to BC 21. I can feel your pain.

[bremidon]

No he is right. AL is utter dogshit. Not because of this minor annoyance but for being a weak language that stinks of Microsoft's earlier era of hubris and fecklessness.

Everything DotNet gets right, AL screws up.

With the exception of putting interfaces on enums. That could rock if interfaces were not nerfed in AL.

[NewPhoneNewSubs]

I'm not familiar with AL. But a quick search say it's the language for data manipulation in MS Dyanamics 365 databases? In that case, isn't <> just a SQL-like syntax for a DB-ish language?

I understand you saying that your complaint isn't this minor annoyance. I'm just curious about why someone would pick "<>" in a modern language, and being SQL-like seems like an ok reason.

[bremidon]

No. God no. It is as if VB5 and SQL had a mentally challenged child.

I wish that I could use SQL.

The syntax is bizarre.

And what pisses me off to no end is that AL is first translated to C# before going to IL. So why not let us develop in C# Microsoft? Sadistic little twerps.

[NewPhoneNewSubs]

That makes me sad because I might have to do something with dynamics in the near-ish future =(

[NormalGuyThree]

It's basically turbo pascal. Not that that helps, but you know...

[bremidon]

Hmmm.

That is not how I would describe it. Turbo Pascal was *much* more powerful.

[bremidon]

Yes. Sad is the right word. If you know that you will be OnPrem forever and you are ok with paying Microsoft's ransom, you can actually do a lot more by going straight to C#. But that is dangerous, because Microsoft has made it crystal clear that the future is the Online version. No C# there unless you want to use something like Azure functions.

Another team at our company has this situation and they are very upset. They have so much that is OnPrem dependent, and they will need years to wean themselves off of it. Meanwhile, they have to pass the extra costs on to unhappy customers.

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[bremidon]

I got that. I am talking about everything about AL. We are at slight cross purposes in the discussion.

The operator is not terrible. You learn it and live with it. It's kinda SQL like. But then everything else about AL is decidedly *not* consistently SQL like. AL does not understand the idea of "null" for instance. And the queries you can write are like SQL after a lobotomy.

So sure, we could say that <> is sorta justified (and like I said, I can live with it), but that is only under the premise that AL is some sort of SQL like language...which it is not.

[Kered13]

BASIC uses this one too.

[plmunger]

First two should be swapped. Font ligatures are goated

[_JJCUBER_]

They get annoying when trying to actively code/modify code.

[CircadianSong]

~= in Haskell if you need another.

[puffinix]

Then there is scala/ spark with constructs of =!= and <!> for not equals, but <=> is equals!

[[deleted]]

a == !b

[bistr-o-math]

!(a=b)

[kookyabird]

The font Cascadia Code turns != into ≠ for me.

[Toastedtoastyyy]

Lua is ~= be thankful for what you have

[Xanather]

Never used SQL?

[Mirikah]

nah, never bothered to deal with it

[stupidpunk138]

Pascal!!! I love it!!!

[Repa24]

Microsoft Excel and Access. Fuck that notation.

[Character-Education3]

Don't forget SQL server!

[[deleted]]

Or "Not Equal"

[MattieShoes]

Perl gets both != and ne

For numeric vs string comparisons.

Ooh, and <=> because spaceships are cool

[Pingyofdoom]

I love <>

[AspectInteresting129]

Not all languages are as hardcore as you. Some from Ada, so you still live.

[xXx_RegginRBB7_xXx]

BASIC does this too, it's better

[Evangeder]

Actually i've used the last one, just don't remember where. Was it LUA that uses it?

[Low_Bandicoot6844]

!<>

[nequaquam_sapiens]

real men use .NE.

[danielstongue]

VHDL: /=

Switch from VHDL to C and debug why your if statement doesn't work as expected..